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like tabletop games. I like Manna games, I even like social gains. Sociological games, that's that's true. Oh we went through a phase, is well behind the curtain, suffer or listeners you and I went through a phase where we pretty much stuff body language too, to the point of view We read people fairly effectively, I would say- and I thought it for a long time do. Then. This is still behind the curtain. Don't go to but then showed me a book I thought it really hard. I didn't want to read it. I thought he was evil. My gosh. I forgot about a year. Then I ended up looking a little more in and it's it's pretty that is one of those things you can't on no yeah yeah. It's true but the reason that I ask you about games.

Because I knew I love them. He said social games, but leads me to my next question, which is: do you think that empires can coexist well, I guess it depends on how large you want you, empire to be, and if your empire truly is an empire. I guess if they, and in so far enough away sure should again ok you have but one continent over here, there's there's one empire there, one way over here, separated by lots and lots of law of seawater, perhaps ok, so a buffer of some sort. Oh yes, ok empires cannot coexist together. I don't

it's ok! I see what you're saying, and the reason I asked about a game is because today's audio podcast comes to us from our earlier series on a soviet activity right in Central Asia all kinds. Soviet activity. We ve been covering lately yeah everything from psycho try you are attempting to this over a shambles yeah, story, so we're doing still work? we found woman were looking for sombre law were like. For soviet activity, garden from is that there were two camps of people. There was one camp of what we can call true believers, who really believed that there was a shambles law or symbolic or whatever somewhere north of India somewhere in the steps and that this land

and could hold keys to some sort of hidden technology, such kind of like the scarcely theories regarding Atlantis are let or other falling. Boring and type civil civilizations, and then you got people who believe some hours more of a philosopher state of mind and they want to create a place where that state of mind can flourish additionally use it as a way of building support. Communism and building support for these be it empire monarchies right Furthermore, a lease for at least four tavern, Roman Vernon, Bug Sternberg Verona, there's more to their name. Yet I name is longer. I saw it when you made the video input all name in their years avail hand, oh yeah, that wasn't even the whole name I put as much as I could fill the bottom. Three year. He was very, very old blind, oh yeah,

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My first question is no o the infinity, respected. Only if only known the great game is something different? It's term here is often attributed to a guy named Arthur, Connally Arthur, Work is an intelligence officer for one of his These most lists and for a time most successful corporations. That would, of course, be the British EAST India Company, yes, a corporate intelligence office, so he's the one who said so, all great gay, yes and their. This great game was Wade between primarily to Em I really to huge empires at the time you're looking at Torreon era, England, and also the czarist Russia, and

and they're both vying for power across all of Asia yeah there each is trying to establish hedge, a money over Tibet, Mongolia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, all the signs of the sands and we should take a second head. Your money is ultimately the can. Role of a region or area that is beyond state level. Power so the United States currently is The hedge, a mine of North America, place nice, with a lot of the other countries by ultimately decides about goes and where the buck stops as its evolved through a platitude, so at this point These two huge empires, England,

british Empire is expanded all over the world by far their favorite thing that they have conquered India is the crown jewel as it was called the british Empire and they to safeguard this crown jewels. Because you know England, collection of Ireland achieve me? The british Isles collection violence, and so this the smaller nation, terms of landmass, had conquered a much larger area and had enormous GEO political influence. Because of this, so they want to keep that piece of shit aye, but Russia wants something else here: Russia's just trying to expand expanding its board. He's trying to acquire more and more resources and establish trade routes to send those, resources through this, We sent him all over Russia and they really want to maintain their influence over the region.

Because you know India isn't that far from their borders yes, sir. We ve got yeah exactly got Russia expanding. I'm trying to essentially, annex more nations or at least in incorporate them, and we have England's saying how faster growing here, because we already called did on India, which I know sounds cavalier, especially we're talking about the deaths of literally millions of people yeah, but these were the attitudes of the time these governments, alot of people me the decisions we have to remember were article. So they were removed from China. Can during the common people of their own countries, as people who surely a wee wee tender for sometimes that when you're in was there a border anymore,

sitting in an ivory tower an ivory tower somewhere. Looking at all of these ideas, you, the best way to look at them is went, make them very small, make a small. Let's say I dont know table wouldn't table with the size of western and that's the size of the world and you look it with little pieces. Ok, here's where the resources are. Here's where the cities are that we want to maintain this area. You can only see it from that high up. If you really control it. You have to see it from that high up and is the nature of the great game. The great game became popularized in a book by Rudyard Kipling. He wrote a book called Kin and can is about this british orphan, Who is orphan, in India, and she eventually begin

to have adventures as a spy working for the empire in in the great game, and that be of course trying to counter expanding russian influence there. The great itself, is generally scene starting around eighteen. Thirteen when Russia and Persia signed something called either the tree. You gotta stun, or the rush to Rousseau, persian tree, and it did a couple things that really set the set this age of the game and one of those was gave Russia control of several key pieces of real estate, which would be as arise in dark. Stone, and basically Eastern Georgia yeah now is pretty nasty blow to England at that time, because they had some heavy influencing persian advisers in the court and stuff, and this

expansion, which goes back, the original question, have you about whether empires can coexist? And, if so, how this question increasingly important and you actually measure the ground how much important. This question became and its roughly Three thousand miles yet One earlier point: the distance between the closest russian and English Empire outpost was about four thousand miles, in a very short amount of time. It got to his little as one thousand miles. I ve thing that happened. Was a real life secret war yeah. So the interesting thing about this secret war. Is that it's not you're not dealing with massive battles you're, not

dealing with armies that are ready to go to war with one another at any time what you are, but you're, not Seeing that happen, you're dealing with intrigue you're dealing with literally secrets and espionage. Basically it in the dark- it's a war in the dark. I like that phrase, We're talking about some the same people that we mentioned in the video series right can't go roar Ich roared, especially why? functioning as a spy, often thick fascinated by the way we need to do a whole. Series on just I have here in person the Dalai Lama. If you haven't seen our episode on this, yet please check out so we search for shambolic. Ok, so we have got english and russian agents, as you said, but not fighting this in the dark there traveling in disguise is monks and Germans who Traders and keep in mind? This is

what kind of an age of what would be known as Napoleonic Warfare, Napoleonic or is way. Again a very isolated person in power said I, just like these guys up I'll get my body that I'm probably related to align his guy, his guys up air will sit at the top of our mutual hills, and you know see how many of them survive in them just merchantmen lines to marginalize the city. Yet at this time, course. If we look at a little bit of the military history, you know that Evolution of firearms also taking place would all we mean the napoleonic tactics, were suicidal here, but no more what even before then they were. They were very bloody and she were avoiding an hour war by trying to subtly garner in we went so the rush

empires send somebody to visit the Dalai Lama, and then the british team would send somebody to visit the emir of Afghanistan and warlords among I and other leaders of stones some stuff and and yet maintain contact openly with with Moscow in and with London, as though everything's cool, guys we're everything's fine, we'll have a meeting yeah we're gonna have a meeting by as I'm having this meeting a bodies over there he's got that year, some warlord whose Yang some bad things against you. And Russian England would also one was necessary, cooperate to stop me. Or threats. To the biggest example of this is the while operation between the british and the Russians during World WAR, two which is we're, because it you think: does it

this game has been playing for quite a long time. I mean I know chest games can take a while, but Jesus Year, that's what my lips, over a hundred years hundred and twelve, three years yet so, been going on for a while, and that led us to think about how the game has moulded the world in which we live today, so the Great Game has had effects on Afghanistan, which were I mean they are. They have been catastrophic in its it's very severely limited the possible development of Afghanistan, because The separation act that's occurred, then quite violation of of power inside that country yet and that that country was also used as a buffer state to sort because Yemen's between Russia and India,

At the time game battles, if there ever was a battle between those two powers, that's where it's gonna take place, and those effects, of course, were catastrophic. The other the stones were also influence. Extend Turkmenistan Tajik sign Kurdistan, Uzbekistan, as well, because they ultimately were calling by the soviet part about the russian side, so they remain part of the? U S: s: R. The main part of Russia effectively even after the Evolution in Naples, nineteen and. When they were under this era of soviet rule, there were still really from a geopolitical, That's because they they

These are massive resources I think A check me if I'm wrong in this way think Uzbekistan was now as one of the bread basket of so they supplied the. So Union, with with a lot of food and unfortunately, because the central planning a lot of you, starved while they were exporting food seen in it it turns out that the resources that are acquired in these areas, when control those areas end up having here, I from where you are able to do that. Don't necessarily effect. Bottom line of the empire. Right because he's it's like having extra resources so great example. Is the eurasian opium fields basically gave England the means to peddle drugs to China in wide open. Ultimately became opium. Wars were basically an extra resource for them to get more money.

Right yeah, because if you think about it do not growing opium in the british Isles, then I They're not so they against it. It's? Not my backyard kind rain rather make sitting about current Afghanistan right were opium production has skyrocketed. Is that cracking yeah since some of the same opium fields as a matter of fact, and that is strange, Opium wars deserve a pike ass all their own, but for now this wake recap, just a high level. Look at the nature of what's going on brings to the big question of the day. When, do you think the great game start or do you think it's that. Between those two powers, specifically. I mean how how could you ever proved that it stopped? that's a good question, because it so much of it was wage.

In a clandestine way and depended upon espionage version and you're you're. Still looking at two mass I mean if they are there large powers. I don't know if Russia is considered a superpower anymore. I believe they are just read was really an article about is Russia. Will Russia becomes a superpower you probably herds and varying assessed. This is probably the most there were to use here. Russia's ability, sometimes We say that the only reason Russia's at The level it is in the EU in Security Council is because of world war. Two. That is just the legacy from that word. It is a developing nation, that's their because it has a stranglehold on gas and often weirdly in the United States are conserved, Politicians to say that the unit

say, should begin exploiting natural gas to Europe a way of detailing Russia's influence. It is also fair to say that at this point, though Guys are the nice is weak and say it is optimistic, lit the nice way Yes, so the idea of Russia being a superpower is something That is tremendous important to Russia's long term strategy ripe and could be threatening to Other countries, not just the United States, because they think it's obvious- met that you and I both believe the great game continues: I've get absolutely does in, perhaps just a few more players of joint we're, How would you who would you say is joined the game? The chessboard- well, certainly the United States, certainly China. Just if you look at

some of the spine. It goes on and now the known spying, the? U S, continues, has and continues to write, implement. As we were as were recording this angle, Merkel, the promise, Germany Railways, in the news for being late, by the USA. When she asked Hey Guys, gimme the stuff you stole from us Yeah can I at least see the things at mile on the air stay away, they wouldn't do that, but stuff to class doing the going back to going back to this year, the two to the big new players, the game or China in the United States sell for a time. China was not able to be peer level, regional how're you doing inviting do too. tremendous influence of

the British and the russian empires. Today China is Ascendant and one of its big concerns in Eurasia is fortifying. Security in western China and making sure that as secure access to energy. So this is me petroleum from the Middle EAST and Central Asia. Natural gas in use products, interestingly enough China is also the world leader in production of some alternative energy world leader in building solar, wind solar, is it I mean there is no question. Solar will be huge and I don't know how you can ever stop solar power becoming the next thing just because its wants it. That threshold of being able to make it cheaply enough yeah, then I mean. So who is over all the other energies Jingo taken

man, because the sun's not going out there is a job we're goin out. So that's it This is now the big the new anglo player in the great game is of course, as you said, the United States there's some strange similarities here. The cause you, all states like the British, empire in the beginning in the great game. Guys not actually have our sovereign territory. There there interested in establishing a hedge money. Germany, many people would argue for the purpose of in resources and also for the purpose preventing other threats to that rule, we are the biggest one would be a lot of people think Biggest one would be either China, Russia, but if you get the way there playing the game. Iran is the way, is the country in the target? In the end, the scope sites work

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With Michael Cashman on the hearth, radio out apple pie were wherever you get your bud guests here. They ve got a really big friend in the Middle EAST that You know we have a really big friend in the Middle EAST that we have to protect. IRAN is, there is certainly their biggest. They feel it. Is their biggest threat so one thing that is making the: U S, heir and necessarily do what it's doing, but it certainly helps now. I think you, I think that The United States is looking at IRAN for a different reason for much more progress. Agrees. No, no you- and I had already talked about this in an earlier show and we're both fairly sceptic I'm even dismissive of people or politicians. At least you make arguments for

wars based on ideology. Just doesn't cut it dial believe it I want to see. Some numbers there is a number play here in preventing around there's. Also that very interesting can sphere the theory about petrol dollars right area and in that your petrodollar break, the back of the EU sillies. That's what I've been hearing- natural hedge on hedge, aligning using the word too often. Now We know that we need but the United States, like China, wants to secure act access to reliable energy for itself. But so for another player in the game that will get to one of the let's go, to Russia, one of the oldest longest play in the game. Now what does Russia was? Well, definitely wants to re, establish its influence over the rest of the area, none

us inside russia- and we can see that happening right now- currently don't call it back her here, together their interests in expanding revitalizing kind of d, the the russian Empire, the icing army, not necessarily the Soviet Empire per SE, but gaining some of that give me back my stance. Yeah Uncle SAM right now you know the the: U S and Russia are at loggerheads over the presidency U S military bases in In sum, I think this book may, because external as well, I can remember, and those are being used to support you, operations in Afghanistan and, additionally, as being a possibility to wage war with IRAN, which, unfortunately, on the horizon, the ceramics that Russia wants to gain

its influence and gain back control the areas that it lost during the fall of the USSR and outdated hassle. I'm not. An historian, I'm not sure. I own study this stuff. Very often I have just would make sense. There are still resources, important resources in those areas that they want to get oh yeah, absolutely rising him, like you said earlier. Most of these things are resource, based in some way There is a reason you go you. Send an army into a place where you try and take over a land space in its not usually because of an ideological worries. Yet not because you like folk songs or whatever, I'm sorry. Resounding so dismissive of speaking, of cynicism there is another. Very old player in this game in its very old player that a lot of people forget

their detriment, notably make his doesn't get reported on the news, as often as it should the corporation The original reason that we even tunnel learned about this because of that intelligence officer who was working for a corporation yeah. Absolutely Oh sometimes we might forget that end companies and finance companies or those concerning the financial sector. Can we enormous interest enormous influence as well and in I'm cases having some sort of influence is crucial their survival? Your we forget often that the full of oil exploration played a big part? Is of what the British Empire did when it divided different countries.

In the period leading up to the modern day. Oh, we forget sometimes how dependent other kind please can become eyeing low from you, private and semi. Public private sources, like the I met for the World Bank, and In some cases, these organizations can provide tremendously, necessary resources, no better road, school sanitation. All of these these countries need to order, did to get a chance to develop As long as the I am ever, whoever gets their peace deal as as long as the whatever agreements they make are something had they that hold up to and that they are allowed. Hold up to buy anything else, because.

What's interesting. We read about this is that many of the people in the situations here, especially historically many of the people who were eurasian, let's see no lamas sore, in meares and stuff, like that, these people. Learned. A very careful balancing act no sir, you would say one thing to the British: the play them off the Russians in order hopefully make your area of the world a little. Better or at least a little bit less dangerous. It's interesting now the world in which we live. Where so much is open or at least able to be captured, As for everything, from a cable that sent from one

country to another? One diplomat to another? I see in reception yesterday and interception, and now it's open just like what happened with those diplomatic cables they got leaked. It chose you exactly you're talking about where we're we're playing a game all other countries are playing some kind of weird game If everyone think that now it's cool man, we're good Is it sort of like that game? Where I love you list we did this when you were a kid we had this game. Where we were play tag a library scrutiny run because you are being watched by two there's, so there were a lot of people power walking after each other until the eyes of the teachers were off them for a moment at which point the maid mad dash is, I ever do that we could try it in the office who would care what I'd do

This is interesting because we always like to do a little bit of further reading a little bit. I slept recommend this whole topic. While might seem a little bit dry and removed from the air, person's life and special in the United States or in Europe on the point of matter is that people who are in charge of state level decisions, no, those the wise old men and women who advise advertised leader, whether tenth a ceo primacy your president or whatever the the intelligentsia of actual fears very believes in this concept of a grand game and that Eurasia is ultimately the big either melting pot. Opportunity. Point or point of

conflict in in the world going forward and when I say advisers, I dont mean people that We are working in the nineteen forties. I mean people who were still working much more recently, like Zbigniew Brzezinski, wrote a book called the grand chessboard where he are the same thing. He basically says: nothing's changed people like Henry Kissinger people, like the advisers to proven appear himself get to that level have to have an understanding of the history of world. You can't you you're not You can't be here if you dont, have a vast understanding of the history of what you are doing Sometimes at history does get lost in the early very true. What's this goes back to her goes back to our question because, if you think about it, don't you think to the early days of the other

game. We had. We had a corporate power, working with a state power, to achieve the british empire and eaten away. We're being honest state and corporate powers, have always historically air mingled. You know the separation of the eye. This separation the corporation from a a family or a monarchy as unfair, state power is a little more recent that we would like to believe us. For me. It's a I visualize it. It's the the corporate side is the funding power, them the money powers to an extent and then the army, or the war. In power, is with the state at least the way I see it. At least they have to work, as you know, somebody has all the money sometimes

the monarch that has the treasure trove room, but usually it's the wealth of your nation, which isn't always not always controlled by the the state power here. Look. I know it sounds incredibly cynical to talk this way about this. Big one of the questions of with pop up would be? U, ideally, why can these states not have, their independence. Why can They may not be able to democratically elect their leaders in real elections, not some kind of game record election. Why wouldn't they be able to pursue their own and this will benefit them rather than a lot. A regional power I totally agree. I think they should be able to do that. But the point of the matter is that often end up being client states or being

proxy the scenes of proxy wars. I hope that this does not happen again, but it leads us to the question that do you think that inspires, can coexist, no do nothin. I feel as though one day there will be no thing is an oh there? Maybe there will be one empire who knows maybe you'll leave death star like in here gonna be really intense, cloaked dude. They can wield some color supernatural power. I then really you're, having sacrificed the box, for a superpower you kidding or if it feels like after head. That way is as it as much as it pains me to say that it feels like a global power is inevitable, who or else you mean a single global power like like a freaky empire freaky one empire thing see, I think back. It happened,

It couldn't be permanent why I could see on things something like nineteen. Eighty four is political, situation existing where there are three huge states. That of all he's been at war with each other always been allied with one another. But if you, if you play the game, game effectively you can convince at let's. Let's say that there are three right: The nineteen eighty four ninety four hundred travelling here, but playing the great game effectively enough. Then you could convince if you're one number one you can convince after defeating two and three. A kind of low board or through espionage every do it. You could convince the people who live in two and three that two and three still exists, and everything's. Ok and nothing has changed when we The powers with their own with only one so silly

Bulges lie to billions of people and never get caught the air. Will it takes you to this Huxley's yeah world? And when you combine nineteen eighty four in the brave new world, then you start looking getting close to what our looks like a brave new nineteen. Eighty four year did that's gonna call me my mind: what do you think, then? I think I This is going to sound a little bit. Fred. Gee, I'm sure person, much smarter than me has figured out this theory. This is just my two cents. Entirely speculation. Okay, so the beginning, we add, weaving humanity. We had the tribe and the tribe was something that happened due to survival. We found It was in the beginning. In especially it was necessary to have other people to help you you survive, ranks. Who said this precedent from the tribe, arrived the religion.

The religion said. There is a reason crossings steam other than to survive here and we are different to other people. And we or they deserve something good or bad. So the tribe started for survival, the religion a reason and the state advanced a method and the method of the state is that there are certain explicit rule, rules that are pragmatic? we're not telling you necessarily, what's going to happen when you die or we're not telling you about the intent spiritual things, but we I'm telling you that if you steel and elephant. You are going to jail because that is not make society work. So, let's let

Put in these rules that allow something like a super tribe do exist in Europe, so then went from the state to the corporation and what the corporation says is still kind of left open to question. But in my opinion, what ultimately become the biggest player in the great game will be some sort of British EAST India thing some sort of private corporate. I can easily see in our lifetimes for I can easily see in our lifetimes some sort of state or area of the world? That is true. Parent Lee and obviously controlled by a court nation, and I don't mean some sort is de corruption charge

I may want to live there. Yeah I mean like Euro Luxemburg presented Google now I think you just can be. Google stand or Google I mean, and yet the best example stand that will exist before you and I then and here's the thing, here's the thing. On what court what is or how it works out. It might be better. The alternative, it might actually be better to live in a Google stone as terrible as sounds now we You remember that the human race and in trying to work with it, Is this continual evolution? So I think that soon their wisely sooner, the grand scheme of things, the corporation, which will be the fourth step, will supersede the state ever what comes after the court, racial man, I don't know I just wanna- go to space odious with you. I just I wanna go to space

and so my soul for ticket really believe in what's that anyway, but just in case going to sell it. You can, metaphorically so your soul You metaphor adieu my minute Simpsons episode, whereby. So the soul, and he couldn't fog, the Glass and the automatic door. What nope inferior then that got me functional, for the moment. There are more than a sermon they got to me. I thought those doors are convenient. What will I You owe the Simpsons teaching teaching me like you and I how the world It's how morality, works and lets What's it to you listeners, we hope that you enjoyed this episode and we want to know why you think I'd what what do you think will happen, in these countries that we in the west here so little about oh who, if any one do you think will Eventually, control Eurasia

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