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audible, hello. When you get the chance in the meantime, and most importantly, you or you you are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. No, I figured we'd start off today's episode with an email from one of our listeners. This comes to us from Claude G Claude says: hey guys. I just listen to your latest episode about the possible inspiration for true detective. We did that when a while back- and this includes- has enjoyed the episode, but was wondering if you heard of another theory about the inspiration for the show, I was raised: Jennings Louisiana. I live a few minutes away now, but still go their multiple times a week. Jennings claim defame, fame, Fortunately, is a multiple murder case, tight by the media, the Jennings eight Showtime, has recently done it. Part series on it and mentioned true detective in one of the episodes. My family and I personally connected to the story is one of the

James was a cousin of ours. Anyway, I was curious, deceive you guys. I've heard of the connection to the tv series and our case thanks for your time, Claude this this is fascinating. No, we did know a little bit about this, but we wanted to explore. The case today is something that many People furred of butter, maybe not intimately familiar with, and for this sort of episode we do need to have a disclaimer that of the show its true on today's episode. Dived into some pretty disturbing stuff stories are true crime. Or drugs and corruption and the episode contains at times quite graphic descriptions of violence and assault, and it might not be suitable for all listeners. So to start, what are the Jennings eight in order to answer this question? Please travel with us to Jefferson Davis. Perish Louisiana here are the facts.

Jefferson Davis perish its located in South West Louisiana and it's a small place. You know a parishes, Louisiana version of a county. It has a little more than thirty thousand it's the parish seat is a town called Jennings, it's, the largest town in the area, but the population is still just a little over ten thousand according to the twenty ten census, its home, just some notable individuals. I found one mysterious story. Here, a guy named father, you Jeanne John Herbert was a Jesuit missionary. He disappeared in Sri Lanka. Ninety ninety during the country, civil war, has nothing to do with this show today. As far as we know before, the events disclosed in today's episode, Jefferson Davis, which was named after the former president of confederacy. It was one of those places you probably wouldn't be too familiar with. Unless you lived in the area, it me

the news a couple of times for things like corrupt take it easy by local law enforcement. You know we ve all heard that thing where, if you're a string the town you drive and buying you ve got plates from outside of the area, the already target on your back here and that's happened. You ve, driven through some of those areas in your travels baby to Athens or Augusta I mean you know I mean I would. I would imagine there be an argument tube to make that it's some form of profiling. But it's just you know it's the rules, kind of it's it's like something you should expect. Probably in this kind of difficult prove too, like many rural areas, you wouldn T Jennings often in the National NEWS, that you could live your entire life. Here in the United States never know this place existed Jefferson, Davis isn't particularly large. In fact, it's not particularly wealthy

there and, like so many other places in the United States. These days it had a pretty seedy underbelly. In the absence of prosperity, economic opportunity, jobs you, it is a vacuum that is typically filled with drugs and crime, and other types of black market trading, which grew into a kind of an open secret and Jefferson. Everyone knew what went down on south main street, but it wasn't necessarily something there was going to get shot down by the cops you know regular right absolutely near. There was an open secret, especially in South Jennings life in this small parish. Seem set to continue as it always had and even to contain.

Long, a bit of a slow economic decline until that is, residents began. Finding the bodies we're going to explore the initial murders were the discoveries of the bodies even before they were termed murders on me, twentieth, two thousand and five there's a fishermen are tired. Man named Jerry Jackson who discovers the first body its floating in a canal off highway. Eleven twenty six on the outskirts of Jennings his body, is identified as one Loretta Lynn, Cason Chess on Louis.

Louis have been seen alive three days earlier because of the amount that her body decompose authorities, weren't able to conclusively determine her cause of death, but they suspected asphyxiation. As you will recall, from previous Emerson, Smiley face murder theory drowning as homicide can can be. A pretty tough nut to crack is very difficult to prove just like it's hard proof a couples you over because he had to stay place, yet the court of public opinion was already in full swing, there's some pretty nasty victim, blaming the happens, especially in the media, because according to the residents in the no Louis. Living. What was often euphemistic He described as a quote high risk lifestyle. She was addicted to crack cocaine. She was another cash

Do you have the drug trade running along that quarter of I ten and she had turned to the sex trade, to feed her addiction and at first was seen as a tragedy and it is, but less than a few months, eight or residence and law enforcement. Sarge recognise that this discovery wasn't justice geller tragedy. It was something else. The beginning of a pattern tried a group of friends hunting bull frogs. The thing that you do in in Jefferson, Davis for fine. They found the corpse of a thirty year old, a mess, dean, Patterson amnesties Patterson a few weeks later, flooding in a different canal, and this particular victims, cause of death was a bit easier to figure out. Her throat had been cut

her body, brutalized, two men and a buyer in Chad, Jones and warrants Nixon, are held for a brief about time. On charges of second degree murder, but these charges were, of course drop in. They were released, and so we have to. We have two discoveries in two thousand and five Years pass on March, eighteenth, two thousand seven another body is discovered: that of twenty one year old Kristen, Gary Lopez, She is discovered in a canal and like the Louis case, medical examiners cannot lucidly nail down a cause of death and like in the Patterson case, two people are briefly detained this time. It's a guy named Frankie Richard who is described, alternately as a retired oil rig worker, a Strip club owner and a pimp, along with it

niece Hannah Connor, these two- our leader released, just like in the Patterson case, due to lack of evidence, yeah, that's right and over the next year and a half form more bodies turned up in and around Jennings, all fitting the same profile of the same unfortunate kind of forgotten demographic, poor young, with here three of drug addiction, rap sheets, a mile, long, typically, charges involving the sex, trade or other criminal activities. We have Whitney de Bois twenty six Laconia Muggy Brown, twenty three who, like Patterson, had her throat slit as well

crystal shape. Why z? No twenty, four Brittany, Gary Seventeen who's, the cousin of Christian Gary Lopez. Most of these bodies showed almost no signs of China and the medical examiners. Rulers fixation is causing ass other than the mighty case with the slit throats of the law, has to respond again. Jefferson Davis parish has a small population. This death rate, this murder rate, is insane So in December, two thousand and eight, the Jefferson Davis errors, sheriffs department, under the leadership of one sheriff, Ricky Edwards announces the your forming a task force to investigate what there now openly calling murders. His task force is referred to as multi agency investigative team or any I t t. They include local officials, state officials and some feds.

The results leave much to be desired in August of two thousand and nine and eighth victim is found Nicole Guillory in twenty six years old, the body is discovered off. I ten in the adjacent Acadia Parish later that fall Sheriff Edwards notes that these deaths may be the work of what they described as a common offender. A single person committing the homicides, in other words a little. They would hate to use the phrase, I'm sure a serial killer. So that's where we're at at that point between two thousand and five and two nine eight women of disappeared only to be found, shot dead shortly. Thereafter, the task force more than doubled their reward for information from thirty five thousand dollars to eighty five thousand dollars and the victims become collectively known in design Geiss as the Jeff Davis, eight or leader, the Jennings eight. But this is only the beginning

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always over public records. As he interviews numerous people affiliated with the victims as interviews members of the task force and even suspects in the crimes, he begins to think. This was not in fact the work of a serial killer, but of some one else, and it starts when he it starts from. He begins connecting dots between the victims, because remember this is a small town. In there's a reason we have stereotypes about small towns, common stereotypes about small town is it there are no real secrets that everyone knows everyone somehow A lot of our full listeners tuning in today probably have lived in a small town and can attest to that you know, and they also there's the argument that every town you live in smaller the longer you live there, so he browned starts to note that all these

These are connected. No. You mentioned that they had that the demographic in common, bright nad, similar issues with addiction and money, but he also finds that, in addition, at first point, secondly, they had all serve to some degree or another, as police informants, whether the called see eyes yeah confidential, informants this right and that's the thing I mean a lot of times, folks that are doing kind of informing, they may know each other and their beware of each other and maybe have each other's backs in that respect, because it is such a dangerous situation to be in two were actually related and another to live together for a time and eight. Fourth, we ve got multiple relatives who told brown the victims had appeared and usually anxious or frightened before

disappearing. Tat. Fourth point to be fair is a little, maybe a little more subjective, because these people are living hard, difficult lives. You no windows. There are probably plenty of normal reasons to be anxious or frightened, but still it fits the path, let's pause here now, I know what you're saying folks, didn't you all just have a commercial break. Well, we do but we also have an important announcement. You see our our good power, colleague, Matt Frederick, has actually returned from his adventure a material eyes, I'm here and now we can all do that for those just a Ben power. I heard you guys, so you are even brown and I was like man I gotta get in there. That's the way. It is crazy that you showed up we're glad you're here also very neat, fascination than to have triggered your spidey sense. I mean I have been reading about this case. Every

I believe it was a listener. Male rang, like yeah sandstones revenue in it. Yet been disturbing me ever since. So thanks so much for sending it to us. And also no thank you both. Thank you. Yes, we we open the show with Clyde's email. Now we're. I don't think we need to catch you up on any of this magnitude or no it pretty well. It's now at this point where Brown is making connections right he's already, he connected some stuff about is corroborated. Some statements from relatives he's noticed that there is a web of connection between the victims. He also finds another key connection. The bridge row in just off of interstate tat, it connects Houston to New Orleans. Could you tell us a little bit about that one year, so this is like one of the Hobbs or possibly the hub. A whole drug and SEC, like sex

ray drugs. What you call it not empires by just where the drugs are distributed, pretty heavily These are always there busting people for these things generally for the sex rate of her drugs. Surprise, surprise. And several of the victims that have been identified in this case, or are you know better than are out there that he is kind of bringing together here Dave received complaints based on there Save your at this location when you say when we say complaints based on their behaviour were were talking. You know generally about sex, work well, be I'm also loud hotel parties ass they took during here, depending on where you spent time in the. U S were bride. You ve probably seen motels like that. Before typically right off the interstate little beaten down right.

Yeah, and you know they don't have the best reputation and they ve earned that not the best reputable will you inheres Israel too? It's a lot of a community of its own, a motel like that. So a lot of the the victim here are sharing this. This web of of people that they all are acquaintances with and again it's like No, it's it's also small town right. It's this hold this place. We're talking about his small towns. Are all those rules apply and in this case it within the drug trade itself. Within the secretary I mean it's,

A lot of those very not call them affordable hotels, I guess, for lack of a better term. People stay there for long periods of time they rent rooms weakly and often there is a like. You said that kind of a hub where its people kind of go in and out, like you know, Johns will show up his particular motel two particular room to get sex work services and same with with drugs and, like you said it becomes almost as community where everyone knows each other. Everyone is aware of each other's kind of comings and goings. Exactly these are good points, because the victims also, here, a web of mutual acquaintances. The thing about these small town rules, the stereotyping mentioned earlier about everyone, knowing everyone is. This kind of rule- applies to de the criminals. Of a small town as well, and it applies in the drug trade. That's what leads eaten brown to interview a friend of the victims, self profess

I did we mentioned earlier, a Strip club owner named Frankie Richards and in his interview with Brown and with others Richard. Thanks Jennings in a grisly light, the drugs, the sex work and the crooked cops. He argues. Are operating more or less openly in Jennings and have been for some time before the killings begin. So Brown also finds that the rot in Jennings Louisiana does not stop at the dirty banks of the canals in twenty fourteen he's in peace. He rode on medium dot com. He We have a quote that I'm, the that helps walkers through his opinion on the law enforcement since the early nineteenth Ninetys, there have been nearly twenty unsolved homicides.

Including the slain eight women in Jefferson, Davis, parish, a statistic and a competent sheriff department. There would be regarded as both a ridiculously low clearance re, an astonishingly high murder rate for a small area yeah. But Brown does not a tribute these disturbing statistics to incompetence alone. As a matter of fact, he explicitly calls outlaw, for me in this article. Yes, he says quote: one fact is clear: local law enforcement is far too steeped in misconduct and corruption in this extends to the task force. Which is dominated by detectives and deputies from the sheriff's office to run segregation with the integrity that the murdered women and their families deserve after nearly decade, in which no one has been brought to justice and love once more on law enforcement, plenty more actually in in a moment, but let's let's,

Oh Brown, a bit further, let's, let's learn more about these suspects, so brown finds that the sun Eggs have something similar going on with their web of relationships. While there are different suspects for different cases or different specific murders, the suspect seem increasingly inter related, even Frankie. Richard was briefly charged in two thousand and seven for the murder of Lopez, but the charges were dropped when the witness statements were conflicting and then, when a key piece of physical ever was mishandled, end, simply fishing gear and that you have you have some insight on Frankie Richard script: wool, It comes from A series titled murder in the by you and there are just quotes there from Frankie Richard that just

I wonder how much of it makes me feel as though he's like, something morally wrong and I just feel like there's some some semblance of did of distrust in him just in general. Because of that word just because of the way he would things and I dont know how much of that can actually be attributed back to you know the Jennings eight murders right and I dont think any of it can, because it is the feeling that I'm getting in reading these things and I'm gonna read. This quote, you'll understand what I'm saying, but it's going to be a little bit of many use different words for what he said, my most memorable way of making a living was selling Pee wee sold p. In every effing way we could. I did not pimp them girls introduce them to older men that wanted to spend some money on a young girl. I make sure they are getting their money, making sure

they are not getting hurt? Brokering sex is pimping right, that's the quota is just a five year. I know will in also just the way again like maybe is reading it. Maybe just I'm imagining him saying that an just that the way he saw nonchalantly is italian and reflects back on it as in like all men. This was a great time in my life well he's also he's he's a free man. Bodies is lived a hard life. If you hear any audio with him yeah, you know, I'm not discounting that he's. Let our life is just I'm just talking specifically about personal feeling for sure, in a minute. Here's one more quote: just woolmer we're talking over. He richards he family member of his niece, in God, daughter named Hannah talked about uncle in this way- and this is a quote again from that- seem series uncle

major reasons why he was a suspect, along with all the other evidence, there was involved, but you can just maybe they're just this Arab more like a character, witness kind of thing. It has nothing to do with whether or not he actually did any of these crimes. It just perhaps one of the major reasons why he was a suspect, along with all the other evidence that was involved, but you can just maybe there,

is this air about him? That would make him look good for it yeah and he was he did have knowledge, carnal and otherwise of people who had later go on to be murdered in. In this course of events, there were other people charged in these cases. As we said, the the men charged in the Patterson case, Byron, Chad, Jones and Lawrence Nixon- got off because of what it may have been police incompetence. You could call it that, but it sort of a glass, half empty glass, half full situation, because our journalist Brown learn that the sheriff's office did not test the alleged crime.

Seen until fifteen months after Patterson Murder, and they were unable to demonstrate the presence of blood. Surprise surprise: if you wait more than a year that kind of organic evidence can get increasingly more difficult to detect. He also found evidence that other street level criminals in Jennings, especially people who were associate Frankie Richard were suspected in some of the other murders, but nothing came of it. This task force was conducting an exhaustive interviews. Nothing came of it. The law found no credible suspects and here's the thing: no corruption or incompetence, because what brown starts, calling the Jeff Davis eight didn't just give info on the drug trade to the police when they were see eyes, they appear

We gave authorities information about other women in the trade in the community. Who would later turn up dead and be part of the job in Davis E murders, local Brown. The fifth victim was interrogated about the two thousand five killing of earning steam Patterson was. You know, as you will call the second victim Brown said, that he had Brown is not even brown or journalists is not related to Laconia Mikey Brown, yes, but he found a task force report where one of the witnesses claims that brown spotted the body of Loretta Louis, the first victim floating in that canal, before the fishermen found her body therein in May two thousand five and then in two thousand six detectives who were look: and at first murder, also interrogated Kristen,

a Lopez who later becomes the third victim and Embrowned correctly false that ass force for not immediately noticing this troubling calves, hate of red flags, yours would literally was happening. Women were being questioned and murder cases and then shortly thereafter. They were turning up dead, it's really tough because you never want to believe that law enforcement you know, could possibly even just be turning an I ll, a blind eye right. You never want believed that there could be happening and we're so not saying that is what's happening, but just from the reporting and even brown, and definitely is making me personally question alot of this stuff, move onto the last victim, Nicole Gallery she's a no. Person who had a rap? She there was pretty extensive with charges there were repeatedly dropped, which is something that should pick your interest,

in was called as a newly prozac. We it's a ruling from the district attorney's office. The DNA and it just means to be unwilling to pursue yes, so we're we're prosecutors, We're we're not saying that there is no sand to the charges but for one reason or another, usually internal, we have decided not to process, yeah and it could be read aloud. Put resources into this for one or another it could be. Maybe there's something happening behind the scenes. With this person that's being charged. As let's say I see, I have something right. This is often used as a way to is often uses way to treat favours. You tell us about this other unrelated case off the books and then we'll make this. You know this possession charge something small time: go away: galleries, mother, bar

I noted that her daughter was increasingly paranoid nowadays leading up to her disappearance and one task force. Witness told Ethan Brown that Guilty, Nicole gallery had said she knew who killed the other girls, the other seven women to this day, barber gallery believes her daughter was murdered not by a serial killer but by someone inside law enforcement, because her daughter knew too much about the ongoing corruption. We even have a quote from Barbary here, which is which is

Pretty you can tell the she has certitude. Yes, this is not something she suspects. She used to tell us all the time it was the police killing the girls on. This will be our research and we would reply and call a name something writes a letter and least somewhere. Let us know we can help. You know Mama. It's too far gone it's too big I'd. Rather you not know nothing that way, nothing can happen the arm. She knew she knew she knew and that's why they killed her brown found other civil

reports and still at this point, this is all near a witness. Testimony and witness testimony can can be unreliable right. Can trend towards anecdote memory? Is a tricky treacherous thing, but when you find multiple reports corroborating similar accounts, it becomes something you cannot ignore. Gale Brown, for instance, a sister of Muggy Brown, said shortly before her sister was killed. She told her family. She was investigating a murder with a cop, and this cop was, I believe, supposed to give her five hundred dollars for information The gale also believes law enforcement murdered. Her sister some of the same people investigating these murders are the same people who committed will explore this. After a word, pushing a narrative about a serial killer when my

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Up to well. You know it's interesting when, when you were not here recently and the two of us were in the room- and we repeat we're talking with everyone who is also gathered here and now just about You know your mysterious ways. We can, I don't suppose you been, but I think, rears starting to develop some mysterious ways of our own. Perhaps it's the sketchiness buyers, Moses Right like so many? And you know I noticed this didn't happen until south. You started you started producing this shell he's gone the inside and he's got this weird can kind of MILAN point smirk on while he's he's knitting. What this is true. Yes said, the south is knitting, you think that's knitting dude, I I don't know he is. He is stringing together, thought torpedoes right now he's making a weapon

I don't know I like it. I like it, you know, I reminds me of the three fates story right. What will spinner Odin thread in there. For us man, you know the fate of he rose, something so we'll pick up. We do not know whether our good compatriot, nor is related to our journalist here, Ethan Brown, but we know will be returning soon, and here we arrive at the point brown hair. Ask himself: is this a matter of incompetence or a matter of insidious, you know, is it just a bunch of people who are terrible at their jobs or is it something more malevolent. We all recall them in the beginning very definitely, or you at least have to give a bit of the the doubt and say okay, this is if something is happening is probably incompetence, and now, as he's gone further and further and further into this he's thinking, it's more corruption

right and along the way, he is starting to get warning signs, little threats cryptic. Hence we should also, of course, to be completely fair, say that its it's easy for someone on the outside, without knowledge of law enforcement, investigative processes to say something as incompetent, because law enforcement has the labour under a think set of rules and there's one primary disadvantage that law enforcement always has, which is in theory, law enforcement has to play by the rules and the bad guys do not yes. So if, if there's something that seems off kilter there's something seems like it doesn't add up. Just like any anytime. You investigate something like this. You have to realise that what can be, why can appear to be conspiracy, can

can be explained by incompetence or mistake, or user error has actually or just a regulation, didn't allow for one thing nor another to happen bright right or because of a technical problem with the chain of command for evidence, for instance, someone that everyone knows is a murderer. Walks free now happens near that happens, because the laws not perfect so brown does his due diligence, and he says you know what this could have been incompetence, but incompetence does not explain the enormity of what's happening here in Louisiana. He says What appears to be incompetence? Competence might be out now corruption. This is when he begins to learn what we should call the world history of the dark side of Jennings Louisiana, the old style.

Heads people been in and out of the system for decades they tell him the corruption in this full part of Louisiana deeds. All we back to the nineteen Seventys when cops got involved in this other side of the drug trade where they were euro. Were selling the drugs are getting a vague re early, allowing it to to occur with with some beneficial thing right But then he keeps going down the rabbit over the local law enforcement rain and we ve got a quote: yeah we ve gotta quote as he's going down the rabble he learned More and more. We ve. We pull just a few examples. That, though, were powerful too, to show you that if there is corruption related to the murder of the Jefferson Davis, eight, then this corruption itself as part of a larger pattern. It didn't happen out of the blue. That's again. If law enforcement is responsible for the murders

Here's, the quote: Brown rights in March of nineteen, ninety two local men burglarize the sheriff's office making off a staggering three hunt, pounds of marijuana when investigators here, one of the burglars. According to court documents, he named a surprising. Air of accomplices, Frankie Richard and a man named TED Gary TED Gary's, interesting because he was chief deputy sheriff at the time. Brown notes that there were charges ever brought against Richard and Gary. Let's just keep go and arrogance, there's another quote: cos three years later and ninety ninety three sheriff Dallas Cornea pleaded guilty in federal court too one count of obstruction of justice after he was charged

with crimes ranging from improper dealings with inmates to using public funds to buy trucks, tyres and guns for himself and then in October, of two thousand and three eighths female on the Jennings Force filed a civil rights, lawsuit against the Jennings Police, Chief Donald, lucky, delusion and then a bunch of other male cops and the city of Jennings itself, and they said there were widespread acts of sexual violence and harassment amongst the allegations in the complaint. There were things like a captain who would shake his genitals. It feel officers and say things like you know I like to lick. As you said, Map PETE, I can all night people forced oral sex on female officers a lieutenant who waved a knife and a female officer saying that you know he was going to cut her up and then

in January, two thousand and thirteen the think about this- this goes back from nineteen. Ninety, these specific examples to twenty thirteen and two thousand and thirteen were directly involved, at least in the cover up of the murders and this time again, two thousand seven. If we remember our timeline there for victims five hundred dollars in cash. Eighteen hundred pills more than three and eighty grams cocaine and power of marijuana missing from the departments, evidence room while the evidence room by the way, is a sea eve, yeah, it's exactly When in who knows how many officers were actually involved in the illegal movement of all the materials that were found missing right, I mean the sheriff again is blamed therein, case, because this is your evidence room and I think it so intellectually lazy and tempting Oettinger. These stories to sail all cops are bad

her all all these people, everybody works at this department from bottom up there, they're all rotten its, all the way up and jerks all the way down. That's not true in this case others a there's, a former sergeant named Jesse Ewing in two thousand and seven he hears that two female inmates at the city jail wanna talk, because they say they have knowledge about the murders and their higher ranking officers were directly involved at least in the cover up of the murders at this time again, two thousand seven, if we remember our timeline there for victims, and this is really doing here- we go his mind really stirred up, because he's already had a lotta suspicions about stuff, that's been going on or things a he's felt were possibly going on. He was, can learned that the recording of the interview, the tapes of these two particular inmates- might you know,

disappear in the same way that all that stuff, like the drugs, the cash all those things and the evidence, locker and evidence room, all that's having been disappearing, use thinking so much going to erase this from the from the records, Sweden's viewing the tape to a private investigator named Kirk Menard, and then he and- and sent them on to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Office in Lake Charles. This plan backfires turns out that Ewing is right not to trust his fellow officers and his colleagues, because the tapes and back up with the task force in a tea and sergeant doing as is concerned that, there will be reprisals if he if he goes through the regular channels. That's why I went through p I to the FBI. It turns out. He was right because, as soon tapes end up at MIT, the Jefferson Davis District attorney

office charges. This sergeant with malfeasance enough as well as on trumped up charges, sexual misconduct, the one of the female in Aids is on the audio tapes says that he touches her inappropriate Lee while they are recording these charges or later dismissed. The tapes contains specific information about the murders of do blah and Lopez, including allegations that law enforcement helped cover up the role of one Frankie Richard in at least one of the murders. So we get to a bit of second hand information here, but but it's interesting walk. On this? So one of the people on the tapes who remains publicly unidentified today says

She heard from a different person working in the sex trade that Richard and his niece Hannah Connor are the ones who killed Whitney to block, and, furthermore, this sex worker, Tracy says that she was there the night a happen she saw it occurring. She says they ve all been hi and wind, while refused Richard sexual advances, he got aggressive. He started whether and when she started fighting back, he got on top of her and began punching her according to this inmate that that's when the niece held held the was head back and round, her ordinarily, you could see, why this should be treated with scepticism, radio Like I'm, an inmate in jail

I'm telling you this sum, I'm telling you something someone else said to me: I wasn't there, there's just another person that I know from this treats is probably going to be in jail later. We, Anything about the cost benefit thing, they're right area again. What are you getting in return for giving information like right right and if it comes back there await. This person says that they didn't say that. Well, then I mean all you have to say as well. They must be mistaken Gazette, so they said to me Ray yet hearsay, what's the motive now maybe they just have some kind of vendetta against the other person in agreeing. Indeed, they want to get him jammed up. The problem is this tracks with confession that that same person, you said she was in the room made earlier that same year. The two inmates claim there was a conspiracy of foot that Frank

Richard at a high ranking member of the sheriff's office named Warren. Gary worked together to destroy the evidence of Lopez's murders and values. True. They were probably working together in some other capacity, or at least there is a pay off. There were some benefit too, to warn Gary. If that is true, and Gary himself was never actually, charged, in fact, he and low getting promoted to run the evidence room? Yes, yes, it's true like they could think about that its again in its, it's not confirmed all of this stuff boylike, just the perfect placement, if it were true to be to be play in short, the evidence for end of leaving the sheriff's office some sometime around two thousand twelve. Yes, and it is just the their multiple other suspects Brown found a multitude of AL,

nations regarding the case in these allegations were in various parts of the task force reports, but they were not made public until his reach. Brought them to life. So Mister Browne, if you were listening, thank you for your courage and your diligent efforts here you're, a fellow named Danny, bury before dying twenty ten at the age of sixty three Danny Bury worked for the sheriff's office for twelve years. Three separate witnesses named him as a suspect and murders during interviews in two thousand and eight they claimed first, the berry and his wife would drive around pick up. Women often

three and in drug them specifically spike their drinks. Some of these women also said the berry had a room in his trailer cordoned off from the rest of the domicile that there were chains hanging from the ceiling. This was a room. People could quote not see in, or out of bury was interviewed by the task force on February twenty fifth, two thousand and nine. He was not asked about any of these allegations here, of course not, but then is cash. It so tough it so tough with these kinds of things, because it just its in the fact right, I mean why that's the same thing. That happened even Brown here do with that. Happening to me. I think maybe two you listening to this, to abandon all of us, not just its accumulative affair. Two of feeling like something is fully rotten in in Denmark in Jennings and you know, for this guy to be what would it

was that quote there we said, he was not assessed. In three murders he was brought was it. They named him even named by somebody as a suspect in three The Jennings eight murders, that's pretty weird, but there is a whole other twist. They ve been you found here. Something about one of the victims was present during a police shooting. So yes, so it turns out that There's another connection, so we have the hotel, the location through which they are often connected. We have their acquaintances, male female colleagues, fellow drug users, two were involved. Some of this stuff did end of needing to take somebody out with whom they were involved. Then yeah you can just

a green jury investigated this shooting and determine that there was no probable cause for charge of negligent homicide on the officers. Part where against supply slowly only case, even though the dealer was probably unarmed, when he was murdered, witnesses told investigators multiple times that they believed police were killing victims who knew about how this shooting went down. At least one of the Jennings. I was in the room when, when this when this fatal shooting occurred, and you can read some recent pretty harrowing in depth that counts of that. But if that is true, then it seems that the victims were being murdered to cover up a dirty shooting Riah. And then how duties the shooting well that depends on how dirty the law enforcement personnel were working. There,

well, yeah and all his we ve kind of you know If you to believe some of the picture that's been painted here through this reporting, then you may think wild. I guess, if you know they were going to day, if the police officers who were involved this stuff did needing to take somebody out with whom they were involved. Then yeah. You can just imagine how dirty the dealings surely were and there's other thing here. A warden named Terry Gallery was trafficking, some inmates, the female and male for sex or euro. Maybe it's like Richard said. Maybe he was just introducing them. Two men who wanted to. Exchange money. My old man you're running yeah, yeah yeah, I'm clean uses other thing. Worn Gary hurry, we're talking about a top there, he purchased a truck on the cheap food.

A friend of Richard Richard Frankie, Richard the we're time other This truck may have been used in a more and then later sold. Just this is a thing. This is like a list, put that out there. I'm just saying kind of thing right right also gallery is a cousin of that last victim, the call every year and again, a lotta. This goes into things that we would have to be. We would have to call here say: yeah, oh a ton of us. There are very sketchy timelines, strange relationships, but right now, despite these troubling things, there are no convey murderers in these in any of these cases and given the increasingly shady activities of law enforcement in the investigation, it's no

surprise that the then Sheriff Edwards required all taskforce members to get swap for dna if for nothing more than to put the public at ease, Tut Tut, though, because it turns out that the results of those dna tests were never disclosed to the public and have not been at the time of this, wording. This is where you come in public knowledge of the story may help with the case. It's been covered pretty well in several different, then use most recently in the two thousand nineteen port documentary murder in the Bible which you mentioned earlier mats, but these these murders remain unsolved, their numerous people pointing their fingers at folks in the sex trade. Folks in the drug trade. Some people still pushing the serial killer, narrative and, of course, people pointing their fingers at former members of law.

Foresman. This is where we want to hear from you now, Claude. To answer. The question you asked us earlier is the Jennings Age, the Jefferson Davis, eight, an inspiration for true detective seas, one that there are some notable differences, of course, because true detective Caesar what is clearly a work of fiction, but the creator of the show Nick, a lot of says that he was not aware of the Jennings case until after true detective was coming out, and he he in fact tweeted about this. We lay in twenty fourteen when Ethan Brown in his medium article. I noted that this felt like a true detective story, so we don't We have not found any statement, at least from the creator of the show that he was inspired by the, However, we will point out that

during the run of true detective season, one, the creator, aim under some fairly serious crime system, including plagiarism ripe, for some of I think it was specifically some of the dialogue. Rust call speaks ripe and I came over the writer from whom it was believed, use. Borrowing buddy was that it's the weird fiction Thomas Lagarde, that's it that's it yeah. You know there are similarities here for sure, but this whole the corruption within the Please debarment thing feels a little different to me. I'm having a hard time fully recalling through detective season, one, I think any to relaunch it. It's fantastic! It's fantastic work. I am glad that its fiction, the problem here am, I dont know not the not the problem, but the complication here is that fiction has has

complicated relationship with the truth. We have cases where real life events become embellished and works of fiction, but then we also have cases where works of fiction. I create real life. Tragedies in crimes such as the infamous slender man, stabbings, Slater N, was always is acknowledged to be an urban legend created on the internet. The people who made slender man say that they made it didn't quoting quote, discover it. Oh yes, yes, but you know in this case its own. It is that it's a lot of people saying a lot of things without a ton of evidence to back any and that's. Why were very much interested in what you think my money? It feels a combination of things that we discussed here of people that mere maybe implicated you know in.

Very small, very minor ways and in others in pretty major ways, and I still feel like their Frankie Richards guy. He gives me a bad feeling. Frankie Richard yeah yeah. He here's the thing at least eight people are dead and the one of the big questions is. Did they all know each other because they just happen run in the same circles. Happened to live in the same relatively small town or relatively sparsely populated area or were they all targeted right? We know that this murder rate is incredibly high for the population and I there's no way around it, no matter who you think is respond but there's no way around that I am going to voice my opinion. I believe that police corruption so heavily involved. If you

Look at the track record and again this is no dean on the people. A current working in law enforcement. But if you look at the track record of things that had happened over the course of the decades leading to these murders, and if you look at how the murders were handled, then it seems to me fairly obvious that there was at least some corruption and cover up at play and euro with its tempting. To say: well was this: where were they killed by members of the drug to trade where they killed by members of law enforcement? When you get ass, a certain threshold of corruption, the drug trade and law enforcement are very close to being the same thing. Fingers on a hand. Now, I'm not seen as a case like that, because you know have you ever saw weight on in the interstate ten corridor. I've never had a pay full Louisiana member of law enforcement

I like the year like specific giving such specifics there are the specific I know they are rarely have. I don't stick me six weeks. Do you think I want to say I seventy five different dodo. I just know I'm just joking issues will be using I've, never sold weight, I've, never there is always the I ten corridor, I've never made a deal with the good folks, Jennings now, well. You know sorry rum making light of it just because it is uncomfortable talking about the death of individuals like this, where corruption, like you said, has a track record and it seems it seems there At least had some handed, Brown was onto something brown his onto something he was threatened. He did have to stay

out of the area for several months and be it can be enormously dispiriting to admit that this is a situation where the law has failed as the law failed, because it is imperfect or, as the law purposely made to fail here. The fact that I would argue that the fact that this these crimes for me and solve, presents us and presents you listening an opportunity to be part of the solution. Yes, so contact us in whatever way you choose or whatever way you prefer the most. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram we're conspiracies from some of those conspiracy stuff shown Instagram. If you dont want to contact us that way, you can, you can get join face were group. That's really great way to have discussions. It's called here's where it gets crazy lot of fun.

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