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in class in high school. I remember he went missing. It was surreal, seen his mom on tv related to the smiling face killers. So it's interesting because you. As we said or episode, though a majority of law enforcement believes there's nothing to the theory, but the two men who have been spearheading the investigation themselves. Former law enforcement are still convince theirs. They nefarious of foot with did. You guys think about that when we were, we looked into that episode. I mean it They have to people who have decided to continue looking into it especially for the individuals like the families of the victims that are involved just have some one in that it feels like therein your corner, but you know, it did seem like a bit of a structure we did the ever so that doesn't mean it's not real just means. We don't have enough evidence at this point

in fact everything you I agree. It is felt like you know. The smiley faces such a ubiquitous, very kind of easy thing to spread on a wall. The exist of that. You now connected to multiple cases, drowning, which is also an easy thing to happen near a body of water seem like a real kind of shot in the dark to me, and then seems like that is what the evidence bore out, that it did. It did feel like a bit of either a coincidence, or just you know, so, are getting a little overly obsessed and want to find an answer where non existent and that certainly a thing that happens. You know well said well, said Anne. Sounds like we're on the same page with this when we add to that the enormous difficulty of proving drowning by homicide, but without being said, of course, we want to hear your arm. It's for or against it, and we will. Like everybody else listening I want nothing more than closure of for the families.

We have lost these children today We're diving into something that fellow time. Listers will be more than familiar with, at least in principle. I mean hot gosh, we're in a new golden age of propaganda. It's often said right since, before the twenty sixteen election, or at least it looks like a new age, if you'd do as long as you don't die, too deeply. While we're saying we're in a new age of propaganda euro, we it's it's interesting as it makes for slick headline, but that's not entirely true. So here are the max. If you listen to the show, you know that again. There is nothing new I began something has been around forever. As we have always needed we as in us every human, those in power or those only to acquire power, have always needed away to convince others that their way is the right way and

For some reason, you didn't check out our very first episode of stuff. They don't want you to know in podcast form. You should do that because it's all about the life in story Edward were nays, who is popularly known lovingly known as the Father of public relations. I e propaganda, right, yeah and you can. You can read his work for yourself. It is surprisingly trance parrots because Edward They fell like he was doing a good thing. He thought who is making the world a better place? You can find the stuff free online I like- recommend for anybody who has read him before checking out crystallizing public opinion and, of course, is break out. Bangor single in his eve is. Work is now, but the book simply titled propaganda.

I would also see he's is a very clear and talented writer, and these are easy read. You know it's not like slagging your way through Kirk Guard or something like that, and you know well, you will beaten. You will be now by no means the only the only Are you find writing about? Uganda or writing actual propaganda? If you look on the intern, these days because it is chock full of propaganda. As a matter of fact, propaganda has come increasingly weapon eyes. It's a crown jewel in the world of symmetrical warfare and have this in the notes, but just just for any bodies like The term propaganda are wondering what it means. Propaganda is information not always untrue by propaganda. Is information if an agenda, its biased, it can be misleading and it's meant to make you feel

as the reader or the viewer, the audience? Member that what you're being told is leading you inevitably to an obvious conclusion, but that can Ocean is not always the truth. It's it's very tricky. I wish yeah we yeah. It exists in our time. Well, existing now in in modern days in the internet being chock full of it, you could you can slightly put a twin on anything. They gets released from a public relations perspective, whether it's the messaging within a let's say company in the way it portrays itself in advertising or o, especially candidate in the way they are portrayed within within election year. We The term is spin right. Spin is literally taking a truth and twisting that is what spinning something is. It is a way of changing the way, a thing.

Perceived or according quote getting ahead of it, which and basically mean controlling the narrative. Doesn't necessarily mean that its outright lying, in fact it's it's probably a bad idea to outright lie and propaganda, because you can, you can call out a lie. You can call out a Cleverly strategically placed partial truth quite as easily cadmium, right right there. I think I mention this in earlier episode, but always makes me think of that fantastic line from Emily Dickinson tell the truth, but tell Slant, and you see more and more of that. I want everybody who's been eating a lot of news, especially political news, with a in Easy Tipp to find stuff that maybe, if not propaganda, just opinion masquerading, as fact You'll notice this when you see by the verbs you see in headlines like of Europe.

Read something where it says. Like politician slams country, bees, announcement of blah blah blah or they they slam or they blast or they euro gory at whatever all when there being in those action verbs. That is the spin. That is part of the narrative they're trying to to make you agree with an end, it's weird because typically here in the? U S before and after the advent of the internet, when we would hear about propaganda, it would be portrayed as something that other countries, do right. You might, for example, road member hearing, a news anchor saying something along the lines of look at all crazy disinformation coming from Russia are t usually knows russian times. Russia Times has a bread crazy conspiracy theory. They might reference rush state level propaganda

everything from quorum quo, globalist of fire, g and more, and you might also her fan of on the daily show, or a fan of excellent work like last week tonight recall the weird over the top videos that country like North Korea or Turkmenistan Release of yes ever seen, those oh yes, I recalled very vividly called the United States for its use of propaganda, but innovation, Kinda format, it was. It was fascinating, highly effective, because I remember watching it and myself personally feeling moved in that. I believed I believed it to an extent. If that makes sense, I believed that there was a: U S campaign to wage propaganda against North Korea when I was watching their tape in particular and the problem is its kind of it was happening

kind of is happening at all times, but from all sides, as if we This is Is the standard for a symmetrical means of warfare, re lad, I a super carrier win you can get the domestic population to turn against its masters. We often see propaganda presented as a tool in the dictator toolkit. You know you can use it to Gaslight and suppress local populations, and you can also use it to discredit any domestic opposition. But if you think the? U S is somehow above this practice. If you think that Mrs somehow immune to this practice, you could not. Any more wrong. Sadly, what are we talking about? Will you. After a word from our sponsor hears

It gets crazy old, odd! All on hold your horses for my hold the stable, you might be saying domestic. Uganda the United States of America really be allowed to gaslight its own. Citizens no way there should be a law. There should be a law, especially because we're talking about the United its government, the thing the entity that we all proper, every time we pay our taxes. The thing that we may have and that works for us, ostensibly on paper yeah and, like you, private entities, are a different thing: everybody specks propaganda from private entities. We just call them advertisements, Wendy's route least This amazing mix tape I'll back this deadly, definitely propaganda. Burger king wants you to think that Mcdonald's is garbage. That's propaganda, too.

But it's it's different here when, as you said, that there are their tax dollars and there was actually a law. It's called the: U S, formation and educational exchange ACT. Usually street name is the Smith month Immune Deity act. This is the authorization legal authorization for propaganda activities conducted by the department of here in the? U S, well, I see here in the U S the Department of State is based in this country, but Smith months is. Is green lighting. What could be euphemistically called public diplomacy? I wanna like walked back ever so slightly like, wouldn't you say published, so this is governing public disk. Listen somewhere like the colleague, like being as it trying to keep people honest. The purpose of don't understand

if it is meant for those new doing a better job right right, so think of things if, you can listen to this sort. You can listen to this. This now in the? U S, but for a long time there were things like v away Voice of America. This is state sponsored. U S, content that speed, if marketed to four audiences you know like think of the Horn of Africa, think of Easter, Southeast Asia and it's it's meant to kind of push the push uncle sands narrative too, to these foreign audiences edit. The act itself says or said that this kind of stuff that we're piping out to residents of countries cannot be piped in here. So that's why you can't turn on ninety point, one or whatever your local and pr station is, and here than TAT

about how dangerous the government actions of Myanmar, Pakistan are I see ok, essentially like giving permission for them kind of quoting what we I recall it. Propaganda propaganda is not even in the thing that sort of a dirty word- It's essentially allowing that legal, within the framework of our of our government to to happen when it comes outside countries, but is something that we would never do to our own people, could, knowingly or in terms of demonizing other countries, yeah nail on the head, in short, the United States, always knew that domestic propaganda could have a deleterious. Damaging effect on the population we moved to protect ourselves from. Ourselves in this. This come in the play like after after all,

propaganda of world war, wine in and things like that when people are scrambling for the ration cards and so on there reason here was pretty patriotic, in fact, is one Senator Edward Kerensky, who explained it any pretty pretty succinctly. He was working with Us Senator J, William Fulbright, to try to push this act through Congress The purpose of me to distinguish what the? U S is doing from the the Soviets were conducting their propaganda? He sends risky said quote from the Soviet Union where do most probably as a principal government activity attempting to a kind of demonized, that's as risk, and Senator J, William Fulbright sold, our amendments on a set of this idea of sensible rhetoric of trying to get get at America you shouldn't- be funding propaganda for american audiences and make sense to me, but we should funding propagators denotes all the other countries,

our enemies or our petition. Rivals. Sure yeah like We shouldn't be lied. To is the american public and you know what we also shouldn't be paying people for the privilege of being lied. To that makes sense to me sounds like that's something all of us are on board with and here's the news, it's quiet news, so don't feel bad if you missed it, this No this. This sort of differentiation between us in the port of call back eyes all ended in twenty thirteen seven years ago. Almost exactly seven, you There was a reform that was passed in January, twenty thirteen, a wind effect in July, twenty thirteen, it add realm, ugly, little media coverage and it changed the rule. So ever since twenty thirteen, the? U S, government has been allowed to market propaganda directly to the residents of the United States and

This sounds maybe arguably like a small difference like that. Does it really matter it dies, especially when you consider how much pro I mean that opened the door for its huge gathers attack. No stuff produced prior to that. The U never get in. The United States, the stuff like the dead. Does this made by the Broadcasting Board of Governors so voice of em Do we already mentioned Radio Free Europe. Radio liberty, the Middle EAST Broadcasting, all those networks they can be viewed or listen to in broadcast quality like the full equality meant to listen to what they like it. If you're in your car, lessening the radio or something if you were in a foreign country, you're different place other than the United States or a territory that is the only place You could listen to that stuff, but not anymore,

their content is viewed in more than a hundred countries in sixty one languages and with it that programming you're gonna hear about human rights abuses in IRAN, issues in Tibet. Like self immolation of you know believers there or protesters their human human, try, linking all across the asian continent in all kinds of on the ground reporting in war. Torn areas in places like IE also places like Iraq. That's where you're to find all of that kind of stuff What did I do to be very mean? We have to know that there is definitely a reason for this to some valid arguments. For this the view Ray's charter makes makes is pretty. Boldly stated emphasise accuracy quote, our journalist provide what many people cannot get locally, uncensored news, responsible discussion and open debate. There. How do you know? How do you, like their language, meant what they said?

other charter. I you know, I think it's a good point, the old, because the because It is. What could be described may be somewhat glibly. As a pickle Is it an anonymous source where several anonymous sources from the? U S, government who say voice of America rewards all does serve a good purpose. They call it counter programming, counter propagandistic programming for people in incredibly unstable areas that have little media access, so tat Somalia, for example. Small is a failed state is very difficult to live there and according to at least, one source again who wished remain anonymous. They say, Somalis have three options for news word of mouth I'll, show Bob

or voice of America, Somalia. So their argument is this. Propaganda has to exist because it is, it is providing like, like he said, not mission statement nor its providing who called on co, uncensored news and die. Ok, look clearly uncensored news, a response all discussion. Responsible discussion sounds like it could also be censorship that could be. That could be like someone safe word for censorship artists. But that also dodges the real question: ok, yeah. Alright, It is important for areas of the world that not otherwise have any kind of international news or any kind of larger context, but that fails to answer the question about why we would pipe this kind.

Stuff, which can sometimes be orwellian into the ears of people who live in this country. The argument is that, if we do that by doing that, since twenty thirteen, this programming has been able to reach large ex patriot, unity, sleigh God, the aid they go back to the small example, a big part of this, in the ass poorer is composed of people who live in cities. All Minnesota so they're saying look. This is propaganda by its accurate and it lets us reach people. You know who need to be reached here, the country. So overall there saying we're doing a good thing. Do you believe him was it was reported who argue in favour of voice of America and similar propaganda enterprises produced by the? U S, government say that they are transparent as where fact spokesperson for the baby dream, the bride

casting board of governors again named Lynn well, would not even call what the organization does propaganda. Instead, she said it's an argument for transparency. She said look. This is over all good thing quote now, airlines will be able to know more about what they are paying for with their tax dollars. Greater transparency issues as is a win win for everyone involved. She doesn't mention this in her statements, but it important to know you know, lest we look at less, we look askance at the? U S, were marketing propaganda to U S citizens. We have to remember a time of other foreign countries, already marketing propaganda. Here are only a little more successfully. In some cases, yeah em before you say a yeah yeah, BBC News in the United States. That's obviously propaganda come on. We don't know. Maybe it is

that is certainly something that comes out. My radio, when I was an empire in the morning with everything that it's all about what your opinion of propaganda is, and they what's the rubric you now like. I don't know that there is one exactly because so much of it, you can't prove is a lie or well well, if there's a the slant, the Bin, can a mention in the top of this here. That's where you end up a kind of seeing the crack seeing where it actually is propaganda of some sort, because their reoccurring themes. Let's take a quick case. Him here and jumped to Kansas City Missouri Missouri, had it Missouri, Mozilla browser Well, there is a New York Times article that came out in February of this year. That is written by Neil Mick, Mick Mick Far Car, and he is talking about a radio station that is broadcast

sitting there in Kansas City. It's called radio, Sputnik and according to kneel and the New York Times, it is a propaganda arm of the russian government and it started broad, asking on three radio stay since in that area during the prime DR time, so radio fear in your car commuting. You're gonna hear this. If you are on that channel- and it's a little strange, let loose just read- this quote in the United States. Talk, radio on this channel Sputnik covers the political spectrum. From right to left so again, you're getting what may feel like balanced news like your game just a regular old station, but there is a constant back be according to this article, that is that America is damaged, goods that there's something wrong with America: those things going right there, a problem major issues in here. All here are all of the issues with America and its interesting

to know that this is happening in the EU it states with what is believed like we said to be russian propaganda that we want to emphasise. This is legal. I you can learn a lot about the story. We in the aftermath of theirs human element? So this radio sputnik exists in the. U S primarily be of a radio station owner name peak short hell. I he was lost. Like two years ago, twenty eighteen or so he had to lay off his entire staff and he said he was having a fire sail on ad spots. He had paid him self in months and months and look like is operation was gonna clothes, but radio Sputnik was pain thirty thousand dollars a month to broadcast its programming in D C, and that's what that's? What led him to to this? Who is he's not like a

a russian sleeper age and Allah? The Americans don't worry. I've that we know of re right here, guy who's, trying to do trying to keep the lights on its an understandable thing, and this is this is just one specific example. This could be also. It's been called public diplomacy. It could also be called off diplomacy. I you know you can win the hearts and minds without ever putting your hand on a gun, or God forbid, a nuclear weapon bites. We want to bring to your attention today something else that's the the lay of the land now right whatever law protected. You quarrel quote from domestic propaganda, no longer. In effect, it hasn't been for almost seven years. So please think critically about all the stuff you you run into since twenty thirteen, It also turns out that there is much more

to this story? The? U S has been flower its own laws for even longer we're going to take a pause for word from our sponsor that, as far as we know, is not you his propaganda. I will get back to you after the break. You would go, there's a dj lad. I would like you to check out the lad tv broadcasts since two thousand eight, why GB has been giving a hard hitting no holds barred interviews with some of the biggest wrappers singers actors, professional athletes, former criminals and everyone in between we ve been if we celebrities like the baby cardy be me, goes little baby, don't you get a Mario W, W e champion Marken twenty one, Savage Warsapp Dc Young fly fat, Joe Danny Trejo in Trail Charlemagne and many many more we're regular guess. Like rabbits boozy media tightening cannon calmly legend deal hugely and champion. John South

were the only was brave enough to ask questions that everyone else is too scared to ask The interview someone it becomes. Your biggest interview at so listen to the black Sea pod gas on I've already up apple pod gas or wherever you get your point gas. Here's where it gets crazier, actually much greater wealth. Yeah yeah, we'll get double double the crazy here. Isn't it first Don't go it's a double meant of crazy for sure the? U S is being conducting this domestic propaganda kind of operation, the these sorts of endeavours for decades and decades, since, since your grandparents were alive easily, if you know it's it's

easiest way to crack. This will open is to start with two words: Operation Mockingbird yeah operation. Mockingbird was a secret campaign. By the? U s c, I a designed to influence the media harmony It was started by CORD Meyer and Alan W dollars. And later run by Frank Wizened hereafter after dollars became the head of the CIA on paper. It was all about fighting communism fighting the reds, the roost keys, promoting western values Wise, nor was told to create an organisation that concentrated on quote proper Ganda economic warfare, preventative direct action, including sabotage anti massage demolition and evacuation measures subversion against hostile states, including us. Since the underground resistance groups and

sir support of indigenous anti communist elements in threatened countries of the free world Holler, let's unpack, So this is like a free rein to kind of collude with other countries in like a what first of all of covert warfare back against our own country yeah. This is its quota directly speaks. You our earlier episodes on Y a lot of foreign countries, don't trust nonprofits. This is This is a war of ideology and wiser is wiser, tasked with controlling the narrative in the U S and later franchising or expanding into a glue war. So that's? Why, like underground resistance groups, I could be anybody from transparent political, in Seville regime to us

student body that gets the gets radicalized wisdom, also is pulling journalists from the? U S. Who are you who are accredited and who work at some top notch publications of no cure and he's he's getting them to help fight the battle at home, he turns a guiding Philip gram at the Washington post. And he has Graham run this project within the journalism industry and grand starts recruiting. Other. Well, there's a laundry list of names who may be familiar to our fellow listeners, who are history buffs into the murky world of spy craft, we're talking about people like James, true, it Russell Wiggins Phil Violin John Hays Alan Barth and their use of the important technically

When you read about this in official sources, declassified documents and so on. You you'll hear the programme rarely ever mentioned in actual documents. We have one mention that will cite later, but then you will also hear it still described as a quote alleged operation but the. But what what did it do so we ve got that, like you said, though, we ve got a lotta unpack in wisdom, sort of mandate, but how did translate to actual things they did with journalist, there were ultimately this thing, we're calling operation Mockingbird. It was in influence campaign away two influenced all the media never meet a print media the television it was too and devise or threaten so carrot or stick journalists. To really put out the stories that the people running.

Operation wanted to actually be out there to be too, about around the water cooler to be things, It would generally be in the Zeit, Geiss or and this is really important when a big story would come out the operatives we're working, you know, led by Philip, Graham, there would be able to spin the news. In those big stories as they come out, we can put a little something on it before we know send it out into the world. That's a change to the way people are gonna view this particular story or- and this is probably the worst part to hide news stories from the public just to keep. Is it found unfavourable out of ears and eyes, yeah method. Cod catches kill where you basic like intercept the story and in some way or another influence it to not ever see the light of day, whether it through intimate

Sean tactics or bribery or any number of ways. Yes, gonna similar to the tactic, either the phenomenon known as the overturn window, which is sort of info seeing the bounds of what can be talked about. What is considered credible, or legitimate are valid conversation. Oh good examples of this would be the suppression of agent orange reporting for a while Another- I dont know if this is a solid example, but a good question to ask is why, they're more reporting about the health effects of odd it'd uranium, which has been used in firearm rounds, There should be more above in time? There wasn't the the organisations that the CIA acted, organisations and individuals. They were need to present, as you said, that the CIA view, the CIA also funded student and cultural organisations and used

Agatha as fronts. Not now verily specialised trade magazines, all the time or the kind of stuff you would see in a waiting room at your local doctors or dentists office, and then Is it developed kind like you said, no sort of franchise out, they would work to influence foreign media. They worked influence political campaigns in other countries, and this was all by the way this was all just like. Raby on the meat loaf that was other illegal CIA operations, already happening sorry for that painful Harrison, and I didn't get lunch today. So I'm very all the comparisons are like food base for right now, but we know we know that Wisner was a huge success. There's an author named Debra Davis, she wrote a book called Catherine

I am when she's talking about. Mr. She says by the early nineteenth fifties: Whistler owned respective members of the New York Times, news, weak CBS and other communications vehicles and they were, they were getting big name. Journalist lie to me its name, but will we ve got example of like at least one or two We sure do one of the most important journalists under the control of operation. Mockingbird was Joseph Alsace, who wrote articles for over three hundred different newspapers. He was far from the only Claire bad. The mocking bird project of influence, the sphere of influence that wise nerve held included journalists from the Your Herald Tribune Time Magazine Miami NEWS, the Washington STAR, Newsweek the Chattanooga Times I mean papers, large and small, no none were too insignificant. It is the whole idea was to influence broadly and

and also narrowly if needed. The list goes on according to a guy with Alex Constantine who wrote a book called mocking bird. The subversion of the free press by the CIA in the fifties he said to quote some three thousand salaried and contracts Yea employees were Shelly engaged in propaganda efforts, as that's not insignificant. I've been we talk, the idea of illegal CIA operations There's always interesting to me to hear that because you now isn't it like it's just exe. Illegal kind have rightly idea that its illegal, it's almost a misnomer kind of because it's like it Scobie got can the blessing from someone that's a very on how you know. I always wonder about that: yeah it. It's the russian old military industrial complex right now? Is there

you'll phrase Eisenhower was going to use, but it got out of his speech. Cerise mentioned Congress in it yea You know it's. There are so many moving parts to an organization the size of the? U S government that there had never really going to be contradictory agendas, and if you are able to pursue do. What you see is the greater good there's only one or two pesky laws. Stopping you, then wooden. You put doing the right thing over following some? Some sheaf of documents is rotting in a dusty hall in Euro, even if, documents are things like the: U S, constitution, I it's it's very easy for very intelligent people to rationalize all sorts of horrible behaviour, and this this goes into yet this goes into these version of the free press. That's exactly what

Matt, not. I appreciate you pointed out one of the most dangerous capabilities of operation mocking bird was too again, unlike legally required to say allegedly so was too legit Lee keep stories out of the news too. As you said, no catch and to kill wiser was able to stop newspapers from report reading the overthrow of the government of IRAN, at least for a while to prevent them reporting on the coup in Guatemala, which I wish also mention. Edward Bernice was instrumental in drumming up at least ideological support for this where this, where Eisenhower himself kind of, shows up Henry Luge Henry Lucia the owner at the time of a large media empire and the room We were a little bit different for him because he was a tycoon,

oh, he was a mobile. He wasn't just I wasn't just ahead. Working intrepid journalists. He became key in operation. Mockingbird, and because of his personal wealth and power, he was able to push his own agenda he really wanted a more right wing press. Central administration, and he did this because he thought it was the best way to fight com. So he was one of those guys who is always at the time saying way the Democrats are very very soft on communism in this nation is gonna fall if we these reds get in and and launch their fifth column or whatever. So he used his magazines in concert. Kind of with Operation Mockingbird to help get Dwight De Eisenhower elected president, and then a nineteen. Fifty three the web expands because Eisenhower appointed

appointed a family member of Henry Luge to become ambassador to ITALY. This was the first four american women Ambassador to a major country. So on the offset that seems like a very, very good thing: it's more representation in politics right, but they got there. Because in a dirty way, they took a dirty path to get there and then other members too, to your point about that too, about contradicting agendas. Other powerful people government, other members of other institutions started to come worry of the CIA. Is power even envious of it? Yes, This is we're going to talk about Canada. The fall of this operation, why it wasn't successful and why it allegedly doesn't continue Irena It is because our boy, J, EDGAR Hoover, was not happy with

how powerful the CIA had grown. He referred to why snares network as wise theirs gang of weirdos and then he actually started looking for dirt on the members of wise there's a gang of weirdos looking into their path. And didn't take him long to figure some of them had been active- surprise- surprise in oh heavens, to Bessie left wing politics back in the nineteen thirty's which is at that time was, was essentially tantamount to being a commie right, yeah, that's Joseph Mccarthy, who will dive into and a few trappers on the house on american activities. Committee. Joseph Mccarthy also started trying to target members of the CIA and say that they were security risk compromise. He claimed the CIA was a quote, sink hole of communists and he said,

get a root out, a hundred of them. One of his first targets was CORD Meyer who at that time, was still working. Still allegedly working for Operation Mockingbird, but, to put it bluntly, look Dorothy had no idea who he was messing with wise, unleashed mocking bird on Mccarthy Several members of the media there were also working on this operation drew piercing Merle Walter, Lippman and more. They went into attack mood their part of the Reason that Mccarthy got such damaging press coverage a good we're here to defend Mccarthy and he clearly became I flim Fair man who was out of his death, but the way we got there was, free- and it was orchestrated in part by this-

yea. There aren't a lot of good guys here. If the Euro, if you delve into the story and the U S, government was then attacking its own people and attacking its own. You know technically, so agenda, it's weird because it feels like the change in public opinion, your thing about Mccarthyism. I know we have outlined that, to its full extent, SAM pursued, what has been said we will later, but you, you may think, of the public support that Mccarthy had four rooting out. Com just in the way that he was in the inner ministration was at that time. There was such support for it or there is perceived support for it. In a lot of ways and then to have that perceived support, just complete, Lee, taken away by these very prominent voices with in the media industry. You can really see you could see it happening. I guess

and it's not something, it's in a way that I would have imagined if I'll just reading it in you know a history book the way it has been recorded, over all these years of issues you the wins the way of change. Cayman now, Mccarthy was out no. There was some assistance there allegedly the up- and this is where we get to open where we we ask ourselves what happened operation Mockingbird, eventually, all and evil things must come to an end right this. Operation had so many players. It couldn't be secret forever, is an open secret in the industry in the journalism industry by the late nineteenth sixties, it started was its cover in the seventies in a big because a Watergate, so the Watergate scandal exacerbated concern. About the power of intelligence agencies. This is early seventies. Nineteen. Seventy two nights in seventy four Congress was becoming concerned that the president would be

use the powers of the intelligence networks. Their own nefarious ends and then all its a powder keg moment when the fame reporters Seymour Hirsch publishes is nineteen. Seventy five expos ay I'll see I domestic surveillance, which your fellow listeners you, you ve heard us talk about that before long story short. This leads Congress to the rise, a series of investigations into the CIA from nineteen, seventy five to nineteen. Seventy six. They examined a ton of different operations, they all Fine CIA ties with journalists, as well as price, voluntary organizations, but none of these reports. Interestingly enough, specifically refer to operation Mockingbird. All the famous church Committee report, and was the quote. The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligent.

Send a times attempt to influence opinion through the use of propaganda, and this this is weird because the CIA already knew the heat was coming and they head. They had begun restricting their use of domestic, journalists and foreign journalists, at least according to then oh, like right as this was all hit the fat. So in nineteen. Seventy three, the former director of this year, William, CALL be told the church committee that he believed as a general policy v c. I won't be able to use clandestine operations. Anymore, won't be able to use staff to perpetrate these kinds of operations on: U S, publications as it sets out which have a substantial impact, is what he says quote or influence on public opinion, so he's essentially shutting this downright and just three years after that,

George Hw W Bush, who is then the CIA director Euro member of the Bush political dynasty. It later to be president, he said the following quote: effectively immediately. Cia will not enter into any paid or contractual relationship with any full time or part time news, correspondent, accredited by any new. U S, new service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station. So there we go. Problem solved right. Nineteen. Seventy six! On we are g to G that ashore for good to go we hit or are we we do have dimension. We cheese, the one specific mention of Operation Mockingbird in official docks. The family Jew the infamous family jewels master classification of CIA documents says the following in full. Here: it's interesting to see how they characterize mocking bird and

comes from and you will find this right now. If you're hanging out the black vault dot com is a quote from the sixth page that you'll find their project. Mockingbird telephone intercept activity was activity was conducted between twelve of March nineteen sixty three and fifteenth of June nineteen sixty three so very shortly they're in targeted to Washington, based newsman, who, at the time in publishing news articles based on and frequently quoting classify materials of this agency, the CIA and others, including topsecret and special intelligence, and you know that It sounds like a varied the operation right there to news men who have access to information that they probably shouldn't have or that, someone is feeding to them. Or that you know in some way. These guys are getting access to that secret information that they should not have it so they checked out. You guys they wiretapped them and they figured out what happened and then it was over right but

stopped right. I mean if there were these fine data are not doing this anymore. This they put the the breaks on this programme. So nowhere is everything all right yeah. That leads us to our conclusion. We wish it was a little bit different, because the answer, really that excellent question is not so fast. You know decades have passed since the mid seventies, but numerous people, some of your faithful, included, believe this programme never really stopped, and it's easy You see why a lot of people believe that this is the era of fake news. After all, maybe we even need the CIA to conduct this any more be the massive consolidation of media conglomerates alone, has led to more effective control forebore media than ever before. But the thing is you What is that that mention from family jewels talks about a project? Mockingbird we're talk

about an operation Mockingbird, that's that's the closest we could get and they sound like very different things. They saw it coming really different things. One is feeding information to the press. The other is trying to figure out The press is getting all this dang information, so maybe you may Operation mocking bird was happy thing, and then project mocking bird was to figure out what the heck is happening with operation. I mean honor because the people involved Robert Kennedy. Robert Mcnamara names that these people are directly with these tiny sniffer. We talked about Project Mockingbird Joseph Carol. Involved, I mean it's, it's just it so insane to imagine if operation, mocking bird was real, absolutely was real, just full stop and they were doing all these things

who, who knows exactly how many people were involved and would have information about this compartmentalized activity, No it's that whole thing where maybe the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing. And then the big question is, if you had this tremendous network, this infrastructure and you knew that you are on the verge of of discovery, technology that will give even more control. Why there would you walk away its? It is a question that can really be answered and, if dig into operation. Mockingbird you will. You will see that it still legally again an alleged operation, but there also there solid cut off date there, other than the like nineteen. Seventy statements are that we are. We in just a few minutes ago. You will not find an official end for this thing, because this thing doesn't officially really

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