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all time, favorite, weird huh cinema episodes, one we did on the robot jocks originally published on December twenty fifth, twenty twenty, that's for yeah. This one has a lot this. This movies just a lot of fun and it will supervise to discuss it and I think weirdly enough. It was our Christmas day episode in twenty twenty. So you know it feels good as well that this will be the final episode that we air in the year twenty twenty one. I have briefly mention this time. It is strangely appropriate in that a lot of the characters in the movie wear clothes of color scheme, that's kind of Santa Claus, very, like red and white. So yeah are not a red and white, then it's weird feels very surgical. In a way. that's some depictions of Santa Claus is headquarters and his workshop or are up our created. You know this idea that it is this places magical, but also a little a little sigh. Five yeah, the ones that are operated by the technical l of that has that have like computers and machines.

you mean the machine else. The machine l all right dive in welcome to stuff to blow your mind, production of heart, radio, pay, welcome too weird House, Cinema, mining drop lamp and I'm sure Mccormick, and I think this absurd is going to be publishing on Christmas day, which is quite apt, because If I'm not wrong. One of the biggest toy crazies of the christmases of yesteryear were transformers toys and, I think, transform there's also probably partially inspired the movie we're going to be talking about today? So it's very much like a like a toy robot Christmas celebration. Excepted in those toy robots were fighting it out for the future, Alaska trading

when the clutches of some like evil capitalist empire and a harsh soviet future state, that's right, yeah can it be talking about. Nineteen nineties robot jocks, which yeah. I am to understand the transformer craze helped inspire this, but you could also pre fairly com. This too, that the boxing robots in other, though other items offer moroccan telecom robe of robots tat is basically big League Rockets soccer robots of the future Yeah. Imagine so it's rock himself robots, but to settle territorial disputes between posts, clear, apocalyptic superpowers and there. like a hundred feet, tall yeah. This is it a Christmas movie without about dinner Christmas movie, then this came up in this was perfect. I will say that it is rated P, some of the people that made it talked about how it is for for children.

I did not watch this with my son. I guess I could have, but I'm old we're glad. I did not theirs, you know, there's a low but a language in their data, I'm a tv cut. This is think it easily be edited out, I'm sure, but still it's a very enjoyable. Sure I'm excited to talk about. This is one of those movies. That is its. I don't think it's for children, it's for its for adults in whom the child inside never died. Yeah. I think satellite. It has probably of the better way. Look added to hit the trailer audio. Let's do it.

It's a new age of combat human being medically engineered fighters in history to champions isn't over until someone with war with each other. I have already killed you two principal men Alexander here all damage, killing machine, I really love. This one owes is one of those with the I'm gonna. Kick your ex And sound, that's what I think has been used in various other cinematic trailers as well, but to great effect here: yeah so this was actually directed by somebody. You might not expect a bite by Steward Gordon, who is mainly known for love, crafty and

applications of this is not in any way connected the love craft. This is a giant robot, fight, movie, better and again it is. It is rated p d which, which certainly some of Stewart Gordon's most famous works, are not he's, probably best, remember for directing nineteen. Eighty five reanimate her and the nineteen eighty six from beyond, both just wonderfully weird adaptations of hp love craft tales that way, in their own crazy fleshy directions. He also made a love craft adaptation confusingly called day gone, which came out in the year two thousand one, which is the name of a love craft story. But it's not really an adaptation of that story. It's more and adaptation of the ship, over intimates, which has a different love craft story. That movie I I remember kind of liking, even though I dont know, if I would say it's good right, it term

Member at the time when I watched it, I remember thinking, while this is not an accurate depiction of an HIV Lovegrove story, but especially now, I'm kind go good. It went off in all these artists, it's good that they went off in their own directions and became their own crazy. Weird thing like, I think it too place in Spain. In modern day men sexual he exists in it. That sort of thing you save one of the major contribution Its due regard, Steward Gordon's love, craft films and also in other work of of Brian, does not, who worked with often then entered they inject sexuality into the service horror worlds, the other rather sterile, originally yeah the kind of beer. An hateful landscape of the original love craft is a little bit enlivened by that by the Gordon touch yeah there, Another thing I really like about Dagon, though I remember thinking it's just merely a visual touch, which is that the cut

palette of the film is very like blue in green everywhere, but the main character wears an orange sweater throughout the movie, and I just remember thinking that was a great vision. decision and it really looks fun throughout the whole movie. That's cool monsters, as I recall two they went with them like the double fend. Mermaid Creature. No I well let's, but so these are some of the most. I think noteworthy, Stuart, Gordon Films, but so did a lot of other stuff did mention already, but he did pass away earlier. This year he lived nineteen, forty seven through twenty twenty, but here he directed a lot of stuff. Science fiction, such as ninety ninety nine hundred space truckers and Brian, yes, now and Edna how he created honey. I shrink the kids for Disney they were the original and creators and done they have script, writing credits on that project and any subsequent. So when you see the next honey I shrunk, the kids reed

What have you you're gonna see their names again? Ok, I don't think I've seen any real sent Stuart, Gordon Stuff I haven't either. He seemed to have branched out a lot later in. Career, getting further away from some of the really like obvious John stuff, such as a two thousand. Five drama film, titled, Edmund starring, William H, Macy and written by David Mammoth US hope the ultimate. We had a very varied career and worked on a lot of different types of stuff, though hard and, I think are always going to remember him best from some of those those early gory. Nineteen, eighty love craft adaptations yeah now one thing, that must be said about robot jocks is that it is a very zany cliche, ridden robot, slugs, that is in many ways, just excellent and delightful, but is also an o ye

could make many extremely legitimate criticisms of the script, and yet it was written by a like revered science fiction. Author, that's right, Joe Haldiman, the author of the Hugo award winning nineteen. Seventy four military science fiction, novel the forever war. Now I had not had not read this one before, but I picked it up after watching watching. Jocks last week and I've been reading it I'm finished it yet, but it's a re interesting book very much a book of its time in many ways, especially concerning enough sort of like a ginger ideas and, and so forth. It's essentially a Vietnam story, Vietnam, memoir even written by an hour, who, having just received a backwards in physics, invisible in astronomy was me, we drafted in the: U S, army and nineteen sixty seven as a combat engineer, that's Haldeman's story. He was subsequently wounded, received a purple heart and the four

Ever war seems to reflect all of this, except dealing with futuristic lawyers cast into the armed conflict in a distant star system, up slew, a different star systems an unknown alien enemy in them, character and add a gentleman millennium of Mandela is also a physicist who finds himself drafted into a war. Only this time. It's against the so called torrents who are these? It is aliens that nobody really has a clear picture of real or understanding off as their starting out So it's again very much a product of its time quite interesting, quite influential. It's a solid power, armor military science fiction yarn very much in the same, in keeping with stuff, like I'm starship, troopers end and so forth, but it has a focus on first of all, the fizz, other worlds in the physics of space travel as well as, of course, psychology of the soldiers experience, and if you think

some things are very popped up in it. There is some italian, the perils of fighting around frozen hydrogen honour. The world's there's discussion, how time dilation impacts war. So you encounter the enemy one day and you you're too. Knowledge is superior to them, but then the new still counter you have with them. Their technology is years ahead of yours because of time- dilation and travel at speeds approaching light, because Europe preacher now of their past and denizens of what was your future. That's very. listing so like every time you travel to meet your opponent, they get a leg up on you because they have more time to prepare than you do yeah. So that's really interesting and gets into the use of hypnotic suggestion to invoke xenophobic hatred and soldiers and I, and but on top of that seems to spend a lot of time focusing on what it means to be envelop by the war machine, how it changes your life, how it affects psyche. and how, in the forever war it also

Co, op sexuality, as well as individuality, is just kind of like this. All consuming force on your life, resting, because I feel like what you're just talking about comes through, maybe not so much in the original novel, but in the pall very open movie adaptation of starship troopers yeah I've. I understand that. Forever war is often brought up, is kind of a counterbalance to the largely pro war narrative of the original novels should troopers, which I have also read. But honestly, don't remember much about it other than some of them in the cool power armor battles that we're going so how do Haldeman and Stuart Gordon Get teamed up to make this ridiculous robot slugfest movie? I itself Only the what happened is say. Parliament wrote this book and it was a huge success and critically acclaimed and Haldeman and Stuart

chatting with each other and working on putting together a film adaptation of the forever war, and they were. Roy excited about it, but it never came together. I think that the way they described it is light Reagan was alive. and then kind of like things, change this funding for the arts and therefore the project never came together, but it led to this project Haldeman working on the script that would ultimately become robot, jocks directed by Stuart, Gordon apparently there was a fair amount of disagreement between the two is the project rolled on, which is, he's been summed up at times is Haldeman wanting to create a movie for adults that kids could also enjoy, and wooden wanting to create a movie for kids that adults could enjoy, and they that, creating not exactly either one rough. It gets kind of a hybrid of the two which again perfectly enjoyable, but its morph more a film that the inner child

and the inner adult can both enjoy or kind of fight over here here's a bit from Haldeman's blog aware. He talked about this. He said I did the mechanics he's talking about as the title he stood. Gordon insisted on rowboat job. Finally, wound are being robot jocks after the people who did Robocop asked whether we wanted to spend a lot of dreary time in court. I would try change, the science into something reasonable stir would change it back to Saturday morning, cartoon stuff. I tried to make evil reasonable characters and Stuart would insist on throwing in cliches and characters it specially annoying, because it was a story about soldiers, and I was the only person around who'd ever been one in four. He was right and I was wrong, but it wasn't until we were actually shooting the movie that that became clear, interesting? I mean you can absolutely feel this tension in the movie when you watch it because it will alternate between moment that almost kind of actually work as as thoughtful

its fiction there'll, be like moments of dialogue, that kind of thoughtful and interesting, and then it just immediately like throttles back into hilarious, absurd, cliche, siphoned mode yeah. You can get whiplash at times from it cause you're like a man that was really beautiful and Something else happens and you like that was goofy, but but again. Like I started, I started thinking. I try to sort of divide these two possible films in my head, and I was thinking, are what if what? If this, actor was played by a different actor and it was more of a serious role is more of a soldier role like Haldeman would have written Maybe maybe you bring in some like MIKE Liar inside play in instead of a cartoon. Cowboy wicked, then bet and I was thinking that would be good, but it, but then again it wouldn't be robot jocks, like there's the ultimate for the picture like the The absurdities in the contradictions are one of the most

what things about owner or I wouldn't change a thing about robot, jocks, robot jocks- is exactly the thing it should be. I absolutely would not change it. I mean robot. Jocks is the kind of film for which weird how cinema exists. Something then that cannot cannot just be raised as a normal kind of successful movie that is in some sense absurd or failure, but is absolutely worth talking about an and has things to be appreciated. Yeah, and I and I think, on the serious end of the spectrum on Haldeman into the spectrum, even though I think he ultimately, I considered it a disappointing child from a creative standpoint, I feel like there. There are elements that totally ring. True, you get the sense of the absurdity of war, a vast war machine on military industrial, complex that just so everything in and in this film collapse reproduction. Yeah, yeah yeah. There's a lot of talk about here,

What one more thing I will say about it is that the ending of This film, I think, is a genuine triumph in both senses in which the movie works. It actually is a surprising narrative conclusion that I was kind of like while it's amazing they did that, but it's also hilarious in and unintentional way. Yeah so lately like it, it seems to like it it seems like they are too different. Films competing for co existence at the end of the film those too. Visions come together and fish bump each other and works. So maybe talk about the cast our I well our main character, and this is a killer, played by Gary Gram? I think a lot recognize Gary grandmother has been around for a long time a main place. I knew him from due to all my time watching I find channel back in the day is Gram was on the alienation tv series. He played detective Matt Psych Son, that yeah

I dont know what I recognized him from, but he ll looks like a sort of combination of other existing actors so that Canada helps him seem very familiar to me. He was a three way if they made it of Scott Glenn Gallagher and build up Thornton put those. in a blunder. And that's him, that's it that's that's him and I don't know a lot about got him in his work, but in this particular film be does a good job. I have no no complaints about his acting is perfectly serviceable as the lead and inaction Phil. I would his name Gary Graham, is so close to the name Garrett Gram of who, of course, was in shopping, mall and who played beef in. phantom of Paradise in this movie- could only possibly have been improved by swapping four Garrett, Graham We have been interesting, get in

I feel, like you dear at grand, would have had a lean into like sleaze. Your version of Achilles, while yes, as late as a natural sleazy, are in a lot of the roles that he has so acutely Achilles is the hero of the movie, and he is the titular robot jock. He is one of these pilots who drives around these giant MAC, robots and and its it out, and I guess we'll get in to more of the plot mechanics and setting when we do the full plot breakdown. But imagine this guy we're talking about like sitting in the pilot seat of a giant MAC warrior yeah and he is the Ass, he is, he is the best robot jocks jock that this particular faction has at their disposal right. But there are some up and coming robot jocks. Who, who may be could rival his greatness and probably the most promising of them? Is a young robot jock named Athena right and she's played I am very Johnson

He was on the in the heat of the night tv show that I mainly remembers being a show that my grandfather watched all the time. I watched a bite. Ray Johnson she's been around forever has done a lot of work, and I understand, has also been heavily involved in the screen actors. also Major name especially be an actor. You probably are familiar with it now. I think there are There are a couple of rules that really make this movie by adding in a level of cartoonish Innis that I think clashes with whatever serious thing Haldeman may have been going for, and I would say that the of the two main super cartoon characters. Is the villain the film. cinder. Who is, I think, supposed to be Ivan radio from Rocky for yeah yeah a strong sense of that. He is he is our russian villain, our russian super man. That's that fights! I should say enough in this giant.

that has an amazing design, but his interestingly less human inform us humanoid compared to the MAC used by our hero. So even though its not forego Africa with actions or even called, but it's not call the? U S verses the Soviet Union. This is supposed I'll take place after warfare, a comment or something something needs wrecked. The world. There is a nuclear war. There is a nuclear war that like wiped out huge parts of humanity and then, after the nuclear war, two main superpowers which again arduous apparently basically the United States in the Soviet Union, but the United States is called the market, and so the union is called the confederation or the confidence right yeah. So these the two main main factions, but the other. Essentially the? U S future. You ask versus Future Soviet Union and this this particular robot. Jocks of Jacques Player LAW is boy back Paul costs low, who live in forty four through two thousand nineteen. He was

german canadian actor, whose in a lot of tv back in the day, but also some key seventies. Colt films get us supporting role in nineteen seventy ones. The omega man, ok, is which is a very profound yeah. His russian accent in this is so awful it every time he talks. I couldn't stop laughing it's on the level of like you know he like It's up his opponents in the bar for a drink why's that happening by the way we should talk about that we get in the lot but like so he Achilles are drinking at the bar together and he's like your drink. It makes me think of LA yeah yeah I mean the ugly again he was german canadian need. There did you know end, and this is not his natural accenting IDA. Looking up cause he's been in some other, like key film, like vanishing point from seventy one iota as looking into something that claim to be as his real on Youtube, and yet these ease seems good,

things, but he's he's never using a russian accent, except in this film, where it can off, is like a Saturday night live or world wrestling federation level of believe ability, yeah yeah. He would like a wrestler called the tsar played by a guy from New Jersey now living said, he's he's very fun in this role, but the accent is is not believe I literally think the one I just did to make fun of. It was better than the one he uses in the movie ok, but then we gotta get to our other main cartoon character from the movie. This one the character of tax tax, Conway played by an actor named Michael all, dredge yeah, this, oh, my goodness, so this character text Conway These are heroes. Trainer he's is mentor. He's a former robot jocks champion in his own right who, who once and he battles in the past.

Man. He is a written toot in Texas stereotype, with a cowboy hat lot of, futuristic jumpsuit yeah, so about he's book Strickland in in a red and white jumpsuit talking about where you get the lasers calibrated and he, so he specifies that he was a former like you say he was a former robot jock himself like one of the greatest that ever lived and that his Jacques his jockeying, his robot piloting, one the area of Campeachy I, which I guess his Cambodia for for the market, so you got to imagine: ok, they're capitalist now, and it's all because tax yeah, yeah yeah, He also reminds me of the rich texan character from the Simpsons. Yes, pops up from time to time so it is a very cartooning role of, but at richly enjoyable role, AIDS, the time he's on the screen. It's it's wonderful

in an alderman hid himself as an actor who just a regular tv player back in the day like you just speak scroll through I d, be a page in its just everything that was on television with with some notable title serve tooth allow like murder. She wrote Dallas of key the eighteen he was on There are many series of IE, so yeah he wasn't tons of stuff is well in his greatness, as we, as we go on. We should also be thinking about like who should be cast in each roll for our twenty twenty one remake of robot jocks, and I think, there's pay obvious choice that you'll ended on for the new casting of tax. I think this was you. This was a! U right used are none of you. Will you brought up buxter? when who is voiced by Stephen Route Right Stephen rate, we would be perfect for this role, because you know he's graded. Yuck ended up so is superb at also having a kind of streak of darkness which plays into tax Conway's characters. Well right,

All right. Let's see, who else do we want to talk about it? In the end? The connections here well see, there's a character name doktor Matsumoto play by Danny Chemico part of that here. the scare. Despite the tat team, asleep This is a solid performer who did a lot of a lot of things most notably the karate kid he was in that, but he also apply in nineteen. Ninety three robot wars directed by Albert Band, will get them in a minute. Same production, company company also giant robots, sometimes marketed as a sequel. To this film, let not directly related to robots ass. One was not enough. People needed more robot jocks. We always do there's a fun cameo in this we mentioned reanimated earlier and the beyond well Jeffrey, come comes the love, crafty and authority himself. The Bible the icon shows up is this though one of the the Robo jocks robot jocks fans That are cheering on know, what's happening, oh yeah,

occasionally we get some shots of the proletariat. You know they just though the regular society what they think about the ongoing that they treat the robot jocks battles, basically is a sporting event rather than a major geopolitical conflict and end there. is a great seen were watching a couple of the Poles watch, the the robot jocks announcements on tv for some reason, their wearing the hats that members of House Fray, where I don't know where that comes from yet That is an interesting wrinkling in this though, where ITALY Geopolitics as pure entertainment, to a large section of the populace so we other there again. Another area where the show get sir. This movie gets a bit midi before it gets goofy again,

now, one thing we see in the credits and the beginning of this movie is that it is definitely a Charles band production and that name. My few have watched a lot of trashy eighties movies. That name shows up a good bit yadda. I. Yeah, I'm not hesitate to spend too much time on him here because I know will come back to do some pictures that we actually directed by Charles banned in or out and but briefly we'll talk about the band family. Here there there there's their history begin with the artist MAX band who live lived, ninety no one's uniting. Seventy four born in Lithuania lived in France and then made a move to California. His son Albert Band, who lived twenty four through out. to become a filmmaker. He was assistant director on John Houston's, the asphalt jungle and then in nineteen fifty anyone the direct bunch of genre films, including I bet, the living from fifty eight D, Gila dog from seventy eight and ghoulish, from a nineteen eighty, seven,

so he's already be cinema loyalty. But then his son is Charles Band. Who again we ve mentioned before on the show he's the man behind First Empire international pictures that put out robot, jocks and then full moon features. He directed some really awesome, Eightys and Ninetys. I fight horror films before going Creasy firmly in the evil bomb direction, which isn't quite my thing, but you know you can't argue a success or do you like demon bond movies, yea either you evil bong like one through how romantic ginger dead man. That sort of yeah, ok, I cannot stress enough that his earlier pictures are often what more serious and in a really interesting will definitely come back to something Charles Band directed in the future, but again, evil bond direction seems to have been very successful for ok trousers, either by the way. Is Richard Banned, a composer who worked on a lot of form and pictures?

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sl dot com. no thing. I will say about this movie that I do just tat: Leon ironically enjoy, is all of the the robot fights, including, I think, there's some start motion animation and I think, there's probably also some like people in suits Muslims. the tree at it. I get the feeling that both are at play at different times. I could be wrong about but whatever they were doing, I really enjoyed the robot effects like date that it's not like, they look realistic. They don't, but there that kind, the non realistic, highly stylized, great old school practical effects that I just a door the absolutely, and so it is not surprising that you have some be. You have at least a couple big names in this one it stood out. Was this guy Steve Burg, who is a conceptual designer human into workin? The art department a number of big films, big cipher properties like

articles Riddick Alien, three via thin, the martian interstellar Prometheus leviathan. You sail that's right? We talked about it. Yet that's right! We talk about the shit before One of the nineteen was at eighty nine. Was it the year when, like five ever an underwater terror movies, came out. I think that with the underwater terrier yeah, I want to come back leviathan cause. Is this a lot of fun stuff going on in that picture, or we should do a whole series of weird? How cinema, where we just do one after another, we do Leviathan Deep STAR six lords of the deep. We were like round up the whole crew who, but it's like diving, deeper into the ocean, Joe, that that the deeper you go on that playlist, though the greater the pressure at the hall, it is to come out without doing harm to your body, because yet there

the the underwater films that come to mind and knew the ones you have to sort a hunt for from that same year. They just get progressively harder, should remember lords, the deep really not much happens in it like Moses Movie is just watching people sit in a chair and say like their common. For us, the lords of the deep is probably the point in in anybody's attempt to watch all the underwater movies of eighty nine, where they realise that their eyes are bigger than their stomach but one of the huge names on this picture on robot jocks that helped create these careful start motion effects David Alan did start motion animation and visual effects director of credits on this. So this is I think this is the real star of the movie awesome name in the start motion animation field. He sadly died and ninety ninety nine at the age of fifty four, but he will dawn the howling on Willow ghostbusters to you. Sherlock Holmes in all this.

films. It had some wonderful stop motion work in them, I believe, and then he did a ton of choice. ban full moon productions, providing that the story so to stop motion work that really set some of those films apart, so he's the man behind the cool animation in laser blast in cue, the wings serpent and in various other films like whereby oftentimes films, where there's not much else notable about it, but just as some real eye catching stop motion, effect, yeah. I would say that probably true about laser blast, except that laser blast is pretty funny cue, the wind serpent. That's all that different! I mean that's got that that that Cohen Energy, like it didn't, there's that there's a pretty fun script, underneath one in addition to the great stop motion effects yeah When did when David Alan died? He was still working on a picture called the prime evils, and it was was never finish on. This was gonna, be to step up the can all school start motion animation, her fast but area. He died before

finish it, but around two thousand. Seventeen Charles Band, announced that it would be completed and released twenty nineteen and I think they got pushed back to twenty twenty and then, of course, things and twenty twenty were pushed back or released in a weird fashion, so I dont think it's actually come out yet. But if you look around for information about the prime evils of film you'll see some clips from it and it looks really awesome. So I do hope that finally comes to light. Well, are you to jump into a full breakdown of the plot and then maybe talk a lot by low, but a weird science in and the ideas in the movie, let's do it. Ok, sweet. We can start with the opening credits which really set the scene so at the very first thing you panting ovary, snowy, field of dead robots and mechanical debris, and remember: I was watching this with Rachel. She was like, as this Christmas movie is a height very much seems like a combination of the Terminator and Rudolf the Red Nose reindeer. Yes a voice over narration while you yet the terminator fall

credits The voice over says it has been fifty years since the nuclear holocaust almost destroyed mankind war is now outlawed. good idea area. Nobody ever thought of it before just making illegal so they specify well way with war outlawed. How do you settle disputes between these superpowers, between the market and in the confederation? Well, they say that territorial disputes are now settled by single combat, and They go on to explain here at the confederation playing field in Siberia and they recounted the these robots piloted by robot, jocks fight it out in whichever robot in and their corresponding jock wins. The do you know too, to the victor. Go the spoils so, like you might be fighting over. Who gets control of Campeachy IA. and end the winner in

case apparently was the market with their with old text, Conway piloting his MAC and oh, they get control of the land, and then you immediately cut to the present from here. Where there is like a an ongoing fight between Alexander, who we mentioned before the like villain, the russian Robot Jock and a market robot jack, who I think has may be named Ajax. I could be wrong about that. Is bidding a guy in a red and white jumpsuit with a black eye and a bloody lip lying in the cockpit of his robot his robot has been destroyed and he's trying to throw in the towel is like pleading for mercies. As Alexander you win Alexander. I can't move, I think my back is broken. Alexander, just coldly says judgment I would like judgment. It's very very much if he dies, he dies Ivan Diego thing and then He just stops on it made uses,

robot to stamp on Ajax and kill him and its victory for the confederation fine behind in fact, is that I believe that the start motion animation. We see in this alter this opening encounter with was actually originally test footage that was used again and Sir Charles Band. They could make the picture. Oh that's, listing. So, maybe that's why it's an indifferent setting than the rest of what good name movie. The battle is a victory for the confederation and I'm not sure exactly what their fighting over. In this case, and and again, yeah Ajax, like I yield mercy and Alexander's like too bad, and he just smashes him and then Zander looks into the camera and says you're next curly disease Got it out for Achilles, I guess, because Achilles is the best and he wants to defeat him. Yeah yeah he's all about. superiority and proving himself in battle

and so next we cut to the market robot job command centre. It's like mission control for four robot jocks, where the allied robot jocks in their friends, watched in horror as Ajax, is stopped by the bought and find out that Alexander has killed nine of their guys now and it his and there's immediately talk about why this is it's because there's a spy- and I feel like this, great. You know set this up right at the beginning that there's a betrayer in their ranks. Somebody keeps giving the confederation advance information about the new weapon systems that they bring on line in their robots right and, of course there you only have what five characters with names, the other you're. So so you know you don't have to have that many choices here to go on, but you'd you easily and see. One of them is a spy and part of the funds. The films gonna be trying to figure out who that spites right

so they are so so there are various people hanging out you get to meet some of the characters, one of them. Of course, his text Conway, who have talked about before tax, is a killer strainer and he's? As we said, a former robot jock himself, who had been very sick? swollen, ultimately victorious now. I guess he's retired and he's here the the Burgess Meredith teaching Rocky out a fight. Oh, and we also find out that they are fighting over Alaska, the fighting for control of Alaska, I'm not sure, why they want it so bad. But that's that's what the dispute is right. We maybe it's the first step and then subsequently conquering other areas that belong to the market. But I we find out that Achilles is the only robot jock left that Alexander has killed all of the other market robot jocks seems like they should have had more, but

They are making more will get to that in the second, then, from should control you cut straight to a sparring scene, where they ve got achilles in a circle of people all around him. All these, like people in in pad, surround him an attack in one at a time, so he can fight them off its like that seen in the chinese connection, where were Bruce Lee goes to the japanese, martial arts, school and surrounded by people in the circle, and they all come in one at a time and yes fight him off. except everybody here is wearing goofy looking red pads, not only pads, though Joe. There also ring jumpsuits, because this film is celebration of futuristic jumpsuits there like multiple different varieties of jumpsuit, and they seem to be whoever in charge of jumpsuits did a good job of pudding. Together and making them look. Quality and am in keeping track of who should be wearing what which I love, because I realized it more and more

watching this film there's something I love about science fiction films. I love a good jumpsuit, be it the agenda sued in something like MR signs, theatre, three thousand and her or or or any other science fiction. Film like in the future. There will be jumpsuits and you will be assigned to jump soon. Everybody's outlawing. Even tat, Sir Text Conway's we're in this big, ridiculous, bright jumps it yet the red and white jumpsuits, that's the zone, the market, whereas red and white jumpsuits and the confederation, whereas I think, yellow and black jumpsuits. I think it's right, so we Gary, Graham the Achilles fighting. All these. people and he does quite well, except others, one fighter who really puts up a good fight against him, It turns out that this this fighter is Athena who, at first I thought her name was Pacino the way they were saying it, but we find out that of these fighters or maybe all of them, are something

this is again something I couldn't understand what they were saying at first, but it becomes clear they are what the character refer to as to bees in the scene text, makes his prejudice against multiple types of people clear its clear. He does not like to bees and he also states his opinion that women will never be jocks, so there will never be a woman robot jock. Yes, he also doesnt seem to like gum. Japanese people, yes Texas, just full of prejudices, and oh, you didn't, but then so people are wondering what are these two bees? Why doesn't texts like the two bees and what are they professor alive? lost shows up- and I love her. She is all business. She shows up she's this, the small older lady who is, currently like that, the markets greatest geneticist greatest scientist and she's there to collect dna samples from all the great robot jock. So she like gives these tubes to

who achilles and attacks in his like. I need your genetic material because just developing what she calls gin jocks, which, as far as I can These are these are Eugene. Please created perfect robot jock soldiers that are that are created through an, true fertilisation, and there is there is like theirs. A to b race. In this movie, the people they're calling to bees are these people who are who are a product of in vitro fertilisation, which they regard in the film is this like bizarre, futuristic thing, even those it is already being done at the time the movie was made yards in SL. First of all, that not a lot of detail is Roy provided about how their supposedly doing this like or they are, they grow. to bees, at the rate, would actually created a breed new people through a process like this there, some sort of Sci FI speeding up of the process, you know

Is this a boys from Brazil or is this attack of clones? I can't tell all the way through it seems like in this movie. The con of two bees is invoked because its it sounds. Futuristic, it's almost as if its being written about by someone who didn't may didn't even know what was actually involved, I'm not sure right, yeah lay I Monaghan Haldeman level. I think it works perfectly as this idea that, like the military industrial complex ends up absorbing collapsing reproduction itself, like it did. That makes sense within his his seeming world view of of of the military engine. But yet also Harkin's to a time when when there are a lot of headlines and certain sort, amount of fear mongering and even moral panic about the idea of TEST Tube Davy Zia, so perhaps some of our listed remember that hysteria, because I felt we see less. that now specifically yeah yeah, I mean I think it's the

This movie is weirdly projecting into the future a kind of temporary, irrational stigma that arose from culture at a particular time like in the late eighties, early nineties. Yeah because was will again a test to babies refers to is in vitro fertilisation and in vitro means within the glass, but the process doesn't actually take place. Test to, but rather in a petri dish he's fertilized in in a petri and when it is three to five days old, transferred to a uterus, and today this is mainstream granite. expensive, but it's a mainstream reproductive choice, the term its However, this is interesting test to babies. Coined in the nineteen thirty's to refer to artificial insemination ha so in in both it is, we can t just taste the moral panic. guarding some sort of new reproduction trend and in of cases. These are things that you for the most part quickly. It could became normalized,

is also interesting that there's like a brief gag in the film about just the idea of them of sperm, nation, as well as oh yeah, in and of itself as this ridiculous, like yuck it out the kind of us in area. Yet ex goes like your years. My dna make no to raise our yet it it that's exactly out, went so yeah anyway. Another case of science fiction doing what science fiction often does, but it certainly is the bit silly now given the mainstream acceptance of IVF yeah but but the two bees remain a major theme in the film and and, as I said in La Ploss, announces to everybody that there this basically a to b race between the between the superpowers and each one is creating their own robot jock super soldiers and sewed, there's like the car an escalation back and forth was

are we so we meet some of the two bees and man. If you watch this movie, though they will say the word to bees until it loses all meaning. There is just so much talk about to bees in this movie, but we meet some of the young young soldiers and and of course, Athena though one we're talking about earlier, whose is a major character in the film and then we see Alexander, doing a threat video for Achilles this kind of like those wrestling promos where Vienna wrestler would come out and say like next week. I'm gonna destroy you in the cage, but then, after that, we we get a view of them. The populace at large, just people hanging out in the street watching on big public tv screens, the ongoing us, of the of the robot jocks conflict in this. So this is where we see the deeds in the house for a hat, but also most people we see in this movie, who are outside at any point, are wearing masks which was kind of strange to watch this year. I dont think they're working

asks for any disease control reason. My bed gases that so it's The setting that the world they live in is is after a nuclear war has taken place so my guest. it supposed to be that there are radio New Clyde's everywhere and that the masks are to help prevent people from inhaling radioactive particles. I dont know if that would be an effective in reality, but I think that at least the reason that there be shown wearing yeah. It is interesting to watch that this year could so many films and tv as I've watched this year, I'm just constantly thinking to myself. Why are they standing so close to each other? Why is no and wearing a math? Aha, he knows what is illogical as it is to expect that in a film for ten twenty years ago, right as opposed to outside the normal world, where it is, it is perfectly reasonable to it

so it's coming down to the big fight right is gonna, be Achilles versus Alexander, so we see Achilles get into his robot and it's like getting ready for rocket launch, there's like a launch platform, and there is all the staff getting everything ready, he's wearing his jump sued in his helmet and Nobody, instead of break a leg, they say crash and burn. That's the good luck saying and in fact they specify in the movie that it is bad luck to say, good luck, just like in a theater well we're watching it. Rachel made some good joke it. She said some like we call it. The conference play mighty got that wrong on the delivery, but anyway, Achilles gets into a giant optimists, Prime, and of course, that there a bunch of kids who call Achilles on a videophone before he goes into battle. I think they're his his brothers, many children and or his brother in law. Maybe his sisters, husbands anyway. So much people call him on a videophone. They wish him good luck.

And then so he goes into battle, and then we get one of the first big like full. Stop motion animation, fight scenes to see what the robots do when they fight, and I love the effects in the scene. You get these these sort of like go down the list of trying out each of their weapons on each other electoral. Try that new green laser pair and this scene, I is just great like it. It's not like it looks realistic, but that's not the point. It looks excellent and I have to say that the Vienna patient style that they use established, animation and in the suits as well. They create a very clunky sort of movement, which I think really works well in the film, because we were used to sing some giant robot battles in more recent things, like the Pacific RIM, movies and so forth, and there's a lot of fluid modern action in those terms, but I feel like the clunky action in this works

worked really well because it, it did, does feel like colossal machines. Doing very specific things. the stakes are really high like There is no wasted. Movement and we'll get into some other than the physical challenges of of the idea of giant. Means, battling each other in a bit, but but I ultimately really like the kind of clunky and deliberate move, motions that happen in these battles. Yes, and so the battle ends with a horrific tragedy, so they sort of fight each other to draw, but then than Alexander tries to do something dirty and fire a fire projectile weapon at a part in the match. When he's not supposed to do that, and it looks It's gonna hit the stands of spectators. I dont know why there were stands of wives, spectators value. This is it's a power claw. It's like a powerpoint yeah, exactly like launches, though, that the fist of the robot an Achilles is like no other people to two reference. Superman forty. He goes. No, the people any dives in front of it before it can hit the stands, but

guess he should have anticipated this. The power claw hits him and same back and he falls on the stands. Crushing tons of people in and killing them, and there is, I am not sure trying to put my finger on what exactly so funny about this, but this stuff aging of the horrific mayhem that we see in the aftermath of him falling on the stands is hilarious, they're all His bought blow bodies all over the place, but for some reason it looks so funny- and I think maybe it's because the bodies are all kind of like perfectly evenly space depart from each other. It just looks staged in a really funny way. I didn't get that is but I was thinking while I well. I don't think the boy needed to see their certainly address it. We didn't watch it one. Can anybody the about that scene, though, is apparently audio from it is used in the creation was used in the creation of the ninety two nails track, the becoming off with the downward spiral.

which I'd never picked up on that before. But it it turns out like that out. as much as we might think of the downward spiral is just going being this. This industry We all know deep gothic, phallic oriented dub plunge into the psyche its Ultimately celebration of a vast science fiction. when the day, because you ve got samples from robot jocks. At all from Tee Ajax eleven thirty, eight from Leviathan Angel Heart TAT. Chainsaw massacre alien, the elephant, man and sorcerer. The truck movie gathered truck mood, the remainder of wages, a fear that had the awesome I mean just amazing, tangerine dream soundtrack. You had me leviathan,

so next thing in the movie we get to see what their international criminal court, or whatever it is, looks like in its just deeds in referee outfits, which will take these. These referees are now settling international disputes who appoints them. Where do they come from? I don't know I assume it supposed to be some sort of United Nations type thing, but yeah they have this cool floating vehicle dislike hover hovering referee vehicle that they use, which sprinkle but their wearing. Literally the black and white stripe referee outfits and there the out there like justice there, like judges, presiding over a trial in which both sides are presenting arguments about why they technically one this match in which a bunch people got crushed and it turned out. The referees decided is inconclusive and there will have to be a rematch in one week and of

Alexander loves the sea. He cries out in the trial is as yes one week. I kill you dad Achilles is very sad because he does not want to fight any more. He says I did my contract, ten fights, that's it so He he's like. I won't do anymore. I retire in Alex, and are calls immorality says coward. You lost your nerve, while he's also really torn up about all the people that died when he waved his robot fell into the stand right. Yes, that I think it's understandable like these. Like I'm down, I don't any more than what the two these handle it and to these, of course, a light. Yes, let us in there. This is all we ve been raised today out there so excited the to bees are our love and at one of them is gonna get to fight. So what the two boys says Achilles as a coward for retiring, but up Athena is not having it. She stands up for four achilles and Athena is like he's. Not a coward. and then we get an argument with the mark

commissioner, I guess he's like Achilles, is boss, said Anne measure exactly what he supposed to be. But he is in charge of the robot jocks for the markets, IDA guessing he tries to Argue it we getten, like squabbling, or what the contract means he's like. You have an act, finish your contract, because you didn't finish tin fights the last one was inconclusive and it isn't over until someone wins, and then, achilles response. I dont know what this line means. He responded by saying you sound like one of your damn to bees. What But what is the meaning of that No, I guess insisted the two bees utterly indoctrinated into this. This idea of of warfare- and you know like- the new generation has raised for knows nothing else and has ended hey it's kind of like they represent like youthful eager for in an almost innocence before the battle, and, of course he

the veteran he's been through. It he's come out the other end and and knows that bear is horrible right so. I guess the next thing that we get to. Is this really amazing seen it's it's like there's a dance party in a bar that includes tax dancing with a woman. Then it's hard describe you just need to see this scene, it's like the scene in message from space where they have their canteen equivalent, the it it is a party that must be witnessed, guides the fun canteen a thing So, while the Stance Party is going on in the background, Achilles now depressed is in the bar. Getting blackout drunk he's doing this thing. Where he's drinking the alphabet so he's going down the alphabet drinking a drink for every letter the old man, is made his way to J and the bartender suggests a jewel up while allow this This is an interesting concept that I kind of glossed over watching the film.

Certainly not advisable for a single evening now, but I wonder what would be the proper way to drink the alphabet? It would be kind of interesting to make that list and pick out a particular cocktail for each one. What starts with a give me one, alcohol, please, but so he's sitting there and then all the to bees come in and their young and full of excitement and vigour and they try to cheer Achilles up talking about how the date of this was great. the way they try to cheer him up. As they talk about hey the audience members in the stands signed releases. You know they agreed to be there. They knew what the risks were. You shouldn't feel bad the day at the two bees have just bought every line that the market, as has told them. Yes, I believe at all absolutely They like they actually read the fine print and they love it, they're all on board, with with every bit of the contract and then

Alexander shows up in this is one of multiple scenes in the movie, where the characters are drinking in this bar that they share with the opposing side, and I dont know how to do so. So the miss that's going on is that the confederation is constantly winning these fights because of info security. Leaks on the market side like there are spies in everybody's concerned about how people are finding about the new weapons systems on the market robots. But then, at night, Two different sides just go get drunk together in the same bar. That's that seems not secure. Yeahs absolutely seems like a terrible idea, but It works really well to move the plot along it's one of those in eight m, you have giant robot battles are giant monster, suit, bowels or whatever you gotta have a law human interaction pad out the movie, and then this works well for the most part right so

one of the kids so Alexander shows up at the bar and he's just being. A bully is just swinging, his weight around just being me and everybody, and one of the kids challenges him and he and he he scoffs, he's like I do not fight to bees, so verily Alexander, is also produced against the two bees and Alexander starts twisting this kid's fingers and then Achilles still drunk intervenes and that they start to fight, but then Alexander says he will not fight him now he says I do not fight for fun. What do you fight for, which is a strange moment where the movie suddenly like asks you to be thoughtful in a way that it hasn't, maybe so far are certainly not for a while and because it appears that Achilles does not actually know he he's, maybe like ha I've my life becoming a soldier, but I really dont know if there's a good reason. The first four the fighting that I'm doing it.

It feels like an artifact of of of an earlier version of the script bet. It's also gee that we come back to later right, so it Athena carries the drunk achilles home. He as she apparently she takes us close off and then the next morning they have this long like naked, hang over conversation, where he's like drawing dragging his sheets around and arguing with her about arguing about what their fighting for and who fighting and Athena Tina gets mad at him. She be, I guess, because he's retiring and she's like I was bred not to have fear. I was bred for a purpose you use happened, and so it's cool actually that e g, the prejudice gonna, goes both ways like that. The two bees apparently disdain Non Toby's because they exist for no particular reason. Tat is random existence so alien. It It's interesting, a fair amount of of cool world building going on in this field

and so she's, like one of the things in the scene, I think is she's trying to figure out like water, the secrets of how he always won his battles, and he was in he's. Like I don't know, a lot of its just lock and she doesn't like this answer, so she gets really mad at him and she says I wanted to learn the secret of the great Achilles, but you just talk about luck in fear, theirs, thing you can teach me except how to lose there's another scene where we see like the the youngsters training there they're doing there there there to be exercises and texts reiterate to Achilles. He says for the second time you know, woman can never be a robot jock yet, yeah he's again the old, the old fashioned attitudes of tax here, yeah, so TAT, Texas, quite sex, stand he and he makes it clear over and over. But this does not This does not discourage Achilles from retiring. I think maybe he's trying to talk Achilles into staying on is like look. You know you you're the only one who could do it, but a kid

retires anyway and he becomes a city. So you see him just suddenly going around the city is not emission control anymore. He sees a mere all on a wall somewhere. I think that has his picture on it and some one has written the word coward, but misspelled its cow urge. Now, how do you know? That's not just how they spell in the future. That's true spelling changes over time. That's a very good point is just like how, in the future the word job spur always spelled with an ax. Instead of seeking s there, but so was so now. The markets gotta problem Achilles there, their greatest warrior has retired, so they ve gotta put one of these two bodies in the robot to fight Alexander, so they go through some rapid to be training and the wit. The way this shakes out is that Athena and the other to bees have to climb the agro crag. There's this big rat Jungle, GM of death and they're all fight. and each other to get to the top first and climb through this whole in the ceiling and

Venus Victoria. She is the greatest of the two bees, so she's gonna become the new jocks and, as a noose, castor declares. She is the first female Robo jock by achilles. Now at home sees this on tv and he's like no, I can't let her go into battle, so he he goes back. He goes back to jocks control and he's like I will be the jock He trains with tax and then and then there's the scene where doc Matsumoto and tax begin to argue about how to best key The new robot system, a secret from spies a doctor, two MOTO has taken measures to keep it secret in a way that text does not approve of and so there's more drinking at the bar. Of course, I mention that would come back Alexander sits down next to Achilles and he declares that make my drink taste like blood Is that an expression? What's that mean

Do you know what he's hiding there? I can think of no way the that makes sense. Unless I kiss Is he say it can tell these saying it in a way? Worries like my drink is better because it tastes like or is it worse because it tastes like blood, it's really hard red and what exactly it floats Alexander's boat here, yeah so array, up to the final confrontation between Achilles and and Alexander. But then before that there is a great seen were. I think maybe we shouldn't reveal what happens, but there is a confrontation about who actually the spy on the market side. Who's been leaking the new technology secrets to the enemy theirs The great showdown there that has some good dialogue and it actually, while some like good dialogue, that changes almost mid sentence to become hilariously cliched, yet it punctuated by hilarious cliches, but has some nice lines, and so it is a very interesting scene and of course the spy is really. We won't spoil it for you, we're not gonna tell you despise within it

so Athena comes to Achilles room the night before the big battle, and you think maybe this is gonna pan out to be like a love scene, but instead she tricks. And shoots him with a sedative unlocks him in his apartment because her angle is no, I will be the robot jock, I will fight Alexander. I don't mean to her on the film, because the film looks great and I love I love the way. The sets look, I love. I love the props love. I love everything, but in this scene, when she's an image is, is it uses in injector gun on him its fairly obvious that in the wide shots she's using egg? hot glue got hot hot glue, Gunnison painted silver, yes and then on closeups. It's like an actual injection Gunnar something looks more far more believable, like an injection gun so as to something interesting, I notice didn't really. I me out of the film and again I dont want to harp on it like this is like the cheapness of the movie, because for the most part it looks

wonderful. The effects budget went mainly into the robot battles. I think John. Suits turn yet uncertain, robot battles- yes, but it, but I think you're right in the close up, sits it's a regular prop gun, so makes me wonder why they couldn't use irregular propaganda in the wide shout stupid in the wide shuts. It's a thousand percent article gun yeah, maybe, from the change pretty late and production. So anyway, the next morning, Athena goes end to take Achilles place inside the robot she's gotta visor down. So nobody can see you, she says she's pretending to be him, and she he's gonna go. Do the fight herself! Meanwhile, meanwhile, Achilles escapes his apartment, any. He runs to the battlefield and we get, final showdown- and I dont know how much we should say about the final showdown or how exactly to talk about it. But it's a pretty great bought battle that involves flying into space and indifferent entered. Weapons, get deployed. I don't know it's a lot of fun yeah I mean

Then there's one why I will spoil one weapon that they use. That is the other saw, which I remember from watching part of this. I think Providence. I channel back in the day but is that even in the reward users of wonderful moment, because I've never seen a sigh fi weapon quite like it, it's this device like shoots a chain around the limb of another robot and then that that boy, load chain like locks into place. Allow rotary motion of the chain, so it works. Kind of like an inverted chain saw then to saw off the limb of an enemy robot and it's wonderful, it's weights great I'm surprised us not. don't know that I've seen it ripped off in any subsequent giant row

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Let's look pretty awesome. Inessa come combo of awesome, old school start motion and I think some cool man ensued, effects and the battles not feel is dynamic is something you get nowadays, or even a MAC fiction of decades, past but it also has a feeling of authenticity too, and I think one of the main reasons- and this is something that really ties in well with. some elements you see in the forever wore these are big weapons, mass and gravity. These are perpetually your greatest threat in your enemy, he's greatest weakness as one of the worst thing that could possibly happen to you in one These are robot. Jocks MAX is that you might fall four or be pushed over yeah, and this is they think really smart, like if you're gonna take the premise seriously, it's good to think about physics this way, and I guess Haldeman did You know he knew a lot about physics, and so he did actually have this in mind, and I think this is agreed

monster science connection, because it's worth keeping this in mind about biology. Evolutionary design problems are not symmetrical across great differences in scale. One of the examples of this often cited, as you know, those like articles we ve, probably said things like this in the past, a being you know, being kind of loose when we talked about where you say like If we were the size of our car, it could jumped the height of the empire state building or something like that except the problem is in a That could be true, just as a matter of you know, scaling up the distance of a fleas jump it's also not literally true because of a flea, were the size of a car. It wouldn't be able to do that anymore. It's like ass. Let us ism would not scale up proportionately its beak, was it's the size. It is that it can make that jump proportional to its body length so depending on the size of your body, you actually face vastly different threats and different consumer

it's from the physical world. In one of my favorite examples, I think people rarely think about is the amazing difference that body size makes when you're thinking of The dangers posed to you by water, so there's a classic The goal by that that the great scientist J B, who in a was behind a number extremely important biological concepts in the twentieth century. He wrote this article called on being the right size and that this is a paragraph that I remember when I first read this. This really did blow my mind. So it's about this holding writes a man coming of the bath carried with him a film of water about one fiftieth of an inch in thickness. This weighs roughly a pound. A wet mouse has to carry about its own weight of water, a wet feet, I have to lift many times its own weight and, as everyone knows, a fly ones where by water in any other liquid is

very serious position, indeed an insect going drink, is in as great danger as a man leaning out over a precipice in search of food. If it once falls into the grip of the surface tension of the water, that is to say it gets what it is likely to remain so until it drowns. A few in text such as water beetles contrive to be unwinnable. The majority keep well away from their drink by means of a long proboscis. It's amazing to think about how it getting wet doesn't bother us at all, but for much smaller animals because of the difference in like the mass your body in the strength of your muscles, compared to the surface area of your body and the properties of water that scale water could be like this horror flying slime. That takes a grip on you and you like you, you can't get away from, but

a lot of these. A symmetry is not all of them, but a lot of them are based on the force of gravity and the ratio of surface area mass as an object gets bigger, and this brings us back to the robot jocks. So to read. Section from that same J B S chaldean article. He is talking about the dangers of following what what falling is as a threat to the animals have different size quote to the mouse in any smaller animal, presents practically no dangers. You can do a mouse down a thousand yard mine shaft and on arriving at the bottom. It gets us shock and walks away, provided that the ground fairly soft a rat is killed. A man and is broken a horse splashes for the resistance presented to movement by the air is proportional to the surface of the moving object, divide and animals links, breadth and height each by ten. Its weight is used to a thousand, but it serves only two hundred so there

This tends to falling in the case of a small animal is relatively ten times greater than the driving force, and I think this would absolute be the same kind of concern if you were considering MAC battles. So if you were to have something like the auto loader and alien. This, like the these roughly slightly bigger than human sized MAX fighting in those things would be entirely different proposition, then. Hiding in these hundred foot tall or two hundred foot tall giant robots where, in the case of the larger robots gravity its off is an immense threat to you like just falling over Will will very likely destroy. You say, and this you get the you, do, get the impression that most of these robot jocks battles end when the first combatant is it is. Is it knocked over or made prone like, it seems like most of the time, there's no getting up from that right. It is interesting to think about like like hell

they get here. How did they get to the point where they are basically each battling in a skyscraper on lead? Yes and I'm guessing there's there would have been an arms race over time, so maybe they started smaller, like discount, power, armor sort of a situation maximize the individual for one on one battle, but then time like what? What do you do? you start getting bigger, suits like my suit bigger than yours and has bigger weapon. So now you ve gotta, get bigger too, and so now we see like the end results of that where the combatants absolutely as large as they could possibly get in You know they have all of these weaknesses, based on size, but there's just no scaling back at this point yet as interesting. It's almost from those like press prisoners, dilemma type, problems were alike the incentives for the individual are different than the incentives for like both parties when they look at things together and if you could just get them a Greek to both agree to scale back down. That would be better for both, but they but-

and get them to agree to that. So they just keep getting bigger that that also brings me to another interesting question. This movie raises some things about it that you wonder if makes sense in reality, and that is the very concept of symbolic warfare through single, combat or champion combat. The premise of the film is that you got these powers they are violent conflict with one another, but they can't go to war, they dont go war on on the whole. Instead, they they pick one person from each side to get in a robot fight it. And then the winner gets whatever it is. They wanted yeah, yellow did you know and then, in the end this film and of course you also see this in mythology when, when mythological characters are used to imbibe a whole nations or people's etc. Does Romania

something that we discussed in our stuff, the boy, your mind, episodes on the ant wars earlier in the year where we talked about the various terms, tournament battle that you see an answer, but also in certain small armed groups, historically in human civilization, the idea here being like, if, if you If you dont have large armies that combating each other so it makes more sense for a select few individuals to engage and sort of less high stakes, combat this or feel each other out to sea, which way the battle would go and then act accordingly. But in these cases, were still not talking about us like one soldier fighting one soldier champion versus champion right, and this his back to something of that. We also talked about in the ant wars episode, which are these models it again. These these are not perfect Christians of what actually happens in battle. But they are somewhat accurate Christians for modeling cash

tease in conflict in their known as lands, Lancaster Square Laws and Lynch Esters, linear laws, and so the main idea there is more complicated in this, but the main idea is that as you approach a situation that is a war of all against all so the more year. Your battle resemble something where any soldier can engage any other at any time, so maybe like a shooting war, as it isn't that, instead of the type of battle where one soldier can only fight one other soldier at Times Us Mc series of duels as it becomes or of a war of all against all then deep than the advantages provided by having superior numbers, go up not just in a linear way, but in a squared way, so that having superior numbers is much more important than having better Indonesia fighters in a war of all against all, and so and that's because, like the DE force

superior numbers can quite quickly reduce the numbers of the other forces, so they can't really put up a fight of any kind, So, anyway, in a world with technology that enables you know, war of all against all like a basic shooting war scenario, decide with superior numbers. Is we always at an extreme advantage, and that makes think about how it to imagine in a modern context, with modern technology that champion in warfare would ever really emerge unless it were like imposed by an outside force like four champion warfare, to be the way that you would settle geopolitical conflict it would require, ere the side with more, with new mirror superiority to agree to the church. Be in warfare and and say. Yes, we will honour the outcome of this dual

Happy and warfare necessarily improves the odds for the weaker force and hurts the odds for the stronger force. So why would the stronger force agree to it yeah now it is in. Film. If the judges, if the referee, were aliens representing, say a technologically. It species that? Could you simply wipeout either side without thinking about it? That would potentially make more sense yet, but it did. but I was in that case, though, why not just have a trial? We're, like you argue about who actually has the correct, claimed the land rather than people just say they want the land and you settle it with fight you. I wish I could have. We have seen more what parliament had in mind for this like what his red on it would have been. You know, because I'm certainly work there, there's the symbolic level at which it works, but I wonder what the the world building arguments would have been yeah. I mean I think obviously,

It would be better for the soldiers and better for the people on both sides of the conflict if it could be settled without massive bloodshed, whatever the at whatever that Methodism, even if its single combat between robot jocks, that's better. Just having an all out total war where you send out people into the meat grinder. But the do you know you you hit. war, pigs problem, like leaders, setting military policy or going to want to win their, not usually the people who themselves have to die in battle, so The weaker force may very much want to settle things with robot jocks. It just seems the side with the numerical and weapons superiority would tend to just say now. Now we'll have a war tat but ultimately. This is. This is not a picture that celebrates warfare its it has. It has a message: and I wore message which which I also only lie. Let's talk about the ending, the very ending which is both actually sort of trains eminently excellent and hilarious. Yes, obey the day they deserve

how the hell out of each other. So this is this ends up being like the main event in which Botz do get up after being knocked prone through of superior tactics, but also lots of tricky weaponry, because again it all comes down to what secret weapons do you have the your enemy doesn't know about, so the gauge and a lot of this, today you they end up going up in the stratosphere. They end up coming back down again, they end up destroying each other suits and and there's some clever twists and turns in that battle, but it ends up within both unsuited, both of them just on amid the rubble. Trying to ash each other with like pipes in pieces of metal like reduce, to one. almost like paleo, with a battle yeah yeah. I did, really trying to bash each other with sticks and rocks and and they reach a point where it looks like Achilles, is going to be. The worry us. You know it's one of those. Those moments where is he gonna finish

off his adversary, but no Achilles has another option that he presents in this wonderful little back and forth, over which I quite like the dialogue no, the way that they ended. This cause Achilles says to him. You can live in Alexander says? Yes, if I kill you with this, is the piper thing, but he's holding or was it arrived thought it was rock, but I could be rocket and Kelly says we can both live in an Alexander, says. We are already dead, we're robe jack, which I think, is a line it. I think it works here, but a big have to remind myself that parliament's original working title for this was the mechanic? Yes, so so that would have a more interesting line of he's like no we'd, like we're mere mechanics. You know like we're, not even really controlling these days. This things in this military engine we're just caring, forty making, it run right in in a weird way it exchange that

with a little bit of like verbal tweaking could have been very powerful and is in some ways powerful, but because of the is robot jocks it it absolute, these spills over into absurdity. You know so lightly If he had said we can both in and out said, no, we are already dead were soldiers. I yet the eye it would be driven home there that, like their their fates, are not up to them. You know that their their fates are decided for them by forces beyond their control. That does seem to be the theme, but daddy, says in own weakened. No, we are robots, tat and it then ultimately like this is the spoiler for the end of the film, but that he wins IQ he's is able to convince Alexander the yes, we can live, we don't have to fight. It stop fighting in they stop fighting and then Do that awesome. This bump at the end, That closes the picture, and you end up with this message of hope

there? You know that we can resist that we can move beyond like senseless battle and I love it out, and it ended perfectly ends on a great and the Indians, with the hero in the villain, agreeing not to kill one another right and they didn't that thing that they often do and films where the hero appeals. to the villains, humanity and the villa, seems to say yes, but then goes for a double rod and have occurs yeah and then you know shoots him dad and then it's like. Oh, he did kill the villain. Betty tried. He gave him a chance. He gave him a chance. To be good enough; instead, they they do indifferent and- and I think it works out at me. So many movies use that it is a plot device that I have come to absolutely despise just because of how common and how, in a way how cheap it is, because what it it's trying to show you is, that is,

have it. Both ways is train, have the hero, show mercy and not be vindictive and cruel us of the hero gets the upper hand gives the villain a chance to like walk away or to live or whatever, and then the villain tries to stab in the back, and then the hero kills them striking how to lose weight. So you get to see the villain killed and punished, but you also get to see the hero have mercy. I think its a bit better just choose one or the other yeah. Yeah. I don't know what kind of arguments happen, or maybe the word arguments over this part, but I like the way it turned out. So I don't know if this was ultimately the way parliament wanted it or if this is Mr Gordon Direction- or maybe this is just the Wait feels is like this is where the two visions come together and they work. It is a weirdly transcendent way. To conclude this utterly ridiculous film. All right, and we'll speaking of concluding it's time for us to conclude, you may be wondering now: where can I see robot jocks? Unfortunately, this is a tough one.

you can buy some at times crazy, overpriced. Dvds of age, ass in blue, raise a robot jocks, but the Shout factory edition of this from twenty fifteen is currently out of bread print. I think it went out of print in October of twenty nineteen, so hopefully become more widely available in the future. No one seems to be streaming it like even for rent, worst or digital purchase. Right now, sir, for the I'd unauthorized like highway unauthorized version. Joe did you find this one at Facebook of all places widen, watch their ended up watching the the version that you rented and lent me, but dig around for it if you desire, but you should also- I mean, I would say, is start letter writing campaign to the criterion collection and get them to put out their own addition. Robot shocks, which is what the world deserves: yeah yeah. We we definitely rented. It got it from Atlanta zone. Video drove their story films there. I bid to as blast video rental place.

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