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my desk, and this is nothing new, because we are often sent books by publishers review as possible interview subjects, but this book was a little bit different one. Huge was like a massive box. They came, Two once I opened this partial, which was quite heavy, I saw the book within and then it was this incredible book of historical fashioned places, titled fashioned plates, one hundred and fifty years of style, writer April Callaghan is a fashion. Story and an especial collections associate at the Fashion Institute of Technology, so she really knows her stuff and so I opened this book and I started to page through it and I just fell in love with it. I found it utterly enchanting, because only? Is it pictures of historical clothing, which everyone knows I love, but this is so gorgeous and we talked about it a little bit in the interview coming up, but like the printing on it is absolutely exquisite. It is just a fine artwork. It's really really. Just as it is so pretty the other house to work. Staffers start

kind of wandering over to my desk to see what I was gasping over and then they started gasping, em and Julie Douglas and I did there for a long time paging through this thing and just being amazed at how absolutely gorgeous it is and how much really cool information is contained in and so, of course, I, as soon as I was able to turn myself away from it. I should Often an email to ask if April would join us on the show and then, when she, founded. She surprise me a little by mentioning that she had also just published another book, which is titled fashion in the art of postwar the golden age of illustration in Paris. So I was a great. We'll talk about both of those books. So for those of you who are in the historical fashion or even simply art, you are

to be delighted to hear her insights on both clothing and culture, as well as art throughout history and she's incredibly well spoken, and she share some really great insights. First, that the stock covers just exactly how somebody becomes a fashion historian, which a lot of listeners have. Experts to us as their dream job and how having had shouted the Fashion Institute of Technology, Is that really exciting moment? now that I am lucky enough to have April Callaghan on the line for an interview, we're gonna get right to talking about some of the amazing work she has been doing in right now, I will tell you that one of the things I love in your fresh completes book. The dedication says this book is dedicated to those who know what they love to do, but haven't quite found their way be fearless. It seems, like you, have We found what you love to do

So before we start talking about the books and historical fashion, can you just tell us kind of what drew you'd historical fashion in the first place? and how you manage to make this into a career sure, yes, I'm freaking. I just want to say thank you to my training I'm I'm really delighted beyond the show, I'm actually a and so the great compliment yeah The kind of how I ended up where I am here is from a very, very young age. I I always will really draw Hugh and interest in the kind of story behind objects who created them. Why who who owns them had one another I mean to their owners and how does that kind of picture creation? not only like an individual but also our cultural identity and my interest in that kind of lead me to study or history

did undergraduate degree and our history and then, after a graduated. I ended up working and contemporary ART foundation and galleries of an assistant director, for almost ten year. But some point along the way there? I started to get a little bit of an age to explore some their interests, but I wasn't certain what those interests were and one day I just happen to stumble across the book that kind of change the course of life professionally. From that point forward in it was a catalogue to the Kyoto Costume Institute, so it is a costume collection in Kyoto, Japan and the book is with my passion, pretty widely available, but Allow me, because I have the door that work. It's really great, so I understand how it was life changing because it's really ass, I mean I. Vow word their presentation of the history of fashion from the eighteenth through the twentieth century and in like a twenty four hour period and from

why, for it, I kind of knew what I wanted to do with the rest of my life and I applied to graduate programme here in New York in fashion and textile territorial. The really in tying Canada book. I didn't realize that one could actually If action that the field of fashion studies existed and that one You could really use an odd checked based approach to analyze the motive. Really even the technologies of a society that that created the objects, so cool, unlike us that I love that book. So I really do completely understand how it happened in that book as a guest of so many people were- and I actually received it as a gift says perfect to me. That is like a perfect gift book, and now You work and special collections at the Fashion Institute of Technology. Do you ever stumble across any fabulous fashioned surprises, and how specifically, did you end up there.

Firstly, how I ended up here was: I did go to graduate school here at authority. I went back for a little while to working in art here in New York and, as I started working on these books, I would delving into this collection specifically a lot, and I was hanging around a lot and eventually they asked me if I want to come on board with the though, but in turn them finding really fun thing is within the collection. Yes, that's happened, three it and our question here, If I t is really quite robust, we have about thirty five, a hundred linear fee of rare books and periodicals, specifically on the topics of fashion and design. Also have more than three hundred and fifty manuscript collection and when I say manuscripts I mean I'm unpublished material, so in the context of the type, the things that we collect, that really means designer archives and with

an r paper designer archives. We estimate we have a bow. The million original works on paper, most of which are designer sketches so one of my most serendipitous surprised that I have had recently kind of pertains to these sketch collections and a few months ago I had posted, are instagram feed. A photograph of this really beautiful evening, dress The country early feel and I had found paragraph. Nineteen seventeen issue of the French Fashion Magazine lay mode which is one of them air periodicals that we have here, but the following. I just happened to be leading classed as it with graduate students, and I had randomly gone back in the collections room and pulled a box of sketches from the many many boxes of with skill sketches that we have. I opened the box, When a graduate student, the first sketch I turned to just happen, to be the original sketch for the draft, but I had posted on Instagram the week before

oh my god. What what chances are happening and that really something that seeks to that the vast and the scope of what we have here spectacular. I would imagine that some of those things- sometimes you have to make yourself leave at the end of the day, Our international every single day when I come to love, it is like a treasure had all the time, it pays off its use, so you have to books out right now that, if our fresh releases, both about fashioning strain specifically fashion illustration so you may came out like one right after the other I mean it's couple weeks that separated their publication dates did you most concurrently or did you have this kind of silent and do one and then the other? I actually did work on them. Concurrently, I'm a pretty much route them back to back, but it does happen

an odd twist of fate that they ended up coming out. At the same time, I wish I was that much of a powerhouse of the writer of the elderly to work on to look at the same time, but I am not when you're working on a book like this, which here's where it really gets to be a little power Halsey. In my head writing, we're six a lot of work, but to me sifting through source material and the rich source material you had for each of these is a huge task and so when you're, compiling books like this when you're curetting collections. What is it assets like that. How do you start? Where do you do a vision when you begin and does it stay the same or how much does it have always you go and like How long does it really take you to kind of creates cohesive, assortment and call the ones they dont quite fit and go through the whole process. Since I really am like, quite literally

physically immersed in the materials every day when I come to work for me, it's just kind of more about living with the materials at hand for a while and then starting see where there is an abundance of subject matter that coins eyes with a gap in whatever the current publishing or scholarship, that's happening, and then once you make, that connection is really about just die, in the original primary source material from the period and then letting the material tell you their story. Everyone has their own way of working, of course, but personally I photographed obsessively, and one would think that this is kind of a sum proposition, but when you are working with a large amount of historic materials

within a really massive collection. Just having a simple image on your screen or on your page, really isn't enough information for you. Work from you have to record all of its mandate. I am what I mean by that. Is you know what publication as from what was the date? Who is the artist? Who is the baton I'm on a lot of this is in order to be an effective research. Later, when you go back evaluate your pool and images that you start with. First of all, you need to know where, to view Aren't you in order to relocate that image again after you, ve been doing research, and this is really a super important when you have a poor, say six thousand images that you start with, which Essentially what I began with when I started image selection for the fashion plates book three weeks, that down from six thousand two two hundred that seems like it would be terribly.

For the moment I'm not gonna lie where it is very pretty heartbreaking when you have to get something that you love, while their love ex question. Are you good about killing your darlings and cutting most things that you just are in love with that they may be. Are the right fit and kind of admitting that yourself or is it like it? Did you ever find yourself in the back your head knowing what the right decision was, but still holding onto something that maybe you just formerly attach too you know, I think I become better about it and I think, when I went into the second book I had a better. Clearly defined, set of parameters that we agreed upon before we started working with our image pool and those parameters. First being that specific images ability to advance forward the story, that return to weave together by putting the images together and then once the kind of Heaven

idea of what we want in and also how those things you know work visually together. Copyright We have to be re so, with the times book that ideal, which are considered illustrated books can really be defining factor in which images only appear so, for instance, professional the pressure which I wrote with my fantastic co, author Cassidy's Zachary one of our very very favorite illustrators at this entire time here in his name Andrei Edward Marquis and his work transition into the public domain, and because the more of his work that we wanted to use. We were going to have to pay use these four due to budget constraints, we could not include as many of his illustrations and the books as we would have liked.

Was that ever freeing to be like the universe is deciding this for me. I don't have to make this cut in freeing as much as it was painful at other times. I hit me with a matter. I cannot imagine having to call the collection of gorgeous fashionably down without going slightly mad or becoming really melancholy in the process. So it was good to hear from someone that has done that the house should sort of handle that I get we too attached to things that I think are beautiful to ever really be able to do that with any sort of Greece. We are to hear more from April about her book on postwar and she's, going to describe exactly what that is in just a moment. But first we will have a word from the fabulous sponsors that keep stuffy miss than history class on the air

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existed for thousands of years. Then we see employed a prehistoric cave paintings, many millennia later in the middle ages, often times, people who did not know how to read a right would use a stencil as a means of signing legal documents in the 16th in, with often used to create playing cards, but I'm really at a wide spread technique. We really sad to see emerge in the nineteenth century where it was used by japanese artisans for free. I'm an decorating housewares fan and for they were using it in TAT, thou design and though they really Hold evaded the Japanese this technique over over several hundred years and has a lot of them. Where did good from Japan became quite fashionable in Europe during the latter portion of the nineteenth century? The round this that european printers also kind of start to experiment with it meek and they really refined even further for the purposes of not printing on textiles. But book publishing,

and the technique a push by really sort of apotheosis under the guidance and refined men of a gentleman whose name was on Thursday. To this play body is really kind of considered, The iron push for technique, and is the reason for this is because how thought about. Color was really quite advanced. So how They push our process worked, was an artist illustrator, would submit to Saudi and his his push or studio an original work on paper, and this was original work that ultimately they wanted to reproduce in a book or an hour or you know what pay a periodical- and the image of a really really really rigorously scrutinised for its color separation. Then Decker there were a cutter would create stand for at least one stand for

each color appearing within an image and oftentimes and because of the complexity of an image There may be more and one again for cuts for the color red copper and pretty much the favourite materials used to create the physical stenzel itself and then once more these are realized they would be handed off to a color, east or colorist, who would painstakingly and really really rigorously giving care to the registration of the simple they would apply our basic pigment are quite directly to the page to create the image colors had quite a variety of brushes and techniques that were available for their disposal in order recreate, create peacefully as possible, the the original work- and this was really one of the aspects of push why that was treasured. These images are essentially

so my unique work of art on paper, this was very labour intensive, in turn have made it very expensive produced, and so this level of kind of really refined level push were it was really only used for limited edition publication certain cachet at times the rounding exclusivity Jerry Fashion Publications, Ashley, embrace the technique really kind of as a foil to the easily. Reproduced nature of fashion photography so It was kind of a reaction to the right of fascism. If people are returning back the hand made it creates such stunning effects that sort of thy really beautiful, like the way things are layered together and, as you said, it's a complete are in and of itself

I think it's interesting about illustration in general. Is that in some cases, particularly in fashion these illustrations of historical fashions, have really sort of become even more iconic than the clothing and what to mind for me- was popery who we ve talked about. Podcast and Paul Erebus so for people who are especially in the fashion and fashioned history. They sometimes recognise the sketches with some level of familiarity, but if you showed them a photograph of the garment there, like I don't know what that is, but that in some ways, the the imagery and this network has sort of superseded the clothing, it was meant to represent. Do you think those illustrators, particularly in the early nineteen hundreds ever really seized the possibility that their work would be the more enduring part of the equation rather than the clothing. They can, at least

some of them to add- and I'm saying yes because, depending on what publication that that particular artistry illustrator was working for them, may have never actually existed in physical form in terms of it being a garment. Some of the garments see and somebody's illustrations were always intensely purely the invention of the illustrator, and they were actually kind of meant to inspired the direction of fashion. They weren't necessarily reflect what current fashion was They were meant to inspired, your direction? I fashion? That being had certain publications are also under written by the key houses, and if there was a Qatar House underwriting that publication, the publication usually fee, shared illustrations of their designs are underwriters almost exclusively in this is the case in Gaza, Giovanni Han, and give everybody

I would big illustrators with specific them. I and they would have an ongoing relationship for four years at a time, a time, but some examples of the guard but we see and committees illustration still doing this. The museum collection, specifically from the a dresses illustrated by a red. Those are still there excellent examples of them. In French me them collection, here s a we actually have one of the code that arrived. Straight for labour to Papa hey. We have it in a different color way in illustration of yellow, but the nuisance collection example is in black, so little bit of yes and a little bit of now. The answer the question: yes sometimes sometimes they knew that that their designs were only ever going to exist on the page and and sometimes they were also illustrating specific ermine. Well,

thing to think about it. You know clothing, thickets, worn even if only for a short time, it sort of suffers its own use, in some degree where Ino textiles tend to break down his I was sort of survived a little bit more, not ours, but overall, I would say there Vienna. We have more examples of art for various periods that we have the actual clothing that's intact, so it makes sense from that point of view. It just fascinates me For tee, with pop worry, I mean I remember when we were researching that episode. I would show people of the dresses music. I what is this weird I dont have never seen this and I would show them an illustration of, like the same or a very similar dress. I seen that art like how did that separation exists, and wondering what's interesting in any mention of the time. The most of this art was sort of aspirational, inserted to drive the direction of the future of fashion that you are now a separate

he's doing fashion illustration, for someone is much more unheard of so as its evolved away from that idea of partnerships between illustrators, including designers. But why do you get actually started to do that were now designers? Pretty much also have to be artists for the most part, Here's. The thing is a curious thing. I've been thinking about this a lot recently and I dont know that that partnership has necessarily dissolved as much as we think that it has an historically not all fashion designers have again before they created their collection. This was not necessarily part of many of the great fashion designers of the past from designers, even specifically employed sketch artists as part of their team to document

collection after the fact, rather than photograph them, because at certain period of time to photograph them would have been more expensive than to have a sketch artist on staff for instance, Lucille Lady Deaf Gordon, who I mentioned earlier, I'm sure She had dedicated. Artists as part of her team, and one of them happened to be a gold you who, if you know the history of fashion. He actually went on to become a very, very famous fashion, designer and his own right after kind of beginning his career working police feel, but still to this day I'm still bringing in fashion illustrations and our collection that are not necessarily executed by the head design. Themselves, but other parties that are hired in illustrate production of a specific specific house. I think there's kind of beginning to be forever resurgence of interest in,

an illustration and as a reaction to all the photograph taken in that were really bombarded with every single day and it's an interesting time period, because this really is kind of paralleling the interest and push far illustrations that the counterpoint to the mass converted into photography that we all have in a century ago. I'm starting to see this happen again This fascinating is we're right out about a hundred years later This was taking place there. I loved hearing the idea that fashion illustration. Existing separate from fashion design is something Having a resurgence with really interesting to hear about how illustrators of the early nineteen hundred viewed their work in relation to the clothing designers, they were collaborating with. There? I was surprised by that.

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contacts alone, they will wrap up she and Holly, with some advice about how other people interested in fashion history might start out if they are wanting. You mentioned earlier in our discussion that you really love the idea of objects and gleaming MA am sort of their their meaning in their context. Historically, so I'm curious what you think: action can really teaches about the culture in time that it comes from because we approach it. How we re looking at it to really interpret the period that it existed in contemporary way. I think one of the things I first realise when I really started in fashion and estimate is of a little bit school, the obvious by, but how inextricably pied fashion is to not only capitalism but also the passage of time

in in there in the first place, but I use with little analogy that ITALY is perhaps very waxing, a little bit poetic, but I, like this analogy, I wrote something to effect that task. Is not only the devoted mistress of capitalism constantly cannibalized itself in and in because of that, calling for a rapid and fusion of the new but fashion of also concurrently, the sickle wife of Father I am a passionate, always betraying every movement with her incessant Bree make over of of the physical world. So I guess, I'm trying to get at is that fashion, whether it be fashion clothes in colors, Hum good trend steered or even like the acts that are on your phone. All of these things have a very specific place in this broader fashioned system and our consumption,

things is really directly connected to our personal politics. These are how we decide to vote. For the creation of good and that coming in Vienna are exchange of monetary currency for those things right ruining with our dollar. When we buy thing, though another thing, I think that we can learn from about just looking at fashion. Is you can always that learning something about the technology of the period because firstly, how things look is one of factors that goes into how things look is always going to be the technology. What kind of creation, for instance, then? son of Synthetic dies in in

We changed the color power of the nineteen late nineteenth century and unto me this is kind of a can through what I think may happen very shortly here in terms of house. Reedy printing may very well revolutionized the proposal we produce fashion in the coming here, so cool literally still raging through your while we talk- and I just keep myself sighing and gasping which makes me wonder, because I am of course thinking flipping to the late Victoria late bustle part of the victorian era is your favorite historical period in fashion and you are exposed to all of it all the time. So surely you must have a favorite, they do sub areas covered, how right am I find. I find that question often too hands on what I'm working on at the moment. The bad answer that question right now. I would definitely say that the nineteen pains are the top of my life, but also real

That probably has a lot to do with the fact that I've been working in that time here recently, but when things I love about the team is that is really really a pivotal point, both in the history of fashion itself and also fashion illustration, and this is a time period when we start to feed. Of course it does appear in the course of course, it had dominated women fashion in some degree of men. Two in certain small segments. Four hundred years. Father, really pivotal point in and how a fashion illustration changes with that collaboration that you referenced earlier between parties. In a real, but am woman Other and my other interests in the tens is the fact that I are the fascist ran? One of my specific interests is the intersection of war and fashion, though Revolution Robin wine from our cue,

I feel very drawn to these questions around round those time periods as like. How is it that is six. The society navigate the accident of war with same time having the very real need to put clothes on human bodies, but also not a comparative the fashion industry in terms of keeping people employed and feeding their families during these very difficult period, and I think that in the art meant that fashion is frivolous during her. The war begins to melt away just a little bit of a little bed there, when you realise that, for instance, during World war, one approximately three percent France's labour force with tethered one way or another to the fashion industry. At that time, France was the global arbiter car style, so it was only the jobs of let's say, Couture House,

that were at stake during robber one, but it was also the entire textile industry, including die manufacturers. Your and all these little offshoot Anderson such as late a maker employed earth people who worked in the feather industries furs. No one The list on the list goes on, though, when you think about this, Sections of words were in fashion is if it is not only an aesthetic choice. Happening that there's an economic imperative behind it? I love it. I wonder, do you ever do any historical costume There is I I I I the terrible fashion me. It doesn't seem terrible at all to me. I've always a little bit just because of my own, like life context when someone says critically someone who is in interested in it, fashion, or whenever says they don't. So it seems so bizarre to me even it's not, but is this

I've always been, future of a whole life links. I started when I was very, very tiny, so course you so everybody said nobody, so is ok, but that's just my own contacts that makes that seem. Weird renewing nice certainly know lots of people that are into fashion and don't sell that I'm part of it for me is the drive like I want that tat figure out how to me that there are plenty of time for I like in a fashion plate was like a fine. You heard a so I would be wearing that work tomorrow. All what's really really fascinating to me, going back occasionally in looking at historical patterns. I don't know how much pattern gazing you do, so fascinating, because prettily and again from the MID Victorian, is my favorite zone Look at these garments and brazilian fashionably stipulate how on earth they ever do that always sort of amazed at the beautiful, simply the of engineering that usually goes into them.

Oh. This is not a hard thing to cut out at all. It has weird seems that aren't like in the places we would do modern garments, but it's usually so smart and so much more simple than one would anticipate. Yet it it seems incredible, beautiful, drapes and and shapes, and am always very loud by this, the brilliance of the architecture, a lot of times of historical Carmen. Absolutely so? I know we have a lot of listeners that are in the fashion and maybe don't know quite where'd you get started looking into it. What would you recommend as a good starting point for someone who wants to start looking into fashion history, either for themselves or even as a potential education and career path? Sure well, there is not only been an explosion of publishing on fashion studies, not only fashioned history but of a fashion theory in the last decade and hand in hand with that of an explosion of programme. Were you actually go study fashion from a scholarly prospect,

of books. Books, of course, would be the easiest way to kind of get your feet wet, and I mentioned earlier the book that I kind of lead me to being a fascist ran, and you have a popular self, which is the Kyoto commitments to catalogue. I think, technically the name of it as something like fashion, the history from the eighth, the twentieth century, and I mentioned earlier the book that I kind of lead me to being an austrian and you have a copy yourself, which is their Kyoto commitments to catalogue. I think technically, the name of it is something like fashion the history from the eighteenth, the twentieth century, Something like that. You know I have the the people back version, which is two volumes like. It was two volumes in a back. That's the end. I think they're gonna, we name possibly so, will look it up a fitness units and

another great book that the pent hassock overview of fashion history, that just came out and in October, is called the history of modern fashion and by Daniel Coal and Nancy Deal, and it covers fashion from the birth of oak? What you're in the eighteen fifty's I'm all the way into the twenty first century. So it's a pretty wide spanning book, those those you might have picked for just that and like a very smart but easy. Review of a lot of time, while the Kyoto, when I know for sure Lake, it's an easy entry because yield for just sit there, slack jawed at gorgeous photography for awhile, start reading the notes. Book actually was a part, the structure of it. With a little bit of my inspiration for how I set up a fashion, place book and

you have it now front of you. So you already know this, but I didn't write the petty chapters. I really wanted a lot of people coming from lots of different. Ground, or with a for of interests, to be able to act the book on, whenever a level that they wanted to, I didn't want to do these texts heavy chapter so can. I did then yet and so image and the fashion itself will be on one page and facing that will be the sort of like in tat shall I tax Let me be about the history of fashion that portrayed in the fashion play. It may be about the social political climate of that particular era. It may be Our history are technology of the period that kind of evident thing at hand within the fashion plate, but these things are really of utmost importance to me when we trying to understand what fashions true

eleven is within any given. Era is much broader than just the close themselves as all these other things surrounding at that go into its creation, am, I would actually add your fashionably work, particularly to a good start or point because, as you said it, so it's laid out in such a way. Kind of easy to digest it in whatever manner you desire it's kind of one of those things are. Even if you start looking at the pictures when it first came, one of my colleagues Julie Douglas who works on other pie. Cas projects here has to works. She that is in the fashion, but is not really in the fashion history so much she hasn't been exposed to. It were sitting there painting through it and gasped the loveliness and then we would be gazing at a picture and then she would. Finally, I would see her kind of sitting over to the texts I to be like. Oh now I understand, and so it sort of that it really is. A beautiful can have a way to introduce people to some of the the context socially particularly

that? Otherwise, you may miss just looking at the gorgeous picture, so thank you can keep, because that was exactly my entire. Her success o thank you. So much for being with us I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your time and also just getting to chat with you about fashion history. He's so much for having me over the pleasure, and I hope you enjoy the book more sure I will. I am. I am going to seek help from the office now that we're done with this, and then I can truly devour it in mind. Time and again I super levy and really would recommend it to anybody who is in the fashion the holidays are over, but it would make a spectacular gift for anybody if you're late or if there's a birthday coming, do that and otherwise es. Thank you so much for being here. Where can people find you online and You have a blog that I wrote a as part of my job here really at things in called material mode

you can just search Google search material, Knowed, MIT and I'm sure I'll, come up. And then you can also follows. On Amsterdam, we have a fantastic interim feed, which we post really cool things in the collection every day, five days a week, and you can always at MIT special collection on Instagram airline wealth. When you excellent will thank you so so much, and we have little time next time you have a book out. I would who knows that was the amazing April Callaghan her books once again, if you want to check them out and if your intervention, history at all you do want to check them out, are fashioned plates one hundred fifty years style and the other one is fashion in the art of push for the golden age of illustration in paris- and I am not

looking at all, and I talk about her gorgeous these books are like. I may sound like I'm over blowing it, I'm not there absolutely spectacular- and I am so delighted that April sheared, some of her fashion history, knowledge with a holiday. They have some listener mail I do, and since we have just wrapped up the holidays and we were recorded, we can affront loaded a lot of episodes going into the holidays so that you could take some time off, and I took some time of recording that I was working on scripts and stuff. So we a lot of like really great holiday male coming to the office, but we didn't get shouted out during the holidays. So I wanted to do a few of those now these, we mention them last year, this wonderful couples, Achan Paloma, who are delights. I just I adore these people. They do these really fun. Kooky photos.

Opts for their cards and this year they have several pictures of them in their cats, but they have switched the heads on their cats to be them and vice versa. So it's very funny because they did a very good job of it and then there's one on the backward. They had to switch each other's heads in it so cute, and I love that they include us in their card list. Because this is one that I just smile like crazy when it came in and then I shared at around the office Caroline from stuff, I've never told you and I giggled over this are probably get ten minutes you're one the shot out too, was our listener, both from Ireland, who I shared the image of his wonderful gift that you sent us on social, but in case anybody wasn't looking at that for those indices, beautiful man. From Ireland and it was so nice. He lives in the hill of Tehran, County Meath, which is,

of the former high kings of Ireland and home to Maguire Caffeine Gift Shop, and they really, in his opinion, deserve a call out if possible, so he got to seize fabulous mugs. T gonna make mention of them so that we appreciate it. I love it. I'm using mine frequently hear the office. I really appreciate it fertile that was so kind. All the way across the pond. For us, we also got a wonderful card and I will read the whole thing and I can't give you the person. Because they only signed it with their officials and they didn't put a return address, but it's a beautiful card featuring to puffins with some lovely Christmas lights, This listener talks about how they have historically had a little bit of a problem. Listening to people speak extemporaneous Lee, but how like they're kind of working through it and are podcast has been part of that. So I really appreciate it. I know there could be moment three. Ukraine's listening people talk. I do sometimes it's fine,

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