Holly and Tracy talk about the aspects of the stethoscope story that didn't make it into the episode, including the classism related to cleanliness standards that often comes up in writeups about it. Tracy discusses the difficulty in getting a sense of Eunice Newton Foote's personality based on the available documentation of her life.
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Happy Friday. Everybody I'm how we try and I'm trace av. Well then Tracy this week we talked about stethoscopes sure, then
I don't know how I landed there. I would, but I am sure it was a thing
where I saw em image or something and went out of that come from which is often what happens if I'm doing an episode about an invention,
One of the things we did not get really into cause. I just found that kind of lake- it always is written about in kind of his sensationalize than yucky.
it is not only lay an ex embarrassment that often referenced in leading him to try to think of a way that he could listen to his patients chest without having to put his ear up against her
is that in some right out of that moments
There is a lot of discussion about how doctors didn't want to touch their patients cause they were unwashed and gross which
sure is some time with sometimes the case, but I don't know, there's no way to really talk about it without it being the side street of like maybe, but I don't know how clean is it.
you're right, like yeah. There's, always like a big discussion about cleanliness standards and there's a lot of misconception about it in a lot of
Classicism falls into that vat rate. Where sake it always is tat
about in this very denigrating way. Without recognising the lake people did not have access to
water. The way we do necessarily so if he were a working person or like the city's working poor, it wasn't like you didn't care, you just didn't, have the resources to make
take a bath every day, re shower. So I didn't that's like I said it gets its whole separate thing on the social situation
going on, whereas it kind of always comes often right. Ups is a little bit snooty lake o yuck. I dont want to touch these people right.
Oh, I feel like I've heard, that story framed not so much a snooty classes but as like, really restrained sexual mores and modesty
That too, I mean that's bad. It seems like
you're doing pattern? Recognition was key.
Likely more reminisce she when you consider that lay- and I was also a man who Lake was so religious
the devout and considered so conservative in that regard, that other doctors were like
wow- you are wearing really tightly so it
would seem natural if he might be a little bit hesitant to get right upon a woman patient. For that reason
I think that holds more water than the he thought his patients were yucky.
that may or may not have factored into why other doctors adopt,
it is pretty readily Alegre said, not all of them,
but many but yeah, it's a weird
It becomes like a whole weird secondary social discussion that GAD wasn't really germane to the actual. Somehow it reminded me of back mooted that ignore satellites episode and when he was saying everybody needs to be washing their hands, and there was this argument that a doctor's hands are always clean, because a doctor as gentlemen right think that's cute. Humans are humans. We get thirty year. It is sad to me how much tuberculosis became the theme of his life right from his early age as a kid when he lost his mom and other
family members and his men tour and then, of course, himself. It is interesting that he seemed to want to be like I don't have it. I don't have it ray. I write. It also took I
lose track of where the timeline people realised it was a contagious disease for sure, because that when I was reading a biographical right up on him in a medical journal,
They had mentioned leg, he didn't know, is contagious, announcing whites monastic are they? The amount was where I started to backtrack and realise that there were still arguments going on about the exact nature of of what cause tuberculosis, which is also. He know that sad and terrifyingly comes up a lot in history of lake doctors who are trying to help people dying from the thing they are trying to fix ram because they don't we didn't. I was now what was going on
seems fine, and now I went down her. How much do you love the idea that what we know of purees inspiration comes from
power. He rode around it. Yeah, that's pretty great. It's pretty fun. It's
it's one of those things were I literally it seemed so I don't know what the word is for it took me. So by surprise that I kept like cross referencing
things to make sure that was not like a weird translation problem.
No. No. He really to write a book about it. Ok, crates quite cute. I like that here dedicated his his book to lay back as well as two of theirs. I think the other two doctors were both men towards they had both studied under which was kind of sweet. Anyway, I am thankful that they came up with the stethoscope, because now we know an awful lot more about
no disease. Like I said we didn't go and it super depth, but particularly that second revision. If he really did lake, if you hear this, the possibilities
This, like he really leaned out a diagnostic roadmap fur for physicians, which is pretty impressive, and for someone who died in his forties. That's really
huge legacy and he's not an aim is not an aim. That's on everyone's lips outside of
no, if you know a lot about medical history yeah, I had questions about pronouncing it that came up in the middle of the observer. Yes, so
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You talked about Yunus Newton Foot this week, and this is the second time in a recent memory that I've been working out, an episode about somebody where I just have had a really hard time, getting a sense of like their personality, what they were like as a person things besides some spare details of their life to build a kind of narrative out of because I had a similar, a similar thing when we were working on any jump cannon with their not being like a full on enough for adults, biography of her there's even less about Yunus Newton foot out there in the publicly accessible world right now, which made it a little challenging and one of those things worms dislike you now. If I lived
closer to any of the places where there might be some of her papers and there were not a pandemic happening. That might be like guess what I'm gonna do raids throttle every look for this yeah. I I legs
slash was a little bit bombed when we got to the part about
The genealogy writing were there like. She was a marvellous painter and, unlike what Annie
no, I mean about that's all. I know I know nothing else. Besides that I want to
Things I stumbled over when working on this with a twitter thread by one of her descendants trying to find more information about her and, like we mention that
not a known photograph of her at this point as I've gone recording it, and in that thread there were some things that were like well, here is for pictures of women one.
Them could be her, but we don't really now yeah some other people that she was connected to
you therefore personally or our through my marriage through for children's marriages, are like well known and prominent enough. That it seems like they're, probably, is other information and existence somewhere. It is a matter of you know, finding it in archives and people's correspondence and historical societies.
maybe somebody's attic yeah. I do. I will say this completely, not related to her biography or anything important. I think my favorite phrase of the entire thing is electrical excitation.
yeah! If that doesn't sound like a banned from the eighties, I don't know what does Hannah does yeah. I love it. I would like for that to be
a modern day cover band that does olive like the scent pop of the eighties rating.
Lots of new order covers. That would be great in my book. I also really appreciated how how accessible both of their papers were to read in terms of just having a pretty straightforward narrative of what they did and what they found em ends. You know I don't I don't read scientific journal articles as much now as I used to when my job was writing for the website, how stuff works, but because the field of science is a lot more professionalized than it was in the middle of the nineteenth century, when there were a lot of people just do in some experiments in their own home lab and then publishing
add and respectable journals like the level of complexity and and jargon and Anne was more inaccessibility, has just trend it over time to be more difficult to get access to and more difficult to read as a lay person,
Yeah, I do love the suggestion that you can kind of get from
What little we do know about her that she and Eliza were clearly lake partners, yet they seem to from just the reading of each of their work, like the most obvious conclusion is that they were a good match and they had a happy marriage where they did
experiments and they invented things and they pan bid. It doesn't kind of dreamy. That's far reliving yeah gonna do some science together homey. Let me make the coffee: let's get on it, yeah, that's how beautiful yeah we didn't mention it in the episode, but one of the things that that Eliza Patented was an improved ice gate, and so I kind of love the idea that unit was patenting of filling fur shoes and viewed so that they would not be squeaking and he was patenting a sort of similar bets slightly different. I skate listen, whereas that filler, because I still have squeaky shoes, said good question
I imagine I imagine that was a failure that was intended for shoes of the time which often like a much thinner leather soul than laying my sneakers today, which are squeaky
I do not mean the squeak of rubber on floors. I mean the squeak when you take a step, because those Diane Armourer back when not only where you and I working in the same office, but that office is in a different place there and then the office that exists her her yeah company. Now I had this pair of Mary James that I loved and the interior pieces of them made just now loudest most embarrassing squeak and I felt self conscious every time I wore them and nothing I tried to do to address it worked well in that office had very little sound baffling, so I could see where each one would become self conscious with a squeak that would then carry across the entire everything yeah yeah thanks everybody for joining us earnestly no happy Friday. Again, whatever is happening, or we can hope it's gonna be great, we'll be back with an observer,
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