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We have talked about on the episode this week and what we have talked about this week was the occupation of Alcatraz yeah. It's interesting, because it's one of those things that was happening when I was a tiny child. I was kind of born in the midst of this going on like at the end of it, and I remember because I live in the pacific- northwest not long after that they're being a lot of discussion of native american rights, because there were still a pretty significant number of native peoples in the. North West is, there still are, but an us having a very weird and awkward education around it in elementary school bows, illegal, developing her and seemed a little bit closer to home, maybe than some other people might have experienced in other parts of the country yeah where it, I dont, remember a lot of the details, but I do remember particularly one teacher trying to very delicately explained to lake a year.

Holds the nuances of this, which is very hard. Yeah, you're, not really ready for, and the government did really bad things right Unless you ve lived through that hard dont rat explain from up a privileged, largely white population, it was of kids was a little bit of a half scratch your bad. I remember her so valiantly trying to lake not give us a fake version of events, but also be cognizant that these things were still ongoing in developing and then nothing was settled, which is I so hard to teach kids drag lake I know. You're eight were time history. But it's not really history, its rate now yeah. What I am I grew up on the EAST coast and I was born just a few years after you were so this was in these shortly before my birth past, and really a lot of the legislative stuff that we talked about an absurd like that was happening when I was too young to be aware of things in that way, and

I grew up in North Carolina. Our North Carolina history class included things like the removals, which was framed as the Cherokee removal, which there are a lot of our nations besides the Cherokee who were who were part of all that. But, like we learned a lot about that in in North Carolina, history, glass, whereas proudly maybe middle school age, seems right. We did Learn about the determination, relocation policies at all. A hundred percent now in my knowledge, based before I got into this episode and as we both often do you. I had this conversation with my husband that was about what was I was, what I was working on for work and as I can there is this whole policy of termination, which I really was not familiar with and Patrick. My husband grew up in. Work very close to a reservation and he had die. He was like oh yeah, because I grew up so close. The reservations I have I am totally from us, and I think that this is not normally how our conversations go about the shone like that. I ask him if he's ever heard of something and he's like you talk about

most paid to him at all. At his age what pleased about other things that are not necessarily that that yeah, that was, I think that it was just not part of my edges- and all that was more something he knew about because of his personal experience. What was your research lake, particularly on this episode, because we talk about in both the episodes that lake as I was saying, this is of all settled and not knowing so we even referenced lineages book, which is yet our right as it's not working about he had to be clear. I have not. I have not read that book. I do know its forthcoming what I when I first started thinking about doing an episode episode on that which was like a year ago, the first thing that I wanted to make sure of was to make sure that I was reading things that were by people who were there or

As I was saying, this is of all settled in its not knowing, so we even referenced lineages book, which is not yet our right as rich carking about this year. To be clear, I have episode Ways called American Indian Activism Alcatraz longest walk first started? Thinking about doing episode opposite on us, which was like a year ago. The first thing that I wanted to make sure was to make sure that I was reading things that were by people who were there or the first things that picks up was Adam Fortunate, Eagles memoir of it has actually been a couple, a different books that are related to its. I had picked up the more recent them and then, as I was reading through, that I kind of learned about how he was one of the older people. He was in his forties really successful business, he drove a really nice car. I like he. He was pretty well off, especially compared to some of the other p oh, he was interacting with, and I sort of learned about. Ok how how,

word like divisions within the movement which are totally unsurprising and how I needed to make sure not just to get like the native peoples perspective. I also needed to get like I'm a breadth of perspective within the movement. So there was a lot of reading accounts of people who were actually there watching interview footage with people who were actually there and then also of New Yosemites folks are still living. I mean that people, the college students who were involved fifty years ago in their twenty so likes and were still living in, like their sixtys and Seventys day like seeing what what they are working on now, what kind of work they are doing now. Ten clues that circle yeah it's one of the things that comes up periodically in the news, not even specifically this, but just ongoing discussion,

reparations, etc. Not just in the. U S. Canada has had a lot of this going on, and I wonder if there will ever be a point where it feels as though it is resolved in some way yeah, which is hard for media, even get my head around such a concept, really great wine. It's not my life experience to know too I mean betray my hundred, hundreds of years ago, what point Diego now we're even now lie down. I don't know how you would even quantify. Such thing was usually given how recently and how ongoing alot of these things are still still are like are still so many so many people, so like so many native nations who were given land specifically under the tree the treaty that treaty has never been abolished. That treaty has never been a return still supposed to have that land, but other people have taken it, and that's like that still going on, like a hundred

and today, and then this harmonization and removal policies are in such the recent past and were a hundred percent just a hole in my knowledge as I said in the episode, that's so messed up like I still. This is that this is not a completely apt comparison, because it's a different situation, but it's almost like if the UK said not just that Wales isn't going to be part of the UK anymore, but that Wales doesn't exist anymore, like that's the level of how messed up that is right and any cultural element of being Welsh has to be completely obliterate. Yeah yeah, if it is it's hard to parts of a modern day like a current events equivalent that isn't land by case like this, where native peoples were completely overrun and yet and walked on its it is it's very messed up

yeah yeah, worrying currents on this issue. Yet, yes, I wanted to be sure to do this episode, not just because it's the fiftieth anniversary, because its justice such an example of how much of this is still going on today, and how, if, if folks, live in a place where there is not a large population of native people, people sometimes imagined that there aren't the more it is totally false. People also kind of imagine that, like there was like we set an episode that there was a sort of passivity of accepting whatever the federal government said. That's totally false, like this was the story that bit counteract so many false troops, but I thought it was really important to have it. I'm so glad you picked. It think you are right. We will see you guys back your next week with more topic, stuffy miss than history, glass of the production of a radios. How stuff works for more pocket.

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