Bessie Coleman knew that becoming a pilot was her dream. Because she was a black woman, no American flight schools would admit her. Despite the obstacles, Bessie managed to become the first African-American woman in the world to earn a pilot's license.
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That means that the life of this subject does. He call, then, is any less fascinating. Not at all common was the first african american woman in the world to earn a pilot licence, and she was also the first licensed african american pilot of either fact. According to flight journal, she was the contemporary of Amelia Erhard and, in fact, earned her pilot places a year, but
Erhard did. Of course she managed to do this in the early nineteen. Twenty is during a time when most Americans, even those
a community, still felt that a woman's place within the home, not in the workplace and certainly not flying around in the sky
what's more segregation was still a big factor and there weren't any white flight instructors who were willing to take on common ass. A student there, we're gonna, be taking
at? How common overcame these obstacles to pursue her dream? After all, if there weren't white flight instructors, who are willing to take her on, how did she learned to fly
They weren't black white knows: oh yeah, that's gonna be the one of the mysteries we unveil and then we're gonna. Take a look too
why she wanted to learn to fly in the first place and how, after becoming a pilot, she used her position to fight for equality for others of her
but a truly understand what common was up against in pursuing her dream of flying. You really have to go
Way backed her childhood. She was born Elizabeth comment.
January, twenty six eighteen, ninety two in Atlanta Taxes- and she was one of thirteen children and a family of poor sharecroppers.
her mother season Coleman was black and her father. George Common was of mixed race, part african, American and Part Cherokee. Neither bessys parents could read or write for an eighteen. Ninety four George Common moved his family to walk the hatchie taxes and bought a small plot of
bear to build a three room house. Then their new town, the commons, earn a living by picking cotton and all the kids pitched into to help raise money for the family, but they also went to school because their parents wanted a better life for them course pulls works
Get it at the time for Bessie had to walk for miles every day to her school, which was basically just a thing
Rome that handled all eight grades thou were offered, but despite those circumstances that long trip to school and the combined nature, the classroom, bessys academic abilities, really became clear.
even at a young age. She was especially good at math and she even used her skills to make sure the foreman of the fields her family worked and didn't cheat them when it was time for them to get paid. But one but
was somewhere in the age range of six to nine years. Old sources seem to differ on the exact timing of that her father left them. He felt that desk
nation really limited as opportunities for advancement and taxes, and so he wanted to move to indian territory where, as we talked about on some previous podcast, his native american ancestry would have made him more of an equal citizens
but seized and common didn't want that life. She didn't want to be a tough pioneer family, though she stayed behind with the kid than supported the family on her own by working as a cook and a housekeeper for a white fish, which was also tat. Of course I mean, as you would expect it to be, but meanwhile Bessie had to take on the housekeeping duties with her mother away working this the day in her own household and take care of her younger sisters. While her mother was away and often she had.
This school to to do others, which must have been hard for such a bright student. She still had really big dreams, though an Bessys mother encourage that, according to an article on flight journal by Dennis Morality, Bessys
was known to day.
You say in your you'll: never when the race and she's to have our kids
copy, the manners of the White tell me that she worked for and she talk to them about the great achievements African Americans, like a book or to Washington and Harriet Tubman, and it must have made an impression,
when Bessie completed all eight grades in her one room, schoolhouse, and that was all that they offered because they just expected. Ok, you by work, exactly you're gonna go
can the fields now she graduated in nineteen ten, and at that point she knew that she wanted more. After that, she wanted to become something else. First, she had saved up the money by working at the Laundress the whole time and in that
The age of eighteen seized the savings to, and role in, the colored agricultural and normal University in Langston Oklahoma. It's now
university, but she only had enough money to attend for one terms, those things that was that she had to go back home start doing
Andrey and cleaning again to say that the more money so at that point it seem like she wasn't quite sure what her next move was. Gonna, be a mean, obviously, that such a difficult scenario to maintain working saving. My
than going for a for a term. It all changed, though, in her older brother, Walter invited her to come and live with him in Chicago, and she still had to save up for a couple years to make that move possible. But at the age of twenty three Bothy headed
nor in Chicago was just a different world. They had an entire area of the city, the south side, which was settled by mostly blocks, and there were just more job opportunities and there were back and walked to hatch.
so Bessie enrolled in a beauty school and she ended it becoming a manicurist at the white Socks, barbershop affairs after she moved up to Chicago her mom and sisters moved up there too. While her brothers, Walter and John, went off to France to fight and world were won by
time African Americans were allowed to serve in the military in Sacra Gated unit kind of an update from our Massachusetts. Fifty fourth up a good clean, the nobody
to know exactly when Batsy became interested in a flying. It might have been as far back as walks. Hatchie and aeroplanes were, of course, invented in eighteen. Oh two probably made a pretty big impression on most children around then, but it might have also had something to do with the
of airplane technology in World war, wine and the advancements that were being made in their technology, their youth at the time,
I'm and probably she had an interest in world or one with her brothers away fighting. It definitely seem like aeroplanes were the wave of the future in and she took an interest at some point or another.
but regardless of how she got interested by the end of the war, flying had become bessys goal most source.
Actually relate a story about how her older brother John, who had just come home from the war, visited her in the barbershop one day kind of started:
hunting her sort of bragging about the women he met in France, saying that they were so beautiful and intelligent, and some of them could even fly planes
He regaled her with these stories of female pilots. Bessie supposedly responded, that's it. You just called it for me. So that could have been the moment
She knew for she wanted to be a pilot, or maybe she just knew that France was an option for her. They are probably not the reaction, her brother, with expecting from his teething, but either way it was
he right around that time. She started to apply to american flight schools, except that she kept on getting rejected from them. Some schools would tell her they.
Women shouldn't be flying at all, because it was too risky but ray
very well might have had something to do with it too. There were no black flight instructors. There were no black flights fools of the time, but Bessie did not quit. She did not give up on this on this dream. She had told one of her barbershop patrons Robert Abbot about her dream to fly in the problem. She was having making it a reality and that with a pretty good,
I too, to tell your problems too? He was pretty influential. He was the editor of a black weekly newspaper called the Chicago defender. I think that's popped up in in several episodes we ve covered, but one of his biggest goals, woods to quote uplift the race and according to Jaclyn Macleans Profile,
Bessie and women with wings abbot, wanted to help her achieve our goals because he thought it would help prove what african Americans could accomplish a mean if you're interested in uplifting the rays, what better way than to sponsor a pilot? Who can literally fly up away again because people can't say you can't
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when Bessie passed on to Abbot what her brother had told her about France. He of course encourage her to pursue flight school there, whose basically like well. If no one in America will take you, you gotta go somewhere else, so at about eight,
Twenty seven twenty eight bessie used for savings to start taking fresh classed as so. She could learn the language she also applied for a passport and picked up an extra job at a restaurant, just to say that some more money for school and after applying to a few french flight school, she was finally accepted to the control of Brothers School of aviation.
In France. So abbot did proved to be of a benefactor. True to his word. He helped Bessie secure funds for schools that should cover tuition and in late nineteen, twenty. She headed off to France to start a ten month flight choir, though, for about the first seven months of her training, bethia them
took lesson. She learned to fly in French Newport type, eighty two biplane and according to their Macleans, profoundly mentioned during the lessons, a teacher would just sit in the front seat working all the controls and a student pilot like Bothy would have to fit in
back see and you couldn't have thoroughly feed instructor from their or even here the instructor because of course, the end
and was roaring Phil things to learn to fly
feeling the movements of the controls mimicking the instructors motions just really kind of picking it up along the way. Then, on June
Fifteen nineteen twenty one at age, twenty nine Bessie earned her licence from the federal austrian aeronaut teak internet,
you now. As we mentioned earlier, she was the first black woman in the world to earn a pilots licence and the FBI license number.
Pillar was so highly regarded. It was accepted by every country in the world. So this
the licence that you wanted. A vast common finished
a programme and returned home to the states that September where she was met by reporters from both black and white newspapers who wanted to interview her so pretty
At this point, and while in New York, she was invited to see a Broadway musical within all black cast called shuffle along, she was the guest of honor there in the performers gave her Silver CUP intermission,
She asked have started to form some new, pretty big dreams about advancing the african American causing me now that she had achieved this seemingly insurmountable dream of of flying. She had new goals and she started to think about opening an aviation school for black people and according
few Macleans Profile, she said in an interview with the Chicago defender quote: we must have aviators if we are to keep up with the times. I shall never be satisfied until we have men of the race
can fly. Do you know you have never lived until you phone but of course
to open a school. She we need some cash, and at that moment there really was no way for her to make it in the nineteen. Twenty is, after all, there weren't any commercial airlines to work for, and although
worse than pilots who are working for the postal service. They were pretty
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so Bessie realise she would have to make a living as an entertainer performing an air shows, but she needed
we're training to do this because she didn't really learn how to do stunt stirring her first hint in flight school, Arusha performers
This time usually did things like looped, loops and barrel roles and having people parachute out of plane. So
have you area, nineteen? Twenty two bessie went right back to France to learn some track, though she train, therefore, to love and went to Germany too, to train for ten more weeks, and while she was there,
she was filmed flying over Berlin. She returned to the United States in August nineteen twenty two,
old, friend and benefactor Robert Abbot, who
still one of her biggest support.
Immediately scheduled and air show on long island. That would feature her talents in the show took place labour day that timber third nineteen, twenty two Curtis field and according to infect Libido Britannica. This is the first public fly by an african american woman in America, but the people who show
part of plane from for this special occasion, wouldn't allow her to do stunt folk. She's gonna fly around still, though, a huge crowd of people turn out just
her in and to see this remarkable feat of african american woman pilot
After that she dared another exhibition at Checkerboard field in Chicago and there she
get to show off her acrobatic fine techniques, including loops figure, aids and sums.
Fine, tingling depths and dives an audience was really thrill,
I mean I think at one point I read an account where one of the move she did
with a dive that almost made it look as if the plea we're going out of control so that money is really shocked me? They thought something was going wrong in any kind of at the last. Second, she allowed at the open, and she was.
and they were all really thrilled by that. So her stunts earned her the nickname, Queen Bass, daredevil, Aviate tricks and also brave bessie. So Abbot was the one who first started crying her queen vast amounts were that can promote his his investment a little indeed through Bessie
it's pretty famous, as you can imagine by this point, and not long after that Chicago show, with all of the exciting stones, the african american seminal film, producing company garden,
with her about starring in a movie based on her life and her accomplishment called shadow and sunshine
Bessie initially agreed she find on, but right from the beginning, the script called for her to do
In rags and represent this poor, uneducated girl coming to the big city, which of course, hadn't been Herbert situation and all she worked hard to accomplish what she could in Texas in and then made her way to Chicago
She didn't like the way that the stock
in general, the portrayed black woman, she thought it made people black people in general, look ignorant, though she quit and quit
with project really meant she lost the support of the black entertainment community, dropping out
suddenly I mean one cannot help but wonder if she had done this movie, what her name be better known today. That's true. I didn't think about that
but she still needed money after that. She didn't have the support of the entertainment community, but she still needed some cash to save up for her aviation school. I mean, besides the fact that she just needed for money to live as well
I mean we mentioned before her borrowing planes she still and have a plane of her own. So every time she performed somewhere, she had to rely on somebody else alone, her a plane so best you needed to find some gigs fast.
Thought you found a really good one in Oakland California, in early nineteen, twenty three she made a deal with the coasts tyre and rubber company that was based there and they offered to buy her a plain if she would agree to drop ads for them. From a plain during an air show, the show took place February. Fourth, nineteen, twenty three
it, didn't exactly go as planned. It seems like it was off to a good start. Bessie was for the first time
playing her own plane, which was a Curtis J and for better known as a Jenny. It was a year.
Plain, though, she couldn't afford a brand new plane so was left over from World WAR One and wasn't in the best condition. Soon after she took.
that day the planes motor stalled and it fell three hundred feet and crashed. Bessie was okay, but she was
really badly injured. She had a broken leg, fractured ribs and internal injuries. But what
What be surprised me, the most about this whole story is
rather than just being shocked and concerned. The audience, according to Macleans Profile, was really angry that
hadn't gone the show that they came to see and they asked for their money back. That is pretty surprising and we knew it thing
ok show's over and I'm worried. The pilot need
make our released just horror. You know- and I don't know yet
concern for another individual hoping for some bear all then and seeing all the tricks they paid for, but with a long road
recovery, however, and of course her plain demolish, not to mention no funds anymore, Bessie had to go home to Chicago to recoup,
Again there she didn't, let that that back in breaking her leg, keep her down. She told her friends tell them
as soon as I can walk, I'm going to fly
about a year later. She made good on that. She was fully recovered and she planned a tour of lecturers and air shows across Texas, which took
the Houston, San Antonio Dallas and hurled
I'm town of Walks Hatchie and the tourism
success, even though Bessie drew some pretty serious lines in the sand along the way, for example, ripe
were performing and walked Hatchie Sheila,
that black audience members were required to use a separate entrance to the grounds from their white counterparts. So Bessie refuse
to fly unless everyone got to use the same entrance through. This was taking a really big risk on her part because she needed the money she needed that gag. But, surprisingly, the event organizers complied with her request, because after all of the show did not take place, they aren't gonna make any money.
that either in away again, it reminds me of battle page. I think everything remains serious after fitness met his them his pudding. Is
it down on certain issues about how events where segregated bessie
she make enough money, though, off of that taxes, tour to save a little cash and put another down payment on a journey? The plain that she had crashed in originally hoping to to get a better version. This time,
After a brief visit to Chicago to end of nineteen, twenty five, she set off again for another tour, this time a tour of the South Eastern which she lectured
churches and theatres in schools and both Georgia and Florida, and there
Another incident at the Chamber of Commerce Flower Show in Orlando Florida Bessie was supposed
perform and then she found out that the event was advertised for whites. Only again, she refused
to perform unless blocks were allowed. In.
again the organizers relented. I guess when it came down to making money or standing on their questionable principles,
money. Why are you so during these south eastern tour?
Bessie also met at win and be men who is the heir to the beam and chewing gum fortune. He helped her pay off the Jenny plan. She started to buy back in Dallas than she plan to use that plane to perform a very special track, a parachute jump,
Negro Welfare League Field Day and Jacksonville Florida, though she needed a partner further she
a white pilot mechanic named William wills to fly the play
we're from Dallas to Jacksonville and
to make tool emergency landings along the way, because the plane captain experiencing engine problems again.
it was not a new playin, it was the best Bessie could afford and she was having to make them
so will manage to get the plane to Jacksonville, and then he worked on the mechanical issue by the morning of April thirtieth nineteen, twenty six, he told Bessie that the plane
the next day. But that's you wanted to take the plane up to fly over the jump, site and kind of get a feel for how things were going to go on the day of just be prepared appeared so they took off and wills was up. France and ITALY
so they took off and wills was up France and who would be flying the plane during the actual jump and bessie
in the rear, cockpit. She didn't have a seat
fastened, because she was only around five foot, three ash inches tall and she wouldn't be able to lean over the side of the plane and see the ground if she was strapped in some kind of defeat. The purpose of going out the first place
flew out and they circled the area where the jump was going to take place, and then they rose to about three thousand five hundred feet as they started to head back there
travelling long at that elevation at eighty miles per hour and sudden,
plain knows: dives at about one thousand feet at once
tailspin and then five hundred feet, a completely flipped overthrowing Bessie out of the plane and the Falcon
Her wills meanwhile tried to write the plane, but it crashed about one thousand feet from where common landed, and he too was killed in the crash and an investigation that followed reveal that the acts have been caused by around.
That was left in the engine and had gotten all jammed up in the gear, so memorial services were held for com.
In both Jacksonville in Orlando and on may fit. Her remains were returned to Chicago the Illinois. Central train station was apparently packed with mourners upon her arrival and at the service that was held for her at Pilgrim Baptist Church in Chicago about ten thousand people
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woman was buried in Lincoln Cemetery at her grave there's. A five foot high monument that has a full,
of her on it all dressed up in her leather flight gear that she preferred and she standing in front of her plain. So you guys can google pictures opportunities actually really beautiful and her out
circle or to look at, and it's just need to look at cause. I don't know about it before I, this patent Nita just look at her face. It looks kind of intense calamitous photos, twenties era. Aviation costumes are always pretty clicking. Indeed, but
the braided or paid their respects to Bessie after her death white newspapers at the time when they were counted, the
seem to focus more on wills, implying
He was teaching Bessie how to fly, and this is our relation light as it is, and sometimes they didn't even refer to Bessie by name calling her simply the woman, the Chicago defender, though, of course, knew what she truly was and wrote, though, with the crushing of the plane light seized. Her bessie common enough members of the re have been inspired by her courage to carry on in the field of aviation. Whatever is accomplished by members of the race in
creation, will stand as a memorial to Missus Coleman. Enlist reminded me a little bit of veal, Tuskegee airman upset, I think Kennison Jane did awhile back because there, of course, the most famous african american aviators, and I guess, and neither of us had heard of of Bessie Common before it. It is interesting to think of her ass of as
memorial online to to later aviators yeah. I know a lot of people. Dont know her story. Today I mean compared to Amelia Erhard, who, as we mentioned, was a contemporary of hers. She has done
remembered and not way. That's the Chicago surrender mentioned as an inspiration, especially to others of her race in her gender in
the authorities, black entrepreneur, Williams,
Powell founded the Bessie Coleman, arrow clubs, to encourage more african Americans to purchase Peyton flying and then
seventy seven, a group of female black pilots founded the Bessie Common aviators club. She often has a few tributes back in Chicago in eighteen. Ninety arose at o, Hare Airport was renamed Bessie, common drive and in nineteen ninety two Chicago's mirror declared may Second Bessie Coleman Day
so she still remains an inspiration for aviators and even just people who want equality. There is a great quote of her.
is that I wanted to share before we finish off this episode. In its decision.
Is the only place. There is no prejudice up there. Everyone is equal. Everyone is free. That is a really great close, and I think it also interesting to consider her not just an inspiration for african american aviators or a women, but just somebody who went out in accomplish things that she raised money for her french lessons and moved abroad found a school that would teach her, which was
Learn I mean that's inspirational gender and raise the side yeah and she went through a lot to get there. I mean, I think people tend to get discouraged sometimes when they get off track of what they want to do. Like, oh, I have to work this other jobs.
Worked as a laundress and as a manicurist ended all kinds of random things. You know worked in a restaurant and eventually at the age of thirty finally got to
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