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eleven welcome to the past unfair, daddy and I am to believe in shark reporting and Billina. I have a question for you. What's that? Have you ever get the travel journal? I mean I know you like to travel alive. I have kept. Why have attempted to bed? I usually end up getting home. I have a collection of beautiful journal, I bought throughout the years and of taking fill out a page, and then I realized there's a stick: competition between wanting to do things and having time to write about the things. Well, I'm on vacation, and I will get back you get so busy that you just don't have time to re recorded. Everything happens to me too. I am lucky I'll, start writing on the plane, ride, home and maybe felon. If hundred and so try to imagine trying to keep a travel journal for forty years now, and imagine they are expeditions included, not just classic traveller high points. New meal view aid monuments, he saw people, you met that kind of thing, but

and like wars and rebellion and pirate attacks and mean imagine having time. For that I mean I think I would make time to write about a pirate attack that way that would warrant an entry for sure so our subject today, uglier chubby is a seventeenth century ottoman, gentlemen and he's considered by many people to be one of the world's greatest travellers and, by extension, one of the world's greatest travel writer. If he kept a two thousand four hundred folio record of his journey, he called it the stair, hot enemy or a book of travel, and it's the longest traveller in islamic literature, maybe even the longest travel account in the world and from about age. Thirty, until his death in his seventies, every eye was on the move and for as long as he traveled he kept on writing covering his journeys across rivers of ice in the far northern reaches of the Ottoman empire. To the Sahara Desert the Nile River in the south and because every I went to places

many others don't even bother to visit or at least document his record has become a key source for archaeologists, geographers and cultural historians, and that's why, in addition, discussing high points from every is remarkable? Travels were also going to talk about the strange hiss of hot same which at nearly four hundred years old is only now becoming an item of world interest. But before we get to that, there is the matter of athletes whom down. Here is, of course he didn't start travelling until he was

thirty, though we mentioned earlier with a gentleman and in fact his name shall it be means? Gentlemen, though, appropriately enough, he grew up in the cultured atmosphere of the Ottoman Court, where his father was the phones chief Goldsmith and his mother was an occasion, possibly a slave girl, given to the goldsmith in marriage by the thumb who told him Grand AGA you're an old man, but God willing from this maiden, you will have an angel like world, adorning fun and sure enough of Louisbourg nine months, ten days after that and sixteen eleven in Istanbul, and he started his education as other

children of his class, whatever the Madeira fire, which was the arabic school, where he would have learned to recite the Koran become a prayer collar and he would have also study languages to turkish Persian, arabic, plus, greek and latin and stories of roman emperor than Alexander. The great that he picked up from the non Muslims who worked fathers gold shop and when he wasn't studying we're, still learned and indifferent way. He roamed Istanbul watching artisans flooring, mosques and occasionally even attending court with his father by his Sadly, it could recite the entire career from memory. This took him about eight what to do in he do it every single Thursday, and he said he was proud- have maintained this tradition through his life during one of those recitations, in fact that he got kind of his big break in advance

during a recital, every eye was summoned by the reigning Sultan Maraud. The fourth who asked him how long has wrecked recitations chuck, eight hours, must have seemed like a really good answer to her, because the Sultan essentially then told him that they were going to be friends. Ok, fair, which is being friend for the fallen really entail to me. It finds a bit like pursuing a higher education, because every eye was soon set up with a tutor, calligraphy master, spiritual adviser, music teacher for music and singing the grammar instructor pledged his old master for continued crammed studies and though his job essentially became to read and write in a study during the day and night refine. His manners drafts nicely and recite entertaining things were the Sultan really showing off his learning and he he gets a sampling of wet. That's usually involved in his book of travel, fewer accounts and early meeting where

He asked the solemn look. I well. What exactly do you wanna hear me? Reciting of literature can do Persian, arabic, Turkish, he Bruce Theory ACT Greek, maybe a medley of musical forms. Maybe a selection of different kinds of verse, poetry, the solemn, actually even call them, Oh I'm showing off so much because in between cataloguing all this knowledge, this huge platter of things he can recite for the foam he throwing ponds and make witty remark, some of them kind of Ruth Gay and polish. The whole performance off by summer salting out of the room in this kid hidden how to put on a show for sure so his next two years at court involved lots of study, beautiful books, calligraphy practice, those audiences with the sultan and fancy press

as well as silver ink pot studded with jewels. Wasn't one notable one and also a writing board and laid with mother of Pearl good accessory for the scholar, got a german crusted back scratching of the bonus handy that he became actually valued when more at the fourth was feeling down, since he could crack em up with his near constant jokes. Courtiers hurry every in and year would say, quote: look dispelled well has arrived, sometimes is due, would be a little more solemn korean recitations leading calls to prayer singing sad songs, things like that other were more outrageous, such as supervising the sultans wrestling matches and avoid on eighteen August Sultan when he'd pick him up and spinning around which films pretty nerve racking, not something you'd want to do to the phone. So it seems lake with such a prestigious position now mine.

The spending. Of course, every year would really enjoy every moment spent in his home town of Istanbul and at the palace, but from above age twenty onward. He was itching to get away. He wanted to get outside of the city. He had only visited towns just outside of the city wall, though, to make up for that and they didn't have travel magazine, storied he'd quiz dervishes about their travel then learn about the seven clients. The four quarters of the earth really just dumb, make the travel back here he had really even more intense ready to go in addition to his court connection, every ahead. Family pressure is keeping them at home, though, as well in an early book. Wonders quote how to get free of pressure from mother and father and teacher and brother. I think that's probably sentiment. Alot of people

Late too, it must have been on his mind a lot, because whenever he was in his early twenties, he had a dream: the not just a dream. It was a dream of vision, which appears sometimes than podcast note, and they do they took recently. I feel like now and again but in this particular dream he found himself with the islamic Science and the prophet Mohammed who actively to call the morning prayer after he was done earlier, went back before the profit to ask for she thought or intercession

stop and asked instead for similar sounding word and Ottoman Turkish say a hot or travel so Mohammed promises him both plus the visits to the tombs of saints and profit which do end up coming along with his later travel, though. According to the Ottoman historian. Caroline think, all this type of dream vision is a common occurrence of literature from its time and when that every himself used in later account of his travels. But she also notes that in this case, he found especially genuine, like it really was a life changing moment for him, not that he woke up from his dream and started packing, though it still took about ten years before ugly. I could get away the first time, accompanied by a friend visiting nearby Bertha and on the trip back her

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calm scroll down to the roman foreign strip of stuffy, missed in history glass or come over to our social media? We have posts about it there too, since he was travelling with a newly appointed governor. This also started a trend of journeying and control of various public officials, so he'd, Sir, very functions along the way, including things like prayer collar tax, collector courier envoy, Customs, clerk, even mom, basically anything that allowed him to tour with Retinue Arend specific errand to places, but he was interested in. Imagine a more practical version of his work for the Sultan and that's kind of what it was ended, afforded him not only free travel, of course, a job if it goes along with travelling, but a certain amount of protection to you gotta. Imagine bandits in the woods and rabble then

pirates. Of course, this, as we were heard, he mentioned still travelling with a group like this, would have been a safe way to go through every eventually began calling himself, despite all those other professions, Dublin adjust rattled off world traveler and boon companion to mankind which I think some of them up pretty law contains. Many of his journeys were in the company of his mother's kinsmen, the one time Grand Vizier, Melick, Ahmed Partia, and they level to modern Ukraine Sophia Iraq on Iraq, Transylvania, while IKEA and Moldavia. Poland. Bosnia, just a lot of places all over the place in every his range also starts to sound more impressive when you consider he was usually taking away on these travels on horseback after sixteen forty one shipwreck and the black Sea he was kind of put off

travel and so on and off completely. All of his expeditions were overland when he finally hopped on a boat about thirty years later, attempting to visit Cyprus. He was quickly rewarded with that pirated that we mention before, so it turned out that sea travel, which is not for him out of commission for all sea travel and after alma died in sixteen sixty two we are no longer have the major patron this man who he was mostly travelling with, but according to Caroline Finkel article on him in history today, he they didn't have anything stopping him any more from going exactly where he please, though, he ended up going to work as the cavalry man and moving in several major engagements before taking part in a really notable peace mission to Vienna, which established a twenty year truce between the Habsburg than the ottoman than at least account of his trip Vienna is really one of the best love parts of the book of travels because it so full of both dated

beauty and the horrors of the seventeenth century, for example, he's impressed by the Oregon at Saint Stevens and notes that it quote fills the lungs with blood eyes with tears, but he's also really taken by an operation to remove a bullet from a man's head and the doctrine that he himself receive. To stabilize three chief, had had been hit by a javelin and he's kind of scandal caused by social customs. He feels when he's in Vienna for instance men and women, socializing together in public women socializing with other husbands president, but other famed I am even though this clearly disturbed him. He finds no problems talking with and even befriending individual european film after this epoch trip to Vienna every moved up to Crimea, up the Volga two convention and then briefly back to establish these chips back to his temple are really really

short and come with large stands of travel and between by sixteen sixty eight. He visited Greece. This is another really famous part of the book of travels because he described the Parthenon, which was then functioning as mosque, and the reason why this account is so particularly important, and why the detail is though valued is because just twenty years after every asylum saw the Parthenon, the building was course blown up when a cannon ignited and Ottoman munitions camp I mean sometimes it's easy to forget that be ruined Parthenon didn't used to be quite is ruined, as it is today In sixteen sixty nine? He saw the ottomans, take a cretin fortress after a twenty one, you're siege and he had the honour of coin first prayer there and then in sixteen seventy one at about each sixty. He embarked on his pilgrimage to MECCA again, dreaming of blessings and this time from his father and his former teacher, and it's interesting too,

Did I mean, of course, for a man who travelled so much and who was so devoured? It seems like he would have tried to get to MECCA earlier in his life. He did try to go. He had a they lay him. So this was a real lifetime goal to finally be making it to MECCA, and when he did it, he went with three companions. Eight servants fifteen arabian horses, so every ended up spending twice the time that an we'll trip from a bull to MECCA would take together long road after is pilgrimage of settled in Cairo surveyed the city and made a short attempt to find it course of the Nile, but he died around

extend eighty four likely in Cairo, though the exact date and location are still unknown. Okay, so now that we have covered. In brief, of course, every is forty years of travel. What did he have to say about all these places wet mid what he had to say, so he needs in the first place than to certain extent. His work is fairly formulaic in towns or cities who write about two Parker Fee: fortifications, monuments. You know what you might expect from a newcomer to a town, but will also talk about dressed and cuisine, occupations, class structure, medicine, naming customs speech, literature hygiene which, by the way he was really pretty until he had his slave- that when we clean out a public bath house were the benefit of the people, you just thought it was to growth and then in the countryside, he thought of stock to a formula to kind of the in between parts of his travel. After all, and you talk about the landscape, how long it

to get somewhere the direction he was headed in any high point. Flake saints tombs along the way, But- and this is the important part with all the cataloguing- usually comes an anecdote, a conversation he has with a local authority or a legend in many cases. His is the only record of notable people are strange customs in a given area, because other people too didn't had it down and like any good travel writers of the neatest examples of anecdotes have to do with one of our with things soon, in writing. So, for instance, he brooded over whether its religiously acceptable to eat horse me with Tatars and since the had a bed and another funny example. Here themes that its probable ok to eat. Giraffe me with the people in Sudan. He actually right God willing. It is permit I have not found a discussion of it in the sources. He also claims to have found price.

In cannibals among the comic sewer western Mongols, who he says, would eat their dead to honour them perhaps most memorably. He talks about Mr Cashman Village stem of ensuring a dead body in a wooden box in a hollow tree. So if the bees made honey, that meant that the sole would go to Heaven, but unfortunately, Actually he experienced this tradition first hand after he accept some rather Harry Honey from a local and ends up learning that its honey from a hive that was built on a dead man's crotch has an appropriately freaking out kind of expensive to learning this, but Emily agenda be biography. Robert, Dank off also notes that the further out on the frontier at as the more remarkable his story than I mean. I don't know if we should consider the cannibals and the honey ones kind of in that end of the spectrum, but some of the things that sound really shocking are, of course true. He talks about female circumcision, for instance,

but others are clearly made up. He includes fake trips to western Europe ones with ridiculously short timelines, especially considering Avalon what we can already assume about how he preferred to travel, which was leisurely and then author folk tales that are obviously not true in their prevented, as fact, and I think this is interesting that, according to dank off, wasn't like every was trying to pull over on his readers. He suggests other It would have immediately recognise these disaffection just like modern readers, wood and they were really just included to entertain something that doesn't exactly fat. I guess with our notions of travellers, today. I want to make things, but I like it to something about that appeals to me. I will, if you like nowadays, we want to know if they really want to know whether this is journalistic. Is it true, or is it something that so you that has fallen either camp, that

combination of the two does sound guttering interesting, so consider the importance of the book of travels a geographic document, a cultural archive and just a bounty of really well too. Stories you figure. It will be widely available that that is not the case feel every is certainly a considered an audience in his writing likely. Who were well off agitated ottomans like himself, that's really not how it went down after his death. The mania stayed in private collections and Cairo until seventeen forty two when it was given to the chief black eunuch, who is one of the highest officials at autumn in court, and he realized tat. It was pure gold and ordered up more copies of it right away certain of these copies were eventually printed in autumn in Turkish now, which is kind of like Middle English, for modern Turkey, airily pretty impossible to read for anybody but scholar, exactly

It was translated into English as well, so the book of travels became known for one which surveys stand ball, but the document as a whole was considered privilege unimportant not worth translating the whole thing, though either way. Eighteen hundred, it was printed in its entirety, but at that point the Sultan considered some part two. Risky and how large sections censored? I was really the only thing that people how to work with for about a century fight in the MID nineteen Ninetys, it was transcribed in its entirety into modern Turkish still. There only extracts available in English me when I first learn about this guy. I immediately checked my library expecting to build

and a copy and the high where he good lack but another hold up with people. I guess studying the home manuscripts studying the whole piece of literature. Is it's really huge in his biography of every hour? Robert dean cough writes that quote the gigantic scope of the work deterred. Investigators from analyzing its structure beyond a mere enumeration of its basic contents. Characteristically guys have approached the fair, hot enemy as though it were a huge mine with numerous unconnected passageways that what I take away from this is that, because it have so many relevant details to very specific areas of study like botany or food in vat on oh eat, the Ukraine, or something like people will go in and look for what concerns their own work and not really consider the whole work and the life behind us

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something knowing about the region they pass through if you still live in that region, but this was four hundred is the girl. It's definitely put that puts a stand on the whole thing. That's pretty amazing! I have one final point too. I wanna make about travel writing in general. I was trying to think about what makes good travel writing. We ve already established that we can't even keep you know Of course, when we goin vacations that I do like reading travel writing and I think that right Strong travel, writing usually does have all of those details, but has a strong enough present find it that somehow it all filled unified without Like I'm just reading about what this person is thinking in going through what what appeal Theo Van Gogh tolerating well,

makes me kind of think about what we were saying about every I mean what really appeals to me as when a person becomes a part of a place there not just observing, and you know telling you what they're saying and what their tasting and whatever their doing there talking to people and not just talking to people that mean coming friends of the people. You know forming relationships with them and real if you mean immersed in the culture, because I think you know that's what a really good trip. That's what really makes me want to go on. A trip is knowing my care could become part of this place, and this is what it's really like one. That kind of writing is what that a good apple narrative, apart from just a guide barker, something where it's just telling you what you need to get go see, there's no personality behind. It I think one of the reasons why uglier is such a strong traveller and while why he is so appealing after all these years, is that, even though he was very,

a man, he was well off. Well educated, he was devoted to his empire, but he's pretty open minded. During his travels I mean he would include stereotypes but, like I said earlier, was willing to go meet people and talk to people and talk to the average people too and find out what they were doing. He didn't let it stop him from from really syrian thing a place than he knew how to describe things tis. He is known for comparing things to bet all three one. Everyone can do something everyone can relate to emphatically, even for a hundred years later, though, let us know what you think makes a good travel. In writing or any tracker labor it travels. Worry is a very good question. I love to read good travel art the notorious for buying those, and you know year the anthology we try- and here I am writing calls, though let us nowhere,

very pie cast at discovery, dot com, and I guess that's a good time to go right. Because I'm material for bankers- and you know year and Anthony We haven't email from Kathleen and she wrote in to suggest that we coverage and french resistance history, which I have always wanted to do at gunpoint that I wanted to include one little story she shared with us. She said the reason I'm sending this letter today is that I was prompted to write. By an unusual incident on my drive to work this morning. It was true down olive Avenue, Burbank California, when I noticed a strange phenomenon whenever it for a red light. My public radio station would fade out into my surprise and delight your palm cap n. I recognize it immediately if the second in the h h homes to partner So I hadn't done without yet and that I've been intimidating. I thought at first he must have reached a deal to be broadcast them

the radio but later realise what must have happened. Another in history. Fan must have been driving. The exact same route have exact same time using an FM ipod transmitter to listen through his or her car stereo. I dont use an mp3 player myself, though it couldn't have been coming from me to add unlikely event. My public radio station couldn't have been more than point one or point to away on the item. Number dial from the undersigned number is transmitter chose to broadcast on, or I would never have picked up its transmission very habit. Burbank is so sad with listeners that it is possible for us to be driving the same route. The same time only a car linked a fraction of a radio down member apart. So I thought this is pretty fun and also so glad cap weakening the listener, because if it had started a hearing, the h h, homes, podcast lawyer, driving to work in the morning it might be.

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