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and pies and attention catching in the annals of naval history eyes. The titanic bows journal thing, but if you would deny that, I guess I should say marine history rather than naval history. It is there seagoing thy falter and it was almost like a hotel on the water. The idea behind it was precisely that I'd jabers is may and Lord pure If parliament will shipbuilders, they were a dinner one night and they were talking about the keener lines newest liners that Mauritania Lusitania and they themselves. We can make wine or three even with their plan, that we can have a triumvirate of ships that were even bigger and better the Olympic, the gigantic and the Titanic that's right and they wanted to make these not only fast likely, QR line but but luxurious in an attractive for further. You know the aristocratic passenger then you know a pretty penny to go on lay the idea being that the more com,

ball and luxurious shad. The longer distance people would be well travel, and so they weren't sallying. You know a couple dollars worth of tickets to people, we're talking about a first class than in today's dollars is equivalent to about three thousand dollars to about eighty thousand dollars vicious ton of money. I mean, I don't even know people who spend on air fare unifying halfway across the world. Good point: maybe you do if you dear, oh, write me a gazelle travel. So then what made the titanic so special? Well, is it saying, because it was so incredibly lush and you know the first passengers. You know they were. They were used to being true nicely bananas nicely. As on this is on this ship I mean they had such I beg you. They had a squash court. I thinking that you mention in the article and one of the others, there were turkish bath yeah, that's true that these things are amenities that people had to pay a little, but extra for by you bring up an important point about the first,

and what they had access share, and I am sure that all of you know that, but there were three distinct clauses on board the Titanic first, second and steerage So it's really important sort of go ahead in your mind as your picturing the titanic, and that I think the nine different deck levels of it that it was very stratified, replaces that first class were permitted to go. I mean they could go anywhere. They wandered like state aid that much, but they weren't gonna hundred down to steerage cabins, but then the third class pretty much restricted to the bottom of the boat. Second class in the middle, and this was such a Ghana, egg Shad that required some really special engineering, make it gown and a nocturnal idea. I'm no engineer, I'm not gonna, professed to know everything about horse power, etc, etc. But I do know that it has Two giant engines that allow for stories tall and these two three propellers over the twenty three feet across, and so it's the egg and enable the ship to go about twenty four nights and

that may sound slow to us today, the back, then I was really fast. You're an effort in the running against the QR line, which is the ships that they wanted to compete against, and it was faster than none, but it sort of worked out in the that's, not what this is about that those interesting. You mention the class distinctions. You know that might strike our modern sensibilities is, is classes on which it is but sing, a notice they on the third pillar? swear even treated, maybe even better than other ships of the time, because they had their own in closed rooms and I was kind of a luxury in itself, a wise, for them didn't even have that where they were coming from and the way STAR line, which was the manufacture of these three ships new. Many of the statement, where european emigrants you're going to New York. To start a new life and they really sort of approach this with a delicate sensibility and it to make this a very special and memorable passage for them, and to that end the quarters they

for the Titanic were so much nicer than anything they would have seen in any other ship friends were real match or says, whereas on other ships steerage. What if straw felt sacks to sleep on now that say that compared with the private and Samuel that baths of the upper class Dax. But I think that whispered about continuous design and feeling that parade integrity of the ship, but it wasn't just a third class it had top of the line. Is everyone that's true view of the China and India being like they had this the whole ship. The sort of area designed to it with palm trees, everything with blush and You know they wanted to promote this. This luxurious atmosphere so much that you look like the decks We want to clutter them up too much with even safety equipment, for instance state on this day. Yes, so we have these wide open swathes of gleaming, with tax and Thomas Andrews, who is

designer he design this ship to be unthinkable It is interesting to mean you look at both. The engineers in endless passengers aboard were pretty confident the sheer size of the titanic. It was so gigantic that they felt really comfortable there that you know it was the safe ride, so to think when you're Nevada Station Wagon, yet nothing nothing can harm. You is so large a true, and it wasn't just this the ship that many people think it was unthinkable. The ship's designer Mr Andrews Design, water, tight doors to drop down between each the sixteen compartments and the bottom of the ship. The idea being that if something happened to the ship cheer with three of those compartments could flood and the ship wouldn't sank and even in a stretch, four could take on some water and the ship would still stay afloat.

I know, make me feel pretty secure, I mean, and we go back to the idea that they didn't have a lot of safety equipment on the decks and valleys me to my question. Actually that I have for you is: is it true? we'll say that if they did have enough lifeboats, they would have been able to save a lot more people from the thinking. That, sadly, is a fiction. Really a year and it's funny because that's a point that people really harp on attached to that there were not enough lifeboats to save everyone on the titanic. I think people really latch onto this idea, because we would like to think that history could be changed if there were more precautions, but the fact of the matter as there were so many in that went wrong with a dynamic, even before I picked up passenger is that I think it was deemed saying from the star. That's right, even if you look as far back as the construction of it. I mean people say that the constructive Substandard iron, even in in the material to you to bank, to make the ship, and, even though, technology, the

coolly wireless telegraphy it- it was seen as may be to cutting edge because a lot of people out there on the boat they didn't know how to use. It necessarily returned to decipher it right attack was sinking Ets and audits, distress calls people couldn't interpret that it was like speaking in a totally different language and there's some information out there about their not being enough rivets for the river. Weren't tightened properly, and we know for a fact- that it only under went about six or seven hours worth of testing, and I think it turned once it but it was never even sailed at its top speed What's more a lot of the crew didn't get on board and tall and our safer for the passengers dead and they weren't even told with their jobs war until after they got on the ship. So how can you be a proper look out? the ship, when you haven't been trained in the post, Sesar doesn't leave a lot of time for training and also, if you look at the design of the ship, even I read that the road

was actually kind of an old fashioned design and it with some smaller than even the competitions rudders into this made it so the them that ship itself as a less maneuverable, and I couldn't shift out of an emergency situation as fast as they should have so many something that large it's like if you're you're driving in our v and all of a sudden, you are in your nearing, stop sign. You need to know ahead of time that Unita hadn't start breaking slowly. You can't Islam on the brakes, expect things. Do ok? It's not like you know my anybody. Honda Civic were to do that the Titanic same way if they saw thing in the water that they needed to avoid an iceberg. They hadn't about a couple. Myles had me on the single returning you still need a bigger radios to turn something that large and put my favorite point about how ill prepared the Titanic was for this voyage, and that's just smacks of conspiracy is that J P Morgan was one of the big financial backers

there's some recent evidence slightly that he cat encouraging the shipbuilders too. Whose cheaper and cheaper materials, because he wonders much bang for his back ass. He could get scandalous scandalously here. Where it gets even juice. Here he was supposed to be on the maiden voyage and then just a couple of hours beforehand. Senna business came off he ride so little sister I know that, although it aside back to the lifeboats in question South American, ice and numbers to see, you can help visualize add, and I wanted to clarify two- that there are so many numbers out there when it comes to the Titanic, because parliament conducted an inquiries and set sail from England, but the? U S, son, it also condemn, that an inquiry, and that may some kind of funny and a kind of is one of the senators Senator William? Mess knew the captain of the Titanic Johns Math and heat

sailed with them before and thought he said, good captain. How could this happen, and so the thank God involved here again yet of marking conspiratorial, so did they differ? Investigations come up with different respect. The result is now just about the same thing, but the numbers are a little bit differently is so we know There were enough lifeboats to hold one thousand. One hundred seventy six passengers and that only if there are felt a capacity so on board, again, numbers in the. U s out. We know there are two thousand two hundred people and eight hundred ninety nine crew members, so If you're doing about that fast, you know that's not enough. You can't others people onto boats, and the reason why they had so few lifeboats onboard sixteen is that the Board of Trade was the governing body that set the rules for ocean liners at this time and the number of requisite lifeboats for ships up to ten thousand tonnes with sixteen. While the titanic was forty, five thousand tonnes

but no one had bother to sit down and do the math and say we need this. Many more lifeboats, two candidate that different, so the Board of Trade regulation sort of went up to it was an old fashioned maximum. They weren't sort of expecting something as big as a tight Hannah needing a regulation exists and you found the point earlier Jane when you are talking about not one into clutter Dax. I think that titanic Ex bills, and designers conveniently misinterpreted the guidelines. It could have filled in the number they needed, but they didn't give you another their Dax too exciting opening clean by our case are you asked? Could everyone have been saved if there isn't enough life? Did it matter now, not merely when I was talking about how inefficient, for a wise and how it will prepare they weren't how little testing the ship had undergone. I think vainly practice. Lowering white two to four lifeboats is that right I think I think I remember hearing MR so they didn't have an accurate time estimation for how long it would take to get that many people overboard.

If you look at the survivors, about it. You ll notice that not even all of the lifeboats, they worked filled to capacity some of them and death. We scandalous there's one survivor who wrote that its past, You saw that deserve, puts it have to take a fifty four drop in that country. Them, and I thought well Emanistic on an unthinkable titanic using go ahead in this. One survivor claims that he ass to beyond. This is unfair and filled lifeboat, and they said women and children first see later and they lowered the boat and as is its contents meant to they didn't really know what they were doing when they were lowering these boats knowing tat, and there were two evacuations on either side of the ship and one of the people and acting investigation on one side said women and children. Fur the guy on the other side was letting anyone who could get in get on by

when we say anyone we mean first class and then second class. Third class doesn't even told that the ship was thinking until well after the fact- and it was such a quiet faster when the ship scrape the iceberg, it happens quickly and so quietly that no one really realise any damage has been done until Thomas Andrews instructed him said yeah it certain it's gonna think and it's scary to think about. The past that must have ensued down in a serious tax, because even people saw water, filling cabins like we set weren't allow just free room over the chef like the other class passengers were, can you imagine them just getting lost in the bottom? As you know, I'm a delivery riots and undue fights the place is crazy. I was I mean it is essentially a struggle to survive behind later on, when white, star fan out rescue craft to search for them, bodies or any survivors, they got really confused because they saw somebody court

swearing garments, a first class passengers, but essentially crew and steer it. Aided the cabins and put on whatever they could to stay warm as a terrible zones illegally went through a lot of heaven and panic these last few moments, yeah yeah. I can't even imagine how scary lies and the recovery efforts for disasters tear I mean when the news breadth of the Titanic had sung the world withstand of this was the unthinkable, Shap I think it took nearly a week to even compile a list of all the survivors and all the deceased surrounded Israel captures the imagination. Even today I mean fewer people are upset with knowing what actually happened. You know people that they have varying historical accounts who is to blame and in its so pretty and ten debate on the board, and people are obsessed with the story of the type that I cannot yet another, because there were so many passengers on and everyone had a different story, and everyone here different, I witness account. There are people who said that the ship broken half of what we think there are people who didn't report by and later on. I think people

haha litigation nightmare because, like we said parliament son had conducted investigations, but any law suits and were brought on the White Starlight brought on by families as the individual passengers for other people lost or property lost, and how how could you even prove anything with all the different testimonies that rate and one one scandal that people disagree on is about the chairman and managing director of the the start. The white star is at it to my China, north airline. His name is bruises maize, as you said in he actually jumped on one of these not quite filled lifeboats and people, say. Oh, what a coward like he took someone else's space when really like it. It would not have been taken by by another person lilies. Some organisations like that organic historical society, try to defend him and say that he had a wife and kids and no one

was around- and he just took his opportunity to save his life and otherwise see just would have been signed with the ship, and then it was sad because after he he survived and after he got to America, you sort of ridicule by the way William, Randolph Hers and whose newspapers and in England serve They accepted him, but America, you got maligned, I'm sure dad and if you look at the two, arguably other important figures on board from Like Thomas during the ship's designer and then the captain of the ship Captain Psmith. They both sort of we waited on board and went down at the ship and Thomas Andrews. In particular, I mean, even if you think, about Gene Cameron's titanic that really poignant senior. He says I wish I could have been even better. Ship. Miss rose that real sort of how it hath, not necessarily, but he didn't Parana life fast and he's done, where the first passengers interests quietly, wait, add just so

the draft underneath the surface of the water sure artifacts had been brought out like one of those haunting things. I thought there there's the surface of the water azure artifacts that have been brought out like one of his hunting things. I thought there there's a traveling titanic, exhibit called Titanic Aquatic, and you can see all these things that Armas Titanic has Howard and particular society, and they have so owner over the shipwreck and one of them it's just that was it. Perhaps that went down was made of wood and had these porcelain, Groton dishes in it and over time, the wood from the turn a cabinet disintegrated, but the and dishes were left perfectly stacked and neat little rose and that's how right now and the display their stacked and neat little rose in it. So creepy. That is fascinating because, like the rest of of the detective, you see like even the exterior of the ship underwater, it's really creepy to see because of what the boy, the pressure and the water has done to it

to see something that has survived that that's really weird at hand, and I know what you're talking about like. If you see pictures haven't you see this unified, weird sea weed things waiving the water off the ship's rail, Jan archaeologists, have a word for them. There called rustic calls because a cent all these little tiny, microbes underwater, just feasting on the Shap and they suspect that in another I think, exist ninety years time. The ships is going to collapse and employed in on itself, and it's gonna be over. So there's a lot of argument right now about whether or not we should actually raise what's left of the hall, this really interesting, because I mean as someone who's fascinated with the story. I, of course like I, want to being supportive like bring it up, because I want to see such an using artifact of history destroyed just by no nature an income take a sham beyond the others. I really not even justified out without. Could I really feel that that belongs, because even in the recovery effort some of those bodies, not all of them,

rides and thrown beneath the water steerage and crew members that were recovered, their bodies were actually two iron rides and thrown beneath the waters? They were in essence, buried at sea, and so I think that, through the shepherd, Yeah,

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