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Interview: Rosenwald Schools with Andrew Feiler

2021-08-18 | 🔗

Holly is joined by photographer Andrew Feiler, author of “A Better Life for Their Children: Julius Rosenwald, Booker T. Washington, and the 4,978 Schools that Changed America.” Andrew shares stories of capturing these schools, photographing John Lewis, and the legacy of the Rosenwald schools.

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Welcome to stuff you missed in history, glass, a production of Iheart Radio, hello, unwelcome upon cast I'm hotly fry and I'm Tracy Wealth and I'm a very spoiled child. So I recently he got the chance to chat with photographer Andrew Filer, who has a new book out titled, a better life for their children, Julius rose and Wild Booker T Washington. thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight schools that changed America. Now I am actually been wanting to talk about the rose unwalled schools for a while. So I was very excited about Andrews Book, particularly because it is as beautiful as it is, moving and informative yeah. I think so, talking about wanting to do an episode on them way back when we did the Sears history
answer view yeah we was years ago has than we had during their cargo, and I wanted to do it, but I never felt like I had like their rights entry point and then address book. Happened and made it easy This is not Andrews First book. His previous book also have a historical theme its, old without regard to sex, race or color, the past present and future of one historically black college. This now back- have also become an exhibit at the National Centre for civil and human rights in Atlanta, and it will tour after it. initiatives there at the end of this year? Yet will talk, but that a bit during the interview. So let's jump right into that. We're Andrew shares how he ended up a photographer and specifically of attraction, documenting and writing about history. Foresaw Andrew! Thank you so much for me. It s great to be with you. Thank you for having what a delight for me. I feel so spoilt.
primary reason? You're here today is so we can talk about your latest book, but this is not your first book so do the runway to it. I will make sure we talk about your first book, which was without hard to sex race, color, the past present and future of one historically black college, and that covers the history of more is brown so before we get into the newest. I would like for you to tell us your story. How you started pursuing a career, photography and are you ended up focusing you're lens on the subjects you have really history, and particularly black history, so in two thousand and eight I down a path that was for I have very difficult years. I taken over a family realestate business in two thousand to and my dad had gotten sick two thousand we went away from my parents fiftieth the anniversary at another, his partner in the business. We got back next day my business partner died
Thirteen days later, my brother was diagnosed with a truly life threatening bone cancer. Suddenly he has, he is thirteen years cancer free. But that was not a gift. the time soon after that, my father's health completely collapsed. And then the real estate world imploded in the great recession and I spent three years and for Munster and real estate work out and co actively there's the types of experiences are cause you to say what you under the rest, her life, and so, I started down the path in the midst of this period my top of my life. I've been a serious photographer most of my life. I started on this path of take him, work more seriously and mercifully getting taken more seriously and it the things that you have to do, and in that process his figure. What does your voice as a photographer where's? Your voice is an artist. I've been a civic activists, my entire life as well, founded more than a
and civic initiatives? I serve on a number of boards of not for profits. I have been in did advisor for many years to a number of elected officials and political candidates, and when I found this I really is. I started to explore this job photography more diligently Is that my photographic voice was my civic voice. And I was working on a body of work on abandoned public school spaces in the south, because in a band public school is a story of demographics. Right fly gentrification when Moorish Brown, were filed for bankruptcy, So I thought you know. This is a really important story. It has race, it's an historically bought college. It has religion management colleges granted under the auspices of the Amy Church, it has class because it was a college that had become one. It was primarily focused on them, children and families of less remains in that story,
that Multi layered story becomes my first book but it was also cup but my problem is to read and shoot and shoot and read in the reading and forms a shooting in the shooting and forms a reading. An there was tooth moment. That really shaped that project. One when I came across the statistic that, there were originally about a hundred twenty. Historically black colleges in America were down to about a hundred those one hundred colleges are three percent of colleges in America. They are more ten percent of African Americans college. More than twenty five percent of African Americans earned Greece and that re plants, the story in the of this central question we have in our culture today. What is our? How do we create on Ramsden American Middle classes and studied that question I realized I stumbled on this much broader american narrative education, spend the backbone of the american dream since before there was a United States of America, the first taxpayer for
school is founded and Data Massachusetts in sixteen forty for that grant Kojak, which creates colleges all across Americans, create an eighteen. Sixty two historically bought colleges in the decades after the civil war Rosen. Schools in their early decades of the twentieth century. The edges Some provisions of the J Ai Bill tree, form America from relatively poured a relatively prosperous brown version, what of education or the highlights of these civil rights movement? What are we talking about today? crushing levels, a student, deck college, affordability, college access is more than three hundred and seventy five year narrative arc. Ah, if The tribes american history as it, at risk, and that became the message in this first book and then how did the roses Schools get on your They are I. I turned in my first book to my publisher, who is was early. Two thousand fifteen upper comes out at the end of two thousand fifteen, and in February two thousand fifteen. I found myself at lunch.
With a woman, ingenious hurry back Jenny had originated the role of african american heritage, specialist, the Georgia statist or Preservation Office and she's. The first person to tell me about rosenwald schools calls and I was shocked I'm a fifth generation jewish Georgian. I have been a progressive activists, my entire, like the pillars of this story, southern jewish programme activists are the poorest my live. How could I never had arisen roads, schools so come and I Google Roosevelt schools. I found this a couple of academic books on the topic but there was no comprehensive photographic countered the story, and I said- how to do exactly that. So far, listeners to lay the groundwork we, tell us just about the rose, while schools and what their purpose was and how they got set up should Julius russian world is better. To jewish emigrants who had fled religious persecution and Germany. He grows up in Springfield Illinois across the street, from Abraham, Lincoln Tom.
He rises to become the President Sears Robot can company and with innovations like satisfaction guaranteed or your money back. He turned Sears into the world's largest retailer of its error, and he becomes one of them the eastern greatest philanthropists in american history, his cause is widely becomes known as civil rights, but could you Washington born into slavery and Virginia, to Hampton College and Virginia becomes an educator and as the founding principle of historically black college in Alabama, known, Dennis Tuskegee Institute and the two men, meat and nineteen eleven, just remember Nineteen eleven is before the great migration wished begin until later that jacket? So ninety percent of African Americans live in the south and publics as for African Americans, are mostly shocks with small fraction of the funding provided to the education of white children. Many jurisdictions do not even have public schools raft. Americans,
but could you Washington asks Julius right wrong to join the board of tough? later. Nineteen eleven here Greece, but the two men keep talking. What can we do together and they focused on this idea. Public schools for African Americans and the there's genius in this programme. They reach The black communities of the south. And they say we want you to be a full partner in your progress- must contribute to ask if you will contribute to a school, and we will count as your contribution, cash, land, materials or labour and, if you reach out to the school board, Thou white scoreboard, because we- to create deliberate black white dialogue as a foundation for future progress, and these have to be public school, so the White School board? We welcome their contributions, but what they have to do is agreed own, maintain staff, the school paper, the teachers, you do, those things Injurious Rosemont will make a substantial contribution to school construction. and from nineteen twelve nineteen. Thirty seven, this programme
Four thousand nine hundred and seventy eight schools across fifteen southern and border states, and the result is transformative. Why Thing that's interesting in case people do not know the timeline of, Birdy Washington's life? He died not that long after the two men Matlock less than four years after they met but still he was very clearly influential on it. On this whole project. Can you talk about how Julius Raisin, while continued kind of the dialogue after his partner in this project, was no longer there now? So jewish was one of worker to Washington shared two important values. Julius Rosen Walled was deeply. Better to America. because he saw America as a safe haven from Anti Semitism and He saw that America weakened by its treatment of african American but could you wash intercourse, was dedicated to the of African Americans,
and they also shared commitment to self help, and it was property. Washington who understood that, Education is the path forward and that will- missing in the panoply of education? Was small school houses small because everybody we're, not buses for these school houses and they had to be a walk to these schools, and so many of these most of these schools, particularly as the program very small, and so they yet this programme together, but it must be successful, enjoy is more committed to continuing the programme even after the death of poverty. Washington. His partner in this enter its important enough. but the relationship between Julius Rose and Wild and broker to Washington is one of the earlier collaboration between Jews and African Americans and there is a- wreck connection between there. Collaboration, their friendship.
rabbi, Abraham Josh were special working with, doktor king, who famously says of that experience of working with Doktor king that it felt like his feet, were praying and what happen in Georgia earlier this year. When Raphia worn out John. Our soft criss crossed the state to gather yeah for two months. Clearly built not just a political alliance but a deep personal friendship that relationship And which Georgia sends its first african american senator its first jewish senator to the United States Senate that relationship between John Ass, often and Raphael. Warnock stands on the shoulders the relationship. The friendship between we were small and broker to Washington You are, as you said, a photographer, but this book has a lot of writing. Every photograph comes with a story Without always your intention. It was
but that was actually knew you. I can't what happened so what I knew this was an extraordinary story. The question is How do you tell the story? Visually? and I started out with exterior images two three teacher schools, white small white carbon buildings to the end of the programme. There's one two and three story: red brick buildings but that story was incomplete, because of the original four thousand nine hundred and seventy eight closures about five hundred laughed Only half of those have been restored in too many, Schools are at risk of collapse. There is an inherent component of the story, which is the plea for preservation. These spaces are the locusts History and memory, and so needed to tell the adapter reuse story and the pressure. narrative and suddenly I need I need to get inside and suddenly I need permission and one need permission, you're gonna, start talking to people. That's when I met these
strawberry people, former students, former teachers, his power herbaceous historians that are trying to save these structures and and up telling their narratives through portraits, but in the car some meeting. All these people do, as I said earlier, my process issued and read and reading shoot and in the reading in forms of shooting in the shooting and forms a reading, and I came across so many incredible stories indeed I felt compelled to write a short story that goes with every image or in some cases, pairs of images. I found one and what's course connected to the trail of tears. the great migration to the top, He syphilis study to the story of the Tuskegee, Araminta Litigation or Brown, be bored, embezzlement, murder. and those stories are told in the pros. Compliments, and this is actually a hybrid body of work. It's both images and stories that go together. Did you ever had,
The fact that you are going to become a writer and historian, in addition to this photography career that you would switch to what this interesting actually Ivan I've had. It is interesting history, my entire life. I took up my undergraduate reduction economics, but I took a lotta history classes in college. I should have to graduate degrees ones, an mba, but one is actually a pay. Modern history degree and so the history component of it came relate to me but I certainly never expected to be writing. Sixteen thousand words of story on us, but the the stories are so extraordinary and so powerful that it, it was a joy to have that, as part of this process
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to start you better, absolutely one of the few people have ever met the wages burst into tears. The second I met him. Will you talk about how that came to be that you got two haven't be part of this and that beautiful portrait that you may have him thank here, so I have to Miss said a little bit of context This programme transforms America Dirt Economists in the Federal Reserve, Bank or Chicago have done five studies. Original schools with their data shows prior to world were one. There is a large and persistent black white education gap in the south in that cap loses precipitously between work or want to work or two in the single greatest driver. That achievement is Roosevelt schools. Other major impact of this programme is a many. The leaders and foot soldiers of the movement come through. These calls my Angelou Beggar Everest, multiple members of the Little Rock nine who emigrate little Rock central highschool anko- women drama was all attended, run. Its course Two hundred and Louis is clearly the most prominent alone,
Otherwise much goes programme living at the time. I was working on this project grew up in Savannah, left the south after high school and bouncing around the world for fifteen years decided it was finally safe to come back to the south of south of grown up. In my absence I came back I had been. I was a condition of congressman. Lewis is four hundred and twenty five years older than the fifth congressional district, the entire time I've been in Atlanta it's our reach outer congressmen. The reason I asked him if he would contribute introduction to the spot, and he said you know- I'm not I'm comfortable, spreading the history of rage and roads, schools. I just went to school there. A nurse Three other essays in this book one by Jenny, Syriac at this data stored preservation off as one by Brent legs who heads up the african American Cultural Heritage, actions funded the National trust for short preservation, which is focused on african american preservation. One by me we ve got Recovered when I want you to do, is what-
you can do bring us into that classroom. What was it like to go to? what role did education play in your life? And he said oh, I can do that. Sir? I met with congressmen who was in his office. This round table and centre of his office is out there for several hours with him We will find the introduction this was October. Twenty ninth have twenty nineteen, and had gotten into his eyes Stafford. Let me into his office in advance and set up my lights. the end of the session he for on his jacket for me to take his portrait, There's this for awareness ribbon on, has the power, and he said I take this off Irishman, those I want the authentic you, and that is the authentic you leave it on. and was exactly sixty days later, that he went public with his hands. Diagnosis of his contribution and afford this park,
Is one of the last public acts the car when those contributed Elsa, praises your work in it. So that's gonna feel pretty amazing. You know he's an extraordinary person one of the great sort of side. I didn't start this project to have the opportunity to spend an afternoon require from louisen his office sharing experiences ordinary gift from my artistic journey. To have shared this experience with Congressman Louis Mean thing That might be the answer, but I'm curious what was the most unexpected are surprising asked. Of working on this project. You took a lotta journeys and met a lot of people and saw a lot of things that you probably didn't anticipated. Did sir, this project should be three and a half years ago, have torn five thousand miles across
fifteen of the programme states and- and I think there are two things that really about me to answer your question. One of them is eight. then a fan of audio books for long time it is I was on. I did this twenty five thousand miles almost entirely by myself and I listened audio boxes. I was driving across the south and I listened to civil rights history- I listened entire Taylor Branch trilogy on civil rights movement. I listen to an entire book or from Birmingham jail. I was to Korea. Dodger Bars Park on the Harlem Renaissance, too, of the people whose portraits I shot in this book have memoirs, I listen to them. They were already bug out. Listen to those members who would an extraordinary compliment to this journey to be out in the the city delta list. to civil rights. History said that was really up a beautiful compliment to this entire story. The other was it through This journey I continue
to meet these extraordinary individuals who were former students, or teachers the present issues that are trying to save these goals in their entirety and, so and so welcoming and so excited about being part of this point. So excited that I was here to help share this history. they knew was important and they were concerned was going to be lost in that Brace of this sort of broad Rosen World School community was unexpected and radical joy, I wanna talk. Second about this picture of the book because you break out in terms of like the timeline That time is also connected to kind of Spain, Sweden and growth of the programme, so that the footprint of it shifts, in will. Do you talk about those three phases that you cover and unkind of just how this programme went its initial phase.
to becoming a much bigger, broader project them. So The initiative begins in nineteen twelve, the pilot of six schools, all built, plus two Tuskegee, where worker to Washington. Team can keep an eye on the programme I'm gonna digress year. For second tell you one stored that cause. It's it's really an important component of how the story unfolds but could you Washington, has photographs made the students and teachers standing in front of their schools, carrying the hopes and dreams of their communities, and he sends under juries scrawled who right that he is so moved that he is committing expand the programme. Must all of my work. Prior to this work has been in power. This work is entirely in black and white and horizontal In homage to those images of students and teachers and standing a further schools who become that, did this book
part of the visual history, individual language of this programme, so the programme is run at Tuskegee, starting in eighteen, twelve or Could Washington dies and nineteen fifteen. The programme continues to be run out of Tuskegee, but it's starting to explode. and its reaching across more and more southern states in its simply gets to a point where it has stripped the ability of the seem at Tuskegee to manage meanwhile Julius Reginald Philanthropy is becoming much more expansive and so in the early years. This programme he's writing chats, but a nineteen seventeen actually creates arisen world fund, and so nineteen twenty they actually open office to manage the result. Schools programme Nashville so that first phase when I called at Tuskegee phases from nineteen, twelve and eighteen, twenty one. The programmes run out of Tuskegee, starting eighteen, twenty, it's how run at a Nashville which, by the way, That is why the archives of the region,
fund heard Fisk University and it's in those years is run by men and Samuel Psmith, that they start moving from building schools to building model schools and they create these plans they make available for free to anybody who use them and so on to be a and while school you had to get resin. What funding, but there are Thousands of schools built across Amerika with these plants, for both wax and whites roman roads, schools prevent with Rushmore plants and that's What I call the Nashville phase from nineteen, twenty, two nineteen, twenty seven nineteen twenty seven joyous reasonable session on getting older. We need to move from my philanthropy institutionalizing and a little bit more, and so he hires at, went and bring had been a senior executive, the Rockefeller Foundation were joys, Rob was on the board
programme should now run out of Chicago, were juries rose from waters resident in the programme pivots from focusing on building schools to focusing on educational outcomes. They create centres for libraries and schools. They create incentives for school buses and four in adding to the school year. The results- program formally ends in eighteen, thirty, two with the death of joyous resin world and The fund moves on to focus on other facts. But in eighteen, thirty, seven. present risen, causa Bedwin Embryos Fund says I'd like a resume at school in marriage, their counted. Georgia near his home in one springs. And I remember says, backed present- has four whether, Mr President, the programme ended in eighteen, thirty two, but for you will build another school very last school, is built and Meriwether counting. What happens? Is School Board, agrees to make its contribution the boy,
community makes its contribution the W p, makes a contribution and the head of the BP comes into their oval office. To report to President Roosevelt reports. Presently, there are a thousand our short in the funds we need to build a school in Russia in the oval office pulls out check Book and read a thousand dollars check to close the gap and later that year, nineteen thirty seven he presides over the dedication ceremony of the colony arose school, I'm Springs Springs the last last in school and that's cool still exists today, You mentioned earlier, There are not just pictures of the schools, but also a lot of portraits in this book. You have portrait people that are connected to these various schools in some of them are students there and others at least one teacher. That's me will you talk? some of those people or may be a few. Your favorite portraits to shoot describe to
So imagine you are inside a small white clobbered, one teacher school, the cat, Ro School in Sunder, carried Tennessee. over the doorway Portrait of joyous, rising. Then has hung in that spot since at school, open in nineteen. Twenty three. and under his watch for gay stand to african american men. In their light seventies, Frank Brink, and his brother, Charles Brinkley, both of them attended. The Cairo school both of them went to college both of them went to graduate school and both of them become Educators frameworks, high school, math and science teacher Charles becomes middle school principle I have four sisters, all of whom it the camera school, all of whom attend college and the six the blanks together.
Ten children, all ten children, went to college that legacy may not have happened without this school house, Another photograph which takes place inside the hope, well scorn backdrop county taxes, The building is in the final stages of restoration the modern walls, her primer. You can see the plastic covering the floors while the patents been painted, the partly original pop I stove is also wrapped in plastic. and Sofia and already Williams in their eighties. Stand in the space holding up an enormous photograph This beautiful guilt frame, the Photographs is from the nineteenth century, its of Sophia and Martin Mcdonald. They were born into slavery and upon Anticipation, Martin Mcdonald starts raising farmhouse in here some land he acquired
some more land and eventually here course, twelve hundred acres and when the Rosemont Schools programme comes to backdrop, County Texas, in to nineteen the family donates two acres of land for the school, its first teacher, it's a fear and Martin Mcdonald's daughter. One of her students is daughter, so fear Williams, who this moment is standing on the left. Holding up this portrait of her grandparents, her huh then I'll Roy William standing on the right holding up this portrait of her grandparents attends in different ways. what's Goin backdrop County both of them go to college book Compact Mass dropped county, have an entire careers educators and are now in the in all stages of the restoration of the school and turning it into a community centre in museum, and I the story, time and time again, students becoming teachers becoming the keepers flame of history and memory and their communities, and I find that- It was an inspiring
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the pleasant headquarters. This is six african american women in standing together in The pleasant he'll scorn cast county taxes and in front of them is a quill. It's in the process of being formulated these women, which goods several rose involve school former students, several who have parents who went to resume at schools and one reason old school, firmer teacher wilted sold quilt, to raise the money tourist store. What was then the dilapidated pleasant hell school? They turned it into a community center meet on most Monday's dwelt in the school.
And I will tell you that time besides, having spent absolutely delightful afternoon interviewing them in doing this portrait, I commissioned them to make a quelled in it in our home I'll have it. Ah treasure A totally its is magnificent. Amazing you, reference this already that some of these schools, certainly still exist today. Someone historic, but some have been. We hoping to be other things like the walnut senior centre. Will you talk about those spaces and how they have evolved and may still exist in a historical sense, but there also living active spaces of the. As I said there, there of the original four thousand nine hundred and seventy eight reasonable schools about five hundred survive. Only half of those have been restored v very few are still in use every Edric purposes, most of them simply outgrew that use a long time ago, because the vast majority of these structures are small one. Two three teacher schools
in fact, the hundred and five schools that I went to only five are still in use for educational purposes. So, in order to preserve these schools, they had to have been adaptively re used that adaptive reuse processes and important part of the history right. We just discussed pleasant Hill school. That's in our community center. Some of these schools church halls some of them are museums. Some of them are there's one. that's the offices of a truck rental company, there's one: that's apartments, there are many uses, but that adaptive reuse process is an important. Part of how we do restored preservation remark. The problem of course, as the many Schools are not restored. In fact I came across schools collapsed. So recently, in one case a were surrounded. The school literally had found out later.
Been demolished, are weak before I got there because it had been deemed unsafe and it was surrounded by yellow caution tape and there was another that had collapsed right before I got there. It was surrounded by emergency, fencing with keep out signs and that's what happens when we don't take the time to preserve the ability spaces to help share our history? Help communicate our history help bring us in touch with our history, I wonder, ass, a photographer. What your projects is both just from your mind, set as well as you're lens of looking at one of these places that is still you know, an active life place verses when you come across a pile of rubble, documenting in some ways the same history for both of them, but there are obviously very different places how d you shift from one to the other, and what are you looking to capture that's different in one case or the other looking for moments that
emotional content that become the vector for bringing people into there is experience. Psmith eventually, with this body of work is about is using photography, bring people into this hidden story in american history, so, for example, There are a number of schools that I found that were buildings that were falling apart but the Hare School Newbury carry South Carolina which looks quite destroy first, because it is its role, by graveyard in it in fact, in the story I tell them. I add the detail that it stands on dead fall or road. You cannot make the stuff all right answered that becomes tat becomes an important mechanism for assuring us. I was in a number of these goals that have been converted into museums, but when I was in the Warfield School, in Tennessee there's a picture of April. Lincoln on the wall, with a light
going through these big large nine over nine pain windows that are an important part of the results are architecture. So these this, pattern of this light from these from the windows complementing. Abraham Lincoln, the world becomes a. I was in the council on a training school in return, Calabash Alabama and They have a black history, display its fascinating what choices somebody makes when they join when they are communicating black history right, in this case its Thurgood partial Nelson Mandela, bearer Obama, Harriet, Tubman, those choices are so interesting: wasn't. That was a photograph that I took his wound this included in this box. So I think that's what I'm looking for, whether it is a deteriorating structure or age I broadly restored community centre. There are visual moments that you can capture that help bring
people into the and connect them to the emotional threads? The story, as he said, twenty five thousand miles and a lotta years in a lot of time in a lot of conversations, what was your biggest personal, take away from the project like how are you changed when this was sent off printer When you read the history of joyous, Rosemont, improper to ash after you are struck by their pragmatism, and it caused me to think about what is pragmatism and I concluded, was the thirst. who elements that were really and and in the work of these men there building schools for Africa Americans nineteen twelve in the Crow South TAT is a deeply optimistic act. And on top of that, there is a multi additional act. They knew that it would take
generations for that work to pay off. They were playing long bar. in a combination of optimum in the long term, thinking that is their practice And to me that's their gift Two generations of african Americans gift to american history. That was my just take away. The combination of the optimistic. Think long term and in the immortal words of Jean Louis, make good trouble this really cool project, because it is not only a book that can buy wherever books are sold, but it is also and exhibit. Will you tell us about the exhibit at the National Centre for civil and human rights So the work of my first book travelled over four and a half years to nine different museums.
and I knew that the idea of photographic Prince were yet another way to bring people into the story, and I was about halfway through shooting work when I sat down with the director of the centre for seven human Rights National Centre for seven human rights here in Atlanta. An. I showed this work and the action was like a mediators, we are going to do. This expression is kind of like o K, They have been an extraordinary partner, there are. We made the decision to print these images. Large, the images twenty eight inches by thirty inches, which photographic these an enormous print theirs five photographs in the book. Twenty three of them are in the exhibition these stories, as we discussed here so integral to this body of work that this
resets underneath each of the images and the exhibition the exhibition opened opened in May, or we up through the end of this year than the exhibition travels and will go to First in the Charlotte Museum of History and the National Civil Rights Museum of Lorraine, motel in Memphis, the Tennessee State museum in Nashville, the Museum of the southern jewish experience in New Orleans, and to the Virginia Museum of History and culture that gets you through to the end of twenty twenty four m.
just starting to schedule my first exhibitions and twenty twenty five or continue to travel by then there will be another book and need to start the process over that. That would be the plan I am. I really was so struck by just how beautiful these photographs are. Thank you. The way you use light to tell a story does some stuff to my mind and soul. So thank you for that and thank you for spending on this time with me today. It's it's been joy. I appreciate your and not, I think, look where we are today as culture we at this extraordinary moment where we understand the imperative of telling a diverse american narrative, a complete american Eric an accurate american narrative and I see my bark and this project part of it
effort to diversify how we tell or inclusive american story. your podcast is also part of this important effort to tell and inclusive american story. This was a particularly thrilling interview, not only because I love the subject matter, but also because this was the first time I return to our office in our studios since the pan. make began so it was It's great fun, to have this wonderful conversation with Andrew Filer, and I am so thankful for his time. The book Once again is a better life for their children, Julia throws and wild Booker T Washington and the four thousand nine hundred seventy eight schools, the changed America. You can find anywhere. Books are sold and you'd like to learn more about the exhibit at the National Centre for civil and human rights. You can visit civil and human rights dot org. You can also find out more about that land about Andrew at Andrew Filer, dot com and his last name is spelled F. P, I l e r,
Hope you check it out cause heats the fascinating person in a truly like I'm not blow in smoke when I say he's very gifted photographer He doesn't really really beautiful stuff in the photos in this book are spectacularly beautiful that portrait of Germany was he talked about that I got choked up. What we are talking is absolutely gorgeous. And I love it. There's that perspective included in the book. about what it was like to attend. One of these schools- and you really see like how that impact id role of education in Amerika the world of, air can black students and just like, really did change everything. So it's I'd love it. My hobby check it out as you too, will love it. So lotta good stuff I have fun food e, which mail with what I always talk about at this point, but I'm really enjoying everybody's stories of their cooking disaster and triumphs this
is from our listener. Emma I don't know it's. their. So my apologies, if I get it wrong, but I am a rights I hope you're both doing well. You ve had a string of really great episodes recently, all on topics that are personally fascinating to me. I finish episode undertaken area last week and I loved it so much. I share it with a fellow Phooey friend who was my neighbour when I lived in Rome, she reminded me about the first time I ever had my recently become husbands family over to dinner. At our house obvious, for an italian family, food and cooking is super important and I knew I had to get it right, bent over a month studying recipes for the perfect lasagna, and I got it down to a fine art My friend asked me what I was planning on cooking them and I told her she was absolutely horrified she. egged me to choose something else, explaining that every region in ITALY does lasagna in a slightly different way, and if I got it even slightly wrong, I would risk spending the evening
all my hard work compared to the family recipe from their Mona and it would feel like a disaster. Even if it was really good, this was especially important for my husband's family, as they actually come from the region that invented lose on it in the first place and for We back conversation was about two hours before they arrived. I flew into a complete panic and went into the dinner absolutely petrified, but it took out that my hard work paid off my mother in law still talks about my lasagna recipe, Think that dinner is what persuaded her to allow her son to marry me. It turns out english people can cook. After all, my friend and I laughed all over again at this story after she listened to your episodes. I thought I'd share hyperbolic. Work getting us also, these long pandemic months years decades of lost track. we're doing well all the best
Love this I love it. I love a cooking triumph story. That's for, I feel like I would be the cooking fail. I would mess it up, but I also wanted to mention in relation to that we got an email from our listener Darlene in a couple. Other people have region to me to ask about the meat loaf recipe. The meat loaf recipes online. It's on our social media. If you check out her instagram or twitter, there it is, and that is the one that we mention in another listener mailing got permission to share the famous grit, but not really that secret Lipton soup ingredient recipe for meat loaf, and I will tell you I may have sent my husband out purchase all the ingredients to her this morning. So by the time is episode airs I will have either succeeded or failed and re creating it either way out The evidence we have heard from several listeners Emma comments particular
we I'm Instagram and Facebook, that the recipe is fair. similar to their own family recipe. Yeah. it is, it's a little differ and from some that I've done there's a I had, never done it, the one that my mother passed down. Didn't I. Include that whole lake, cooking the bread and milk before you incorporated into the meat than interesting part of it for me, but Hopefully, by the end of today, I will be very full and happy with a contented smile on my face and full of me Love so also you said that was on your espionage over I'm ready to receive, and I will broadcast, if you say if they get a kick weakens us become like sidelined business of historical recipes. I love, as I said before, people sharing moves and making it. So
people can join their own histories with theirs and make something new and delicious and nurture all of us together. I thank you so much to everyone whose written us about their their cooking efforts. I love it so much you can write to us too. We are at history pie cast an eye, her radio dot com. You can also find us everywhere on social media as Mr History, including that yummy recipe, and if you like, to subscribe to the show- and you haven't gotten around two- a m- super easy. I will take. You know time you can do them only. I hurried Eu App at Apple pie, gas or anywhere else. He wasn't your favorite shows stuff. You must, in history class the production of Iheart radio for more broadcasts for my heart radio visit by her radio, app added on cans or wherever you listen to your favorite shares.
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