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Welcome to stuff you missed in history, glass, a production of Iheart Radio, hello, unwelcome upon cast I'm hotly fry and I'm Tracy Wealth and I'm a very spoiled child. So I recently he got the chance to chat with photographer Andrew Filer, who has a new book out titled, a better life for their children, Julius rose and Wild Booker T Washington.
thousand nine hundred. Seventy eight schools that changed America. Now I am actually been wanting to talk about the rose unwalled schools for a while. So I was very excited about Andrews Book, particularly because it is as beautiful as it is, moving and informative yeah. I think so,
talking about wanting to do an episode on them way back when we did the Sears history
answer view yeah we was years ago has than we had during their cargo, and I wanted to do it, but I never felt like I had like their rights entry point and then address book.
Happened and made it easy
This is not Andrews First book. His previous book also have a historical theme its,
old without regard to sex, race or color, the past present and future of one historically black college. This now
back- have also become an exhibit at the National Centre for civil and human rights in Atlanta, and it will tour after it.
initiatives there at the end of this year? Yet will talk,
but that a bit during the interview. So let's jump right into that. We're Andrew shares how he ended up a photographer and specifically of attraction,
documenting and writing about history. Foresaw Andrew! Thank you so much for me.
It s great to be with you. Thank you for having what a delight for me. I feel so spoilt.
primary reason? You're here today is so we can talk about your latest book, but this is not your first book so
do the runway to it. I will make sure we talk about your first book, which was without
hard to sex race, color, the past present and future of one
historically black college, and that covers the history of more is brown so
before we get into the newest. I would like for you to tell us your story.
How you started pursuing a career, photography and
are you ended up focusing you're lens on the subjects you have really history, and particularly black history, so in
two thousand and eight I
down a path that was
for I have very difficult years. I
taken over a family realestate business in two thousand to and my dad had gotten sick two thousand
we went away from my parents fiftieth
the anniversary at another,
his partner in the business. We got back
next day my business partner died
Thirteen days later, my brother was diagnosed with a truly life threatening bone cancer.
Suddenly he has, he is
thirteen years cancer free. But that was not a gift.
the time soon after that, my father's health completely collapsed.
And then the real estate world imploded in the great recession and I spent three years and for Munster and real estate work out and co
actively there's the types of experiences are cause you to say what you under the rest, her life, and so,
I started down the path in the midst of this period
my top of my life.
I've been a serious photographer most of my life. I started on this path of take him,
work more seriously and mercifully getting taken more seriously and it
the things that you have to do, and in that process
his figure. What does your voice as a photographer where's? Your voice is an artist.
I've been a civic activists, my entire life as well, founded more than a
and civic initiatives? I serve on a number of boards of not for profits. I have been in
for many years to a number of elected officials and political candidates,
and when I found this I really is. I started to explore this job
photography more diligently
Is that my photographic voice was my civic voice.
And I was working on a body of work on abandoned
public school spaces in the south, because in a band
public school is a story of demographics. Right fly gentrification when Moorish Brown,
were filed for bankruptcy,
So I thought you know. This is a really important story.
It has race, it's an historically bought college. It has religion
management colleges granted under the auspices of the Amy Church, it has class because it was a college that had become one. It was primarily focused on them,
children and families of less remains in that story,
that Multi layered story becomes my first book
but it was also cup but my problem
is to read and shoot and shoot and read in the reading and forms a shooting in the shooting and forms a reading. An there was tooth moment.
That really shaped that project. One
when I came across the statistic that,
there were originally about a hundred twenty. Historically black colleges in America were down to about a hundred
those one hundred colleges are three
percent of colleges in America. They are more
ten percent of African Americans college. More than twenty five percent of African Americans earned Greece and that re plants, the story in the
of this central question we have in our culture today. What is our? How do we create on Ramsden American Middle classes and studied that question
I realized I stumbled on this much broader american narrative education,
spend the backbone of the american dream since before there was a United States of America, the first taxpayer for
school is founded and Data Massachusetts in sixteen forty for that
grant Kojak, which creates colleges all across Americans, create an eighteen. Sixty two historically bought colleges in the decades after the civil war Rosen.
Schools in their early decades of the twentieth century. The edges
Some provisions of the J Ai Bill tree,
form America from relatively poured a relatively prosperous brown version,
what of education or the highlights of these civil rights movement? What are we talking about today?
crushing levels, a student, deck college, affordability, college access is more than three hundred and seventy five year narrative arc. Ah, if
The tribes american history as it,
at risk, and that became the message in this first book and then how did the roses
Schools get on your
turned in my first book to my publisher, who is
was early. Two thousand fifteen upper comes out at the end of two thousand fifteen, and in February two thousand fifteen. I found myself at lunch.
With a woman, ingenious hurry back
Jenny had originated the role of african american heritage, specialist, the Georgia statist or Preservation Office and she's. The first person to tell me about rosenwald schools calls
and I was shocked
I'm a fifth generation jewish Georgian. I have been a progressive activists, my entire, like the pillars of this story, southern jewish programme
activists are the poorest my live. How could I never had arisen roads, schools so come
and I Google Roosevelt schools. I found this a couple of academic books on the topic
but there was no comprehensive photographic countered the story, and I said-
how to do exactly that.
So far, listeners to lay the groundwork we,
tell us just about the rose, while schools and what their purpose was and how they got set up should Julius russian world is better.
To jewish emigrants who had fled religious persecution and Germany. He grows up in Springfield Illinois across the street, from Abraham, Lincoln Tom.
He rises to become the President Sears Robot can company and with innovations like satisfaction guaranteed or your money back. He turned Sears into the world's largest retailer of its error, and he becomes one of them
the eastern greatest philanthropists in american history, his cause is widely
becomes known as civil rights,
but could you Washington born into slavery and Virginia,
to Hampton College and Virginia becomes an educator and as the founding principle of historically black college in Alabama, known, Dennis Tuskegee Institute and the two men, meat and nineteen eleven,
Nineteen eleven is before the great migration wished
begin until later that jacket? So ninety percent of African Americans live in the south and publics
as for African Americans, are mostly shocks with
small fraction of the funding provided to the education of white children.
Many jurisdictions do not even have public schools raft. Americans,
but could you Washington asks Julius right wrong to join the board of tough?
later. Nineteen eleven here Greece, but the two men keep talking. What can we do together and they focused
on this idea. Public schools for African Americans and the
there's genius in this programme. They reach
The black communities of the south.
And they say we want you to be a full partner in your progress-
must contribute to ask if you will contribute to a school, and we will count as your contribution, cash, land, materials or labour
and, if you reach out to the school board, Thou white scoreboard, because we-
to create deliberate black white dialogue as a foundation for future progress, and these have to be public school, so the White School board? We welcome their contributions, but what they have to do is agreed own, maintain staff, the school paper, the teachers, you do, those things
Injurious Rosemont will make a substantial contribution to school construction.
and from nineteen twelve nineteen. Thirty seven, this programme
Four thousand nine hundred and seventy eight schools across fifteen southern and border states, and the result is transformative. Why
Thing that's interesting in case people do not know the timeline of,
Birdy Washington's life? He died
not that long after the two men Matlock less than four years after they met
but still he was very clearly influential on it. On this whole project. Can you talk about how Julius Raisin, while continued kind of the dialogue after his partner in this project, was no longer there now? So jewish was one of worker to Washington shared two important values.
Julius Rosen Walled was deeply.
Better to America.
because he saw America as a safe haven from Anti Semitism and
He saw that America weakened by its treatment of african American
but could you wash intercourse, was dedicated to the of African Americans,
and they also shared commitment to self help, and
it was property. Washington who understood that,
Education is the path forward and that will-
missing in the panoply of education? Was small school houses small because everybody
we're, not buses for these school houses and they had to be a walk to these schools, and so many of these most of these schools, particularly as the program very small, and so they
yet this programme together, but it
must be successful, enjoy
is more committed to continuing the programme even after the death of poverty. Washington. His partner in this enter its important enough.
but the relationship between Julius Rose and Wild and broker to Washington is one of the earlier
between Jews and African Americans and there is a-
wreck connection between there.
Collaboration, their friendship.
rabbi, Abraham Josh were special working with,
doktor king, who famously says of that experience of working with Doktor king that it felt like his feet, were praying and what
happen in Georgia earlier this year.
When Raphia worn out
John. Our soft criss crossed the state to gather yeah for two months.
Clearly built not just a political alliance but a deep personal friendship that relationship
And which Georgia sends its first african american senator its first jewish senator to the United States Senate that relationship
between John Ass, often and Raphael. Warnock stands on the shoulders
the relationship. The friendship between
we were small and broker to Washington
You are, as you said, a photographer, but this
book has a lot of writing. Every photograph comes with a story
Without always your intention. It was
but that was actually knew you. I can't what happened so what I knew this was an extraordinary story. The question is
How do you tell the story? Visually?
and I started out with exterior images
two three teacher schools, white small white carbon buildings to the end of the programme. There's one two and three story: red brick buildings
but that story was incomplete,
because of the original four thousand nine hundred and seventy eight closures about five hundred laughed
Only half of those have been restored in too many,
Schools are at risk of collapse.
There is an inherent component of the story, which is the plea for preservation. These spaces are the locusts
History and memory, and so
needed to tell the adapter reuse story and the pressure.
narrative and suddenly I need I need to get inside and suddenly I need permission and one
need permission, you're gonna, start talking to people. That's when I met these
strawberry people, former students, former teachers, his power
herbaceous historians that are trying to save these structures and
and up telling their narratives through portraits, but in the car
some meeting. All these people
do, as I said earlier, my process issued and read and reading shoot and in the reading in forms of shooting in the shooting and forms a reading, and I came across so many incredible stories
indeed I felt compelled to write a short story that goes with every image or in some cases, pairs of images. I found one
and what's course connected to the trail of tears.
the great migration to the top,
He syphilis study to the story of the Tuskegee, Araminta Litigation or Brown, be bored, embezzlement, murder.
and those stories are told in the pros. Compliments, and this is actually a hybrid body of work. It's both images
and stories that go together.
Did you ever had,
The fact that you are going to become a writer and historian, in addition to this photography career that you would switch to what this interesting actually Ivan I've had. It is interesting history, my entire life. I took up my undergraduate reduction economics, but I took a lotta history classes in college. I should have
to graduate degrees ones, an mba, but one is actually a pay. Modern history degree
and so the history component of it came
relate to me
but I certainly never expected to be writing. Sixteen thousand words of story on us, but the
the stories are so extraordinary and so powerful that it, it was a joy to have that, as part of this process
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This book is one that right from the
Opening is very compelling, and one of the things that so compelling is that there is an introduction by Jean Louis
of course, being
aside from justice civil rights work, which is amazing and of itself being part of the
fabric of Atlanta
to start you better, absolutely one of the few people have ever met the wages burst into tears. The second I met him. Will you talk about how that came to be that you got two haven't be part of this and that beautiful portrait that you may have him thank here, so I have to
Miss said a little bit of context
This programme transforms America Dirt
Economists in the Federal Reserve, Bank or Chicago have done five studies. Original schools with their data shows
prior to world were one. There is a large and persistent black white education gap in the south in that cap loses precipitously between work or want to work or two in the single greatest driver. That achievement is Roosevelt schools.
Other major impact of this programme is a many. The leaders and foot soldiers of the movement come through. These calls
my Angelou Beggar Everest,
multiple members of the Little Rock nine who emigrate little Rock central highschool anko-
women drama was all attended, run. Its course
Two hundred and Louis is clearly the most prominent alone,
Otherwise much goes programme living at the time. I was working on this project
grew up in Savannah, left the south after high school and bouncing around the world for fifteen years decided it was finally safe to come back to the south of south of grown up. In my absence I came back I had been. I was a condition of congressman. Lewis is four hundred and twenty five years older than the fifth congressional district, the entire time I've been in Atlanta
it's our reach outer congressmen. The reason I asked him if he would contribute introduction to the spot,
and he said you know- I'm not
I'm comfortable, spreading the history of rage and roads, schools. I just
went to school there.
Three other essays in this book
one by Jenny, Syriac at this data stored preservation off as one by Brent legs who heads up the african American Cultural Heritage, actions funded the National trust for short preservation, which is focused on african american preservation. One by me we ve got
when I want you to do, is what-
you can do bring us into that classroom. What was it like to go to?
what role did education play in your life? And he said oh, I can do that.
Sir? I met with congressmen who was in his office.
This round table and centre of his office is out there for several hours with him
We will find the introduction this was October. Twenty ninth have twenty nineteen,
and had gotten into his eyes Stafford. Let me into his office in advance and set up my lights.
the end of the session he
for on his jacket for me to take his portrait,
for awareness ribbon on, has the power, and he said
I take this off
Irishman, those I want the authentic you, and that is the authentic you leave it on.
and was exactly sixty days later, that he went public with his hands.
Diagnosis of his contribution and afford this park,
Is one of the last public acts the car
when those contributed
Elsa, praises your work in it. So that's gonna feel pretty amazing. You know he's an extraordinary person
one of the great sort of side. I didn't start this project
to have the opportunity to spend an afternoon require from louisen his office sharing
ordinary gift from my artistic journey.
To have shared this experience with Congressman Louis Mean thing
That might be the answer, but I'm curious what was the most unexpected are surprising asked.
Of working on this project. You took a lotta journeys and met a lot of people and saw a lot of things that you probably didn't anticipated. Did sir, this project should be three and a half years ago, have torn
five thousand miles across
fifteen of the programme states and- and I think there are two things that really about me to answer your question. One of them is eight.
then a fan of audio books for long
it is I was on. I did this twenty five thousand miles almost entirely by myself and I listened audio boxes. I was driving across the south
and I listened to civil rights history- I listened
entire Taylor Branch trilogy on civil rights movement. I listen to an entire book
or from Birmingham jail. I was
Dodger Bars Park on the Harlem Renaissance, too, of the people whose portraits I shot in this book
have memoirs, I listen to them. They were already bug out. Listen to those members who would an extraordinary compliment to this journey to be out in the
the city delta list.
to civil rights. History said that was really up a beautiful compliment to this entire story. The other was it through
This journey I continue
to meet these extraordinary individuals who were former students,
or teachers the present
issues that are trying to save these goals in their entirety and,
and so welcoming and so excited about being part of this point.
So excited that I was here to help share this history.
they knew was important and they were concerned was going to be lost in that
Brace of this sort of broad Rosen World School community was unexpected and
radical joy, I wanna talk.
Second about this
picture of the book because you break out in terms of like the timeline
That time is also connected to kind of
Spain, Sweden and growth of the programme, so that the footprint of it shifts,
in will. Do you talk about those three phases that you cover and unkind of just how this programme went
its initial phase.
to becoming a much bigger, broader project them. So
The initiative begins in nineteen twelve,
the pilot of six schools, all built, plus two Tuskegee, where worker to Washington.
Team can keep an eye on the programme
I'm gonna digress year. For second tell you one stored that cause. It's it's really an important component of how the story unfolds
but could you Washington, has photographs made
the students and teachers standing in front of their schools,
carrying the hopes and dreams of their communities, and he sends under juries scrawled who right
that he is so moved that he is committing
expand the programme.
Must all of my work. Prior to this work has been in power. This
work is entirely in black and white and horizontal
In homage to those images of students and teachers and standing a further schools who become that, did this book
part of the visual history, individual language of this programme,
so the programme is run at Tuskegee, starting in eighteen, twelve or Could Washington dies and nineteen fifteen. The programme continues to be run out of Tuskegee, but it's starting to explode.
and its reaching across more and more southern states in its simply gets to a point where it has stripped the ability of the
seem at Tuskegee to manage
meanwhile Julius Reginald Philanthropy is becoming
much more expansive and so in the early years. This programme he's writing chats, but a nineteen seventeen actually creates arisen world fund, and so
nineteen twenty they actually open
office to manage the result. Schools programme Nashville so that first phase
when I called at Tuskegee phases from nineteen, twelve and eighteen, twenty one. The programmes run out of Tuskegee, starting
eighteen, twenty, it's how run at a Nashville which, by the way,
That is why the archives of the region,
fund heard Fisk University
and it's in those years is run by men and Samuel Psmith, that they start moving from
building schools to building model schools and they create these plans
they make available for free to anybody who use them and so on
to be a and while school you had to get resin. What funding, but there are
Thousands of schools built across Amerika with these plants, for both
wax and whites
roman roads, schools prevent with Rushmore plants and that's
What I call the Nashville phase from nineteen, twenty, two nineteen, twenty seven nineteen
twenty seven joyous reasonable session on getting older. We need to move
from my philanthropy institutionalizing and a little bit more, and so
he hires at, went and bring
had been a senior executive, the Rockefeller Foundation were joys, Rob was on the board
programme should now run out of Chicago, were juries rose from waters resident in the programme pivots from
focusing on building schools to focusing on educational outcomes. They create
centres for libraries and schools. They create incentives for school buses and four in adding to the school year. The results-
program formally ends in eighteen, thirty, two with the death of joyous resin world and
The fund moves on to focus on other facts.
But in eighteen, thirty, seven.
present risen, causa Bedwin Embryos Fund says
I'd like a resume at school in marriage,
their counted. Georgia near his home in one springs.
And I remember says, backed present- has four whether, Mr President, the programme ended in eighteen, thirty two, but for you will build another school
very last school, is built and Meriwether counting.
What happens? Is
School Board, agrees to make its contribution the boy,
community makes its contribution the W p,
makes a contribution and the head of the
BP comes into their oval office. To report to President Roosevelt reports. Presently,
there are a thousand our short in the funds we need to build a school in Russia
in the oval office pulls out
check Book and read
a thousand dollars check to close the gap
and later that year, nineteen thirty seven he presides over the dedication ceremony of the colony arose
school, I'm Springs Springs the last last in school and that's cool still exists today,
You mentioned earlier,
There are not just pictures of the schools, but also a lot of portraits in this book.
You have portrait
people that are connected to these various schools in some of them are students there and others at least one teacher. That's me
will you talk?
some of those people or may be a few. Your favorite portraits to shoot describe to
So imagine you are inside
a small white clobbered, one teacher school, the cat,
Ro School in Sunder, carried Tennessee.
over the doorway
Portrait of joyous, rising.
Then has hung in that spot since at school, open in nineteen. Twenty three.
and under his watch for gay stand to african american men. In their light seventies, Frank Brink,
and his brother, Charles Brinkley, both of them attended. The Cairo school both of them went to college
both of them went to graduate school and both of them become
high school, math and science teacher Charles becomes
middle school principle
I have four sisters, all of whom it
the camera school, all of whom attend college and the six
the blanks together.
Ten children, all ten children, went to college that legacy may not have happened
without this school house,
Another photograph which takes place
inside the hope, well scorn backdrop county taxes,
The building is in the final stages of restoration
the modern walls, her primer. You can see the plastic
covering the floors while the patents been painted, the partly original pop I stove is also wrapped in plastic.
and Sofia and already Williams in their eighties.
Stand in the space holding up an enormous photograph
This beautiful guilt frame, the Photographs
is from the nineteenth century, its of
Sophia and Martin Mcdonald. They were born
into slavery and upon
Anticipation, Martin Mcdonald starts raising farmhouse in here
some land he acquired
some more land and eventually here course, twelve hundred acres and when the Rosemont Schools programme comes to backdrop, County Texas, in
to nineteen the family donates two acres of land for the school, its first teacher,
it's a fear and Martin Mcdonald's daughter. One of her students is
daughter, so fear Williams, who
this moment is standing on the left. Holding up this portrait of her grandparents, her huh
then I'll Roy William standing on the right holding up this portrait of her grandparents attends in different ways.
what's Goin backdrop County both of them
go to college book Compact Mass dropped county, have an entire careers educators and are now in the
in all stages of the restoration of the school and turning it into a community centre in museum, and I
the story, time and time again, students becoming teachers becoming the keepers
flame of history and memory and their communities, and I find that-
It was an inspiring
story to come across
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Fellas hush. Now I so like a fiend. So, of course, when I saw the pleasant headquarters,
is obsessed with their picture, because we see some,
their work, but also that's another multigenerational photo of just these women who do these amazing projects related to the history of the schools? Wheat
let them a little bit
the pleasant headquarters. This is six african american women
in standing together in
The pleasant he'll scorn cast county taxes and in front of them is a quill. It's in the process
of being formulated these women, which
goods several rose involve school former students, several
who have parents who went to resume at schools and one reason old school, firmer teacher wilted sold quilt,
to raise the money tourist
store. What was then the dilapidated pleasant hell school? They
turned it into a community center
meet on most Monday's dwelt in the school.
And I will tell you that time besides, having spent absolutely delightful afternoon interviewing them in doing this portrait, I commissioned them to make a quelled in it in our home I'll have it. Ah treasure
A totally its is magnificent. Amazing you,
reference this already that some of these schools,
certainly still exist today. Someone historic, but some have been. We
hoping to be other things like the walnut senior centre. Will you talk about those spaces and how they have evolved and may still exist in a historical sense, but there also living active spaces
of the. As I said there,
there of the original four thousand nine hundred and seventy eight reasonable schools about five hundred survive. Only half of those have been restored v
very few are still in use every Edric
purposes, most of them simply outgrew that use a long time ago, because the vast majority of these structures are small one. Two three teacher schools
in fact, the hundred and five schools that I went to only five are still in use for educational purposes. So, in order to preserve these schools, they had to have been adaptively re used
that adaptive reuse processes and important part of the history right. We just discussed
pleasant Hill school. That's in our community center. Some of these schools church halls
some of them are museums. Some of them are there's one.
that's the offices of a truck rental company, there's one: that's apartments,
there are many uses, but that adaptive reuse process is an important.
Part of how we do restored preservation remark. The problem
of course, as the many
Schools are not restored. In fact I came across schools
collapsed. So recently,
in one case a were surrounded.
The school literally had found out later.
Been demolished, are weak before I got there because it had been deemed unsafe and it was surrounded by yellow caution tape and there was another that had collapsed right before I got there. It was surrounded by emergency, fencing with keep out signs
and that's what happens when we don't take the time
to preserve the ability
spaces to help share our history? Help
communicate our history help bring us in touch with our history,
I wonder, ass, a photographer. What your
projects is both just from your mind, set as well as
you're lens of
looking at one of these places that is still you know, an active life place verses when you come across a pile of rubble,
documenting in some ways the same history for both of them, but there are obviously very different places how d you shift from one to the other, and what are you looking to capture that's different in one case or the other
looking for moments that
emotional content that become the vector for
bringing people into there is experience. Psmith eventually, with this body of work is about is using photography,
bring people into this hidden story in american history, so, for example,
There are a number of schools that I found that were buildings that were falling apart
but the Hare School Newbury carry South Carolina which looks quite destroy
first, because it is its role,
by graveyard in it
in fact, in the story I tell them. I add the detail that it stands on dead fall or road. You cannot make the stuff all right answered that becomes tat becomes an important mechanism for assuring us. I was in a number of these goals that have been converted into museums, but when I was in the Warfield School,
in Tennessee there's a picture of April.
Lincoln on the wall, with a light
going through these big large nine over nine pain windows that are an important part of the results are architecture. So these this,
pattern of this light from these
from the windows
Abraham Lincoln, the world becomes a.
I was in the council
on a training school in return, Calabash Alabama and
They have a black history, display its fascinating
what choices somebody makes when they join when they are communicating black history right, in this case its Thurgood
partial Nelson Mandela, bearer
Obama, Harriet, Tubman,
those choices are so interesting:
wasn't. That was a photograph that I took his wound this included in this box. So I think that's what I'm looking for, whether it is a
deteriorating structure or age
I broadly restored community centre. There are visual moments that you can capture that help bring
people into the and connect them to the emotional threads? The story, as he said,
twenty five thousand miles and a lotta years in a lot of time in a lot of conversations,
what was your biggest personal, take away from the project like how are you changed when this was sent off
When you read the history of joyous, Rosemont, improper to ash after you are struck by their pragmatism,
and it caused me to think about what is pragmatism and
I concluded, was the thirst.
who elements that were really and
and in the work of these men there
building schools for Africa
nineteen twelve in the
Crow South TAT is a deeply optimistic act.
And on top of that, there is a multi
They knew that it would take
generations for that work to pay off. They were playing long bar.
in a combination of optimum
in the long term, thinking that is their practice
And to me that's their gift
Two generations of african Americans
gift to american history. That was my
just take away. The combination of the optimistic.
Think long term
and in the immortal words of Jean Louis, make good trouble this
really cool project, because it is not only a book that
can buy wherever books are sold, but it is also and exhibit. Will you tell us about the exhibit at the National Centre for civil and human rights
So the work of my first book travelled over four and a half years to nine different museums.
and I knew that the idea of photographic Prince
were yet another way to bring people into the story, and I was about halfway through shooting
work when I sat down with the director of the centre for seven human Rights National Centre for seven human rights here in Atlanta.
An. I showed this work and the
action was like a mediators,
we are going to do. This expression is kind of like
They have been an extraordinary partner,
there are. We made the decision to print these images.
Large, the images
twenty eight inches by thirty inches, which photographic these an enormous print theirs
five photographs in the book. Twenty three of them are in the exhibition these stories, as we discussed here so integral to this body of work that this
resets underneath each of the images and the exhibition the exhibition opened opened in May, or we up through the end of this year than the exhibition travels and will go to
First in the Charlotte Museum of History and the National Civil Rights Museum of Lorraine, motel in Memphis, the Tennessee
State museum in Nashville, the Museum of the southern jewish experience in New Orleans,
and to the Virginia Museum of History and culture that gets you through to the end of twenty twenty four m.
just starting to schedule my first exhibitions and twenty twenty five or continue to travel by then there will be another book and need to start the process over that. That would be the plan I am. I really was so struck by just how beautiful these photographs are. Thank you. The way you use light to tell a story does some stuff to my mind and soul. So thank you for that and thank you for spending on this time with me today. It's it's been joy. I appreciate your and not, I think, look
where we are today as culture we
at this extraordinary moment where we
understand the imperative of telling
a diverse american narrative, a complete american Eric
an accurate american narrative and
I see my bark and this project part of it
effort to diversify how we tell or
inclusive american story.
your podcast is also part of
this important effort to tell and inclusive american story.
This was a particularly thrilling interview, not only because I love the subject matter, but also because this was the first time I return to our office in our studios since the pan.
make began so it was
It's great fun, to have this wonderful conversation with Andrew Filer, and I am so thankful for his time. The book
Once again is a better life for their children, Julia throws and wild Booker T Washington and the four thousand nine hundred seventy eight schools, the changed America. You can find
anywhere. Books are sold and
you'd like to learn more about the exhibit at the National Centre for civil and human rights. You can visit civil and human rights dot org. You can also find out more about that land about Andrew at Andrew Filer, dot com and his last name is spelled F. P, I l e r,
Hope you check it out cause heats the fascinating person in a truly like I'm not blow in smoke when I say he's very gifted photographer
He doesn't really really beautiful stuff in the photos in this book are spectacularly beautiful that
portrait of Germany was he talked about that I got choked up. What we are talking is absolutely gorgeous.
And I love it. There's that perspective included in the book.
about what it was like to attend. One of these schools- and you really see like how that impact id
role of education in Amerika the world of,
air can black students and just like,
really did change everything. So it's I'd love it. My hobby check it out
as you too, will love it. So lotta good stuff
I have fun food e, which mail with what I always talk about at this point, but I'm really enjoying everybody's stories of their cooking disaster
and triumphs this
is from our listener. Emma I don't know it's.
their. So my apologies, if I get it wrong, but I am a rights
I hope you're both doing well. You ve had a string of really great episodes recently, all on topics that are personally fascinating to me. I finish
episode undertaken area last week and I loved it so much. I share it with a fellow Phooey friend who was my neighbour when I lived in Rome, she reminded me about the first time I ever had my recently become husbands family over to dinner. At our house obvious,
for an italian family, food and cooking is super important and I knew I had to get it right,
bent over a month studying recipes for the perfect lasagna, and I got it down to a fine art
My friend asked me what I was planning on cooking them and I told her she was absolutely horrified she.
egged me to choose something else, explaining that every region in ITALY does lasagna in a slightly different way, and if I got it even slightly wrong, I would risk spending the evening
all my hard work compared to the family recipe from their Mona and it would feel like a disaster. Even if it was really good, this was
especially important for my husband's family, as they actually come from the region that invented lose on it in the first place and for
We back conversation was about two hours before they arrived. I flew into a complete panic and went into the dinner absolutely petrified, but it took
out that my hard work paid off my mother in law still talks about my lasagna recipe,
Think that dinner is what persuaded her to allow her son to marry me. It turns out english people can cook. After all, my friend and I laughed all over again at this story after she listened to your episodes. I thought I'd share hyperbolic.
Work getting us also, these long pandemic months years decades of lost track.
we're doing well all the best
Love this I love it. I love a cooking triumph story. That's for, I feel like I would be the cooking fail. I would mess it up, but I also wanted to mention in relation to that
we got an email from our listener Darlene in a couple. Other people have region
to me to ask about
the meat loaf recipe. The meat loaf recipes online. It's on our social media. If you check out her instagram or twitter,
there it is, and that is the one that we mention in another listener mailing got permission to share the famous
grit, but not really that secret Lipton soup ingredient recipe for meat loaf, and I will tell you I may have sent my husband out purchase all the ingredients to her this morning. So by the time is episode airs I will have either succeeded or failed and re creating it either way out
The evidence we have heard from several listeners Emma comments particular
we I'm Instagram and Facebook, that the recipe is fair.
similar to their own family recipe. Yeah.
it is, it's a little differ
some that I've done there's a I had, never done it, the one that my mother passed down. Didn't I.
Include that whole lake,
cooking the bread and milk before you incorporated into the meat than interesting part of it for me, but
Hopefully, by the end of today, I will be very full and happy with a contented smile on my face and full of me
Love so also
you said that was on your espionage over I'm ready to receive, and I will broadcast, if you say if they get a kick weakens us become like sidelined business of historical recipes.
I love, as I said before, people sharing moves and making it. So
people can join their own histories with theirs and make something new and delicious and nurture all of us together. I thank you so much to everyone whose written us about their their cooking efforts. I love it so much you can write to us too. We are at history pie cast an eye, her radio dot com. You can also find us everywhere on social media as Mr History, including that yummy recipe, and if you like, to subscribe to the show- and you haven't gotten around two- a m-
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