Some actors believe it's bad luck to say 'Macbeth' in the theater unless the play is being performed -- but why? In this episode, Katie and Sarah explore the origins of the Macbeth curse and the life of the historical Macbeth. (And, an important note: The error regarding "Our American Cousin" and Abraham Lincoln has already been corrected in the episode He Was Killed By Mesmerism.)
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hello and welcomes the kite cast iron, cage and unfair, daddy and today were revealing a few personal stories because we're talking about plays- and we have both been and plays mostly. I just liked reading aloud in class, but occasionally I would get brave enough to be in one
and my shining moment was as Katy the cook and meet me in Saint Louis and Middle School, in which I danced, I think, maybe and
sang in an apron treaty. The cook was named after you, I'm hoping they didn't pick me just because of my name and more because they thought it was incredibly talented, but I was also in some sort of course
in Oklahoma and as it
a gardener in Mary Poppins, where I got to where pink cheeks
and my mom Lipstick Army, which was a huge deal, definitely
but I am most well known in my family for pre school performance, in which I got on stage with the rest of my class and then went and sat down on the edge of it with my head in my hands and refuse to saying we have photo.
An outlying grumpy little lot of three year old, Fergus,
Do you have a history, sir? I guess I've been in a few plays and properly
this one came in elementary school class, wrote a play called the power plant bout power struggles and the plague
and- and I was the class president in the play- I had a solo stand on the stage all by myself and thing in front of the audience
pretty scary, but can often do not know why I guess would see in high school. I was in fumed oak that was very silent. Plays
was excited power struggles and violent privy inner world of Sarah Dowdy yeah play the best part in that with respect to be a violent com
Haitian about more have for dinner. We were,
lax on our part and low wages.
A happy man. We got a bag and potato chips and I was playing the wife, and so
Point the guy who's, paying my husband said more effective
addressed through dinner internist among met boy ever further
the legitimate complaint. I would think your style on top somebody bring you some ham and thirty rock, but this is actually leading up to
believe it or not. You know how you never supposed to say: good luck and a theatre. You say I'm break up
or something and apply and delegates who do the same thing. We say: break a helper, Acerra says, break a snake
there are more theatrical superstitions than that,
and one is that you never say make bath and the theatre unless you're performing yeah call it the scottish play, and that is because there are some scary stuff attached to it. This is a Halloween up. A third
You can guess where its headed. Supposedly there is a neck death, curse soda started
Let's give you a little recap of the pot of Shakespeare S Macbeth. It is.
Bloody tragedy starts off with three weird sisters, who tell Macbeth a relative of the king Duncan that he himself will become.
They also tell another general bank wow that his sons and descendants will be kings, that he himself never will be so Macbeth wife, Lady Macbeth, vows, to help him achieve this goal of ruling the kingdom by convincing him to kill King Duncan
relative, and this is only the first of many murders and the play Macbeth is behind the murder of guards the theme of fifes Macduff,
family and everyone in his castle, Lady Macbeth commit suicide. She's unable to wash the blood from her hands and Macbeth is haunted by the ghost of banquet
and the play ends with a battle in which Macduff chills Macbeth.
Duncan son? Malcolm has the throne. This is worse,
Gordon yeah Classic Shakespeare tragedy: everybody dead on the stage at the end of the play, but there was in fact a real Macbeth YAP, so Macbeth was and arrested
In eleventh century Scotland, and during this time there was it
I'm a janitor lake. We think of most rule
today in Europe, your son becomes king or some relative defend it becomes king after you die there wasn't any firstborn inheriting. Instead kings would pay
their successors, and so you can imagine that would lead to a lot of strife costs, not just the kid you ended up with
the result of an old woman to hear so Macbeth S father was killed by MC baths. Cousins who wanted his throne later in life, Macbeth revenge.
His father by killing them and married one of their widows grew OC for real life. Lady Macbeth and
We're not sure that name is gonna, make a comeback as a baby names so where requesting, but a listener could perhaps name a pat after grew up.
I grew up Lambert. You know. I don't really think that
a work. Perhaps if I take my imaginary future husband last may, we can reconsider it, but Macbeth had it
Hidell that wasn't the fan of GLONASS and the king, Malcolm the second, whose king the time of Macbeth decided to institute this
rule of panic, janitor and ended up choosing his nephew Duncan and the nobles, where angered as scottish
novels always are in every single podcast. We have ever done line, and part of this is in our maybe personal went in
like me, but also
can just isn't much of a ruler.
He's not very good in battle, he doesn't seem like he should be king and so Macbeth
Duncan in battle- and we should note that
not a battle against each other, if perhaps a friendly fire sort of situation here and then Macbeth in turn is eventually killed by Duncan son, who is often in Malcolm but Macbeth didn't have a bad reputation among the things like your average average stuff,
back then just killing the king kindness them. I honourably may be not so much nothing terrible. So where does it
Wrap come from wall. Shakespeare's Macbeth was written some time in the early. Sixteen hundreds, which is a good five hundred years after Mc Baths, life and, of course, history loves embellishment over the ages,
and Shakespeare used. Raphia Hollan sheds chronicles of England, Scotland and Ireland, which was published in fifteen seventy seven as background information, but he never planned for it to be historically accurate. The play he wanted to build on that yeah. It's a historical drama, not an actual account, so conscious, head of course built on the earlier version
of the story and through the centuries we had all these little bits added in Lake
the imaginary bank, hello and this evil
scary, lady Macbeth and those were
in the fourteen hundreds and the early fifteen hundred. So getting a little closer to store. We know today. Poor grew up.
And yet there was no real life counterpart for Banco and that's a little bit of a big deal, because if you remember how the witches in the play promise him, this line of kings
he was supposedly that the start of the steward line, think of whose king, when Shakespeare's putting on this
exactly, and that may be part of the reason that he's turned into such an innocent character in Shakespeare S play which he wasn't
earlier versions, and I get a impress the gene
Planetary hang butter is good, so, according to
the legend. The very first performance of the play Macbeth in sixteen ethics had the actor playing lady Macbeth, who was a boy falling ill and dying right before the start of a mysterious fever, and perhaps Shakespeare took over the,
for him and was really terrible in it and therefore didn't wanna hear the plays name again I mean if you're awful, you welcome stage like Don
embarrassing performance of theirs
I carried out and that's that the witches incantations were real and they were real chance that Shakespeare lifted, and so they curse the play for evermore. But why
Would Shakespeare have done something like that? King James had offered a book on demon Ology, which is one of his chief interests and as we mention of course, William Shakespeare wanted his favour, but the story goes that James hated the play and possibly bandit from being performed. So that brings us to the stories of the curse, and we
two prefaces by saying, we are not saying that any of these stories are true, because only a few of them can be corroborated, we'll try to point out some of the ones that can believe that we think are true. Yes,
These are the stories that so many of you sent us and the ones that you'll see most frequently mentioned about the curse of him.
These are not all real we're just telling you what people say as though this is upon cast about the curse. Exactly so here goes the hearsay we're gonna start in the seventeenth century in one performance, the actor playing me back.
Supposedly used a real knife instead of a stage prompt and killed the actor playing Duncan in front of alive audience.
The eighteenth century, at the opening day of performance in London and also marked the day of one of the worst storms ever to hit the city, this fund is one of my favorites.
In another performance, we have a rich walking across the stage
dimension that sometimes the very best people would get set on the side of the stage speeches.
The cross? The stage in the middle of the play ticket? Answering your cell phones, it's worse than that, but going to talk to his friend the actor
got very angry and ran him out. So he came back with a policy of friends and burned the whole place down in seventeen. Seventy five famed british actress, Sarris citizens, who is most famous for her portrayal of the lady Macbeth, was almost attacked by an
in some member states, such as the power of theatre moving on to the nineteenth century. This is a pretty good when feel the sun's. My very.
Can I still this year on year,
we're in the mid eighteen hundreds, and there are two actors who hate each other. One is english.
William, a crazy and one is American Edwin, forest and forest is said to have started this whole few
by being a very rude audience: member Adam accredit performance in London, so they both stage different productions of Macbeth at the same time in New York, city and supporters of forest through stuff. At my crazy, while he was on stage in his performance, which I mean something
her chair, like throwing tomatoes at someone. So then there was a riot known as the Astor Place Riot and the militia came and shot just at the crime
more than twenty people died and anywhere between thirty and a hundred people were injured depends on what your reading, which is absolutely
saying well, maybe double the productions, double the curse, to throw moving on to a very famous incident involving the curse one week in aid
sixty five president, Abraham Lincoln, was reading from his favorite play. Reading his favorite passage about Duncans assassination the next week he was assassinated. Guess what play he was that
make a bath and in another incident in the nineteenth century and actor accidently seriously. Injured
another one with a sword and in the nineteen
One is Lionel Barrymores performance. Ass Macbeth was reviewed, so scathingly that he now
got on Broadway stage again, so ruining
careers now, as well as accidentally or purposely stabbing people.
We have a few more at this stage. Accidents, though the british actress civil Thorndyke, was almost strangled by an actor which
It seems like it would be hard to do absolutely almost strangle. Someone maybe not accident, is a really good actress.
At a London staging. A fat collapsed and hit the cask, and there was also a fire in the nineteen. Thirty,
one actress playing lady Macbeth died right before the last dress rehearsal.
Supposedly during a nineteen, thirty four production, an actor went, mute onstage.
And the guy who took over for him got a fever and went to the hospital or depending
story. Read the one actor went
viewed from a fever and had to be hospitalized again, there's Emma
The strengthening of european investment over her farmers are in
eighteen, thirty, six Orson Welles put on an all black production in Harlem, and there was a haitian
which doktor who had a role in the play and when one
the critics panned the production he and
drummers, keeping the wicked witch doctor and some of the drama in the play cursed the critic like really cursed him in
he died of pneumonia fell, also in
Nineteen thirty is Lawrence, Olivier was almost crushed by a stage weight and in a car accident on separate occasions and the proprietor
of the theatre had a fatal heart attack on opening night and her dog
on the same day or again
depending on what you read the reply it or died during a dress rehearsal, and it was an actress who was in the car accident, then in the nineteen forty. If there was a very unlucky staging in eighteen, forty, two and two of the witch
and Duncan died, and the set designer killed himself and MRS of the snow likely one in
team. Forty seven in England, one seven in Harold Norman was accidently, stabbed with
sore during the end fight scene and died, and the kicker is that, right before he said he didn't believe in the curse and his ghost haunts the theatre.
And then this is a pretty good one to one actress. Diana vineyard walked off the stage wealth.
Fucking as Lady Macbeth in eighteen, forty eight ain't, she wasn't
squinting her eyes kind of fake
closing at her. She had them shot and walked off the state right into the orchestra pit, which was like a fifteen foot drop or something
She must have not then, to cursed, though, because she got right up from the far the show must go on sir. In the night,
in fifty, is during a bermuda staging supposedly during an attack seen these flames were blown into the audience near the castle attack and Charlton Heston, whose playing Macbeth was severely burn,
and Olivier in another production. Almost blinded and other actors that we're thinking I'm thinking like
that was the last may be better taken. We were, the sixties, gets a curse, gets the sixty is very, very busy,
and then in the nineteen seventies, there's an actor strike and fires
multiple robberies in plants, NATO summit
on film a camera operator was almost killed and
and finally, we get the nineteen Edith where in eighteen, eighty eight and one production there are twenty six cases of flu lots of injuries, lots of directors, lots of actors and lots of stage managers that doesn't sound like a curse. So much to me is just as bad, preferably run production, yes, but we ve got some possible explanations, of course, for this year for the high rate of accidents and trouble with me,
One thing there a lot of fighting than that, because a lot of chances for injure you notice most of what we
and here is people getting stabbed
accidently you're, walking off the stage acts,
we being injured in something action, packed and dramatic, and there are lots of dark scenes, of course, and us
also a popular play and it's a short play. So it's been considered a good choice for failing companies to put on and then of course, is not the place for that accompany fails. It already was the play, just perhaps sounded the death now, but still that ties and the whole curse.
And all players have things go wrong. We just concentrate on Macbeth because supposedly there is a curse, and since it is such an old play, we ve got centuries and centuries of time. For all of these things to happen, I mean perhaps will
a new one for its and say in a few centuries, but it's
formation by us, because you start looking for all the things that that back up your belief, instead of paying any attention to all the things that down in units, surely there's another terrible storm. That's taken place at that at the beginning.
Production or an actor dies during a play. Those things are entirely unusual here in college actually did a project on theatres in
he's entering London, and I mean the accidents were in vain. If, if you go back and look at the London Times, archives, there's just every ten
one thing that could possibly happen to you would happen during these stage. Production like fancy ones too terrible, fall than life fights and swords and falling through the trap door to start yes, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that I don't
that there's an egg bath corcyra, but I'm not gonna say that he can't you don't wanna, Harold Norman. I will hear the guy who says he doesn't leave in the curse. I mean. I don't know if this curse extends to pass, that on a veto
old about anymore studio benefit
same here now I mean I can't noticed our list of of curses stopped,
Nineteen we don't know what
going on for it like the past twenty years and if maybe the curse has jumped to new media is at a time for revival
Perhaps I can only hope that we do have some tips, though, if you happen to say the place,
in a theater and we might do it now that we're janitors podcast between key the tradition,
is that if you say Macbeth in a theater, you leave the room. You spend three
times over your right shoulder you stay
and then you knock on the door and asked to come back, and so, if there are any
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