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hello and welcome to the podcast, I'm Holly fry and I'm Tracy Wilson and today's subject is a little bit of art history. It's not a little bit of quite a bit of art history, but also its ties into abolitionist history. It's also an inch study of identity and like public presentation, and it also touches on a particularly long and circuitous path that a specific piece of art sometimes go on before finding its way to the safety of a museum collection. So we're talking today about sculptor Ed Mony, a Louis typically we're talking about a person as the subject of upon cast. We start with the early life with their birth and what we know about their parents, and this is one of those cases where its tricky to do that, because at Mony spoke very little about her childhood and even gave some varying and inconsistent information about her childhood throughout her life,

This is one of those cases where the subject kind of blurred- the picture I'll bet themselves and we'll talk about why she might have done that later on in the episode. But estimates put her birth most likely sometime, one thousand eight hundred and forty three one thousand eight hundred and forty four one thousand eight hundred and forty five in upstate New York. Possibly Ohio. I've also seen it suggested that it could even have been New Jersey. She was born as marry at Mony a Louis and her father was from the Caribbean and her mother was part Ajib way and act. Her parents died when she was still very young. She was possibly not even five years old at the time. It was her mothers family that raised her the truth.

tat her mother had been part of was nomadic and Louis, who went by the name wildfire when she was among her native American can live that life until the age of twelve. She also had an older brother named Samuel, who was opened in his sunrise, and her brother was more than a decade older than she was an eighteen forties. He left his relatives in the Eastern United States to pursue gold mining in California. Whose reasonably successful at it, and it was because of her brother success that wildfire left the nomadic life of her tribal family to attend school Samuel actually paid for her to attend school in New York and eventually in eighteen. Fifty nine in motor enrolled at the young Ladys Preparatory Department of Oberlin College and

brill in Ohio, and this was also paid for by her older brother, and it was during this time that she dropped using the name wildfire completely and switched entirely to add Mona. She also kind of abandoned her first name Mary. This is a significant point in her life, as the abolitionist movement was very active at Oberlin, and it really impact in her as a young student, but to other important things also happened to admonish during her college education, both good and bad one was that she developed into a skilled sketch artist, and the other is that she was accused of poisoning through other young women at the college, who were her roommates with spanish fly according to her accusers at Mony us, of the two of them mould wine before they went out for a sleigh ride with two young men and why, the young women were out on their date. Both of them became violently ill. This accusation

just an immediate rift in the culture of Oberlin. The school was dedicated to progressive causes and social justice and prided itself on admitting african Americans and women. Since eighteen thirties. The two girls at Mona had allegedly poisoned were white and a white Bologna mob forms to punish Louis. They seized her and beat her and then left her for dead in a field. When she appeared in court weeks later, she had a shattered collar bone and needed crutches to walk her attackers were never brought to justice. Erroneous lawyer, John Mercer Langston, who went on to great fame himself, had argued that Roommates stomach contents were never tested for poison, so that the entire accusation was really hearsay and she was acquitted, but it was not the end of her troubles at the school. Her reputation was really deeply damaged by scheme

though there I read some accounts. It suggested the basically she couldn't walk anywhere without people whispering about her, which I can only imagine had to be terribly demoralising he was later accused of stealing art materials and she wasn't allowed to register for her final term or graduate as a consequence, and those charges were

again for lack of evidence, but she still was not allowed to complete. Her degree was really reminds me of our episode on Molly spotted Elk yeah, the performer and how, when she was working at a camp where the the girls who is working with really loved her bits, and then she had all of these accusations as the only indigenous burg person working at the camp, it seem like we're, probably false and made against her, not ferny real evidence. It's very very parallel, so through the financial assistance of her brother once more, she moved to Boston Massachusetts and, while Oberlin had exposed her at her art potential aunt of Abolitionist Movement, Boston really built on that exposure. With a lot of new connections, she met abolitionists and journalist, William Lloyd gear.

Sin and the two became close friends. She also met sculptor Edward a bracket bought via an introduction that garrison made between the two of them. Yes, it just as a little bit of context on those two men, William Lloyd Garrison, was the publisher of the liberator, which was an anti slavery paper that ran from eighteen, thirty, one until the end of the civil war in eighteen, sixty five and Edward Augusta's bracket, who he had introduced Mona too, was a self taught sculptor, very well known for busts and dramatic concepts, including a marble peace that he carved depicting drowned woman and her baby and he also served in the civil war. But then, in the eighteen seventies he left behind his career in art to head up the Massachusetts. Fishing commission, so also very fascinating men in another themselves. They could be podcast subjects in the future. Through her friendship with Bracket and Mona began to sculpt. He served as a teacher,

mentor to her in this new medium started, creating clay and plaster medallions representing abolitionist leaders, including William Lloyd, Garrison, Charles Sumner Window, Philips and John Brown, and she earned both acclaim. Anson commercial and if it for her work in the early eighteen sixties. Yes, she is one of those cases where she really was able to make a living for herself with her art and her rapid rise to fame came from a peace that she did in eighteen, sixty four, which was a bust of colonel Rob, Shaw said the colonel in case. You do not recognise. That name was the White Union soldier who led the fifty fourth Massachusetts. That was the first all black regiment northeast and one of the first all black regiments in the war, He also led a wage boycott to protest. The lesser pay that black soldiers received compared to white soldiers

and she died in battle at for Wagner in July of eighteen sixty three, and so he kind of had this very heroic image. So this bust was incredibly popular Louis made so much money selling copies of it that she was able to pay her way to travel to Europe. She toward multiple cities, including London, Paris and Florence, but though it seemed briefly that Florence would be her new home in Europe. She wound up settling in Rome and in eighteen, sixty five. She rented a studio air adjacent to the Piazza Barberini and Rome was a fairly natural choice. At the time it was a haven for a number of artist, expats was a particularly attractive location for sculptors to set up studios because of the ready real ability of white marble. Additionally, there was an abundance of skilled stone cutters in Rome who could take an artist

last her or wax model and copy that work into marble and as a sculptor studying the NEO classical style. That was popular among the city's other sculptors at the time they really expanded and refined Louis's skills. But though she had access to skilled labour is to assist in her work. She really didn't engage many. There are a couple of theories as to why she opted to go the more difficult route in creating marble pieces were once didn't, have a lot of extra money to pay for other people's work, but for another. She was concerned about debate about the purity of a work that had been copied onto marble by other workers who work the artist. One of her friends had already faced criticism that her work was right. We, the artistry of rooms, work rather than her own artistic work and ammonia really quickly picked up.

in and she settled in the roman culture, and she also made some very close friends when which we just mention they were both american women who were also living in the city. One was sculptor Harriet Hostler, who was the person that had face that criticism that her work was not her own and the other was actress. Charlotte Cushman and the three women were part of a larger, of women artists in ITALY at the time that Henry James once described, as quote that strange Mr Hood of American Lady sculptors, who, at one time settled upon this, the hills of Rome in a white. Memoriam flock we'll talk about some of the work that Ed Mony Louis created while living in Rome next, but before we do, we will pause where a word from one of our sponsors

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Yet this, I may be completely naive. This sort of blows my mind because her copies, Why good night, I just to me. It seems amazing that people could just make copies of such a beautiful piece it and do it in I'm pretty good style, swim, one thousand eight hundred and sixty six. She also began a series of sculptures featuring native Americans that were in You're by the Longfellow poem, the song of Hiawatha. She created a sculpture, titled, the old arrow me your first and you'll also see this work listed with variations in the title, such as the in the narrow maker in his daughter or simply arrow maker, and this piece there's a native american man and his daughter, as he teaches her, how to make arrows and that peace is currently in the collection of the Smithsonian American ART Museum on made first of two thousand nine another sculpture in the Hiawatha Series, the marriage of Hiawatha sold at auction for three hundred and fourteen thousand five hundred dollars. Henry Wadsworth Long

oh visited her studio in Rome to sit for robust, and it's likely that he saw some of these sculptures that his works had inspired whose among many many people who flocked to admonish studio, she became a very popular figure in the art world in the second half of the nineteenth century, with a really devoted fan base that emit and many prominent people visited her to have their likenesses, hoped it yeah. It's definitely one of those things that it's sort of hard. I think I know for me when I doing research. To really it took me a while to realise like oh, she was famous, but you tend to think of art kind of doing art is doing their thing on their own and their studios and they sell works that go out, but people really did Blake sort of have this cult of celebrity around her which to me for the fascinating associate also created an anti slavery. Peace in eighteen, sixty seven, which has titled forever free in it

the man and woman breaking free of their bonds and that particular sculpture is now part of the collection of Howard University Gallery of art. In Washington D dot c. She did several chair in pieces in a series including awake, asleep and poor cupid, awake and asleep. Both feature would appear to be the same to churbuck infants and they are very similar, except for the fact that they are awake or asleep. Poor cupid is a depiction of the Cherub reaching for a rose in the ground, but his hand has been ensnared in a trap. The expression on keypad space is not a pained grimace, but he looks more like fortunately irritated awaken asleep or both in the San Jose Public Library and poor Cupid, isn't Smithsonian's collection, I seriously love the expression, have on cupids face it. Mouth lay peaches, looks so bothered it's a really really love. the capture of emotion, funny ammonium,

This continued to create busts as well. Those were really like a pretty standard way to keep money flowing in and she made several of them of prominent public figures, including president, Abraham, Lincoln and generally ulysses- S grant the end of it. Money with his life story is a lot like it's beginning, it's kind of hazy. It was long believed that she had lived out the remainder of her years in ITALY, but in fact she died in London, England in nineteen o seven. This is pretty new information. It was unearth unearthed by historian Maryland Richardson through diligent efforts at tracking down her grave and records of her final years. For a long time, her year of death was completely inconsistent in any source material and her ways of death was pretty much assumed to be Rome. Yeah Marilyn Richardson has done a lot of work studying in money, Louis his life and has just a broad broad scope of regulatory information and as the aid,

hundreds and did the neoclassical style that Louis had been so skilled in was falling out. A favor and Rome had really been surpassed by Paris is the Vogue city for artists, so we know that by nineteen o one according to census records we had moved to London already she died. It turned out of kidney disease. Church records indicate that This was laid to rest in London, Saint marries, roman catholic Cemetery for a fee of five pounds. Fifty two pence according to her final wishes, her death was announced only in a british roman catholic bulletin called tablet, and that posting made no mention of her art career. Her will listed Louis the sculptor and spinster, and one of the more fascinating aspects of Louis is a historical figure. Is her legacy as a native american Slash african american sculptor, its

those things where, if you just look up her name, that's kind of like the very brief blurb you'll see Lake America's firsts provenance native american african american sculptor but like her nebulous origin story, there is actually a great deal about her. That's unclear in this identity becomes very interesting and shifts a little bit, and it seems, at least in part to be due to a degree of shrewdness on her part. She was pretty comfortable allowing press coverage of her work during her life to characterize her, based largely on that native american or african american heritage, but ignoring the fact that she was well educated and really quite worldly. In an interview with the toast and twenty fifteen historian, Maryland Richardson said of admonish Louis quote, she worked both sides of the street depending on her audience. In her patrons she emphasised her blackness or her made her native american origins. She was very savvy about how to keep her identity and

play in this portrayal of her in the dutch press at the time as something of a novelty zundert end may have helped elevate. Her visibility is an art. so that was no small fee for women of color in the eighteen, hundreds Additionally, press coverage of the time that spoke of Is this sort of mysterious exotic, almost child lay creature who had suddenly appeared on the Euro in art seem meant at her prey. Scandals at school could pretty much go unmentioned. It was like she had divorced herself from that life and was creating this new identity for her public persona. Next couple talk about one of Louis as most important works, which has its own unique history, but first will have another quick pause for a word from a sponsor Look the Yorkshire children's eyes to see the true magic of a forest. It's us rebook world? For them? You look and see a tree. They see their wrinkled face of a wizard with arms outstretched to this guy,

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one of Edmonia, Louis's largest sculptures and somewhat even argue. Her most important was a piece titled, the death of Cleopatra, which weighed a whopping two tonnes, and it depicts the kitchen queen in the moments after her suicide, still seated on her throne, and while I was not unkind, for artists to represent Cleopatra in the moments before her death. Louis's, realistic representation of the actual death was actually considered somewhat distasteful by some critics, but in eighteen, seventy six soon after its completion, the death of Cleopatra was shown at the Philadelphia. Opposition to a great critical reception that was shown again in eighteen. Seventy eight in Chicago at the expo. It was one of five hundred sculptures on display, but it really stood out. It was called quote the most remarkable piece of sculpture and the american section by J S Ingram and his books. His book about the Expos art offerings centre,

expedition, described and illustrated artist. William J Clark, Junior wrote of that Cleopatra Statue in eighteen. Seventy eight quote this was not a beautiful work it was a very original and very striking one. Cleopatra is in a chair, the poison of the ASP has done its work and the queen is dead. The effects of debt are represented with such skill as to be absolutely repellent, and it is a question whether a statue ghastly characteristics of this one does not overstep the bounds of legitimate art Fortunately, we admire returned to roam the death of Cleopatra had to stay behind and the United States, because, while she hadn't sold it, she also couldn't afford the return shipping costs this enormous work of art we have talked before about how it can be quite difficult to move large scale. Cross, an increase in any went into storage,

after an mony left it in the. U S, this peace had an interesting life. It first reappeared as a piece of decay. or image Chicago saloon on Clark Street in eighteen, ninety two and then at some point: up in the possession of a gambler name, Blind John Condom who installed them mark, peace at a race track in Forest Park Illinois. The massive works that, on top of a horse s grave, the horse, said named Cleopatra and when the land there was purchased by the: U S Navy to become military housing. The statue remained, Canada, place a covenant and the properties deed that step that stipulated that the horses grave and its impression impressive statue had to stay there undisturbed. when the property was later purchased by the mere construction company to build a new shopping mall. The statute No, we move they did not care about the covenant. Apparently, but this time

set, you just sat in a work yard and was more or less forgotten. Some years later, a Cicero fire chief named Harold Adams was inspecting the property and saw this Cleopatra statue. He was taken with its beauty and wanted to help make sure it wasn't completely lost the time. So. First, you move it the higher ground in the yard and also wanted to try to clean up the sculpture, because there was graffiti on it. So his sons scout troop painted over this graffiti with white latex paint, Adams later told the Chicago Tribune they did so quite so, she looked decent until somebody came along. You'd know better what to do for her and over the of a decade atoms really it tried to kind of find a way to get this statue into a more proper setting. He placed notices in the paper, and sometimes the paper would cover his work as liquor at special interest story. and he did this hoping some one would know about its past and come forward to help and eventually a few people did start to share information about the scope

time is a grave marker, and this got the attention of the forest park. Historical society. Historical group took possession of the statue in the nineteen eighties and they moved her to a shopping. Mall storage area and then in one thousand five hundred and eighty eight, the president of the historical society, a dentist named Frank Orland, reached out to the New York Metropolitan Museum of ART for any possible information about the artist, because her name was car. the back of the sculpture, the museum connected with Marilyn Richardson, who had been researching and money a Louis and gave this story and Orleans phone number Initially, Oerleaped didn't return. Our calls for Richardson flew to Chicago to find him. He allowed her to see the statue you still in the forest park. Mall storeroom,

along with our seas and old, decorations and initially at sea? Might there was some tension between them? While the forest park, historical society, felt that the marble peace was part of their history, Richardson worked to convince Orleans and his colleagues of the statues import in the larger context. american art history, yet kinda funny, there's one article that will be in the show notes. That was one of my sources where it it is a contemporary article from when this discovery He had really come to light and they were The figure out what was going to happen with it and the quotes from each of them are like these very still did. I don't want to do what they want to do like he very clearly doesn't want somebody coming in, and like the historical society, what to do with their fine, and she is very concerned that they don't appreciate, but this piece of art is it's quite quite yet it's very carefully worded it, but you can tell there. Is tension? Go

but eventually the ART Institute of Chicago Amis, Smithsonian Museum came into the picture. George Gurney, the American ART Museum, sculpture, expert, advocated on behalf of the Smithsonian to assure or Ireland that the museum really would be. The best home for Louis is historically significant work. And the Smithsonian was finally allowed to take possession of the peace, and it was restored for display at the Smithsonian American ART museums, Loose Foundation centre where it remains. This restoration was intensive and cost thirty thousand dollars. There's only one. Existing photograph of the work in its original condition to work from and several pieces of, the sculpture had broken off. Several fingers on Cleopatra Light right hand had to be replaced, as well as the asp that claimed her life and the sandals on her feet. Restoration work was carried out with extreme care in a manner that can be reversed and edited should better source material come about about what this sculpture

looks like in its original state, and now it still sits in the Smithsonian's collection, which I love. It's a really beautiful and it is very striking, sculpture, and today Oberlin College, where in many went to school, is actually home to the advantage of Louis Centre for women and transgender people. The centre is, according to its website, quote a collection of students. staff and administrators who strive to transform existing systems of oppression based on sex, gender, race class, sexuality, age ability, side. Religion, nationality as necessary, and language Louis's own sexual orientation remains kind of maybe lists. The Miller leads to her early and late last years of her life.

She was rumored during her life to have had romantic relations of the women, but these claims really are really very difficult to substantiate one way or the other accounts of her life will sometimes suggests that this whole poisoning incident that she was accused of in college was actually an instance of her attempting to use. Can parties which is spanish lie and the hopes of catalyzing sexual encounter with her roommates and her close knit group of female friends in ITALY is similarly hinted at as being sexual in nature. But while she never married or seem to have any publicly known, really the ships of any kind and she sometimes dressed and men's clothing. She never identified on the record in any particular way. Yes, so it's one of those cases where I know she is often she does often show up in, like L, diabetes, ABC Q histories, as as an artist that they would, aim as their own, which is great that she's getting exposure but

She never be. No. We usually don't like to assign any sort of sexual and it even someone after they are no longer with us to speak for them right. Well, we weep. I ve had some like episodes in Leicester, males before we talked about how, like it's really important, to talk about the broad spectrum of human relationships in history and identities, and how people have lived their lives, but at the same time like it, it's I think really important to both of us. not to just assign people identities yeah. I dont want to assume anything. I mean it it's, there could be any number of points on the spectrum where she was and She was not willing to give up that information. The rest conjecture so certainly possible, but I would not claim anything is fact cause we just done now, and that is a mania Louis who she's one of those people that I have in the back of my mind for a long time,

never actually put her on a list, and I dont know why. Then I was doing research for another thing and it s will the cross her. I have, however, have why have we not done or other, but while I have the opposite like even even though I dont consider myself to be like completely ignorant about art, I, it was not a name. I really recognised and then I googled her and went out the seams awesome each year, and it is one of those things that makes you blew makes me anyway. I think about kind of how easily people are lost to the passage of time, because she was very famous in the eighteen, sixteen eighteen, seventeen and eighteen eighty. So for her to be a name that people don't always know now, is it very interesting transition to have happened and the sculptures there's there are photos of a lot of her sculptures online and their beautiful

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