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story is about creating amazing and intricate works of engineering craftsmanship, but it's also about witnessing and being part of just a dramatic shift in Japan as send and Japan's place on the world stage Tanaka he's a she gay was born on September eighteen, seventeen. Ninety nine in Kourou may on the island of key issue in the south western part of the japanese archipelago This was in the later part of the meadow period, also known as the took a gala period. We talked about this period. In japanese history a little earlier this year we did the Saturday classic on Hokosa, which came out in January for a really quick recap, though this lasted from about sixteen o three to eighteen. Sixty seven- and it was a period that was known for its relatively prosperous too, Woody Japan had an emperor, but the nation was controlled by the took shogunate and its provinces were ruled by feudal lords, known as the

I'm? U and Japan was also pretty isolated from the rest of the world beyond Asia. Japan issued a series of edicts in sixteen thirty said, expelled Christians and westerners from its borders and restricted, aid with other nations. It maintain trading relationships only with the Chinese and the Dutch Japan. Only international trading port was in Nagasaki. Senecas father was a craftsman who made accessories and ornaments from tortoise shells and as the old, sign to knock as involvement with this business and the skills and techniques that were involved with it. That would have started an early age but tortoise Shell TK Having really was not what inspired him at heart, he was really an inventor when he was nine Tanaka took one of his first inventions to school. It was an stone case with a locking drawer. It's locked, mechanism involved a cord that had to be twisted in a very specific way, to release the lock

fourteen. He built a loom used to make a type of pattern- fabric known as Karami cursory as the name suggests. This is a style of cloth at specific to the caribbean region and was developed by a twelve year old girl named in it DEN in about eighteen hundred. It is woven with indigo died. Cotton thread with intricate patterns, usually in white as part of the weaving another source of fascination for tobacco was characterise puppets. Are dolls? Characterise essentially means mechanism and its a term that used to describe various complicated devices. Characterise dolls or puppets could also be called Automata a lot in common with the automata that we talked about in our previous episode called five historical robots. They use things like strings pulleys, cams gears gravity air pressure and hydraulics

to move around and perform various tasks. They were both beautiful and complex, and they combined long established, traditions of puppetry and clock in Japan. These contraptions were really popular during the ETA period and there was an annual festival held for them at a shrine where Tanaka lived he also read about and studied them through work I'll, be illustrated compendium of clever machines by Hostaqua HANS. Oh your! Now this event wished in seventeen ninety six in it included all kinds of illustrations, descriptions and diagrams of things like mechanical clocks toy Ankara Currie, Puppets Tanaka was building these himself by the time he was twenty. Some were based designs that other people had created like the ones in this book. One of them was a t serving doll. It would carry a full cup of tea. One end of a table to another and then, after the risk,

he drank the tea and put the empty cup back onto the dolls tray. It would turn around and go back to where it started. This is one of the devices that was described in the illustrated compendium of clever machines. I want this illustrated compendium. There's of to knock dolls were from his own design. He heads need and made a replica of a dutch Aragon, and he is the same principles of air compression in some of his designs. His known device was the unique dozy or little archer. It's a figure on it has a bow with a family stand before arrows in front of it. It shoot each of the arrows at a nearby target, but little art is often described as being a boy, but in some act, as notes, sits described as a girl, the head and the face are very lifelike and every time it hits the target the head moves in a way that makes it look like the archers smiling and a pretty satisfied way. But one of the four

era was always misses and when that happens, the head instead move the way that it makes. It seem crestfallen and defeated to add even more to the complexity. If you remove the sides of the box at the archer sits on, you can see the gears at work inside along with another figure. That appears to be winding the lower gears to keep the whole thing moving, it's kind of a almost like cartoons, this kind of situation, where there is a machine and inside the machine, is something that's like reboot making the machine do all of the archers oceans are really precise and exact, grasps every arrow between thumb and finger. It move its head while it aims and it shifts the bow and it releases the arrow. At this point, this little sure as more than two hundred years old and it still works, you can see videos of it online, as other automata included. Saki cub Switch behaved a lot like the tea serving dolls that we talked about earlier. Another was Kobodaishi secret ink brush. It did

Did the japanese Buddhist Monk Kobodaishi, who was known as cockeyed during his life in the late eighth, an early nine centuries, the figure of Kobodaishi uses a brush to draw character in the air and the character, he's. Drawing simultaneously appears on a separate, japanese sliding door tonight. Often left some of the atomic inner workings visible. So observers could get a hint of all the com Ex Gears and police and other systems in sign by the age of twenty four. And he says she gay was considered to be a master had making these automata. He was mixed named car game on guy Mine- was another version of the name he's the she gay and he was to make his living by creating these attacks and then also entertaining people with them. This was a career that combined being an engineer and inventor a craftsman, Annan entertainer all in the one he was so eager

do it and so clearly skilled added that he convinced his father to let one of his younger brothers take his place in the family business and then to knock a started touring Japan with his apartment There's some debate about whether the techniques and innovations that were used in character, e influenced other japanese technology and innovations, but when it so the people who made them its clear that some went on to make technological advances in other fields. One example cannot he's a she gay who we will talk about more after a sponsor break stuff you missed in history classes, brought to you by curiosity stream. I I love documentaries. I'm sure a lot of you do too and also have some time on my hands as we continue to stay at home, you can get down,

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to make these two she gave spent a few years touring Japan with his car query atomic tat. He became famous in this process, but unfortunately, this career did not last, as we noted at the top of the show, took a gallop period in Japan was known for its stability, but at the same time it was something of a financial house of Cards the time were required to keep one home in their province and another in Edinburgh and then to travel back and forth between them. Both households and the travel were expected to be expensive, opulent the idea being that if the daimio were spending all their money I'll this lavish upkeep they'd. Never have enough money to be able to raise an army and rise up against the shogunate at this time, because the toga period was also relatively peaceful. The Samara

Class had evolved from being warriors to being administrators and bureaucrats with most of them living on small stipends, not really enough to get by many, impoverished and dissatisfied with the shogunate and the daimyo these and other doctors, let Mizuno Tata Kuni, who was cootie. Who was an adviser to the show gun to institute a series of reforms starting hundred eighteen, thirty, doing what was known as the tempo era. They emphasised austere Eddie and frugality in all areas of life. Many officials and bureaucrats lost their positions and expensive styles of artwork clothing and entered that were discouraged or outright outlawed. This included the character automata that Sonata he's a she gay had been designing and making tonight. Turned out to be one of the meadow periods, last character masters and many of the surviving pieces that still exist today are ones that he created with his career as a character.

Craftsmen no longer possible to MCA, moved to Osaka in eighteen, thirty, four and started focusing on more practical uses for his skin rules and invention and engineering pay developed a water pump that fire fighters put to use, he also created a collapsible candles stand. That became very popular among doctors who could folded flat. Mary with them when they visited their patience? He also drew on the technology of that Dutch Aragon to improve on the oil lamps. They were being used for illumination. These I am generally used a type of oil. They didn't move up the lamps Wick very easily, which meant that the light tended to be dim and kind of flickering Tanaka used, pressed air to force the oil through the wick, which made the lamb burn brighter longer and more reliably. This lamp was called the mood in tow and Tanaka made them in different sizes and styles to suit different tastes and needs, and soon they were being used all over Osaka. However, those tempo reform

had not returned Japan to a state of prosperous plenty. The way they were intended, a famine developed alongside the austerity measures and other reforms and that famine spiked in eighteen, thirty, six and eighteen, thirty, seven and oh soccer. This lead to food riots and and Rising against the local leadership to knock. I guess she gay and his family fled, leaving behind a workshop that was burned to the ground and the uprising they moved to the Fushimi District of Kyoto. In Kyoto, Tanaka opened a shop where he made and sold candle stands and move lamps, he branched into new areas of study, including mathematics in astronomy here, He became interested in western style clocks that were being imported to Japan from Europe, He started making clocks on his own, including one that used to take drum as an alarm the also got back that make, devices, but we're not strictly practical. Time they were incredibly intricate time pieces. One was called

these shoe me singing which he finished in eighteen. Fifty this was requested by a buddhist monk named Fremont Ensue and it represented the universe as explained through Buddhist cosmology rather than through western astronomy. The earth is at the centre, with the sun and the moon. Orbiting Mount Subaru. It also indicated the twenty four seasons the year in the Buddhist calendar, this was a tables, hop device that was wound up with a key and sometimes as described as Japan's first planetary his most famous creation during this time was the man, then Jamais Show chronometer or the myriad year clock. Sometimes the million your clock. He started on it in eighteen, forty eight and he finished it in eighteen. Fifty one this Och measures about sixty three centimetres or twenty four inches high, and it weighs thirty eight kilograms about eighty three pounds In the words of Uli a author of me,

in time astronomical time measurement and took a gala. Japan quote while constructing the ultimate clock he says she gay aspired to perfection beauty that we're not only technical but also aesthetic and material. This time peace is intricate and its also useful with an ornate surface. That's covered and tiny mother of pearl. In ways that are pattern in a style, that's known as written, there also Painted a mammal and lay is around the base depicting things like a tortoise, a rooster, a drum and a rabbit. This device has approximately a thousand pieces and its internal work in parts. This clock has six faces each with a unique purpose. The first is a wood, ok or a traditional japanese clock that was used during the ETA period western time. Keeping everything is a fixed link. There are twenty four hours a day, sixty minutes and our sixty seconds in a minute and the length of those increments do not change.

In traditional japanese time. Keeping the length of an hour varies by the seas in each day is divine. It in half with one half being daylight hours in the other being darkness during the summer when the days are longer the daylight hours or longer in the night time hours are shorter during the summer when the nights are longer. It is, of course the opposite. The sounds to me both beautiful and hard, to keep up with Just as Sweden grow up with it, if you are you're normal thing, you'd be again now is that I will move hours or longer. When you tell us, why are all hours the same number of length all the time? so clock makers in Japan made clocks that told time this way for about two hundred years. They used a variety of methods to count for these season variations for example, they might have interchangeable faces or pulleys that people adjusted as the seasons changed and the myriad year

the hours were represented by twelve moving silver pieces, six for the day and six for the night, with the clocks in our work adjusting the width between them over time. So during the summer the pieces on the top half of the clock face would slide farther apart to account for the longer hours while the pieces on the bottom half would slide together. And then in the fall that would reverse The myriad, your clock second phase shows the twenty four traditional seasons in a japanese year which were originally taken from the chinese calendar. This Cowan starts in the early spring and includes the spring and fall Equinox as well as the summer in winter solstice, but it so contains other seasons in between those markers like rainwater, which is between the beginning of spring in the spring Equinox, as well as lesser heat and greater. He which are between the summer solstice and the beginning of autumn. The third phase shares the days of the week and the hours of the day and the fourth

is the date using the chinese sex, the general or sixty year cycle. The fifth display the lunar month and the phases of the moon, and the sixth includes a western style pocket watch, probably french or swiss origin, which shows the hours minutes in seconds according to western time. Keeping this pocket watch so acts as a regulator for the rest of the clock. In addition, to those six faces? The top of the clock, as seen from above also shows a map of the japanese archipelago with a model of the sun and moon on arms, above it showing the position of the sun and the moon in relation to the earth. There are four main springs inside this clock can did to one another with chains to keep them in sync with each other. Each spring is how's that all that small enough to fit in the palm of a person's hand, when fully wound the clock is meant to run for a year went.

I made this clock. He hoped to sell it, but he was so complex and expensive that he could not find a buyer, he turned with it, as he had done with his Characterise Tom Automata earlier in his career. Today, the key is designated as an important cultural property in Japan. We're gonna come back, two it later. When the knocker as the myriad your clock in eighteen. Fifty one Japan was about to go through massive changes that affected virtually every area of life, including time keeping, and we will get to that after a sponsor break. I'll say It'S- has a girl, a man man. You know just taken in that new car smell. What does I can help open my lungs? A bit cooped, I'm feeling cooped up man I gotta get I gotta get out of the house. When are you gonna? Do you not see it as a party not cooped up in it? I guess see you ve up crossover utility vehicle his mouth, so truly

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like thousands of other guys, you find that your normal is in so normal anymore. They could be in addressing medical condition called Prodi's disease more pity a curve with a bump that fathers, you isn't normal and should be checked out by Eurostat JUICE, because you don't have to accept that as your new normal finding. Your oliginal learn about peaty dotcom, backslash, normal between sixteen thirty three in eighteen. Fifty three Japan was relatively, but not completely isolated. From the rest of the world, as we know, it urges in the show, even after Japan, closed its borders and the sixteen thirty's that had continued to trade with the Chinese and the Dutch at the port of knocking and south western Japan people in

around Nagasaki personally witnessed the new and changing technologies that were making their way to and through the port. The saga domain was responsible for Nagasaki, security and defence. Now Massa Novice his who was the domains dime YO established of physics and chemistry, Research Institute in eighteen. Fifty two He invited so Japan's foremost inventors and engineers to the institute, and why of them was Tanaka out. He says she game. Another was Sano Tuna, Tommy, founder of the Japanese Red Cross Society Ban on July eight Team. Fifty three American Commodore Matthew Perry arrived and Edoby now Tokyo Bay to try to force Japan to start trading with the west. Take with the United States. The. U S had been unsuccessfully trying to establish too with Japan for about twenty years. At this point, and this time Perry arrived with four ships from the: U S: Navy, as a show of force

Japan knew it had no way to defend itself from the steamships and their armaments it had seen a similar situation play out in China during the first opium, more just a decade before which pitted forces with steam powered warships against China, these vessels that were powered by sale. China's differ It had been disastrous, so reluctantly Japan began negotiating with the United States after sense of negotiation, the? U dot. S and Japan signed the Treaty of Kanagawa on March 31st, one thousand eight hundred and fifty four. This treaty established a: u DOT S consulate in Japan and Dave American ships, the right to buy supplies like coal and water into japanese ports, it also provided protection for american sailors who were shipwrecked and japanese waters. This treaty have favoured the United States and its interests. The only thing Japan really got out of it was not being attacked by periods warships, the tree

you gonna Garwood, didn't open Japan up to commercial trade with the? U S, that was still a few years off parry had presented the emperor with several gifts, including working models of several technologies that include steam locomotive and the telegraph either rival in Japan, and these models had a huge impact on to work at the Institute earlier, work has mostly been focused on technologies than an individual person might use at home button how he and others started looking at technologies that a whole community might use like a railroad or a telegraph system. He became part of the team. That build Japan's first working model of esteem locomotive at an eighteen, sixty five, he helped build Japan's bursts ship. As we noted earlier Japan, social and economic structure had already been struggling before Perry arrived attempted reforms had often made the situation worse instead of better.

Eighteen sixty eight to clans combine forces to stage a coup de ta which place on January third of that year, they overthrew. The took a guy with a and restored Emperor Meiji who was fourteen at the time to power. Massive changes followed to virtually every aspect of japanese life, the feudal system and the salmon class were abolished, as were the diamonds personal armies, the asian, industrialized very rapidly, even that japanese system of time, keeping that we talked about with the myriad your clock was replaced. The western style twenty four hour day. Quickly. The emperor and his advisers recognise that Japan was under serious threat from western powers and they believe their best chance it retaining their independence was to make the nation of Japan more compatible with the western world this is often described as a process of western innovation and modernization, but soldiers

really give it a slightly different nuance that Japan, as a nation, was trying to find a more western oriented way of being japanese. This mindset affected Tanaka he's the she gazed work as Well, as noted in a peace from the Seiko Museum, he wanted quote to accept advanced western technologies and integrate them with japanese culture in ways you full for society during this time, Tanaka did some work on military technology, and eventually he moved back to his home province of career me to take over a factory, You have inventing things while there, including an artificial ice making machine and eighteen many three when he was seventy three. Years old. The department of Industry appointed to knock it to develop Japan's telegraph system. He moved to Tokyo at the government's request. Do this work two years later on July, Eleventh eighteen, seventy five he founded Tanaka, say though, show or Tanaka Engineering company.

Oh he's a she gave, died in Tokyo and over seventh eighteen, eighty one he had continued to create, invent and refine until the end of his life is adopted. Took over Tanaka Engineering Company, which, after a series of name changes and mergers, became Tokyo She bore a donkey or Toshiba in nineteen thirty, nine today Two knocker he's a she gay is seen as one of the founders of Japan's technology industry. The myriad year clock stopped working sometime after ten August death, then in two thousand, for it was totally disassembled to make a replica for the expo two thousand five, old, fair, the National Museum of Nature and science and Sheba Corporation were both part of this project, which was intended to analyze ETA period innovations and figure out their engineering. One hundred specialists worked with the myriad year clock for an entire year.

Reading the Seiko Watch Corporation, calling one of their retired watchmakers in for help just taking the clock up. And figuring out what all the components did took. Fire months and the team discovered that two of the clocks, original springs had worked and cracked, which was probably what caused it to stop running, putting the clock back to get there was also an enormous undertaking, an entire with the rapid microscopic analysis, of the original showed that every single piece was hand made, including individually filing every tooth of every gear. Some of these handmaid pieces just could not be perfectly replicated today, two Sheba Corporation owns the original Myriad year clock, but it is on permanent display at the National Museum of Nature and science in Tokyo there, like is it that is by Science museum in cows Saki also the October sixteenth, twenty twelve

Google dude all honour to knock a he's. The she goes to utter thirteenth birthday. It depicts characterise figure that uses calligraphy like strokes to make a g to complete the name. Google, those people whose minds I so admire and feel like I'm just a complete dumb down You can't do anything when I think about all the variable to conceive of and process you have listener, may over us I view this is from tee and the subject line of the email is and all cap letters, the green beams, followed by four exclamation points, and he is Dear Holly, Tracy and stuff, you missed staff. Yes, I will the needed on a deep level with tracing experience of home canned green beans. I spent a week with my parents the summer helping pick snapping can

in beans in order to share the bounty, because they are just that amazing. I too find fresh, green beams yucky to my palette. They squeak yeah, my parents still freeze and can a host of fruits and vegetables from their gardens or from low farms. I appreciated learning about the origins of canning. I was surprised to learn. It was so recent and the grand scheme Thank you for all the work you do. You have been listing for several years now and so appreciate the breadth of scope. You, ladies cover too Other recent, when, via especially appreciate it, made me so happy to hear the story of the goat statue and ensuring arson attempts and successes corroborated, I used to work as an occupational therapist with Schoolers- and yes, in this day and age, I had handwriting goals for teenagers. Don't get me started on how a relevant that was. I tried to find things that would interest students rather than having them copy, boring sentences and that vignette got some fun reactions. I especially appreciate the history of the Bureau of Homer

comics episode as well. I'm now working as a homemaker, and I was fascinated to realise that there was an entire organization to help make guidelines and recommendations for the science of homemaking at a question. I didn't submit in time for your question answer so, but I'm still curious to know Where's your personal aha moment when you realized or began to realize that not everyone shares the same privileges yourself. I hereby worded that. Well, I know it's a difficult question at a difficult time, one of you how your Hey. I don't remember which shared in conjunction with the James Baldos episode that you heard his speech about the pledge of allegiance as a child, and that was the start of your aha moment- for me, unfortunately, that aha moment didn't coming till college. When I had a person of color as a gospel, quieter actor, he would share stories about his life and the light bulb started to click that my white middle class life had been very sheltered and very privilege. I'm still learning and growing. As are we all, and I appreciate how you both highlight those people and groups in history that are so often overlooked. Thank you.

All you do is so appreciated. Tia. Thank you TIA. For this note that was Holly who talked about the aha moment, while listening to James Baldwin. Since I grew up in I like now, with West North Carolina in area that had like a sizeable population like a sizeable white popular A sizeable black population and then slight sort of like slightly outside of where we are directly living a sizeable hispanic population like Burma, to talk to me about racism from an early age, so I think, be first com. Station. I remember having specifically about racism. I was an element Preschool, maybe as young as kindergarten. Basically, someone said a joke at school, and I repeated that joke to my mom, and this was like a very child logic.

Joke, but also racist and my mom and, like the most age appropriate way. I can think of explained to me that that joke would be hurtful to some of my friends and it was sort of it was obvious to me from an early age. Look like that. Not everybody had the same advance. Is in terms of an aha moment of the way, one of the ways that racism works and society was actually working on this podcast after the tray on Martin case after his murder, I had put an article on our Facebook page that was by a woman historian, that I thought was relevance and a whole lot of people came to leave implicitly racist comments that they did not comprehend were racist when they said them, and it was the first time that I had seen like.

That level of vitriol about something from people who had previously seemed rational fans over the podcast and I was totally unprepared for how to deal with it. It was like one of the worst days of managing our social media residents and it was not long at all after we started working on the show, and so I think that that was sort of a different kind of aha moment Ben. When a kid yeah I mean I feel like, even though I had that thing that reaction listing the James Ballroom remains a child like it was probably foundational, but it wasn't like. I carried that daily and was like. I need to be thinking about this. I also did a lot of stupid stuff in setting Chris. Hurtful and ignorant things along the way, and I feel it I still have aha moments all the time. Oh- and I was the one that I think about from the show was-

We had Jerry Hancock on talking about Sears, him mentioning that the reason that Seers was so popular from beginning with black customers, because it was one of the first places they could shop. I e through a catalogue and not be discriminated against- and it was just lake Oh, I never thought about it and the fact that I never had to think about that was lake because you never had to you re right. We have those all the time yeah. I definitely still have aha moment and still learn things that I had never considered before and so have moments where something comes out of my mouth and then I kind go Tracy It is about what you to say it's hard and it is life long process it is. And I feel like a jerk. So often, I'm always trying to be better.

And examine things, but even so there are times when I, like, I don't know if I just screwed up or not I remember having a moment's, and thankfully One of our colleagues, who is the black women, is very patient. And she- and I are close- and I had seen a woman that I did not know in the hallway of our office, who had this ebbs she's dark skin, and she had on this very beautiful light. Blue louse, and I just said that color look spectacular on your skin and shoes, No thank you and she was very sweet. But then, as I walked away from her, I was lake- was that just appropriate syllable. I have this conversation with our colleague and with some of my other friends of color. I can otherwise in and kind of got there take on it and thankfully, like it is not their job to educate me, but because they have always very kind, and we have a close enough relationship that I can go. Can I ask you this question? You can tell me no. Luckily, I got

My god check the consensus on that was but I still think about it and, unlike I hope she didn't receive it and that's that's part of privileged as the lake. You can't say things that you may you might mean. Well, that's always the phrase like will they met re all right. You might genuinely, meanwhile, instil hurt someone and I think, that's where people get really caught up and defensive is like, but my intention was gap, but that doesn't or if somebody still gets hurt in the end, that's kind of the lifelong or have the chauffeur me yeah yeah. I will be a lifeline for a ball of time. So thank you so much for this email. If you'd like to write to us about the three either podcast for it, history gasped. I hurt radio dot com and were all over social media missed in history. That is where you ll find our Facebook and Pinterest in Twitter and Instagram and you can subscribe.

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