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there is escalating someone through a busy intersection against the light right and then you get to the other I hold out your hand, said some bread army sucker. All these are bad ideas they really are they really are, but I mean were full of those. Are we yeah? I mean just brimming with them tat? They are log line plus years, a bad ideas or, oh god, you ve been, listening to us this whole time? Are you crazy boy so, You feel pretty good about this one cause. I gotta tell you I am yet I mean if folks, listen to our, I think, dare I say, was a good episode on the very case of Kitty Genovese in New York. There was a good episode in go back and listen to that and that's a pretty good set up, because in that, just to recap very quickly in the midst he's a young woman was was raped. In

old and a very busy area of New York. He was very famous because many many people supposedly heard the attack watch. The attack perhaps didn't, do anything. Made the news and created something that they study still today and not in psychology classes called at the bystander effect, the others that this idea of responsibility, fusion, where, if you have a bunch of people standing around, no one, everybody just assume, somebody else will help and they don't help. Yeah jostled Clark or some help show, leave it up to him and I'm send their like, while obviously chucks gonna help he's a better person, the me and then just stand there and do nothing in the meantime, Jerry CIS, laying their with like Allie rancher in her throat parrot. Nobody knows you can't talk anyway, so she can't call for help it's very hard to tell sometimes Jerry's and in need of assistance or, if she's, just being Jerry right or achieve in exists

However, article says that I stand here effect in this case, in particular, led to the first good samaritan laws and our country yeah. That is not true, khazar two years before that right here in Georgia, are first laws when into effect, yet The way I found there was the earliest was in nineteen, fifty nine five years before Kitty Genovese was murdered and those in California and that protected doc those who were administering aid in emergency situations Happy liberal elite us out there right that the left coast, but the bed weird thing to tie together the bystander effect and good samaritan laws, because they don't actually go together there, not that you, do you want him to fit together, but when you lay him side by side, you like these are. These are two different types of c mon I thought they were husband and wife, but they're not! Oh, I see the correlation. I will to my brain dismount quite make the the connection like

someone had race down to help Kitty Genovese right and render her aid and not bystander than they could. That falls under the good samaritan laws. It does Www falls more under like the duty to act. Laws like you'll get in trouble, if you, if you are just too by sooner, if you don't do something worse good samaritan law basically says if you do do something and you help Kitty Genovese or somebody who's in trouble, and you make their situation worse. You can't be sued, for fair rendering aid, because you are acting in good faith, so kind of there. But it's not quite it doesn't click. I got you, you don't have signed an area Ok, I just really want to get that offer my chest. Well, so yeah you just gonna set it like those. Those laws are in place now as protections generally for

American their date happen all over the world will talk about a few of the laws and here and there, but all fifty states and Washington DC the District of Columbia have some sort of laws on the books that that you can basically be protected potentially, and not held responsible for your actions, if even if they call arm, but right because it state law. If you're not again, I am not sure how works in all countries, but they the laws and from state to state on the same Think in very wildly gap, and certainly in this case is what they call a patchwork of state laws in need of a federal law for sure NEA for you're. So because there are so many different laws in so many different states, you know if the actions that you u perform in one state might get you.

You know it might be your mug on the front page of the paper being celebrated in another state, your mugs on the front page of the paper, because you just get sued, you know so look dive into that, a little more, but first a sort of our that's the name for the laws come from chalk yeah. I remember the story from my church going days as a kid that really stood out to me back then, because well it's in Luke and the story. Is that a jewish man was assaulted and robbed on the road and left her dead basically ends. People passed by without rendering aid jewish priest and alleviate, which has an assistant priest, basically assistant to the priest. Do you have the impasse that the priest and leave I worked together or that, though the priests passed and then at some point later on the leave I passed, you know what this is going back a lotta years. Do what? If

My memory is telling me that they were two separate things. Awesome, okay, I knew that consumers pay out there be wrong My old, I still have some old, memories rattling around in this dusty noggin, saw him like smoke. Madame years. I thought those flower osier one gluten. Free though oh are you now Emily is so, but but fault. I sometimes I'm right sure. Now I know to me you analogous. But finally, as the story goes Samaritan, that is the person from Sumeria who, or bitter enemies of the Jews came by, and what did he do? He said: hey Buddy, you look like you're having a pretty rotten day. Let me help you that's right, and he did. He not only said here We pick you up and get out of this dusty road. I'm gonna take you to it,

in it. Not only am I going to do that, I'm gonna pay for your room at the Inn at home. You to say the bid you day in good health. Adios enemy did imagine this chuck. This good samaritan story that's entirely possible that this actually took place at. This is a real story that happened right I just have a parable sure, may have imagine if you were that guy, that Samaritan, who did this thing, this act of goodwill in two thousand years later. People around the world are still talking about it. How great with happy yeah like between minutes after our show ends no one's gonna talk about it they just like all this talk shows we ve been on the kiss of death than we have but yeah, for sure I mean every. Even if you are like the most atheistic act

ass to human on earth, you ve heard of the story of the good Samaritan is just one of the things it is. Is transcended religion into pop culture had never known there at the time, like you said the Jews in the Samaritans hated each other. In a pair of I looked it up They really really did not like each other when just like over religious stuff, it was over political stuff to and how those things intertwined. Really did not get along. So not only did this guy help somebody a need. He helped in an enemy in need. Yet so I think he does deserve to be to be common. Rated fur eons over that church where the name of the law comes from good Samaritan, laws are when you stop and help somebody, whether it's your enemy or your friend in an emergency situation, typically you are, you should not be penalised if your good intentions cause further harm, right

it seems very much like a no brainer, but it is complicated The more you read into this stuff, the more like man, there's lotta nuance tilted the variations of this. Does these was the other more you read into it. The more you like. I am going to end up second guessing myself, the next time in face of the emergency situation like I have thought about it before, but it's like you could totally get sued for helping somebody out depending on where you are yeah. I'd never come across this, not even close what an emergency situation yet I have. I have yeah yeah it was. I was one of many at an accident I witnessed. The accident was like one of those things where you see it happening you to see it in slow motion, and you just like trying to will stop within already and it doesnt work It was a man who can t borne by another car that he didn't see coming. Dad. I was one of the people on the scene.

Can a helping out. They didn't even occur to me that that that that man could be like these people hurt me. You know in in helping. I didn't touch the guy or anything like that, but I mean other people were and dumb in a week. For help, and all that, so I think we did it about as good as you can, but now thing about this situation was like a well Meda. I need to watch out for my legal exposure here. Or Google something real, quick ride like aware what state of my and let me just check out, what's goin on yet as this like you know, person is bleeding in the street right. Actually, but it is new on certain in after reading the maize examples I buy, you know I get both sides of the coin for sure, so I mean, for example, like there are a couple of things that all of this patchwork of of of the good samaritan laws will have in common basically to as this article states why

is that you can't be compensated for helping out and that's a pretty literal reading of the lie. Think it's meant to exempt emergency workers. Paramedics doctors like they ve got the there full own set of laws governing their actions or inactions right so to keep them from giving preferential treatment? I think it's mostly to say this is meant to a time. This is this is my interpretation of it, but from what I've seen with good samaritan law it's totally in the eye of the beholder, but they, the that's meant to say, like this- covers non medical professionals who were talking about anti to define that they're saying this. Is this cover somebody who isn't compensated for their assistance and has been transmuted into you can't be compensated for your assistance or else it, and that leaves you exposed to legal action later. So when you were sort of getting round beginning though, but if he saved lives they perform.

Like a restaurant and the persons like man, You saved my life, here's a here's, a thin ski dont that five dollar bill now and also throw back in their face and say this is what your life is worth right, a heat say: yeah really love myself, then you introduce until analysed in go about your day, sir, for analysing what is that would the new Yorker in the seventies, you're selling Cary Grant nobody's, has analysed anymore. He's weird, I think that's what Bob Newhart was was he? I think he did consider himself who sit and analyse. That seems like an antiquated terminal Yes, now it's therapist right or shrink, yeah yeah shrink had shrink, or, I think is the preferred term yeah. I've been in a while, oh yeah, that's good.

Go talk to people. You know what I mean like yeah, but I got it all figured out now. Oh well, that's good you're cured is what they call that they cured me. I hope they gave your shrinking award yet, do you know what the cure what is not really think about things too much. Yet I think you had good advice, It's getting his people are real problems, but I never have had the real problems, the idea, but I think they give him You don't have like real problems. You dont have, like you know some sort of chemical imbalance. Your diagnosis condition just about anybody can benefit time to time, to go to lily? Just talk, it's not even necessarily the counselor help he used his being in this situation. You're talking out loud and talking through your problems, to find out what you actually think. It is very high, Yeah I mean I do that it, my doctor in my deniston there like, if you don't want to hear this, go see does analysed the label: none knocking out two birds with one stone. So. I must go

a couple of these I mean, like I said, there'd their different everywhere, but were on their way one other thing charter yoga. So I said that there are two in common with one of them. Is you can't be complex, you're, the other one almost across the board, with any any law you're gonna find is that you can't act recklessly recklessly writer neg negligently while it took to get you would not hold up in court. I will give him. Five dollars is your lawyer, or maybe that's your defence. You, like your honor, I can't even say Redcliff neglect votes. We have. Those are two important factors for these laws, for sure like that's, that's what they all have in common generally right, that's right. But from their like. If you go to Oklahoma, let's say you are only given protection if you are untrained like yours

regular person right you're, not a medic, let's say river doctor and only if you're, giving CPR or trying to stop blood loss right as weirdly specific, I've seen that like that that so that you could say that that was the third thing that they all have in common, like if you're administering CPR or something really basic, that any person would want to do or try to do. You're, probably protected by a good supper in law yet and defibrillators are covered a lot of these laws since those of really gotten. I guess, there's more common, like that. You know that and I looked into buying or those their expensive, though you looked in buying on yeah, just carry how would you know not to carry around but too, I too have here like not in my car. I gotcha so you could you me you could help somebody strainers either over the jumper cable organ their ticket going again,

I've heard is that when you, when you're setting about to be defence related, you have to shout hot stuff right before you engage at other, would be like three or four hundred bucks further, I don't mean thousands of dollars, so really remember how many thousands, but it it was, up to where I just can close the browser and written tat in a golden users. Well, you know, God bless those malls in America view having him every ten feet in keeping his assaults say sure sure their entrance hubs paper that I guess you cynic here's another when in Vermont you can be found and actually, if you are a bystander and don't do anything I kind of this one year. This is, this is what I think the law should be. You get a Belgium unless you're jumping in there yeah- and I mean obviously not putting your own life in jeopardy like this- is not like. If you see somebody getting mugged, you have the right go Brussels, a gun

way from the guy or or jumping into the frozen Potomac River sure, but that, if see someone in need, and you just keep walking by you. Should you should suffer some sort of consequence, for that, you should act, young that I mean this is it. This is a very slippery slope right here, because compelling people that acted, that's a big, it's a big infringement on personal liberty here, but at the same time its candlelight come on yeah, you know if you have to invigorate somebody's humanity with a little bit a law here they are I'm kind of February there, one of my favorite stories can ever see on any news programme is when you see a group of peace coming together to like in saving people is great too, but, like too a goat out of a river or something and there's like the guy with the truck in another guys like I got rope in this lady- comes up Like I'm a goat, whisperer right,

and they all, like you, see like six or eight strangers, come together to to rescue lacking animal year, but they tied the best. They tied the not to tighten accidently pull the golden too and then gets is This goes and then Michigan just forget about it like it so convoluted and weird in Michigan. They protect people. Who declined to offer assistance, but then and they also protect like what is its ski patrol what else there's like three very weirdly specific. If you re block pair which mean right you, your house's designated as a safe place in a safe place, signs that you see and seven eleven and serve no, never notices its. If you're a little kid and you some some stranger danger. Guy in a trench code is following you. You can run into a thing that has a safe place: I've never illnesses and they will protect you and how the cops in Cairo parents in

again. I guess you can volunteer as a person whose houses a safe place, I'm cool and you're you're exempted through good samaritan laws, right, but you show up in there like you're in a house state Van. I can't come in so potential sisters, medical personnel block, paired volunteers and national ski patrol in Michigan. If you're, giving CPR, where, using an emergency defibrillator again, I think that's pretty well, that's like covered almost the board that, like the one area that they just want to make sure that everyone wants. You know what would jump in on yeah. I think so think that's one of the reasons why they make em so prominent in in public. I mean it's not like you have to break glass like a fire hose that you have to know how to get off and turn the thing on like it's meant for the public to go grab in use, not just for emergency personnel, because using a defibrillator and in a timely manner, has such an impact on

on the survival rate from a heart attack that you want peace walking around knowing how do you on and ready to use one in an emergency situation? Argentina, this isn't Ricky yeah you face jail time for either putting a person in jeopardy or abandoning a person to their fate. It's a real fine line. It is for sure, like I think, if you yeah, it is a tricky when I went back to it too and, unlike not that's that's a tricky wouldn't matter, but I like Eddie of abandoning to them to their fate if they need help. Like somebody on a mountain or something like that year into speed. Like sorry, chump walking along, I like that idea that use you have to do something for them are gathered here, say it like the idea to San well, it's kind of in God's hands. Now, let's Michigan Michigan program that right to show we take a break

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well yeah that we're going to run into you, I've arranged it. I just didn't know you, I'm like who's that guy I got in touch with past chuck and I said and you're going to want to meet somebody special you like just wait for that beer. You're gonna, have one day my word, I don't get it a beard and he'll be like At least I got all my teeth that checks out at this hour days. This case is really interesting. Lisa, Turkey and example. Van Horn were make up artists that work together friendly acquaintances as co workers, but I didn't get the picture that there are like best these are anything yeah would guess the lawsuit implies. That really works. So they went out to it as a group of not just those two but a bunch people from work when out for some drinks. In the railway area

one of them, Alexander Van Horn was headed back and crashed her car a pretty bad crash It is like forty five miles an hour into a telephone ball, yeah really be a cheese like the airbags deployed lease authority was a saw. This got out of her car saw smoke, saw liquid and was like. I think this is karma, exploit any need to do something, quick and pulled Alexander Van Horn from the car which seem I get had a hand in in paralyzing her yeah. I mean that one thing you want to really be careful doing is moving. Somebody probably dont want to move at all, but again, LISA Authority thought that that their alexandrovitch Car was about to blow up, so she decided that she is better of trying to get her out of the car in court. Then Horn said that torture yanked from the car. Like a rag doll, give priority said the smoke the smoke in

I mean looking back on. It is probably it was any freeze on a hot hot motor, but even still she acted in good faith, righto, California, good samaritan laws. She said you can't sue me. I was trying to help you in an emergency Duration? Sorry, the good samaritan laws cover this and, by the way, I'm no longer speaking to you personally, it went all the way to the California Supreme Court, where they ruled that she could see her friend and co worker because action at that time, at least for the good Samaritan law was only those administering medical care, not rescue care while the so that losses there. It was emergency care and the court interpreted that to mean medical care. I gotcha, which was like what in the legislature even said No, that's not at all how we meant it interesting. Yet, in fact the amended. The law the next year to say specifically met

go or non medical emergency care, but that vagueness got get LISA Eddie sued yeah and it's hard to find out sometimes final results of legal cases. We ve like had them mom. I feel like a lot over the years. The media they have assured attention span. Well, it's and I think sometimes he sings or just still dragging out. Oh really, you think it's still going on. So, as I found an article from like three years ago, I was just trying to find out what happened. The lawsuit and apparently the woman who pulled the woman being sued Torti two different insurance companies, one of which said Mama getting involved in this, the of which said you know we're going to agree to defend you against the lawsuit it was settled. For four million dollars and then the one insurance company that agreed to help defender ensued. The other insurance company said you gotta, pony up half of this

and the last thing I saw was the district Court judge rule for the defendants, insurance company boards? the one that said, onawandah part of this ok, you don't have to pay and it said in a pellet panel- reverse that decision on Wednesday and thats literally. The last thing I advised while that is still dragging on holy cow, Chuck, Norris, rail or to the Amazon Unannounced, there may be something new or out there, but there are probably tricks it. Legal scholars know that I don't know about researching the stuff. I mean what does that say, chuck that like an insurance company. Can this be like where your insurance company, but we're not we're, not touch in this one? Well was complicated, though, because it was. It was insurance. It wasn't like just ensure- for me walkin around. If I want to help someone, it was car insurance so, It was under whether or not exaggerate considered a use of a car by her,

opening that door and unbuckling her seat belt and pulling her out whether that was using the car, very complicated. Little more sense, though it's just you know how like convoluted, that stuff gets, though it does for sure legally, but their whole, like so the whole legality of this whole thing that were there, the whole lease authority in Alexandria Van Horn case. I mean I heard about that when that was going on everybody heard about that case, because it was like well wait a minute she was trying to help and now she's getting sooty I've wire friends fighting that whole kind of thing. That was two thousand four and then two years later, China, so to rise as a great power of anti good Samaritan ISM. Big it I'm in a lot of different cases in all of it started in two thousand and six in the case of paying you

who was a man who got off of a bus in China, and saw that a an older woman had fallen and broken or hip, and so she had Trying to get on the bus pain you was coming off of the bus and dumb. He went to go help the lady, while the lady later said that he was the one, who caused you to fall in suit him and he's like I'm just an innocent bystander, he was being a good Samaritan helping this lady was, it did court, said note paying you wait. We've decided that you probably did caused the fall. Otherwise, while you have helped the lady had skies and there's bore new wants to it? There is there a couple of things pen. You said he was the first one off the bus in court said. Well, then you probably the the person to bump into the lady and knocked down and also. Why did you give it person, you knocked down, why would you go help so there's a little more to it than just like? No, sponsible in and thirdly, if you're acting heroically. Why didn't you go apprehend

person you knocked down. Why would you go help, sir? a little more to it than just like? Nobody would possibly help someone out the goodness of their heart, so you're guilty, but that's can now. I got played up in the park their media, both in China and in the The world is hoping. You became this cautionary tale like. If you see somebody hurt in the street, don't help them yoke, as they will see. You in people started to do that, and so people in China, it till in a few really big cases sensational cases did just that they stopped helping people who clearly needed help and people were dying. As a result, I mean there were aiming. Theirs is one case it can you talk about? I know, but it was just awful. You know, people not helping. People clearly need became sort of an epidemic in China until

finally change some law in what just last year, I think you're, a national good Samaritan on two thousand seventeen the does offer protection, but he said that one article that like it's out a hand in China now the other way right because is this one Donald Clark allow professor. We specializes in chinese law Edgy W said that, in China, you can see some choking in a restaurant and attempted tracheotomy, with a butter knife with no training and covered and you won't get be sued, which is I think everyone would agree that that's a little too far, yet, no matter what you do, you cannot be held liable for acting as a good samaritan. Even if it's the most reckless and negligent thing you can imagine trying something you're not familiar with that. All you can't be sued, and so is some people. So bold, not only does this,

go one. Eighty four, this new law cover it goes too far, in covering protecting people. It doesn't addressed the problem, which is this culture of distrust. That's been kind of fostered by these. Judges who are ruling in favour of people who are accusing the good Samaritan said them actually causing their injury in creating this chilling effect in helping But I mean people literally elderly people getting hit by cars and being left in the store, as people walk around them and then being hit by another car and killed later on, like half hour later like this was happening. Is going on but I wouldn't go anywhere near these people, because they were afraid that they were going to get sued and and- and it was mostly because judges in the court system were saying They were siding with people with zero evidence whatsoever, just basically on suspicion of someone's good

tensions- ya mean that original case. When they said it's amazing again, penguins, ping. You they had no evidence whatsoever is not like. It was on the close cap television or anything like that. It was just like you said. The judge going seems to me, like it's pretty weird, that you would have helped had you not been the one that actually not dropped to begin with, Exactly so I mean it's good that China has this good samaritan line it's it's. A very and it probably needs to be walked back a little bit, but they also kind of just says: why would you help somebody out if you weren't? What if you weren't the one that caused the accident until they do that, and until they go after this says. Why would you help somebody out if you weren't what if you weren't the one that caused the accident until they do that and until they go after the this group ping she which are basically crooks people who,

like lay down in front of cars and pretend they got hit and then see the people in a frequently found it like in their ruled in favour of their king. Is until there is rooted out, the people are still going to be distrustful of, helping people who are in need yeah in that even the ban horn case I mean, I know, she's trying to help, but like you're not supposed to move people that's a tough one. You know what they say that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions on this kind of like where that that lies. Yeah I mean there. I feel bad for both parties for They say that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I now that's kind of like where that that well! Let me do something that might really hurt my co worker further. She thought the car was gonna blow up me. You know, so, let's get legitimately, trying to help she wasn't like well. Let me something that might really hurt my co worker further. She thought the car was gonna blow up me. You know, so, let's get her out of their rights

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like refined, is as things go on, but there's this thread the sentiment that runs through them. That's like! Ok, we need to make sure that people are don't hesitate in helping their fellow, their fellow human need yeah a lot of these. In labelled as special interest, good samaritan laws, but these these are great, like that. It makes a lot of sense, especially while they all do, but this one about the food donation right, in the mid. Ninety nine is there was a realisation that a lot of food was going to waste, for it billion pounds, specifically a food going to landfills When people in America needed that food and you know you ve heard stories about grocery stores can be held liable. So they decide to throw that stuff away right. So they pass that the bill Emerson, good Samaritan, donation act, which is to provide some protections in case. You

donate food and someone get sick from eating that food right exactly so. I remember back when, when grocery stores did have throw that away before that law is just so wasteful and so just morally wrong. So they pass that one. Ninety six good year for passing laws. I guess and then there's even newer kind of push of good Samaritan, laws that are protecting college kids, drink too much, even though their under age, they might be worried. Oh man, I'm gonna get expelled or kicked out of college area if I call for help, and so apparently that summit were calling for help, and so some universities, I think it's up to thirty two hundred and forty universities in thirty five states now have something called nine one, one lifeline or nine one wing, good samaritan law where, if you call for help for yourself or for somebody else whose head too much to drink- and it's like a medical emergency, you won't get

trouble for having been drinking under age, but its laid the ground work fur up like a law, your law about opium abuse that we really kind of need. That's a good Samaritan laufer that that protects people who are calling for somebody who's overdosing on heroin. Where, under normal circumstances, they might hesitate because thereon Heroin themselves and they don't want to get busted for it. Yeah. What's It's called now its own, and this is basically it so is like an epic pen now and it's something that car- have in their emergency kids and just like it, and something that Seville and can use you know how to medical training, Someone is overdosing on an on heroin or some other kind of opium. Lloyd you to inject this thing. That can say their life and so junkies, when I called the ambulance or the cops or whatever just the same as

great college kid than what I call the cops, so there are often described as medical, amnesty laws and great you know is exactly and is making a difference. There was one study and thousand two at Cornell about the alcohol one- and they said was arise from twenty two percent to fifty two percent of counselling sessions attended by students in two thousand for because students weren't afraid you know I'm nineteen years old, the weather and I need help so that they know it's shown that its working and I think the same as is going on with this now on drug right. Yes, I like that now exists on it kind of has its own protection where their year. Somebody is on heroin or not. If you administer that you could be a medical professional. It's like such a new thing that that they ve Dave's realized. They need a special

good Samaritan law for that to cover anybody whose administering now zone like if they some damage or whatever they are still trying to help, but then also, if your on heroin yourself. Calling nine one one? can have immunity in some states from getting busted for heroin for being on at yourself right. So, like hey, we're gonna. Save you and you're under arrest, right, which I guess this is still in some states is still a possibility, and you don't like you dont want people worrying about whether they're going to get pop themselves same well. I can't really call for you know Dude you over here, which is, Yes, a heroine users name here, you know so there the heroin user, whose overdosing, who would otherwise live, dies because there, the person they shot up with like is too worried about getting buster themselves, because

passing a heroine editor drug attic might do in the throes of that drug is think when we call a cop right. You know what I need a police officer. They might help it. They say like, as far as advice goes for good Samaritans, this article councils, people to think sensibly, must states do have laws to protect people that, if you're doing something reasonable to try and help which all goes back to it in a split. Second, is gonna tough, but That goes back to what you're saying like reasonable, maneuvers help somebody here. Like I mean not necessarily like gum, but dont drug trade alchemy right, right, right, so yeah. So that kind of ties into a second point like don't try things you're, not trained to do and that it just kind of ties into reasonable, like is, is trying to administer sleep.

Reasonable thing if you'd come upon, somebody is not breathing yes, totally reasonable, as it is, it. You know unreasonable to try to get their hard going by by pumping their arms up and down and accidentally dislocated shoulder. It's probably not going to be protected by a good samaritan. Law near Bahamas can get sued for fur, broken color probably a law, especially if the persons like a ping pong player or professional illustrator yeah, he rode mopping, found true here right, exactly you like think on law, we need to do and have an episode on ping. I allocating funds to I'm surprised you never square to off, I am, I am as well Chuck. Well, we ve never been in same rooms, a ping pong. They will ask everyone to those thinking. I was gonna, make a camp joke, but believe me to the truth. You getting out. Oh yes, I do there's one. That came up. If you don't mind talking about it, the Seinfeld thing,

Do you have any talk about it? Do you remember how that I'm gonna? Finally, that the final absurd right right here, which is like the least funny episode assign felt ever, but it has weird message: win win the gang gets gets put in jail for watching a guy. I think it was Jonathan Pinnate get carjacked. By somebody with a gun into sitting there, making fun of a mother videotaping right near and that kind of raise the site this is. The ties into good Samaritan lost a lot of people are like. Can you actually is there any place in the country where you can get in trouble for that kind of thing, and it turns out no that kind of thing into that duty to act law. You are in some places like four mind or I think in California. Under some circumstances, you are required to what a crime but you're not required to actually intervene net is like Canada. Big point I made earlier at the beginning of the episode: that's a big distinction right

and not only are you, you know now required interviewing. You not even required to report the crime during the commission other caught the crime for most duty to act, laws, you just can't walk away and pretend you never saw anything. That's the re! That's where you get prosecuted, so the same fell. Probably would not have gone to jail of this article. That I read quotes a guy who's in it, Turning in San Diego named somebody lists, I wish I could remember the guy's name, Franz Liszt, no, not Franz Liszt, who is a great great composer. But a l, I s less. Yes, it was Peter List A criminal lawyer from San Diego ended up in this article. He basically says Only should they not have gone to jail. They provided

very valuable evidenced by recording the entire crime, so let em off the hook has ever been a tougher show to end than Seinfeld no you're, probably not, but they really choses, two very specific unsatisfying way to do it. About em sopranos everybody hated out at in it. Yeah, I didn't know our above. The sopranos but then moved to L, a during its run and didn't have tv. So I quit watch but I do remember other hoopla, but Seinfeld Sis, one of those I mean that the less absurd stunk, but it's just a whore, should end because you can't it was them. On some sentimental show, probably TB, history and most shows ever finale that is highly sentimental right, you just you couldn't do that on Seinfeld. It would not have been true to the show. So.

I don't know what I would have done as they often it is a tough one. Maybe it's a perfect ending in his present episode. You could make the case for sure you know I'd like to hear. Maybe if someone had a better idea, ok right, rewrite the Seinfeld finale, in a hundred and sixty characters are left to us or to forty. Now. What is there anyway, I think that's the end of this episode. We cannot let this Peter out to her yet If you want to learn more about good Samaritan, laws is actually a tip. Go: learn your state and or countries good Samaritan Lazo. You know what to do in your ever faced with an emergency situation and since I said that it's time for listener mail, this one's great who's, gonna go Grady Male guys in the Spirit of Thanksgiving in this glass of wine, I'm drinking a one to reach out until you thankful, I lamb for you.

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