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no, you repelled were you ever in amounting to repel mine, was one must climb now I've never actually right climbed, but again plenty hiking in the mountains. I gotcha, but not rock, face climbing and with their snow in any of these mountains, where you're so high that there's a perennial snow, oh yeah, sure really, where the Colorado Suffolk, that Well, it's pretty impressive, shocking. I know why did I see you like where you will shorten hiking, brutally thick socks, kind of pushed down your arms, a farcical yeah and just kind of hiking along what most people would call like a hill

something like that. Certainly not liquidators like Cancer Mountain kind of yeah, which is, I can't see anything because its way out of my leg, Canada, mountainous, let alone the Rockies nudge. I mean trust me do the night. You won't think I'm a sharper like scaling the the Mount Everest or anything like that yeah. I think at this point I can tell you I've left untoward behind in sherpas. Now my favorite word right now. I love that word. It rules out the tongue sharper Dracula guys yeah agreed. Ok, so you have done some mountain climbing suit. So you can speak to what we're going to die. Bout with reasonable authority. Yes, I can refer to you when I get confused, inevitably so Chuck ever read into thin air, I'm not, but I did read into the wild, which is starting to crack hours at his name. Yet John Cracker, he is journalists for outside magazine, and he knows

how do I take in outdoor rant and turn it into a good book into the wiles great example, Christmas candlish? Who actually work? the school down the road of Emory might and decided that Can I go to Alaska and basically just didn't quite do right. Yeah died after three months of exposure. The elements, I think there's some varying theories on my diet, but we want this now. This is about ok, we're not worth a thin air into thin. Air is much much more pertinent to this topic threatening. Okay, so that's actually about a year in position on Mt Everest in that took place in May ninety. Ninety six, he was actually on this one right. Yes, he was, which is one of the reasons the book is so incredibly and

was a complete cluster of a bit of an expedition. Eight people died accounting for more than half the debts on ever set. Your real is one expedition, while there is a robe storm that whipped up and he killed some people and others were lost in them. They die, but in other people, after them to try to rescue me than they died, and it was more like add, let's get out of here. Whenever we can, you basically have to write everybody off right in like us, it is very, very good book, but one of the things that I took from it is that never one Mt Everest is a total. There is more as mountains go completely and hospitable for humans.

We talk about the you. Wanna talk a little bit about Everest yeah. I guess we should get it scandalous that either way, I assume everyone knows- is the tallest peak in the world, yet they call the reform of the world. They landed reason quick aside. There is a discovery, micro site on Everest and it has a three hundred sixty degree panoramic you? You shall member that, like my first week here, it's amazing it was unbelievable and I said to myself that is awesome and this Josh dude has gone on. That's all it takes that I've collected all my friends the magic starts here. Cinema Everest photo yeah but, as is paid out a little bit at a time start with the ever spoke you're sitting up at night. You actually feel like you're there when you look at this panoramic picture and so much so that I don't feel like happy to climate monsieur the wind whipping. Yes, so were ok, so give me some more steadily at, speaking, world share it with its work. What's the uptake of hotels, it twenty thousand thirty five feet, which is a fact

in eight hundred and fifty meters for our friends who don't live in the? U S, Liberia, Burma, cracked, right, happy! Well done little shallow! shouted sort listener. Mailers right in and the mountain itself shares a border with Nepal in Tibet, but the actual peak is in Nepal, so not involved, and as far as I know, why did you say this transfer me of my game? The I don't worry about it check. No one can through you. After do not even me, judge messes with me, sometimes people that it usually is cut out, assuming this will make it and such like. I have a question for you shoot. Where is the worst season to go on Everest, well, really anything outside of May and June. Neither June That's when you want to climb Everest. Now is the time you want to go. Yes, our ok gotcha suggestion average day. If you went up whether An average today and in May of two thousand eight, was

minus seventeen degrees Fahrenheit, which is minus twenty seven degrees. So true and winds of fifty one miles an hour. Anyone kilometers right. So that's the most hospitable time of the year, barring no like freak storms and unusual activity. Yes, other times a year the jet stream passes directly by the summit, which is and made a June. The jets dream does not do that, which is why that time ago, and you get winds up to like a hundred twenty miles an hour heard a hundred eighteen miles, an hour which would be a hundred and eighty nine kilometers in our and minus a hundred degrees Fahrenheit, which is minus, seventy three degrees celsius you cannot imagine, have you ever been up and then tall Tal building, yet in the winter time, no outside ok, I hardly likely chuck. There's no mountain climbing, certainly Colorado, hiking no tall bill

in the winter time right, but you ve been to Malta and at a few years ago, Emily Hour at the top of the empire state building around Christmas time. Nice. Indeed, that's the empire state Building and I thought I was gonna- die the wind in the cold really and that's the empire state building. So imagine Mt Everest at twenty nine thousand feet. Were you properly outfitted on the roof of the empire. Immediately hearing my head or use enables the base camp by then yeah for the sake of those like what are you doing here, a case of soap chuck think we got it down, Mt Everest is not the place to be, especially with your empire state allegory. That's pretty good thanks, okay, so on and we have also established that people die, ran Everest. How many was there a hundred and eighty nine summer. That's that does the current count and, as you said, the two thousand people have died.

We have successfully submitted every right that was as of a few years ago that the count the BBC told me thirteen hundred so somewhere between their for every standards and others that when it comes to stuff like this unequal in opposite that, like some gamma snuck up avarice and not officially law, that with the BBC in a while, but the problem is that, if you die on Everest, apparently use stay on Everest, pretty much yeah witches were your articles about it. Yet, It's a suicide mission to try and bring a body down from the death zone, and the death zone is about twenty six thousand feet. That's the final area above the final base camp, where you go to reach the summit and that's where most people die not everybody whose die than ever the still air, but a significant portion, is like the one eighty nine there's one twenty, and also probably say before you sharply.

Pencils and email us we're working off of white light. Two thousand forced answer here: yeah, so At least several people have died since then, I think I know at least one guy died in two thousand six on ever threat. The thing is: is it you can't even bring your oxygen? minister, down anonymously attracts a dead person and an oxygen cancer, not the same thing, but it can preserve respect rag you are going up there in getting back down and you're lucky. Do with your life? Basically, exactly and from what I've read and been described to me to try and bring a body down. Is its. Side mission for everyone involved? So it's like you can't save this person because you put your entire crew at risk, so you just have to march on right now That's kind of the predominant view of people who who climb Everest but

seems like it's starting to change like technologies, advancing enough in people's gear in an oxygen equipment. It's getting good enough of it that sentiment is almost being outlived. It's already been out. Obviously sermon. Hilary is the guy who submitted efforts for the first time with our debates about that you did. They think that an orgy B will Georgie Mallory actually is another climber in theirs there, some speculation as to who actually got there. First, the article there's a picture of his. I know, petrified frozen headless body is a cool picture, yet his hedges pretty much withered away. The weird thing is is like: if, The weird thing is is like. If you look at his left hand, it's totally intact right, like it's like. He is lying there. If you just look at his arm after the word they find him. I mean they find him at the summit. I think he made some inserted a climb down and I'd, maybe exactly. I think, that's

speculation they did not find. They found a beneath the summit and there's speculation as to whether He said whether he made it all the way down and out on my back or whether never made it all the way up Dutchmen. He would have been before Hilary so that its pretty big deal. Yet he was in the twenties, re literally for any looks like he was running around like a burlap sack, because that could come weathered some over the gauchos well, either way the first person to be to document their place at the torture of Mt Everest, Serbian Hilary, an inner, but he did it with the nepalese ship attending nor gay rights whose past me yeah he's got sharp. Alright, air and then Tenzin never gay. I love that guy's name, that's that's your fake name! When he chicken hotels, isn't it did Signoria? Why did you do I tell you things in confidence. Thank you check now to change my name things up a point, though, that he's is obviously them Well known sharper ever have you,

any other sharper I have, but I never retain their names like tending nor well. They get a raw deal is my point, like you always the guy. You know the white dude in the transport nor face gear right sure. On top of everything- and you don't seem like others, I too should be able to rely on the outside the framework as their third trip up, that we're gonna like Big Deal Jefferson, episode. Citizens were homer climbs Mount Springfield yes, and the ship was like well don't worry down in dragging a map while he sleeps at night. I imagine that that's probably Anita, thankless job is what I'm saying I think of the world. They need for the union or something so we get on Hilary. While you said that he was the first man. Ok,

well learn did not perish. I know I know what I was going to say. He lived until two thousand eight, so he lived to see a lot of people the hollow in his footsteps and die and arm in two thousand six. This guy named John Sharp. I believe he died on the mountain I think of exposure, maybe men, probably as many as forty climbers past right past him yeah we're not really alive and didn't seem like pass. Him noted he was dead or dying dying and just kept going, has that that mentality is still around like hey it's dangerous right. The thing that is so Hilary came out and publicly criticised the people who didn't even do anything really make an attempt and everything that really drove that criticism. Home was the following year. A nepalese woman was successfully

skewed by an american climber very experienced american climate, but she was in virtually the same spot under very the same conditions and he got her out, but forty people walk past this guy, just under the assumption that I can imagine- is driven your head like if you die or you're dying, we're going to leave you here right, but I don't think that's necessarily anything than a surly has to be the case anymore, most as that, the that American Guide prove by saving the nepalese woman right- and this is this me- speculating Here-

I bet a certain amount of this too. In addition to having that drove in your head. Is it's so much effort and a lot of money to go and when these expeditions in not leaving some people climate more than once, but a lot of people? This is their there one shot and they hear this and they might see someone dying and now they think you know, I can't ruin my opportunity to climb Eversleigh potentially die right in the process to rescue the stranger soviets, pretty sad and others. Let a controversy while there is. There is definitely one guy who has probably receive the most public ire of anybody whose let some Diane ever since there was even worse and he actually figures as basically the villain in the thin air. He was really he was on the mountain wing. Crack hours. Expedition went past

and so crack error was. You know that the these expeditious were very close together and oftentime like coming into the same place at the same time, and they try to stagger it can allay Gulf except much much deadlier where so, everybody's not having the same points. At the same time as the sharp echo his odd our necks right there, well would all a pair he was not down with waiting for anybody. I think his famous quoting the book is we'll make it to the top any time we damn well, please, or something interest, he saw is unwilling to coordinate with other expeditions he wouldn't allow another expedition. I think crackers expedition. He uses radio call for help for whatever reason I dont remember. I read the book like a decade ago meant, but he cracker deftly didn't like this guy and basically if he doesn't say in so many words, he insinuates that these people, on the mountain, because of this man's action or inaction right, sir,

and there is actually one another climb that would all went on where he yeah he was with a dying woman. He and his partner, Cathy or doubt his his wife. Actually, I think, they're their claim partners as well we're going on their initial assent right and I came upon a woman in what is her name. Her name is Francis R R, since he is ok, yeah and she was laying their dying. Yes answered over and hung out with there for an hour and tried to see what they can do and what happened well, they left her behind you and she said. Apparently the last word she said were: don't leave me behind and were forcibly were behind, and I didn't know that part about the into thin air that he figured into that both. Yet apparently he went back in two thousand seven to bury her body up there. He then, with a couple of others. She has even racked with guilt, apparently yeah she had gum

it is a year in article in the daily mail about him doing that, and it was right before he was actually on the mountain. They were interviewing of the satellite phone and apparently Fran everybody. Call their head become kind of this sum. Ghoulish landmark like. I think I can no doubt put it like you. The friend and turn last year because she was right there on the trail of n n. You know apparently like in like a kind of a really horrible for frozen state and also her husband was on the climb with her and he died. They assume found him again going to get help. So yes, a horrible. They both left their son behind. I believe, but yes, So what I wanted to go barrier and

ultimately ended up, like lowering that alone, you're down, dropping her down the north face instead, a really yeah but yeah. There he's not a very well like person among a lot of climbing circles, and I get the impression on others. Certainly a lot of controversy around that. I know that others also been efforts. It's a big trashed up to which is what's really sad because, like you said, people will just dump their gear to make it easier to weigh down, and I gotta get staff free here. We're talkin a hundred and twenty tonnes of trash each year are left behind a man at risk. By climbers we each year a thought there was total each year says: ABC News, holy cow and climbing teams in China. The lead expeditions now to go up and clean some stuff. And they're trying to get some these bodies down that are within. You know, safe reach. If you think about this

didn't twenty bodies on Everest, the ones that are up and would you call the death Zonia they're they're, pretty preserve, like you, can see in that picture of George Mallory yeah, so their close to trail, generally so that I mean imagine, then imagine climbing Everest knowing your own mortality is at risk of having like these reminders along away. I thought that way the impact stay pulled him did. You were there dead bodies on the empire state building up the stairs. You know every couple later this an elevator, so they got a really. Nothing complain about business tears in the empire state building, violation of closer. There are stairs, but you don't climb them to get to the idea that observation that I gotcha tyrconnel. That's why you're still, do in the Rockies buddy yeah, two new year and you want to keep growing your team, but you need the right tools to help. Keep your

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hundred twenty dead bodies, but hopefully less as they retreated them if they can retrieve them the an. Hopefully. The time goes on, because I know that every year that goes by fewer and fewer people are dying because it climbing technology satellite funds and pass maybe a change in mentality about what have Do you ever get injured or you get exhausted in some new bang up by generation of service as well. Yes, there are no tending nor days, then he's he's the one day at last, the breed. Well, again, thank you for listening to that are their dead bodies amount ever seeking read more about its edge article, which means it's the martyr quality in type in dead bodies, Mt Everest and it's gonna- come up in our hands search bar and has therefore set

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