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action of my hat radios have stuff works. Are you will do the bar guest on Josh clerk? There's Charles the Beach O Brien Jerry over there, and this is selfish, nope Podcast put elsewhere tv show for a long time. I like that, ok, let's get clear. If I'm not mistaken, who did I say, melted many years ago? Was it the Maya No Neanderthal, that's right or thoughts. If you don't wanna, be a douche curry favour, I don't know here. You didn't even here she will in there in the air. I bet you more yeah. It was the neanderthals, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it again. Maybe it's the Maya, melted sure due to climate change, maybe but

so you're talking about right, the gazelles melted, Kizil climate change that try to which I thought was hilarious, but a sucker the Maya civilization oh yeah yeah. I meant to tell you what boots kind of move stuff around here. That's great! Do you want to sure? Do I mean? What do you mean Us Turbot, Charles limp? first, I look, I think, he's a better intro than just kind of randomly in the middle ferret. Those are you sure, means we can start on the way back. Machine, ok, get which we ve been in any way, but will be closer, will save some gas is way closer. That's right! we'll make two February nineteen, twenty nine, yes February. Nineteen, twenty nine when Chuck Limburg was flying for PAN am and he was flying over what has now Belize and if you can believe that suicide

but what he would do back then- and this is after in of course, is the big flight, the big one he would get hired to do the work. These little blue oratory routes for airlines than this case Panam. He made an excuse. Will your pain and have no idea. I don't. I wasn't in his contract business enough, but he would fly these routes to sort of blaze trails for like for flying roots into hey. This is a pretty legit flying rout near for delivering staffer or even passenger routes, and maybe the two year to your docket, not to use doing this. And he was flying over this episode on air out now. It's not ok. Because he was flying over Mexico and Central America will believe. Like you said, Durham and in there was just very dense jungle. Airy, looked Until he went over this one part where was described

by Charles Lindbergh. For some reason, the by an Associated press writer apparently got into the head of Charles and burglary. Instead, it look two emerald eyes staring up out of the jungle brush the tangle of the jungle brush, so he went back to the lower to investigate and what he found was What the the emerald eyes were actually twin, reflecting pools in a massive stone Temple s leg, reflecting the sign into his face, and he was like Sosius Temple pilots. I guess so my gosh is that off the cuff yeah it was, it was pretty good. Okay, that was great. Actually, any realise that he was looking at the ruins of a lost city, three, a man save stone lost city. Actually I don't think he realized that broadly, but we now know that

we see, saw that it was covered in jungle in over growth. They hurried Ange uncle yeah and he so for the legend goes Chuck that that Charles Limburg discovered the law the mayan civilization right, which is not true, wealth. Ok, it's nuanced! Yes, that particular article is power We totally made at year end, but even if we did find that part, he didn't, he didn't discover and, that's probably not even said, Edith, not discovered the lost, Maya civilization right. He he found a part of it right. It is its apocryphal as soon as possible because by that time, people were aware that the Mai had existed, but they can't have been seen as legend for very long time, starting in from what I can tell the nineteen twenties they started finding these massive huge cities, just like Limburg, supposedly

found right and later on. Limber did actually fly over some of these lost cities photograph arm, and he into aerial archaeology. But the point is this: there are still are there definitely were more lost cities that we're just enormous with huge temple, some of them Europe needs that were among the tall pyramids in the world. Yet completely were grown by the jungle does overtaken abandoned cities and they start looking around in this finding more these cities and more and more all over the Yucatan and Northern wisely, of Guatemala in to Honduras, Belize and El Salvador, a big chunk of Central America that there's these, lost cities that were found. They all seem to share something in common, so much They now realised that they were peopled by the same cultural group. The Maya, that's right

suck about the Maya? Let's go back even further: let's go back between twenty six hundred in twelve hundred or twenty scholar, B, c and twelve hundred eighty, or what we now call c e t- or I think people now just say like years ago- do they do they really are yeah they're like give religion out of entirely to save a long time ago. Here this this many years ago, so many many years ago Maya civilization occupied this big area that we are talking about and there's a period of time known as the classic Classic Maya they call it the classic period between DUMBO on their way through the door between two fifty nine hundred. Where I mean you talk flourishing as a culture like it was it hadn't been seen since

the Roman empire, basically yeah these cities sixty or more sixty seventy thousand people. They had sports arenas, they had pyramids, they had these advance farming practices. They made Islanders they understood math and were really really advanced and I believe, even at the time. So cities outnumbered the amount of people that were in places like London and Paris and that same time, yes, yes, like something like I say, eight hundred see travel everyone and impairs. You find far fewer people like a double or triple the amount MIA in this, my culture. The way that I saw put was in these in the in the area of like come the UK in Guatemala that the southern lowlands, I think, is what they call it. Where, like most of the great my in cities, were the population density is about what

it is today in LOS Angeles county. Well, imagine that, and now it's just overrun jungle rain forests mostly, but it used to be his dances, L, a county like people. This will everywhere the students yeah super dense? So here's the thing about my empires: they were never one big group They were never unified politically, there are just a bunch of warring city states, but really thriving, and they also like political alliances between city state that same city state could be like total war. Fifty writer in area is shifting constantly that's right, but that the thing we really need to hammer home, so they were doing great for themselves right. Really thriving as a culture and as a people and then about and fifty year period between hundred and nine fifty they'd disappeared, yeah, for all intents and purposes, the classic. My culture just vanished into the jungle, and that is not to say that

The writer in Algeria is shifting constantly that's right, but the thing we really need to hammer home is that they were doing great about that my a culture and that those does big cities of seventy thousand people just went away yeah. It's be kind of like a good analogy, is if over You know the next thirty years. Yet I fear the United States into the jungle, and that is not to say that the people all died. They assimilated into other cold, is abandoned. Our cities and went in farmed and, like we didn't farm with Eddie, it is of. Seventy thousand people just went away. Yet it is be kind of like a good analogy is if, over you know, the next thirty years. Farming lifestyle that were basically be the closest analogy can come up with you. Gonna happen really fast super fast and

as a result that mine culture, like you said, was sort of looked at as a legend before you know it. Where did finding these places again? Yeah because be no law. Goals can a new about. They really go. If you go into the jungle, you're going to find a lost city explores like Europe, you we are crazy, that's not real yeah, then they started actually find these law cities and, what's really pricing to make. Is there still finding lost cities every year, though some new study coming out now that says we use leader, I think it's light leader YAP leader the new about they like, oh, if you go into the jungle, you're gonna find a lost city explores like your view. We are crazy. That's nice! the jungle took a jungle x, Ray kind of yet is actually used perfect and theirs

and find even more law cities in there also finding that the law cities that we know about there's one called L mere door that hasn't been kind of excavated yet, but it's the the pyramid is so tall those seeking up out of the jungle canopy, while so they the law city there, but using lead. Are they ve? Seen like? Oh, it's way more extensive than we thought before. A mere d. Probably had a hundred thousand people living in the city centre is at its peak right. So, let's get set up, we're gonna, take a break in Just the merits of jungle x ray is a bad name and be back run it excavated yet, but it's the the pyramid is so tall, those seeking up out of the jungle canopy. While so they know, there's a lost city there, but using are you a millennium? Well, then, there's a chance that you are under invested. Luckily, there is such a thing is so Fi Invest, which makes it super easy for anybody to start investing

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it's not bad, What can a ban? Would it be specially Joe, sounds like a party band rate. Does it's got a lot of font going in Oslo and functioning seventies? Sure, but not, but like a seventy throwback like didn't exist in the seventies? Oh yes, like the like a yard or sisters o who's that, rather than a ban jerry, says your sisters. It was like a funky throwback. Seventy thanked. Look, I gotta. Listen! they were around four minute- I think they're not around anymore, ah well, but they didn't leave like any kind of under my liver documentation, other music

as you will remember the being like a party banned on enough, but I mean do they have a record out or where a man they had record Zuni, go check mouth and get dismayed this up. Aright the Maya disappeared. Why jerry. No, is she hip all of a sudden say what she doesn't know. So Limburg comes around referred to previous story. We are to talk about Limburg. Anna ok refer to previous story: said that, and he he puts this back map again, and everyone is excited about discovering about who these people were right, but the whole thing like from the outset there like what have these people church and the more we learned about- and this is the other thing like that- regions of this sudden civilization just vanishing. Here more. We studied the more realised that sexually kind accurate, the legendary

True there is this amazing culture that just vanished into the forest and dumb and one of the big things one of the big breakthrough, who's in studying my culture was cracking their written alphabet. Yes, they used hieroglyphs and there is it really really good documentary called cracking the Maya code on I think it is a noble episode to do- did is good its thrilling Basically, them just sitting around some house one summer trying to figure this out, but they're like going back and forth into the some like. I think, I'm some like twenty year old woman figured it out well yeah and they ve. Now we understand a lot more, but what were finding is like. Oh no, this is this really happy

something really weird happen here. Restore quite sure what caused it does a very odd description of how they figure that out what was sitting around a house? That's what they do. I think the head, like a workshop, for something that we have worked really going to try to figure this out. We're gonna try to crack this code and actually did really had some house where he gets it in Well, that's what they were doing you as a house someone's house. I think I love it, so not knowing me that it was definitely not a house by any stretch and I'll have to do a correct. They like Josh, is your House Harvard University? So there are some areas that have been developed over the years that all kind of makes sense and some of them that their this necessarily a binary thing there, some of them could have all contributed to the collapse of the Maya Right, for farming is one which makes a lot of sense and that's the idea that sickly. They were so successful. They had tons turns a water, and so they said well. Let's just make two

in terms of babies, which all of a sudden- Farmers are likely, jeez were really growing, hey Buddy, the like I don't know and grow does much corn to sell us clear. Some forest land grow grow grow which means are not practising safe and sound farming practices. All of a sudden right, they weren't practising safe, sexually, were practising, say, farming, that's right because of this over farming they weren't allowed to, or they didn't have the opportunity to let their fields lie fallow cuz everything was in production, which is really no faster way to overstretch your agricultural resources than that. It's right. We're here to tell you well warfare. We know they were a warring people for sure, so the Maya rulers were they did a lot of disservice to their own people by a kind of overrun eating their resources and how tough they were what kind of warriors they were and how

for they were, they could make it rain. They can control the weather and thus control the crops This may backfired on them, as the theory goes that day ward, so much that they set their own resources and eventually people retaliated and they were not able to fight That's right- and I think the guy who led the workshop add that deeds house, where they cracked, I cannot remember his name. Where he's a eminent Maya, scholar He is of the campers like it was warfare. That's that's what it was plain and simple: they just fought too much and they eventually that they reach some tips, point from war and there's real evidence about some of these cultures at least four. Seventy cities going down because of warfare? Yeah, I mean like they. They engaged in total war or they would like target severely they would burn your whole city down. They like it wasn't like they were very warlike group, which is funny because for

for a long time. They were portrayed as one of the few mezzo american groups that didn't practice. Human sacrifice them well. Who cracked my cobra like. No, actually the newer prolific at that wow yeah. It was bad news. The other is disease, and this is not human disease necessarily, but but like a virus from their food supply. It's another ecological disaster. That's right, I think maize mosaic virus was named in nineteen. Seventy nine article so like there's a lot of a lot of good theories out there and they d aren't necessary nine zero. Some kind of thing figure it out, but there is over the years lately, unlifelike decorator too, maybe I'm really sorry to see. You know. I think we should look a little closer at the role climate change. My play in this kind of stuff and when they look specifically at the Maya they said

Actually, it looks a lot like climate change played a big role in in the decline of the classic Maya Civilization, that's right and because I'm I didn't burn fossil fuels to run cars Does it mean that the earth was an affected by climate change and that they weren't affected by climate change yeah? They think they're, probably climate change happened on its own, but they ve also pinpointed some ways that the Maya may have exacerbated it. To give people can impact that some fruit loops say, sir so they have done some studies. They studied mineral deposits in caves left by dripping water, and they have been able you put together a two thousand year, history of weather patterns based on Spiel, your thumbs alone. That's right. And what they found out, and this was published an article on science and two thousand twelve times magazine. The journal sign the journal science

It's not like science weekly are really the Ohio State University, but they did find out was for the first few hundred years, and this really Linz Alot of credence to the theme They may have over farmed and stuff like that. Is they really had a lot of brain and they flourish as a result of that yeah? he carefully blown it's it's them saying: ok, well, let's thrive, and we can, through in these conditions is not like they re like ok, it's this is a wet period. Let's take advantage of it and really overstretched are our ourselves. They just kind of went with it in their population grew because it can be supported, because there is such a large amount of rain. Their crops grew a reservoirs were full and there's a few hundred years right over there. A few hundred years, but from looking at the cave deposits, they found that there was a very wet record that corresponds with classical Maya period, where record

as a citizen of systems, I don't know You have always a jungle x, Ray Albert Angle, X, Ray Wet record, so around a hip. That's up during those like disgusted with us. At this point around six sixty eight d, this all changed the rain. What funny for I deserve a good analogy, so jungle x ray their album. Wet record is too seventies, funk soul throw backs what the do Agnes permission to land the eighties hair metal, throw back. That's, not an essay de question. I think I think we just yet just the regret. The goat yeah we queuing Crag Bear jungle icebreaker. Did he see where motley crew Inflation has again after LISA so they saw their fair two earlier that they even signed a contract say make it legally never performing together and their going honesty

The, inter with poisoning deaf leopard Mossy they're. Here so remember we got invited to that show by Nita Strauss, that's right who is like huge yeah guitar player at the time, maybe still for Alice Cooper's but yeah. I think she does that. Still, I think, But she's, like a guitar legend nights around GM she's, great Oki citizens is probably not but around six sixty the weather changed, the reins did not come like they used to and they had the longest dry bell of the last two thousand years ago, He's gonna have a real impact when everything is flourishing in your display in planting all of a sudden you're a your thirsty, that's a big one and be you're, not you're, Hungary, that thirst it's funny kiss like we're talking about rain forests, but this area, northern Guatemala, where the Maya will live just called the pattern for the potential

HE d in and it is kind of like feast. Her and depending on the the rain cycle yeah. So when its dry, it's like, you're you're in trouble, because the closest groundwater is about five hundred feet below the surface, our It's not gonna rain for very long time. So, if you haven't prepared by building reservoirs, you might die of thirst while so a dry in the patent which is nor try. Some parts of the year would be a real problem. It is if you're talking about a drought that lasts over years or possibly decades, Now you have a civilization collapsing problem. The tried that big problem in and of itself you ve got a big population, they grew in, it was wet. Suddenly it's not wet and you still have the big pop, relation there's a lot of internal problems that can that can develop, especially between classes too sure the haves and the have nots.

Just sit back then, but also the rulers who were like you, no more human sacrifices. We need to keep this right is thing going to get the rain to come back well and that the common folks, like she's gonna, know about this You know I had reigned in a while. It was my cut before we know it is asking for my brother exactly so that create a lot of tension. Anything that could have spared this whole thing up was the fact that they were thriving so much that they eggs ending their territory and they are cutting down in DE forcing the land around them right for fuel? And build things and they have found and they found pollen they studied pollen. These ancient layers and lake sediment and Central America and around eight hundred eighty, that Poland went from free Balin to weed pollen pretty quickly yeah. That's it bout the win. The Maya reach their fluorescence when they really reach their pinnacles about eight hundred. So what that suggests is they cut

the forests and they were using that what used to be forest for cropland, because a practice slash and char right with you turn it down to introduce carbon nutrients into the ground. The problem is that if there is no fun whatsoever. You ve just altered. Your echoes system, and by doing that, you can actually alter the local climate which they think they may have yet not only that, but it's gonna have just as the physical, effective erosion like a massive erosion right, because this tree rates are gone and that's gonna screw up. Your farmland is well right, so you top soils on your trees are no longer keeping. Things is cool, as they were before that right. There was a NASA model that predicted that the the temperature in the area rose by about six degrees Fahrenheit, which is a lot I mean that's noticeable for humans, but if you took him up plants in soil that's. They can really exacerbated drought. When you ve already got a bad drought in the north. The dry area. That's not good, says a client,

climber record is showing ok, it's. It was Eddie bad, but they probably made things worse with the deforestation yet and that that all that stuff combined and then maybe throwing a little dash of the previous theories could very well explain why they said you know we're getting out of here and we're gonna go live a smaller life, a more sustainable, smaller life. It's not in a big city right, yeah, think also that in over the other things dashed in thy gum, warfare, you're like a few in a town in you know the next terror the next city state over has big reservoirs in your people are dying of thirst. Invading that other city might seem like a pretty good idea right and if that happens enough times, and you have a lot of work going on everywhere and that can really make your civilization decline, pretty bad too. To take another break, sure right will taken break and talk about how this climate change could have affected some other civilizations throughout

street, hey everybody, its it's Josh and shock and were here, is our pal Alexa who sponsor stuff. You should know in check or time out all this stuff about climate change in the mines It's pretty eye opening stuff. Yet I could not agree more, my friend, but let's see the consumer where we're at with a little help from our friend Alexa Alexa. What did the Mayans eat the force? staple foods in mind cuisine were squash beans, maize and chile peppers, and they were often combined with meat or see food squash, beans and maize are often referred to as the three sisters, because they provide all the Knesset Harry Nutrients when Eden together was the matter with the eight truck Alexa,

How did the Mayans farm the minor noon for the controversial farming technique? Noah slash and burn? Ah, I see ok, so slash and burn farming uses a lot of natural resources and stirring to follow yours and Alexis Line of reasoning here exactly and about this Alexa. What happened ultimately? the Mine empire, the cause of them ion empires, collapses and known, though researchers have identified several potential causes, including warfare with neighbouring city states, exhaustion of natural resources and environmental change. So as the mind civilization grew, they needed more farmland, which meant more slashing and burning which emit less trees and other resources. Until eventually, what happened there that's pretty amazing Alexa. Thank you for your help is always any time. I'm always here to help and piecing together. Facts is one of my favorite things to do

I shook so, such as the mind the thing this is kind of a new way of looking at history and especially social collapses. The idea that climate change played some driving role in it and they start look around there like all actually kind of explains alive. Different ones. We didn't we thought we understood before and that's that, Understanding before would be like well, King died in this created political instability, ray of evidence that there was this war, and this group got got invaded this very fine. Now is surely there might have been climate change right, led to crop failure that lead to instability that that allowed this this kingdom be invaded because it was weakened by a dying pop. Patient year. What it is, a more nuanced look dead city,

zation in an ancient histories, because I'm sure they're alot of people that when you talk. The NEO, assyrian empire, which thrived and what is now modern day Iraq for a few hundred years, and that was one of those where the death of a king is everyone, as I said. Well, that's what did it- and there, I'm sure there were historians or, like you know, that there is something missing. Yet they had some. Kings that had died leading up to the year? I this wine is right and they started to look in print killer the NEO assyrian empire, and they said all actually. If we go and look at the cave record again, they went to a cave called Koona bar in northern Iraq and they said actually the the record of rainfall capture by this cave by these mineral deposits in these caves- can show that there is the same that happened with my a very wet period that corresponds with the growth of the society in a very, very dry.

Period that corresponds with its collapse and that's a coincidence. They don't think so. It's starting to look like it's really coincidence, another one, the Ankara, what Temple in Asia and South EAST Asia, Asia those like old times was: who is it that said polar bears? because I've been saying that for like thirty something, oh no, it was acting in a spike. Lee movie or somethin sounds like the terror, maybe polar Abdul who's. The guy who ran cells pizza, Danny Ilo- I could totally, I am saying it might have been polar out of here in saying it for many many years now, so the or what simple. Yet the commissioner empire in Southeast Asia flourished fur between eighty two and fourteen thirty one see that's a long time.

For a long time, but they think that drought once again, along with like me, soon, like rains really is what brought them down as well, so again the effects of the crime. And if you look at the camera empire, similarly around anchor. Why that's the very famous like lost Temple We have already seen lorries have long known that they got invaded and taken over now they think. Actually. The reason that was allowed to happen is because of climate change and like it led to Prague items that weaken the society that allow them to be eroded and taken over This idea that ingredient right that a civilization is just like doing fine doing fine suddenly invaded and taken over by a neighbour the dragon. For hundreds of years like but had stopped asking what was it that did that right now, they're saying it looks like climate change may have played a role. I think that's just fascinating gear pressure. The same with

Vikings and the thirteen and fourteen centuries they left Greenland. They had been around for several hundred years and that was because of the little ice age yeah there. They had farming techniques that worked before the little ice age, which was a very very cool period around the globe. I think from like eight hundred to sixteen hundred or something like that, no end of the nineteenth century. I think at any rate, their farming techniques stopped working in Greenland because it is too cold, so they had to leave. Land said you gotta leave vikings and they were fine real good. Some firms and go berserk and get out of here. Researchers, so there's a lot. We can learn about you in looking back through history, not only on the battlefield in politically, but also, if we look at it it s, land

maybe climate change was the cause of the collapse of herb, an ingredient for the cause of collapse. Of some of these civilizations, The same thing could be happening to us very slowly, right in front of our Bible, yeah me one of the things if you stepped back and look at these, these historic, also civilizations like it's nice they're, like others, job going on, that's it for our culture right. It's like this was an underlying driver that they may or may not have pointed to. Is the cause of these larger thing right? You know a hearing, like a civil war and invasion, you're, not stop and think in like cash, is because of this drought right you're, Just on the invasion is the immediate think here and in an exact same way I mean we're not that remove from people who lived a millennia go as long as, though the way that our brains work. Yes, we tend to look at the trees rather than the forests to, and if that's the case and worrying period of climate change right now, it's

really worrying to think that a little bit of climate change can lead to social collapse and not direct again that's the thing. This would allow People argue about climate change is going to cause society collapse, not directly right, but he could lay the I work for always something goes wrong. There were failing to identify is ultimately caused by climate change. That's all we need to be paying into. If that is in fact, the case and likely said there a lot of indicators that some of these same thing, you're going on deforestation. Not the least among them. We are cutting down trees and we have today while the trees, ninety percent of the forest, nor their America needed in the? U S alone, Jesse you, Essen had been cut down, trees or fifty percent carbon. Roughly and they absorb, and this is a very big deal they

or between one and three million metric tonnes of co2, which offsets which we need between twenty and forty six percent of what we put into the atmosphere so You don't have to be a rocket scientist figure out. If there's your trees, then there's gotta be more co2 in the atmosphere, and I think it is even more significant than that. We did a whole episode and remember the ins and outs of a. We did a whole episode. I'm cutting down trees in the effect it has on whether area and I remember was, but why has a big effect like from single trees, to huge forest like each each each loss of tree has an impact for sure, and it's not like we're stopping now in the Pacific Northwest, We, eighty percent of the old growth foresters slated for logging to go away from logging purposes, which old growth I read a really cool article on the old growth forests of Atlanta.

And how it man, as you know, if anyone's ever been here from like out west, maybe They ve remark about how Atlantis a city in a forest and I was wondering what all growth men as a really cool article in it that the years differ depending on here asking but is basically a forests. It has not been touched by humans between a hundred two hundred fifty years, that's cool and there still o o growth forest in Atlanta. It's great is alright, while like Pine Forest, Sir, now just you know, like hardwoods sure, I know that's pretty cool disparity is like when you find a town. You're like this is just an it's like the last sitting in the middle of a jungle still functioning what social change, and what's going on with that, so I mean one of the things that used to be a hallmark of collapsing civil asian for whatever reason in as part of its collapsing,

engage in civil war or with other neighbouring countries or city states or whatever, and if climb changes? A driver of that it seems to have happened very recently, are happening right now because one of the ideas for the basis the civil war in Syria right now is a drought brought on by climate change. That started in two thousand six and actually kind of asked a lot of farmers lot of syrian farmers out of work from their fields into the and if climate change, as a driver of that, it seems to have happened very recently, are happening right now, because one of the idea, that was one of the exacerbated that led to the civil war that climate change I brought on by climate change may have been the underlying driver for the syrian civil war, going on brain out there that, like four hundred thousand people, died in so far.

Population growth is another big when we talked about both in that with the Maya and the Assyria empires that, You know, even if you're doing great, you still gotta keep the population and check because there is there A drought brought on by climate change may have been the underlying driver for the syrian civil war. To reach ten billion people that crazy by twenty fifty ten billion humans on our shared, the ceramics, talked about both at that with the Maya, any Assyria empires that you know, even if you're doing great, is still gotta keep the population in check Speaking sobered is still growing grown. There were growing as we can invent anything. We need to invent too how about any problem, but if that goes away, then we're gonna be a big trouble. I've, professor, that was me editorializing, Alcatel, more thanked him for so you added to it out, I mean, that goes away. But you know if there is a a breaking point for technological advancement

well, yeah, it's like the green revolution. We went from traditional agriculture to modern agriculture, but modern agriculture is on the verge of reaching its carrying capacity. And we have no idea what's coming after that possible. So we are well aware. Our modern intensive agricultural practices are problematic. There's a lot of fertilizer run off? They can spoil water, including drinking water. There's a lot of soul. Depletion that comes along with it and the same way that a lot of other cultures who fallen seem to have been stubborn and not adapted, but do just kept kept at kept added despair Having warning signs that it wasn't working any longer, we seem to be doing the same thing with our farming practices and we need to figure out a more sustainable way to farm yeah. I think the thing it distresses me is the lack of a and there a lot of people that art, doing this, but the lack of the long term outlook you know like a well

gonna happen in my lifetime. Yeah, that's a bummer, so I need to keep a penny to keep pushing forward with whatever farming practices, I'm utilizing or whatever the case may be one of the one of the suggestions. I saw one of researching the end of the world to get people to care about. The future is to extend human lifespan you, like other two two hundred years in the future, that was minimal aid care about that, and they introducing it's weird to think. You know it's. It's simple if you think about it, but it's also weird to think like just how come clearly that would make a start planning for the future, a lot more right, rather than shrinking the the future into human size. We would be growing human size in the future. I feel like a human lifespan of the human awareness of what a life span riotous that change the whole outlook. You re, always had a good question about that too. She's like at what point? Do we stop caring about

our descendants there you know, get kids, grandkids, gray, carrying kids great great drink, asked does Michael one point. We have a saying great, just descendant tuna yeah sure now, I wonder, where were you really start carrying like? Do you really care about your great grandkids, great gray, carrying kids less has finally or maybe here's the thing you could just not even think about it in terms of you, your family, but maybe just planet, earth and and doing the right thing. Near luckily allow people to think that way or in increasing amount. We also have to say check their like. The idea that climb change is a driver for social collapse is very new. Some people, some historian, some geologist like this really smacks of a trendy thing, and I

just not honest. Bandwagon right to young is too knew. It seems to him. You know, like a scissors sisters record I guess I'm trying to say, is it's not. This is definitive, is not set in stone here, and there is also a lot of people who say: well, we are pretty smart. A lot smarter than we were a thousand years ago can invent our way out of any problem that old bag, but it I mean we ve done it so are near. Its touch argue with. In some cases it is not to say it the world's necessarily going to end at any point in time in the near future. But right or that we cannot ourselves assimilate and change and roll with it go back to maybe a different lifestyle oh yeah, or continue on or technological pro but like say, adopt more sustainable farming practices. I mean that's the view of the few her that not all these disturbing in films have is usually mean. Sometimes

to Baron wasteland Madman style, but lots of times it's like a return to the earth and small villages of people farming. Exactly what happened to the Maya yeah they down new forms: the farm, the farm hinterlands word. They just continued on like nothing happened right, but the people in the cities were like oil were mad max now coastal it is anything else. No less was the climate change, leading to the fall of the Maya, the episode and the end of that, since I said that it's time for listener now this from Rosanna in Surrey, United Kingdom, as my husband and I are currently renovating and edwardian house in very poor condition, and she detailed it sounds like Iraq and that their

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