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You asked forever you get your podcast welcome to step. You should know the production of biomass radios. Housetop were open to the podcast time, Josh Clark, dinners, trouser retort, browsers Jerry over there. We owe wasted ways: it on excitement about talking about you. Wasted, excitement like that Your eight motto near and not a not the worst span name but not the best. Not the best at all, like an album title more like oh yeah, it's a good outcome title, maybe it some jungle x rays. Second, album wasted on excitement, yeah or bathtub gin wasted on excitement, bats origins of fish song, though it is this.

Mrs funhouse, I was walking in then they read yesterday and I saw a car that was clearly like the child home for for Thanksgiving. It was like a beat up jeep from Florida, and it had a fish sticker in a grateful dead kicker, unlike one other thing college, and this really nice thing I was like. Oh man. I bet I wonder how much it is hidden in that thing- is welcome home sign. What's that smell her home? right! Oh, are you being the sun where we act play acting now, it is. It was that the civic coffers took went down the wrong road, pipe IRAN Pipe man. What is up of those party flapped, I don't know, I'm in trouble gin of gin, and I love breeding about it in researching it and of a might have a martini tonight. As a result, I don't think there's any way. You could not have

martini after reading about gin for hours and hours and hours Yak Jenin Tonic season is over for me. Sadly, and I'm into wine season, but wine season a martini season there some come morbidity, their martini seasons you around, not for me, I mean I don't drink, that many martinis it's moving around with Hodgman we'd pound, I'm sure he can't not drink martinis when Hodgman around here, of course near no comment but correct. So we're talking gin because June is great love gin and it turns out just got a pretty pretty interesting history to it. I think so too, and we did an episode not too long ago on a short stuff actually on the difference between Burma, and whisky right has been out yet even with the way our schedule works on our way adds coming out tomorrow. Now, ok about an area tomorrow's in today,

Tomorrow's and after this is released tomorrow, is in at the people who are listening to this day comes out tomorrow to them Bulgaria Select group of humans. As far as the dimension of time go, that's right so tomorrow. Everybody you'll hear short stuff about the difference between whiskey but why things are really stands out there of laws surrounding whisky, especially in the United States. What makes whisky whisky, what you can call a specific kind of whiskey, Well, you can put on the label of some kinds of whisky. Lots and lots of laws exist to love a country governed now in the Spirit of America, the name Spirit of America. That's what it was, but with Jean it's quite the opposite: Basically, as long as you have a neutral green spirit that is still there, I think eighty proof or higher.

you can add whatever flavour you want to it, and then you can college in Turkey, which is not whatever you're If you buy that thing, what that I just described, although its technically legally It's not really Jim Lotta people out flavoured vodkas but in Europe there are specific steps you wanna followers was big things you want to do more than anything, there's probably going to be a taste of juniper to it, yeah that is, that used to be there. Very much the case now, and we talk a little bit about this on other episodes. Just tangentially. I think is that there are many artists. Engine makers, now better do in all kinds of is genes in some many, chewing the juniper altogether, that

if a little evergreen, shrub yeah, there's little cones that have that piny secrecy, peppery taste that we love so much by the way, I should say, are our body, then Listen here of the greatest generation and firmly fire he in this online elsewhere, but as far as he knows, he invented it a smoke to Jenin Tonic where he gets a little like I just torch in. Eggs, juniper berries and then throws the glass on top of it upside down and let's just smoke up in and turns it over and adds the ice in the area and the rest of the mixing there. I would like to try that I've had like smoked, manhattans and smoked whisky drinks area would smoked kind and is it the same thing. Yes same same process but I've never ever heard of a smoke chin and tonic, so hats off to ban. If he did inventor here was

and also want to I shouted up before, but I get this local tonic now. That's delicious that is the real deal. You know the djinn Joan of ARC and it's very different than if you use a traditional like Schweppes Tonic, doesn't take anything like that. Now it so you cut it with a soda water and it's a very, very lovely taste. Oh, he had a good time quarters just amazingly good, yet That's you know, if you don't like fever tree will buzz market. That is still a little more of a traditional tonic. This stuff is brown right and syrupy, and then you you, you mix it with the soda and its. It becomes sort of a real version of that stuff. So it's probably very similar their drinking in India in the nineteenth century. I think so so we'll get all we'll get tell their rescue packages are right, so you start off. If you want to

gin and I have again making kit from last Christmas I still haven't used. This is inspired me to from today and actually making gin and impounded or bring someone. We cannot take it up, just a sip, but you start with that Spirit F of Ethyl alcohol. That's ninety six percent, a baby, though you can power car on and then you re still gin, and that is one of them. He's here. The real real gin, you read is still that spirit with whatever botanical you end up, choosing right, but typically the main botanical that used in the main flavour profile of gin. Aside from alcohol, you, How are your car on? Is that juniper bury that that traditionally hamper the correct path?

any ever greeny, some people call it like drinking a Christmas tree. What makes gin gin a g once you ve had a super gin. You will never mistake for anything else for the rest of your life. That's right and that base spirit. Can be also way should also way until you twenty one to have their share of horse that day There can be weeds, it can be, awry can be, coroner can be barley, but it can be really anything other than potato Jim or apple gin. I saw this come in Ireland? Those article advice, by Elisabeth Rush. Ireland's Beth Jen is made out of milk. The seller to birth is gin; they make it and this is produced fully in Ireland, which is a great thing. Is it's a byproduct of cheese? making that way sweet way. They they. They use that to make gin. It's crazy

yeah they ferment away and then use that they d still that fermented beer basically and then you d still that further in the process of bit near the presence of botanical than you have gin. Is this this multi step process, but because your stet year, starting out with such a ridiculously high proof, alcohol, like neutral alcohol, you can use basically in old shoe to make that that neutral, green, sperience, gonna taste virtually the same as neutral grain spirit made for a neutral spear made from barley or from way or from potatoes or grapes. It just is the CE alcoholic essence of those things yeah and apparently that fermented way is what makes baileys as well, which added no Baileys Irish

this key nearest fermented away. All I did not know that either in this I gotta try the stethoscope Bertha revenge, her Baileys irish cream. I'm sorry here would you say irish whiskey. Yet none of us is the coffee additive. That's the kind of Macgregor stuff for grandma birth is revenge Alex Delicious and it is before we made in Ireland in Bertha apparently is is a cow under yes. She she died aged forty, nine, after giving birth to thirty something calves over her life can yet she was a very prolific milk cow in many, yeah, but they are not the only game in town making way based gin. There are others as well there supposedly again, it's it's, they say there's something in the way that even once its distilled into its spirit, there's some there. Some mouth feel tourism flavour profile, that a lot of people

you that this is not the case that no matter what you make it from your going to arrive at basically the same base neutral spirit came we'll find out Just let me have some I'll drive Bombay a fire which will learn later on perhaps kick started they resurgence of gin here. Did you know that in the United States now, but it makes a little bit a sense now. Let us here Dates and the timelines when it came over Butscha, they very proudly display their ten different botanical. The bottle licorice juniper, of course, to bed berries, in Jellicoe route. Omens, Coriander Casio Bark Iris Route, lemon peel and grains of paradise, very nice and I like a Bombay sapphire martini teeny. That's that's a good one. Back for me, although I'm a Plymouth man through and through when it comes to met, martinis alike generally, unlike the Hendricks and I take her regular fashion, take for the photonics.

Incorrect efficient, take away for the topics I'll get a Hendricks martini when I'm out and about, but if it, if I'm like, making it myself, I used to like them more in writing the traditional ones for the martini and then Irene. Like no man, you wanna go exact, Is it that you won't like the most botanical Jeanne? You can find fer a gene martini because I mean it's been quickly Jean with a little bit of vermouth right. So you want to taste your gin, so I've kind of gravitated toward stuff, like I'm, the botanist or sing we're just Bhutan or those are two really really like. I guess botanical the best way to put it that are out there that are really really tasty? Is at the Saint George that tastes like feet. So now that is their aged. I re Posada gin, about that. I didn't love that where they made it like, it was by Canada.

A cow or age, tequila style gin where it was gin, but it had like some quality of like really like long aged tequila. I think you weren't prepared for it, I wonder if you'd like it now, knowing like what it was going into it. Maybe I mean I'm always had to try something, but I love a good high quality, London dredging- that's my Jim sure, I'm gonna with you. I just like the more Britannica ones these days than I used the botanical, the puritanical, once the ones I don't have any alcohol at all. So I think we should quickly talk about before we take our first break about just how you do still it cause. There's a couple of ways: and then we'll take our break, but the first way is steeping and that, as you know, you steep tee and its same thing. Basically, you have your base spirit heating up and at similar first and then you have those botanical right in there and the oils are releasing, and it's just infusing through the whole thing,

the other way- and you know emily- has until now had loved it, maybe get in there and try some of this rural. I did not know that this she liked. carry Atomic Tommy Gun around where a length fur coat now she's got a copper she's she's to Athens, Georgia once a week to harvest herbs and then hills herbs for products. I did know that vehicle that is, super cool slot, funded tier out there doing that stuff yeah, that's neat and then the other ways vapor infusion and what Bombay Sapphire does, and that is when you have the botanical in a basket hanging above the boiling spirit in the that vapor rises in it, does it more through like that steam again right so or You can combine the two, which is what another kind of Saint George Chin Terroir does, where they used the steeping method for most of the botanical, and then they use the vapor method. For,

I think, like Douglas FIR and Bay Laurel leaves so it's it's gatling candidate, tee a botanical brewing in just vapor, rising through those other those last to circle, it is pretty cool. Actually right now we'll take a break and will come back. Talk a little bit about the types of gin which also until some history predator, here, we go you ready to vote, because making your voice heard is more important than ever specially in these challenging times. That's right! That's why we hear it said he should know, are partnering with head account at to get you all the information you need to vote, family voting by a voting early or on election day visit, headcount dot, Org

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be a gross term now think about magic ring your guy. He keep staring at us, we'll just insert just Clarks MAGIC word of choice, magic about Jen. We already talked about the fact that it has to be if he has made really distilled with these botanicals to be real gin. Threat, otherwise flavored vodka, that name is, can come up and that's a dirty word. Yes, but RO, I know, but I'm asking you to yes airline see. Yes, it is now my strong, a pseudo failed out of improper yours, No, but I know there's no, but those big Daddy London, dries like you said my Plymouth guy. I got on a two year, but these are not sweet. I don't like it back and out of this programme are so listen about gene. We already talked about the fact that it has to be if he s made really distilled with these botanical to be real gin.

right otherwise flavoured vodka. That name is, can come up and that's a dirty word. Yes, but stilled London Dry, Jan some of the big big cats. Beefeater in Gordon's in tanker re are some of those. Those big Daddy London dries Cinema, Plymouth guy I got on a two year, but these are not sweet whether called dry, Djinns right, sweet and are I have a long history and actually predate Chin fur of many many years but the London Jane is what most people think of when they, when they think of GIN and London, Jane is actually a sub care. very of a larger category, which is distilled gin, yeah gene, which is basically flavour vodkas. Would you could look really put any flavour into this neutral spirit and gin distill Jim means it went through that process like we describe before,

break in London dry as one of those that's right right. Is it Basically what you just said here I mean I was list following it, but it's a seemed off. How interesting well declared that that's right, get to old Tom GIN, and this has an interesting history of its etymology, and I this from Mark your dollar, at tales of the cocktail dot com. Apparently the name old tom- comes from these plaques that hung outside of pubs that look like there. There was like the shape of an old tomcat TED and get there and this is amazing, apparently in London, if you The sign hanging up in the window underneath the cats PA was a slot and lead pipe and touched her and you could go down the street in England and drop a coin and the slow,

and get a shot of Jenin, your mouth yeah from under the cats PA amazing, I saw it I saw that it originated check with this guy named Captain Dudley Bread Street in the whole region. Started doing. This is because there was a law that said that the info It had to know the name of the person. Was selling the illegal gin for the cops have probable cause to rate a place. you're, so he hold himself up in this house on this. One Allie blue anchor alley and started telling gin that way. Anonymously, there's no one knew who is selling it. The cops could never read the place, but yeah was under. The poor old, like like a statue or sign, or something an old paw earn old Tom TAT. I love it two more time went away. It was very much sweet, That was when they were using sugar and a lot of botanical, because the the Bay Spirit wasn't that great too,

twice so they loaded up with sugar in this other stuff and prohibition. Basically- killed Old Tom GIN for a long time by the time people started in a prohibition was over. They didn't have a taste for it anymore and is. It has made a come back in recent years, though a bit of a come back for you if you are interested in training, should start with ransoms old Tom gin near its just beautiful is again What about Navy strength gin? that's out of your head! That now I don't know. If I have not. Actually it will make you blind, really, Your hang over is noticeably worse the next day for the same amount of booze. It's just. What's a brand stronger stuff, anchor. I believe Anchor makes a navy strength. Gin, though it makes sense to animals positive, that's whose I've had, but it's it's just like this higher proof. I think, like Jim,

can be as low as like thirty seven and a half per cent and navy strength is at least fifty fifty percent. Ok and there's just a noticeable difference in it in the taste. Is it's a you know? It's not terribly much different, it's just potency of it, but it's actually a got its name from pretty great little legend from what I understand yet in the Navy. They they love. Them, some Jan in the Navy, and actually get Jen Rations, and so sailors were tested out to see. If it was, you know up to snuff more if it was watered down and they would drizzle it over a little pinch of gunpowder and then light it and if it lit than it was navy strength. Yet I love it and it's not like a legal classification. Everything as it is this kind of like a well. It says it says, Navy strength, Jan, is at least fifty seven point. One percent That leaves and others a law in the EU

or that's just the sort of a standard, but that's that's where the name came from at least near yeah and its people what about Geneva, so that is basically like the predecessor of gin right. I mean that this dutch drink that was first drunk too for me, we'll get drunk off of yeah- that's made more out of malt wine, I think fifteen to fifty percent, more wine, and so it you know I can count on it like the multitude of a whiskey but the botanical virgin error. I think I've always heard their old Tom in Geneva Allah alike. There. Really they bear resemblance interesting, but am so Geneva, is like a pretty good place to start as far as this history of gin go because it was like. I was saying, like a a prodigy like one of the first, the against the direct predecessor of June. As we understand it today,

but even further back than that that essential component of gin, the juniper Barry, has been used, at least since the seven these and other ninety seven is, I mean just the straight up. Seventy here's a recipe. Plainly, the elder fear. Seventy six or seven years, in very II that use juniper berries and you just we're supposed to boil some white wine with juniper berries and then drink it, and it was a curative and probably got you pretty drunk, and then I thought about this. This is like two years before he died in them. The eruption of Vesuvius Service, interesting, weird cunning filling where was he had a nice couple years there at the end, he ain't here were Geneva D and e r is actually dutch for juniper and it is, it does come hail from HOLLAND

and apparently in the thirteenth fourteenth centuries. These- and this was when we people were using herbs medicine. They obviously told me that today, that's what Emily's doing, but apothecaries! There were experimenting with all kinds of a curative herbs and medical, tonics and stuff like that. juniper was deafening in that category where Geneva right turn was they said, while let's just get drunk and like it's not so much a a cure but maybe maybe a cure something's. it was, it was a drink that you drank to get drunk. It was like the other first spirit out of I believe out of Europe. For that people drink I mean they have beer and wine and everything before, but you never was like this, like the the first hard liquor, I think that people really drink and like there was a malted wine right, yeah, that's the base which, as I say, you buying a convenience, store

drink out, a paper bag like Malta, wine, but they would add sugar to it and it had juniper, which is why a lot of people say this is the direct predecessor gin and it was how The UK was introduced to gin was Geneva because I think in the fifteenth century. Maybe something like that sixteenth. The six seen Century Queen Elizabeth. The first sent some of her royal soldiers to the Netherlands to fight alongside the Dutch when they are fighting for independence. the Dutch said: hey man taking couple shots this Geneva you'll you'll find anybody. You won't be scared at all and on the English, like that, a lot, and so they brought Geneva back with them or taste for it at least engineer eventually got shortened to gin as where we get the word gin from that's right, and about close you a hundred years later.

Into the anglo Dutch warm and you can actually import it legally by the barrel and their workers. Strong water shops was with the early Kristofferson lender, we're gonna love that I'm a bit, I'm sure their pay. in America where they have a gang that title they also where arm garters, I'm so glad you too, that word because I've always call you know those like our army arm bayonets and never had quite the punch here aren't garters than the first job in distillery in Britain and Plymouth right, Ok, I'm have. I heard a lot of trouble figure in this one out. I saw that in eighteen. Forty booths was the first really kinda Stiller, ok, but in that the Plymouth why was I wait? Maybe that was like the seventeen hundreds, I'm not sure there.

was a big rush to arm to establishing gin distilleries in this period. There we're talking about very or have a date for the planet would actually I may look it up. Are you talkin Well, let's flash forward then to the gin craze, because gin depending on who you're asking was the the crack of sixteen hundreds in England, William of Orange protestant king of the Netherlands went to assume the throne and of Great Britain during the glorious revolution and were drinking that Geneva and they loved it as royalty, but that the working class could not afford the stuff so they started making their own wrought, get like bathtub gin and apparently is it is not brew, are not brood, it's not distilled in a bathtub. It can be mixed with botanical in a bathtub from what I saw, the main reason is called bathtub. Generous goes too

down, in top it off with water. You couldn't fitted in these bottles in sync, she had to do in a bathtub, ok I think there are mixing up botanical and stuff to but at any rate, this wrought got gin and seven, in early seventeen hundreds and buy them seventeen hundreds there was a full on gin problem and ruddy. Uk yes called the Djinn craze and like, especially if you read like kind of the young, the tracks railing against the time, a newspaper editorials and in stories about two stood to pray, poverty. Those going on because of gin like the whole country was, is totally office raw. her on gin and not even like good gin, even Geneva, this this bathtub rocket stuff that you are talking about where they would add things like turpentine too,

give it a piny flavour because they didn't have juniper berries there. It is so acid to give it a hot after tastes like it was supposed to have really really bad stuff in those making people crazy, and there were their stories about others who there's a woman named Judith before killed her own daughter so that she can sell closed by more gin or parents like selling their its into slavery, to buy more Jeanne. You know people turning into sex workers just to get gin, money I just supposedly was like you said it was just like, like the crack epidemic in the same kind of response, It is well here in the United States, but this is gin back the early eighteenth century yeah an end sure there was a gin problem. Now historians looked back a little bit and there, like you, know at these because we're written and these objects were written by the upper class in Britain and they

basically an obsession with the the english character being degraded and dragged through the mud by these gin drunks. Take it with a grain of salt for sure was again problem, but their basically, I was is: is it dinner her egg thing going on, because there are like urban Nation is going rampant in London at the time and was the gin craze a product of this, pretty or the cause of it, and by all accounts these days it looks like it was sort of a product of it. I so that there are at least two documented cases of spontaneous human combustion prickly from drinking this chanting. Wow, that's crazy, yeah, some hard courtship cheese, eight different gin acts from parliament over about a twenty two year period. Basically, I mean that

different things, but one of the big ones was hey. You can't put these. You can put sulphuric acid and stuff and said play more right and little by little. These incremental laws over these eight acts like made it really expensive. Devolution sell gin really expensive to import neutral spirits, if induce basically made so that unless you owned a large distillery, an established like tavern, you could not legally engaging in selling a reprieve in June and generate yeah well said in the act. a general yes, thou shalt, not bacon dinnery of any kind right. Ok, so especially if your name is my cocaine of you finally did it did I do it? If I did it no, he didn't a cape so but over the course of these acts. It left just like these handful of huge distilleries like booths Plymouth. Plymouth, by was,

First there was in the late, eighteenth, nice and a cup. I think, Boodles might have been around by then, but all the small distilleries went away just by law, and so, in this artisanal revolution that were currently going in that's going on now, over to England, this this company called SIP Smith's when you go start their own and they found out today couldn't by law. That was two hundred years old, so they had lobby and they were the first company in two hundred years to get a licence to Bruce or do still small batch gin. My England amazing, because those gin acts. I think so too. Alright, let's take another little break here. And we'll talk more about gin ran after this,

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there. She doesn't have it. She has a traditional copper pot still, which means that you you can do one thing at a time basically, You boy, your mash, the alcohol boil that off you collect that decision, spirit in the end, but go to start all over again. The continuous still was a varied and the other bad part about that is, as it were. A baby is, can be pretty low if you're doing the single bought that your alcohol by volume, that's right, because them the longer it was say distilled pure and more alcoholic. The ultimate spirit you captured would be right. That's right! Ok! So if you have again was still, which was what was invented in eighteen. Thirty damaging keep going man, you just keep thrown that match in there and you keep that process going and you get him. more and more pure as you go, and you get that beautiful, clear Grain alcohol around ninety six percent. In the end that really

really change the game yeah, because so that, like these continuous still coffee stills after the men who invented them? It's like the the Spirit rises through increasingly higher up stages, and its re heated and heated and heated, and so it becomes pure impure the if it goes and then eventually gets tapped, often than you have that high test alcohol and and because you get pure alcohol to use as the base spirit for gin, you had less of it. Key foul nasty taste that you needed to cover up with stuff like botanical or sugar or turpentine, which meant that you could produce chin with her. the much pure gin that eventually evolved into London Trajan. yeah and London Dry, dredge again with the dry, that means it's not a sugary apparently victorians in the upper class. At one point decided to

basically lower their sugar intake. none of those just a major health kick going on. It sounds like John Harvey Kellogg's work here, maybe so, but when they started getting rid of the sugar and that's why, It is dry version which became the London Dry Jen and the rest is history. They started producing some really high quality genes in England at the time. Yet he did, I think, that's when the booths in boodles and all those guys sturdy feeder, beefeater ends. That was great. That was line for the while, like you said, the The navy was getting their rations and then going out to sea with their Jane and testing airline gunpowder and all that. But where are the things that you you look especially with the London dry. Gin is well there's. No sugar

There's like a really interesting combination of those botanical and botanical. We didn't really say, but I think he's kind of self evident is any kind of like route plant seed leaf stem. bark, whatever that's used to add a particular flavour profile to Jean typically junipers, like the chief botanical in a gin. But if you look at like these lists of Botanic There are frequently used in London dredging. They come from over the world, and is no coincidence that England was at the height, of its imperial colonial power, at a time when London dredging developed, because it was an imposition to bring these ingredients from all over the world to the distilleries they had set up shop in London, yeah mean think even the Bombay Sapphire has each country listed behind the botanical in its day you know they're, all from ten different places, eleven different places, yeah pretty cool

It is critical, so the seafaring of the Brits British see power. her, that band yeah you're going to love those guys They were like early two, thousands right yeah. That was a big away ban for me, Ok, I didn't over there from none of that I lived in a way I see their british, I always think so they were from like the Arab League of Montreal in someone's still loves you where's Yeltsin and all those can any bans at the same time right. It yeah think so. Loved this guy's british Super, but the that had a lot to do again because of Brits in their navy were very strong and they sailed a lot and travelled all over the world, obviously because he had certain interests like Ongoing your country and making their own in getting their hands on your botanical and also getting there until I, let's say the tropics and say: oh, my god,

I've never been here before what it. What are these things that we can eat and drink? And what is this disease? Malaria? I don't want to get that, and so they look at the the you know the people from their obviously together, flew on, like they're, fine, we like them, and the natives of South Amerika chewed on that gene shown a tree and that bark, combat Malaria and Jonas pretty wondrous Barak, has a natural chemical, and that is the quinine that you here you know if you look at a tonic, bottles contains quinine and it comes year by year makes you feel better if you have malaria, but it also deserve the metabolism of the parasite and kills it. So it's a the comment as well as a help. You feel better type thing. Ah, what medicaments predicament, because my It's all a flutter work. It's something has happened to me, but these

actors, we're like hey, yeah, you, british soldier, you should They start prescribing the stuff this Joan of ARC, and colonist in India, in South America and they were eating a ton of it seven hundred tonnes annually in the eighteen, forty seven hundred tonnes of ginger no Barca year were being eaten by british soldiers and settlers yup and oh, they figured out how to I guess the still quinine hopefully using a coffee still and started putting it into Tyke like making this time quarter, but basically I'm sure what what you're buying is. Yes, distill quinine from the chinchilla it's gotta be right. I mean that the thing I need to look at the other stuff in there and maybe I'll follow up with some ingredients. Ok do and bring me some to please. Ok, so with quinine like you were. You were basically taking a dose of quinine in a shot of tonic water and so because everybody,

sailing around the world on british ships with, gene in one hand and a word. On the other hand, we eventually put the two together and came up with the gin and tonic, throw a lemon or alive slice in there to combat scurvy, and you have a complete drink. That's amazing It is apparently a lot of these gin cocktails born out of the the nasty taste of the original alcohol. So there You know you talking about that. Right, get gin, Woody you you're gonna mix it with a lot of stuff to try and make it more drinkable. That is The martini? However, this is a pretty need story. The eighteen seventies and eighties is when Marty These were born and This is from a gentleman name, Richard Barnett, and this makes so much sense, its very cool. He said Teeny is an embodiment of american history at its most diverse Dutch in english gin mix with French. For me, serve with Mediterranean aloes german

which pickled onions or caribbean lemons and that glass, which, by the way, what am I more annoyances in life biggest annoyances, is when you get a martini these days, the weird glass yeah get a martini last. But do you like the big honking nineties, Karen from willing gray style merchandise like do I like the classic sixties a madman martini, well, ok, more compact were alike and both I'll take up I'll, take either one, but just gimme that conical glass don't gimme like a tulip glass, I have not seen a martini tulip Clare, have their places around town that serve remedies. Little two classes- and I just do it right- yeah you're, right immunity literally called a martini glass. It's the glass meant for years, it's like servant, margarita? server, Marguerite, unwanted, different things. I guess sure you can keep your head

and drink more people, have me that's true you can get a Marguerite ingredients poured down your throat. You don't even need to use your hand, it's true senor frogs, Nineteen twenties, MS women in craze. Color was red, kick started again because a prohibition and even went back to putting like disgusting angry, in their usual metering and not the in craze, like everybody likes Chin like the Djinn crazed like thereby going bonkers because of the terrible gender drinking right well and everyone's drinking Jan, because it was it wasn't just straight up, ethyl alcohol from a moonshine, your leg, highly slits, though some current ingredients in here. Oh yeah, turpentine again they use this. Stuff that they used in the original, Jane Craze, sulphuric acid turpentine now, and that growth is a classic recipe Kirsty

what else was made that the Manhattan ginger is the gimlet these? all born out of that sort of nineteen thirty's post prohibition cocktail movement year. We talked a lot about the origins of those drinks in that how bars work live up reserve, and rightly so, varied Russia's by it's funny. You think, like some of our favorite cocktails were built to combat the tastes of nasty gin near, which is why people like you, don't don't use the good stuff to mix like the whole reason for mixing is to cover up the nasty stuff there the good stuff straight, although I cannot imagine just drinking like like a neat room temperature gin that does not sound good to me. Well, let me tell you the story of my first gin experience, in Athens in College and in David has put this nickel, together for his, and he very astutely points out that, if your child this,

beneath his and eightys. He probably didn't drink like agented tonic early on like this is something you may I picked up on later and that was the case. For me it was late college and there was a a fellow waiter, Mexicali Grill. That was therefore just a brief period. Named dawn came under the guy last name it doesn't matter and down, and I ended up out on the river late night at Acone Springs Park with the half gallon of Sea Grimm's gin, oh my god, just, took it too far and were drinking right out of the bottle and waiting out into the river and not being very safe, quite frankly, but always remember down for that. He introduced me to Jan and he introduce me unsuccessfully to the date Matthew spent didn't stick. I don't know why. Those always took out to me by dawn was the first exit man disband splain across the street is key

he's gonna Jazzy in their multiracial, and it's like you never heard anything like it, and that was David he's been near. He was right about that. Is he he's factually correct about two things His jazzy and multi racial man see grooms, read out the hand boy, it was bad, but I remember very distinctly like tasting that piny gin and thinking like issue at this is a good thing to do. Like this. No, it took me many years to finally come around. The gin me like r K. I liked vodka martinis, for there was one of my first drinks ever was vodka martinis and when you thirteen three pretty much my tree passive smoking cigarettes and your she's about this issue for ninth grade but, like I said I would Vodka parties- it wasn't like I just Couldn'T- take it tastes like straight up alcohol but for some reason,

I did not like gin, and I finally gave it a chance of like actually is way better than vodka and everybody vodka guy. Unless you time out the delightful birthday cake flavoured vodka is everything yeah hey. We will judge man. If that's what you are sure to you, I of course JANET, You big come back now, though, like we said it may have did in the weight nineties when Bombay Sapphire first came to the: U S, really was a pretty big hit than him Ex came along in the? U S and two thousand three. Let that happen we're saying as many brands is possible, so in the hope that they'll send his you lot of whiskey. We never get gin, no no of every once in a while, we ve gotten Jimbo, dumb, not ever no, not really, but that the gene sciences are still at nice. Did you just coiner? I did. That was really getting thanks: genus shut genocides, American

Medicaments Mindanao, even better. That's a real word on. It makes it up but you don't pull it out of jirga ether. Great fantastic. We anything else. North you're still going and I didn't erupted, doing you're gonna pick up again. I didn't get it of years of doing this, we would have had figured out by now. I get nothing else. If anything else either accept the genes great, it is great if you're a legal age drink responsibly, don't drive certainly make it make it really easy Anita, not drive these days. Yeah man went of it right, hailing apps, you have zero excuse these trade Well, if you want to know more about gin mile again, I guess if your twitter, and give it a try, see what happens but, like Chuck said, drink responsibly for now, twenty one, you have to wait. Sorry, since I said you're gonna have to wait. Sorry time for mail

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