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doing coming this ball welcomed step. You should now production of radio hast up. Where are you walk into the park? Cast iron Josh clerk in their struggles double check Brian over there, and it's just the two of us. We can make it if we try since the two of Us Chuck and I tried and we are stuff. You should know the Heroin edition haven't covered harrowing. Yet no, we haven't. We have not had helped us out with this, and I love how he just put it straight up. Heroin is a demon, MIT way to be objective. You know it occurred to me because I like to think of things, the lines of movies, a lot of times, pot movies, rarely, if ever any good? What

kerosene, dazed and confused my friend I dont can sit. We would what about the sun movie, crush? No one? I don't consider that a weed movie, although its featured heavily, I would all at one of the main characters. I don't care what a weed movie I consider we'd movies, like teach and John movies. We have half baked How high like movies words, literally just about marijuana facing it, is about a bunch of friends in the seventies unacquainted goal, Fahrenheit Fair enough, you only labour other p. Although said now, you know you're wrong days. Confused isn't we'd movie, but let's say that is we'd movie, that's one good one. I teach and young, ok but they're, really, not that good. No, really! Cocaine movies that are there, the crush no one. I don't consider that a weed movie, although its featured heavily, I would call it one of the main characters

is about as cocaine movie as they they get. I can't think of one straight up like following some cocaine users here like that, because this problem, No one wants to see that the great but hair when movies are great. I mean you got what train spotting pen. Needle park train. Body in could see. In any know, even if it's not about heroin stuff like pop fiction, like I think heroin, has been romanticize in film for more effectively and more often than any other drug right, which is pretty messed up, because if there is a drug out there, where Nancy Reagan actually was following some cocaine users yeah like that, because its profits and no one wants to see that the great but hair. When movies

It is a genuinely bad bad drug and basically the last thing should be romanticized but you're right. I think they ve made some pretty movies about it, and I think people like while those as cats are really into that, that's gag man and I don't know I mean I can imagine that there aren't people out there who haven't tried heroin because it was romanticized in the movies. I hate to say here and I think Because in the movies, it's you know it portrays it as it is, which is euphoric and relaxing and you you know, every movie you see when someone does the heroin You see right. Afterward is a big wave of of Venus wash over them and that's why? don't see moves of how people snorting cocaine is cause she's, not fun, to see someone snort cocaine and then talking

somebody like a jerk for the fixed for a horse or sit right depending on how much a yacht I've, never done heroin. But I do know that it's chemical name is Diamorphine here and weak. Talk about heroin without talking about morphine, because it's kind of almost the same thing. Well, it's morphine baby near basically it's it's! You can take morphine great and they run it through morphine, morphine baby total. It is kind I think about member their ban morphine. They were really good luck we know there were great. What kind of music would they be classified as there are not quite grunge, do not quite metal. Now morphine was very chill. Ok, but they had like a real heavy guitar, sound right, lots of feedback and distortion. Now, thinking you, a different band morphine had the saxophone as likely

the main instruments- environments. Unless I'm getting a little Gallagher, you think at any Right now of morphine is the parent of heroin. You take morphine and run it through a few hoops They were really good. I love working on their great. Why kind of music would they be classified as there are no quick that the average user couldn't tell the difference between the two, because your body basically takes heroin, friends in morphine. The biggest differences are the the how long the high lasts, shorter we, Ireland, but I think it it sets on faster and then the addictive miss. When is even more addictive. The morphine and morphine is awfully addictive. Its of heroin earlier, apparently just in a whole different league. As far as addictive Moscow's goes. Yeah? That's what I've heard and that certainly how they portrayed in movies as well to be fair right. It's like this.

Although there are movies that show like pulp is a good example of a functioning heroin attic. Yet, but usually this the case in a movie now, It's true I mean numb bs, usually do show how this kind of growth it get. The ever aromatic serve as for its rare, it's rare that it's it's not part, isn't included. They think about What was the name of that move? You? It's just let Owen currently Lord Requiem for dream? Yes, that was harrowing We say I got pink, I from watching that movie dirty do oh man, that's a perfect way to say it I mean there's, who can yet that one image of the air when he directed into that fester. He saw TAT obsessive. I think I came nah something that I think is what it was called wound, botulism

and that's it, that's it effect a risk of of heroin, by which I mean, if you think, heroines clamorous, just look up wound by tourism, her or gang greener and abscess from injection site. New, more don't mind, It also read America. If you thinking about doing heroin, do ok, look better, we infer a dream is also a good example of why they don't make movies about cocaine and speed, because the problem, unsettling aspect. That movie is that the supply with the of the plot line with the Ellen birth with Alan burst in me, I to watch it was very hard to watch over some parts of it were pretty funny like when the tv to straight up talking to her the else's. That money. That movie was nuts okay, so back to Heroin There's, apparently, that there is a very pure form of IRAN, which makes sense. I mean any kind of process drug like cocaine or something like that

There is going to be a purest form of it, but far and away the vast majority of people who you thy drug drugs never going to encounter that purest form it gets caught. There's impurities that are introduced to make it less pure, seek and some more and so the the harrowing goes from like this off white kind of Ellie, grayish color to everything from like orange and brown to black, black tar heroin, like one of the most famous heroin varieties ever from what I've heard is some comes from Mexico, and it's just really bottom of the barrel stuff. Like it Imagine that the purest form is a almost white powder. And your shooting black tar the kind of guy an idea of how far from purity black tar heroin is yes, I saw that that black, our heroine is usually come, with either burn cornstarch, lactose great there's, there's chow,

Heroin too, which is supposedly pretty rough as well as far as impurities go but it also sounds grow slightly less airline. Why did why take a word? That's great, like cheese and hence courage at airports, the other ways it can be sold, which I did now can be sold as assault do. You know how movies, if their injecting it, they always cook it up in the spoon anything partially, why movies glamorize? It is because just Cinema key to shoot to film someone cooking something in the spoon in the whole process. Right is just You know it's interesting looking. It looks good on screen books so glamorous it does in a little then a weird way, but when you saw it as a salt, it does not need to be heeded and dissolve is just guess you can just dissolve like sought with dissolve in water right right. You can smoke it. You can snored it you can,

in your butt you selling gum Chris Farley and black sheep. I never saw it. Others is powers like Schumann's Norton, smokin drop. Thing I've just I've seen too much Chris Farley in my life is here is constantly in my head. Or you can eat heroin, apparently especially cheese heroin, I really do not know that getting so that's there's like a bunch. Different kinds of heroin you can get depending on where you are going to come from different places in the world which will talk about and theirs no denying it gets, you super duper high. When you, when you do heroin, the problem is within a few hours of that you start to enter. Heroin withdrawals and we'll talk exactly what goes on in the brain, a little more. But basically your brain is saying,

oh, I need more of what you just gave me, because I adjusted to life with that. That level of dopamine release that it, it triggered and now everything's this horrid and black and again this can start in just a few hours. Depending on how many times you shot heroin much of it dependency developed how much tolerance you ve developed and all these factors come together to determine to sober your withdrawal symptoms are yes you know most movies the glamorize heroin for a little while, but then will also show the dark side, like you said, and usually will include a kicking heroin seen yet the very same, very famously in train spotting when he rattles off that lists locked himself in, apartment. Macgregor enlists out other things that he needs to successfully kick more, does a very funny,

It is pulled up here, music to motto, soup, tint, INDIGO mushroom soup, eight tens of obey consumption. Cold ice cream, vanilla, one large tub of Is he a milk? One bottle of heroin piracy them all mouthwash vitamins, mineral water, Lucas aid, pornography, one matter one bucket for urine, one for feces and one for barometers. Yes, possibly for a while the withdraw gets so bad that you just can't get out of bed to two poop or p or vampire, but you, still going to vomit improve withdrawal. Symptoms kick in terrible diarrhoea, terrible vomiting and it's the thing is, the withdrawal, is almost never fatal, but it can be fatal and it's not from the which also themselves, it's secondary to it like your vomiting and paying and pooping so much

they can become dehydrated, your electrolyte balances can go off and you can die of heart failure, because the electrical and pulses in your heart or no longer functioning correctly, but if you know what you're doing and you especially do it under medical supervision. You can have a far easier and and much less life threatening experience of kicking heroin. The good news is this, even if you are the the person who is addicted heroin in the world right now? If you decided to kick it, you have forwarded five or six really bad days of ahead of you before you're free, of your harrowing addiction. It's that simple, many heroin. I wanted saying heroin addicts, we definitely not say they more, but any person it directed the heroin walking around today. Chuck is just a week,

way from being free of heroin. It's just that that would be the worst we of their entire lives now, but they can do it. Every single one of them can do an entire physicians practices in convalescent centres in rehab have been set up to medically assist in making the withdrawal process. You know- easier and safer, so that it does increase the chain that then I can be like forget this I'd. Just these Merwin everything will be fine again yeah- and you know you're, probably gonna get if you're under medical supervision, some sort of sedative or a drug, that mix heroin most commonly, I think the down. I realise that has changed yards like so back so now, without really yeah really binds tightly dear opium receptors, though it blocks heroin when you're doing it. So you begin less and less dependent on heroin and then so Box zone is just much less addictive. Rehab.

Form, because this much less potent so you can get off, the suboxone after your offer the heroin. So I heroin makes you feel so good people Don't fully understand the brain chemistry, ethics. Firstly, how that works, but but we do know that the chemicals you know once it gets in the in your brain, the brain breaks it down into other chemicals and those chemicals sort of just close down. The things that normally regulate your dopamine and so your brain makes a bunch of dopamine right right, so you bunch of dopamine going, but it also affects other parts of your brain to to wear, say you're. Basically imagine your brain chemistry normally is in this nice kind of harmony and then harrowing comes into just totally overwhelms over the tidal wave of dopamine. Were your brain of Jews. Why need to up all of the production of all these other neuro chemicals,

I reach homeostasis again so that Jack's all the levels up, and then, when the heroin dies back be your doses wearing off dear dopamine levels drop, but then all these other levels are still up and all of a sudden, it's like your brain- is screaming in a a crowded room where everybody to stop talking, and it's just your brain screaming now like the music cuts off in your brain was trying to talk loud over. The music is very much like that. So some of these other chemicals can pretty some really unpleasant sensations and the shot of it is that that dopamine, the one thing that makes you feel really really good is the one thing to truly lacking them, because your brain is writing it. Naturally, it's making all the other stuff that makes you feel quite uncomfortable. A much higher amounts in. That's that's when you say I need some more heroin and the other thing is this:

it's like your brain- is screaming in in a crowded room where everybody to stop talking and its did your brain screaming now right, like the music cuts off in your brain, was trying to talk louder, simply larger amounts of dopamine just to get the norm. That's what they mean when they say it just to get to normal. I have to do this much heroin. And I have to do even more- to get high- That is what is called tolerance in the more tolerance you have. The we're sure all symptoms are gonna, be because that means when you stop with the Herald and the levels of everything else are really really high in the dopamine his way back down in the basement, and that's that basically heroin in a nutshell, yeah no tolerance, their salaries for every drug in the world, cigarettes, alcohol marijuana okay and everything, but it feel- like heroines, the tat it's just such a dangerous,

game, you're playing there with the tolerance levels and then getting off and get. Back on growing or so the little pro more so than other drugs, even and then that, while the other thing that makes a dangerous too is again, withdraw itself is very rarely fatal, especially when it is systematically. But Heroin itself, is extraordinarily dangerous too, because one of the big effects that it has on your body is Lord respiration. So you aren't too in very deep breaths any longer. You can actually die of carbon monoxide poisoning cause you're, not exhaling enough carbon monoxide. Were you not getting enough oxygen and you basically just stop breathing or you die of hypoxia because you're the heroin overwhelmed your ability to breathe. Basically, when you ve done to, three Dinah fatal douse well yeah dose take a break in, we will talk about these super interesting history of heroin, read after this

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the pain, medication and we're talking about the opium poppy plant, the pepper, some new Farren and since ancient Egypt like fifteen hundred bc at least, people have been using this to treat paying this narcotic to treat pain. Yeah we're so we just held with opium- I mean it's you know being in addicted to opium is bad enough, but the world definitely be a much different place. If we give stayed with opium just kept, it now well. You know I'm saying, but at this hour we do, we figure out ways to me things even more robust him more amazing, and so I think in I'm not sure exactly when, but in that the eighteen hundreds definitely before the eighteen sixties, german chemical company Merk, isolated, morphine from open,

So you didn't need all the other stuff anymore. You just head straight up morphine, and this is good and and in one respect we now have- a genuinely powerful, anesthetic analgesic To where, when somebody was in a great deal of pain, say having their leg amputated and feel right, but all during the war you could give them We're fenian. They wouldn't suffer as much so now respected. Really good. The problem is We didn't understand addiction anywhere near like we do today and so a lot of them people who got morphine when their leg was aimed stated came back from the warlike. Where can I get some more morphine? I could really use some right now morphine heroin to sort of big facts about here. When there are super interesting that the eighteen. Seventy is eighteen eighties in the United States, yet there were a couple of big years after this big big events happened and aid. Seventy four in eighteen. Ninety, eight in eighteen, seventy four There was a chemist name c r, Alder right

and he wanted to transform morphine into something that wasn't is addictive, so He tried this process where he It was called assimilation where he basically tried to cause it to. With an acid to change the composition of it to make it less addictive. He created die, a single morphine, which has heroin and he gave some to his dog as you do, and His dog did not fair to did, not die, but almost did he stole a stereo later. And he said you know what this stuff is dangerous. Gonna put it away, I'm going to publish this paper no one really paid much attention to this paper kill a man named Heinrich dresser in eighteen. Ninety eight for the bare company picked up this paper. And said: let me pick up where he left off any did in any case. He he basically created that diamorphine, concoction and

heroin was born. He gave it to some test subjects. One of them said that it made him feel heroic wish. Is that how you would say it? Yeah heroic eighty are oh, I almost there s c h, yeah However, these are Germans were talking about here, so they love the c h sound for sure, but because I think one thing we left off his early does harrowing get you high. It also boost your confidence tremendously as well, that's. What that guy was describing felt high, felt confident he described is heroic, and so that the trade name Heroin came from was from my dresser. Basically thing it's a great name for this So many call it heroin and we cure the world's morphine attics of their morphine. Addiction and funny enough, they did Zaragoza Caravans, a great way to treat morphine addiction. The problem this is what they kicked morphine. They were super duper, did the heroin and they were even worse off than they had been before

eight hundred that the word heroin it so so I'm in place. Now you don't think about it being a trade name, but it too sounds like a trade name when you think about other drugs at the time. Great, like it sounds: a modern sort of pharmaceutical and well actually, these days as nature, this terrible like doktor people. Whites feel good. Oil was next to it on a shelf. You, yeah, but now like pharmaceutical drug names or they I'll try and work in a while. If they did that with heroin, because it makes you feel heroic, but they try and work in how great it you feel into the name itself like and a name check any, but no doubt I can the few hundred tat when my head and then they all have to work the letter acts in if axes and in their it's not gonna, sell this, like the mantra of the fire, soon go in its really manipulative. When you think about it, I said TAT They teach you how to pronounce it to your doktor, so they did these human trials of heroin, which

for weeks, long of getting heroin as a patient If you had a calf or sore throat, you felt pretty great, obviously, Can you go in and getting like some heroin laws sore throat yeah? I wonder if those still exist anywhere I'm, probably not, I'm sure everybody took em. I bet you there's, like you know, buried in some attic drawer somewhere somebody's got some heroin messages, back then so Bear said the druggist safe, it's not habit forming, leaving put that on the label and here the downside is these analgesic effects last few hours, so if you ve got your sick and you ve got a a sore throat you you can be taken this stuff, like four five a day, for example weeks because it makes you feel good every time we take it for you, later wears off. He takes a more, and before you know it you're addicted to heroin right

There is probably no drug in the world where you do it just one. In your automatically physically addicted or dependent on right. It is do people clay to be true. Oh yeah, they claimed about acid, for goodness sake, Lake they billygoat. Yes, they say that about every single drug, which is the problem, because, if your butt, I soul- and you say, while a big problem, I happened to me and I ll see I'll see what it's like and then you try and you find your not addicted. You like our. They were lying all this you some more, but if you say something, you're, probably not going to get addicted the first time. The drug like Heroin in particular, you're, really playing with fire every time you do it is you come that much closer to being likely to be addicted to it right, I think it would make somebody may be think twice before trying it even that first time, rather than just try scare him off, like you know, No you're gonna be addicted immediately and you're going to kill your parents kind of thing. You know

totally totally: don't don't lie to people so the next decade, Canna comes and goes heroin becomes more obvious that it was dangerous in that it was addictive, bear continued selling until about one thousand, nine hundred and thirteen, but as early as one thousand nine hundred and six there was something Council of Pharmacy Pharmacy in chemistry of the Eric and Metal Medical Association in it, There were warning saying like hey Heroin can get really addictive nineteen o nine- and this is the full seven years before adequate quit selling it. Nineteen, six and then in nineteen o nine. There were but the law makers met in Shanghai. I was some dark as for the International Opium Commission, which ensure was quite three hours was a razor said that you know what opium and all these drugs related opium are

really dangerous, their prone to abuse and its up All of you countries to read late this via the international opium convention at the Hague and nineteen twelve, but it to you. How you want to do this in your country? Yet there was opium. An coca leaves, and their derivatives insults, I think, is how they put it. In the Beijing said there, it yeah, there's real problems coming from these and we need it. We need to do something about it. Go figure to do. It is united, he said I got this covered we're in a passive in Narcotics Tax ACT, which is now these days, called the Harrison ACT in it. Basically is I wish the war on drugs as we understand it today way back and nineteen fourteen. Do you remember, see I dosing, LSD. Unsuspecting Americans are those three of us all. I do I one of the best do remember George White, like the guy, who is actually running like the the experience he Was one of those early drugs

since narcotics agents who was you know, beating up attics because of the Harrison actor basically gave him the permission to one. Things about the Harrison ACT that was so insidious aside from the fact that they, the kind of promoted this whole this air of propaganda like lying to people like you know, telling people if you're, if your wife tries here, when she's gonna run off with her. You know a black eyes Something like that. Like that kind, that level of propaganda of the others certain groups with certain drugs to scare other people. Taking those drugs? This horrific stuff that it also pay is said almost Sadly, diction is not a disease, so You can no longer use these drugs to help somebody kick these drugs so die your started going to prison like trying to help people kick heroin,

by giving them like a heroine, regimen dignity to help them ease off of it. You would and imprisoned for that kind of thing and doctors did get thrown in prison for it yeah and admit a really good point here, one that I'd never considered something else about the Harrison ACT. Is you tend to think like the old days, is being super conservative about things like drug use. But before they were made illegal drugs, still there and drug people that were addicted to these drugs were still there, but there wasn't there. Stigma, they were sort of mean they're, outcasts of society. But they weren't criminals, yet they were people that still needed help will, you can rehabilitate, and there were think some more compassion, even but the here Annette comes along and all those your criminal and the only way to get these drugs is in keep doing these drugs at your dignity. By being a criminal and created. Almost it almost creek,

aided the system that works today. This this war on drugs, which is has shown do not work right. It definitely did in that its There are some reasons why heroin in particular will always be really hard to eradicate Why the Harrison ACT was kind of wrong headed. It said everything out on the wrong foot. Was this idea that, if you can just punish people and not using heroin any longer? You can't do that. You can't and there's some reasons why you you can't do that, because, as long as heroin is around, there are going to be people who become addicted to heroin and who are addicted to heroin and then, if you couple that, with the idea that a Dick it is not a disease, so you should not get The kind of medical treatment for were actually gonna arrest. Doctors who try, then all you just done, is created a huge. Legal and moral quagmire for your society, but that's what it did, but there are some

This is by heroin will probably always stick around, and that is first of all, very easy to make great Yeah, I mean you're sort of it. I mean it's like with most drugs you're in a lose lose situation. If you're trying to eradicate it, because you and started the user, and that has shown to not work. Like you said, and in the case of most drugs, you can't start at the processing and either because, like you said, it's easy to make its b, but they weren't criminals. Yet they were people that still needed help and that way you can rehabilitate and there was a can either does did your equipment or pack it up pretty quickly. It with you, it is it's just difficult to disrupt the process. It actually making the heroin. Yet, basically, if you could set up, is still for whisky fell in the woods. You can probably make a heroine processing operation. The thing

is, if you're in, like the smoky mountains or something like that, you might set up your heroin process operation didn't go well. I need some opium poppy those are kind of hard to come by in smokies and you it's very hard to find opium poppies in the United States. Does one thing that the United States, government and law enforcement has done has basically advocated opium producing poppy plants from the United States by except on the tv show Ozark I've got to the point is required, but No, I haven't. The boy is a cause. I ended up going on starting better call Saul. Now, I'm super that that, but the the problem with that is that, yes, we we kept it out of the United States, not here but pop. Hobbes grow really well just about everywhere and as long as you have a country where officials, yours

was to be watching whether people are cultivating poppies or not can be bribed yam, poor people who can be forced index. Vain poppies or farmers who can be bought off too, to cultivate poppies, poppies, going to grow and over time. They have been eradicated from one place or another, but then they just kind of Papa somebody somewhere else around the world, and part of the world becomes the global supplier of opium for heroin processing. Yeah I mean for most of the nineteenth century. China was the big leader in opium exports with India, and then World WAR two comes along the drug. Can it shuts down, because shipping is just super restricted. Communist, he takes over in China and they said none Anna we're not gonna when I do this anymore, and they cannot stop. There the effective in China isn't a big pm supplier ever since then, but then move to was called the golden triangle, which is louse

a minimum in Thailand. As well as the Golden Crescent, which is a different part the Middle EAST, but mainly if we're talking opium production, we're talking about Afghanistan. And when the United States invaded Afghanistan like one of them, one of sidelines it was doing was destroyed. Opium opium fields, Yes, it worked for a little while, but not really like. We were carrying out drone strike son when processing facilities and basically did nothing to do. The heroin trade and then, as fewer and fewer. U S. Troops were in Afghanistan, the the Heroin, just came back, opium poppies came back and heroin processing came back even more than the United States military was effective Taliban had been more reactive before that unite, They went into Afghanistan when the Taliban and basically rule Ghana stand

It was very little. Opium production going on in actually ink these were the EU. The United States is there and then after the United States, basically left Afghanistan when the town and came back they world it was like. Tell free and easy. They said looking the other way on opium production make money on exactly so. That's an thing. That's sleep use kind of frequently like where, if you are buying heroin probably funding it a terrorist group? It sounds ridiculous made up, but its action probably true, depending on where you are in the world if you're in the United States, you're, probably funding a vicious drug cartel, because most of the opium. That's me It's way as heroin into the: U S comes from Mexico in Colombia. But I didn't write, yeah and other ninety percent of the global heroin supplies coming from Afghanistan right now, but, like we said you know you used to

in one area, its pop up in another it some. It's very simple of supply and demand in its never gonna change. Ed, in fact that this is, he should the totally trademark this line. He said a war on drugs is like a war on water. When you it's going to reign tomorrow. Did he make that up I don't know I've never heard it before. So, let's say he read really crystallizes it yeah. It's good writer for Should we should we take our final breaker? You ubetcha will be back with more heroin right after this. This episode sponsored by the judge m by powered card from capital, one, the hustle is real overflowing schedules

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You see mention war to check in that. Almost entirely shut down, because shipping was so restricted during wars. To everybody was watching every ship, not just the United States, watching suppose, coming in country. People are watching it going from one place to another. It might get to repeat it was really tough to smuggle things during war, world WAR two- and I read that same things going on now because of the corona virus pandemic. The interesting because of things like term place, orders or restricted travel that way way harder to smuggle or even this go score, It was before the pandemic and, as a result,

think a heroine drought has is coming on or has already started, and so prices are going to rise and probably more and more people who were acted too heroin before the pandemic will come. The pandemic, not not Directed to heroin anymore, but like they gave try another really into that of Europe older Kemal Montoni bit about the Heroin plus Tylenol called medicine, the very first my memory. It's been awhile, well those I can't remember- I think it has a name like a dog- and her drug or whatever, which was basically Heroin Internal Tylenol, call medicine mixed, and he D says this is pretty early in his many career when he was just doing stand up, but he deserves funny bit about the fact that a year you know, you're already doing here, ended in his voice and everything is too so perfect you're already doing heroin. I love that guy he's one of my favorite people on the planet he's great music

movie star. Now he is a gift for him. Glad for him. He's he's a good dude. He did One of our variety shows that the time he did killed it everybody, that night. If I remember correctly, yeah that was really good shape, has a lot Josh Biermann in soon, maybe Nixon performed so did Hampton Yount did some killer stand up? That's right, We all know Johnny. I really really we had made the mayo did a little memory palace live to Europe and why there you see be group. I want to say raw high, but it wasn't. Rawhide wasn't Comanche, boy convoy. Do we have all of them on one stage he has steered one night large unaware. That was a great show Each other than even need us. We were barely there. We launched a million careers that night,

all right, so we were talking about supply and demand that is always going, the problem with the war on drugs, because, like you said you can't arrest, go into not wanting to do drugs. This just proven be a deterrent when people want to do drugs are gonna, find them and they're gonna do I'm the supply it is hard to eradicate because of all the things we mentioned, you can't wipe out all the if the demand there than they're gonna find places where the government is bribable or weak enough to plant those poppy fields right, and as long as there are desperate people and poor people, or people that are attics then there will be drug mules and people that are willing to either willing the smuggling of drugs or a cartel who will hold your family hostage to force you to smuggle those drugs

Imagine there being your reality today like right now, I'm in like you're running across like a desert right now with a bunch of heroin on you, because your wife, It is being held hostage, your wife and kid. Like that's happening to you right, the second. There happens to be devastating times, legged, so rare. And especially here like in the United States, is dislike. Such a remote worry that there's no reason to lose any sleep over for you. You don't forget. The person that is actually happening to right now, unlike what what what they mean. Be thinking during that run across the desert. Like us, dressed out or they like bordered. What's going through their head it just, I can't imagine what it would be like to actually be in a situation like when I imagine it. I imagine it as you do like experience. A movie adhere moat, it's it's fictitious. It: some fantasy these characters, but when, when I can, give my brain just right.

It's a little bit of it. Floods in it's just overwhelming how nuts in horrific that without experience would be. Yes, Think that something that lobbying Think if you're, if you ever what drug addiction you're not considering a lot of things, but certainly one thing. That's probably the last thing you are considering is how it got to you how it got to your dealer and the devastation that it is rigged along the way in em right now that it is absolutely true. I think this is an excellent point for people who remember so Ed wrapped up this risk. With something I never really thought about. About marijuana being a gate a drug he talked about that in a lot of people scoffer that notion, but he makes a case here that kind of make sense that system with marijuana, nineteen fortys and fifty's especially in the in urban areas and with with joy

clubs and jazz musicians, that kind of set up assist, We're here could find a pretty easy entry point yeah, because It was coming in largely from in the beginning of the twentieth century. Up to them, first stir well the forties, it is so. The beginning of the twentyth century was interrupted by war were too and then he came back with a vengeance in the forties and fifties and is being imported largely by asian people who didn't know. Go outside of their community, so they figure how to connect with the jazz musicians, who already had pot friends, in the jail musician, started turning their pot friends on friends onto Heroin and part of the reason why Heroin was able to kind of make such entre into american culture, especially through this rule, was there These people were not they weren't drug, nay, they used pot before they smoke part all the time. They knew for a fact that it wasn't

directive. It didn't turn you into a fiend like had been depicted hysterically in the sky. Propaganda against pot, and so All the warnings against heroin were probably just when full of hot air get, and it just turns right They happen to be wrong. Sign time, yeah enemy near the jasmine was rife with heroin abuse, MILES Davis Syn, Charlie, Parker and Re Charles Ray Charles totally its car, yes, but yeah. He counts remember when Philip Seymour Hoffman when he died of a fatal overdose, I know that they, I depended on a jazz guy. Is his dealer really get super kind, a throwback thing. Even still. Today there like a jazz people, can be trusted. They love Heroin, Billie Holiday was fully addicted when it was. It was all over the jazz community yeah because again

So this is one of the things we try once tried twice and all of a sudden you're doing it a lot more and you have to do more more more and it's all around you and every they seem to be having a good time, despite puking their guts out first year, you might give it a try. That's just super interesting. The idea that that pot was connected as like this, this gateway for America. Sue harrowing cause. There's just such worlds. Apart, yeah, alcohol. I mean if you look at the history of jazz heroin and cirrhosis earth like two of the biggest factors and to killing off jazz musicians, yet true, dad allow interesting one thing, we don't really touch on while two things one the the epidemic go fetch laced heroin, which appear if you're buying that on purpose it might be sold, tea was magic or by ice.

Federal, is about twenty five to fifty times stronger than heroin. So the fatal doses much much much lower I'd takes way less to kill. You right if you dont, know that you're buying Federalist Heroin you're doing your regular dose of heroin. That fennel can very easily kill you. In that happens, a lot is happening or more no idea whose doing it they think it might be coming from China. But who knows what the deal is with that, but that's one big problem with Heroin action. Is you my overdose? You, though, The likelihood of you overdosing with the introduction of fat knows way higher than it was before. I think the whole thing really started to pick up steam about two thousand. Thirteen and then the whole reason there's a hair an epidemic right now in the United States. Chuck is because the a few farm accompanies God America, in large part of the world hooked on open. We'd pain killers like oxy cotton.

And the government said. While this is a real problem, we need to get everybody off of opium AIDS so produce farmer. You need to make this actually cotton impasse. All too injector shorter, wherever they did, they made oxy kind so that when you crushed it, it turned into a gel that you couldn't do anything with and nobody He could get high off of ox economy anymore. He couldn't find it was too expensive. It is impossible to get but her when suddenly made a huge advance and it was cheaper. It did the trick You can find it just about everywhere and now all the sudden combined, the two thousand and eight recession and all of the despair that that generated. There's a heroin epidemic in the United States that still raging and going strong, and we have a lot of those pharmaceutical companies and the agencies that are supposed to regulate them more closely to to blame for that. Yeah remembering knowledge. There was a One year private. Even a year but like one sees,

where heroin cannot came through town in in my crew by not much closer. None of them did it, but A new person through a person who had you know known like very loose. We socially, that she o deed and died from heroin during this, like several months, period. While I remember it was being talked about a lot in it. Just around and people were doing it. And it never invaded my inner circle, but I just remember that was a kind of a scary time in college Can a blue through and then can a blue back out again. It wasn't like him, I am sure there are always people that we're doing here at some point in Athens, but it was like for a little while, yet knows it was always very hard to find, is basically non existent when I got a feeling here, you know, and then it started to really pick up steam in, like the mid two thousand arts. I think it's weird, but yeah that's

yeah Heroin is a demon chuck, it is a demon, and this girl was she was back, probably twenty, two years old. What a waste man said Well, that's heroin, everybody don't do it, don't you know it just don't, just go your whole life saying, never done heroin, Numb all good sing out on that. Much. Ok! Ok, since I said that it's time for this phenomenon, this is about, we heard a lot about peanut butter that has proven to be quite a popular. Somewhat divisive podcast we did hear from most people that said, yeah outside of a lot of people. Think peanut butter is weird we did hear from you people in England and elsewhere. There are like what are you Talkin George. I love peanut butter, yelling few people yet felt fairly anecdotal

but this is about neither of those services from Daniel Votes in Louisville he's a Danielson. Hey guys been listening for years. All the great podcast arising recently was in a peanut butter and was great entertained as a lifelong peanut butter Lubber GIF is my brain of choice Jim me to try peanut butter, Mayo Sandwich, which was ok to put more male on their next time. Yes, you do. We have from some peanut butter. Man is people. He tried it. Like mad and really like it. I didn't get it so maybe it's just me While listening I couldn't help but think of the color blind spot, guess you did and I'll call it was, or something be explained to me, but frankly, nobody ever cared to do so and- much as I love to learn. It never crossed my mind to learn about. It may be wondering why show about peanut butter triggered color blindness turns out the rest of it things peanut butter is brown.

Cannot imagine opening a job, delicious, green peanut butter and seeing a nasty brown substance, I'm doing something I want to think about eating. Sometimes somehow I thought for eighteen years, for anyone knew the truth, peanut butter was green. Forty one told him that right still get teased about in peanut butter is green, but to me it is green is green, gets reality really is just perception today's enemy that the world can be seen so differently through every single persons eyes. Who knows how many different Where's the peanut butter. There are out there thanks for the show guys you keep my days interesting and entertaining p. Yes, your marathon podcast, yes, me know what you expect from first marathon, scare me to death, but I did finish without the info can issues that some people go through during a race. Congratulations,

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