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again it's done grenade you every day we get lots of stuff grenades. They clear outline of what happened he cleared out earlier overnight last night. I think better of people getting a MAC or not. It is so shady they cleared out overnight. It happens apparently set up will occupy Wall Street in particular still pretty well, it started September, seventeenth and as of today, October, twenty sixth, it's been going on for thirty nine days, which is substantial sure. I think a lot of people are surprised that it's been going on this long, but as long as thirty nine day seems, it's got nothing on the occupation of Alcatraz. It took place starting November twenty one thousand, sixty nine and lasted nineteen months, the Red Power Movement, yes Red Power I believe this was you ve heard of aim the American Indian Movement, the one there Adam Marlon Brando Help,

by having what was in a little further good, except as Oscar yeah think. That's your name. This started that this is largely credited with starting that so on November, twenty two nineteen nine, a guy named Richard Mackenzie, who was a I think he was a mohawk. Now, I'm sorry, Richard Oaks was a mohawk, he lit and occupation that took over another occupation, basically that it started like couple weeks earlier. And am basically they said it was about a hundred people on Alcatraz and said: hey. We think this should be a cultural centre for a native America and- and we think it should be the sight of an indian university- is well and we're gonna stay here until you meet our demands and they did, and one of the key ingredients of this was that it was your tribal? There is more than one tribe, it wasn't just the mohawks who were doing this

made it groundbreaking. As far as any that any movement was concerned there, any for while it had its ups and downs and basically was ultimately co, authored by the dirty hippies in San Francisco on the across the bay who started showing, and like doing drugs like openly in the in the prison now granted. Are you You too many opportunities to take ass it on Alcatraz, but they are all ended up eroding the occupation, severely the trap there was a basis for that. Even the treaty, Fort Laramie in eighteen, sixty eight said that all retired Bandit out of use. Federal land should be returned to the native people who else acquired and since Alcatraz the prison had shut down and nineteen sixty three. It was declared a surplus federal property. So they said you know

we'll, give you forty seven since an acre, which is what you bought it for. So give you nine dollars and forty cents for Alcatraz NICE, and he said now, let's bringing the coastguard Well, it's for a while. It was tolerated in nineteen months. But then in January, one thousand, nine hundred and seventy one oil tankers collided in San Francisco Bay and although there was it, was clearly establish that the lighthouse, which is no longer working on Alcatraz near because of the movement had no part in this it was enough so that public sentiment was like get those guys out there. So Nixon was like get him out of there, They shut down the power shut off telephone service, a fire broke out, and dwindled down to about fifteen people in that was small and afterward. They could just go in and said come on five women for children's six on

men and Richard Oaks. Thirteen year old, step daughter, unfortunately, feller death during the middle of this occupation near three three stories down because she probably fell from so black, as they were three tears high threat so this is just one major event in the history of alcohol. One of many in Alcatraz itself dates back at least well far before this. As far as Europeans are concerned, Alcatraz origins begin in seventeen. Seventy five, both circular the native american use, retraced before then I got one more interesting fact were. I want a young. Benjamin brat was wanted, now with his mother and sister, no way new bread of TVS Law and order fame. Here, while he was one of the kids, I saw some right so taking Alcatraz, go back in time,

to the native Americans. There was some rumours that it was actually a prison for them as well with it, exile, those who broke tribal law, but historian say that, not be the case. They probably this. What they're looking for eggs right through a lot of their pelikan ink, specifically because the word Alcatraz is in Anglicans zation. I think that's right of the word. Alcatel stresses between pelicans forget your game. Birds, though, didn't get overgrown pelicans than ever but our tresses, which was given to the island by the Spanish, explore Don Juan Manuel Day. I Yola in seventeen seventy five when he sailed into San Francisco Bay, one of the key things done once he was pretty cool because you'll like it is on the site it a decree journey will eventually play it. That's right,

those men Don Juan, I all very nice, very nice. Was that was the earliest history that we know of, even though not written down in eighteen, forty seven, those an official survey of this island, which we Mention is a the top of a mountain, because San Francisco base to be valid Pretty much all islands are topped the mountains here when you get down to it, but I like how grave and ask you is like now: I'm just come out and say: listen! Lieutenant William H, Warner of the. U S. Army was like hey. This is really I'm location here in the Bay stage ammunition, and I have a defence position, so less constructed must construct a building here to guard against the confederate soldiers think about needing all your north and south, but forget about San Francisco other yeah being a part of the civil war. Oh yeah, especially

the gold rush going on out there. Anybody who controlled San Francisco control substantial amount of gold the big deal, but despite the fortifications that were eventually built there in the guns, they were brought there the citadel his what they called it. But it is not. Be confuse with the school wreck. Thea the the guns were fired a couple of times but never in battle. It was always like a case of mistaken identity. Yeah. I grows at or everybody who is on stationed on Alcatraz, get drunk and define a Martha, boredom spas. It could happen. Eventually. People started and sent the Alcatraz if you'd, deserted and were cod, are your courtmartialed anything go so well. You might upon Alcatraz, especially if your station around there and on the- guy, who was the head of the fort. Their best gives like why we have a basement guess again start keeping. People in the basement

Brig, now build a couple of cells here there and then all of a sudden it became very apparent. Not only is it a great spot for a garrison, it's a great spot for prison yeah, because Chuck there's a lot of aspects. The architecture is that that make it a very attractive prison location. It's an island sure the rock There is a prison on it and the water is very Chile yeah and its infested with great white sharks, and that's the word everyone uses as infested had enough it's is it infested? That's what everyone uses. Even sandwiches really invested. They make it sound like you jump in, and you will be attacked by a great white shark everything the movie Parana here like that, but with great white Shark S, father remake the other day by the way. How isn't it kind of awesomely gruesomely awesome funny. Is it in homage to the first one yet

it's way over the top and its one, as is so over the top. It's like what this is kind of fun. Have you seen her with Russia, not good? I have the feeling is for like that as way way over the top and awesome. For that reason too, but ever have you seen per on a three day member. They fly eventually yet the spawning INA who wrote that actually bench Brad. Now, amazing writer, filmmaker John sales, yeah that His first writing in Hollywood? Was writing a proper through the spawning? Had their freezing in Vienna, Roger Eadbert wrote TAT? We talk about net and exploitation from here go to well. You should see the sea on the value of the dollar back to address, I'm sorry back to the citadel. Post of war. There was a big earthquake in San Francisco and nineteen o six, and so they had to actually bring two hundred large civilian prisoners out to Alcatraz and you know the military that

It was, I guess, we'll expensive. Thus, we really need a military prison anymore, so What's terrorists it all down the Hoover said we need a big deterrent and a big scary place. So? What are we use our contrasting make that irregular federal penitentiary in a tree? While there was in the thirties in nineteen twelve, they said city that we do need a military prison or, if we're going to do it, let's do it right, where only Jordan Citadel down and build the military presently built? Actually the technical name with the United States military prison, Pacific branch Alcatraz Island right now is in nineteen twelve. But then, like you, said, like this is really expensive. You gotta bring in everything from San Francisco area. Everyone s house, the cheeses and San Francisco right now, like hey Mister, J Edgar Hoover look over here, and he did he did. He said I'm trying to crack down on all these bootleggers.

In all of these chippies, and I need a prisoner to going to scare people just the name of it's gonna scare people and I'm in level assistant, Edward, we're gonna use, Alcatraz kiss it is again a perfect prison, so that that happened. Ownership was transferred between thirty three and thirty four and they brought the first Geller civilian prisoners, prisoners over to stay and in secrecy I wondered why I think that, to give way to start off the worst prison in the country where they secretly transporting prisoners there, that's like whew yeah. It makes you feel like you can be stolen, house at any moment, so that is the history of the island and the origins of the prison. A k, a part one now starts part to. Thank you chuck. Yes, part to begin with over me, stop you first by the way you mention that lighthouse. That's the very first

house on the West Coast, Sarah and they reveal and it still operates today yeah. Actually had to rebuild it because they started building of San Francisco and the warehouses like. I can't see its foggy yeah and the sharks everywhere, help and setting the down and built it again in nineteen o nine, and now it's vigour and its unobstructed the rights of modern day, more modern day at least Alcatraz. We mentioned it's a mountain top of him in this very rocky, and will they call the rock for reason, yeah that there's not a lot of plant life grown. There is not some beautiful island get away, no almost plant life that grows there was brought in by construction crews over the years who were like tat. We needed tree or something here need a box where some

answer, then they start of bringing in soil and shrubs and and trees and planted a few things here. They're here view those things found purchase it system dead, Pisa Rock, which this adds to the gloom in the dismal NASA right, which actually plays a part in the end of the great Great great movie, escape from out the dress. There's a good. My memory saw the little flower on the shore yeah. That's right, like Dana flowers like this here, so Alcatraz Josh was built to accommodate six hundred coins, but they don't about three hundred and the time in nineteen twelve, it was really innovative because first The island is as hey, you can't from the islands are. Why bother trying then had so blocks within the concrete way Also, it was for the time, you know cells within cells, almost right

you D, never window, looking out the outside from herself known and it so tat. If you want to get your way out of their, you had to make it through the wall of your cell. An outer wall, the trade they also metal detectors, which are pretty much new brand new at the time, rather than the key like the hymn agree mile. They had the lovers the lever system to open cell blocks here, like the head nurse from Alcatraz yeah a big deal cause you could do that remotely. You didn't have to go to the salary vulnerable they also range saw the iron with harden steals called tools. Is that because he couldn't get through, it is slow Those like me, who you couldn't get through the hat Apparently it cost as much install those did to build it in the first place in nineteen twelve year, two hundred Kay there's always a twenty orator, so so the average the typical cell was

something like five feet wide by nine feet deep and they were concrete walls. How big is this in here? This is like two cells. I think, if you go like this, it's like two cells going that way you wish all three three three of the four walls were made of concrete and then the fourth wall was the steel tool. Resistant bars, the train, the forthright and want to break that have led to put that your corny bad yellow toilet, he had a couple of shelves in the back to put your stuff, He had a little the colored desk. It was really just the sort of a little fall down very small. Obviously everything small. And that was it nowhere. You know no debates.

No breakfast in bed. When you could, you can imagine this is pretty bad enough itself, but that's a black be black and see block right. That's right! There is also Deblock. Indeed, black was where, if you were trouble, they sent. You know that the treatment you yeah The inhumane treatment is what they should have called it yeah that they had done. I think fourteen. Fifteen the cells and block and that was solitary confinement and then you had cells. Nineteen fourteen was the whole and those were the ones with the iron doors. We had no light and then they had a one cell. That apparently was the worst of the worst. It just had a whole on the floor did go Poohpooh being an you are usually naked if you were in their enough for any good reasons. That's where the bird man state the whole time really needs on people,

Really yeah, apparently you couldn't be in the hall from more than nineteen days, but the bird man Robert Stroud, was imprisoned. Fifty four years and forty two years of that were in solitary confinement, can you imagine dude, I can't, they're, not rehab in that guy and I'm not making a big political statement. But forty two years in solitary that was just straight at punishment. I think there are, I think, that that was the best Alcatraz movie ever Bergmann of Apple dress. Yeah, I've seen it soon brought Ester s good. There was good, didn't every virgin, Alcatraz Don T really spent yeah. You did. What are you talking about you? It's like a crazy. Had there were no animals allow there. He had that came from Leavenworth prison and when he got to browser like no more birds for you? Oh, I thought he ended you ve been birds anyway, and that's probably,

He was indeed black. The whole time must go with that. Wasn't why they call the burden of Alcatraz because he was already man when he went the algae trance, let's move in the same reason they fictional eyes, murder in the first with Kevin Bacon, we'll get to that of improper to the tv construction of DE block. You just be held in the dungeon, which is in the basement of the original citadel. We have where the first prisoners ever to be kept on. Alcatraz works. It's probably not a fun place, hello step, you should know listeners. Do you want a new year's resolution? That's easy to keep yes resolve to help, protect your identity and personal info with lifelike identity theft, protection, lifelong alert you to potential threats your identity and they see more than what you can see by just monitoring your own credit, like your info on the door. Web and that's a big deal yeah and if you have a problem, lifelong, U S based restoration, specialist snow, the steps it take to help resolve your case.

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I could do twenty minute breakfast leisurely, that is to say you presented like the laundry you'd, be. Maybe if you were the book guy, you basically library, Lotta dock work, lots of unloading and loading. Yeah and also they manufactured stuff on Alcatraz. They manufactured brushes and brooms. But little known fact, these things by law could not be sold on an open market. Only the federal agencies, because the government in want of flood the broom and Brush markets with cheaply made goods, so government buildings were swept with Alcatraz rooms. Interesting. I didn't know that The walkways they named the central walkway was between the cell blocks was Broadway. They had a flare for the dramatic they need them after New York Streets Park The new Michigan Avenue in Broadway and then Times Square was between

better in the cell blocks. In In all this on either it was a very important station called the gun gallery and it was, enclosed in bars and mash and there's where We'll find some of the only guns aside the towers and Alcatraz, where these arm deeds at a very clear shot and line of sight of the whole place, but the guards and care guns or keys or handcuffs because I was a risk, but they illegally carry these things called saps like a metal baton in a leather, strap the black jack. Yeah. They weren't supposed to have those, but they had this and then, after a hard day work

of being I'd, buy guys in the gun gallery. You would have dinner lights out a nine thirty twenty minutes and then of in sport, and then the thing is Alcatraz thanks. A J Edgar Hoover had a really crazy reputation for being like the hardest place ever hear, but everything we just described you're going to go through generally in any prison in the thirties through the sixty sure I'm bite Alcatraz did differ in some ways. Specifically, it was extremely especially at its beginning. It was extremely rigid

some discipline like there is literally no talking for most of the time prisoners were allowed to speak out, except for designated times. I think, like twenty minutes a week, that sons were right and they are, if you, if you did speak I'd, you went to the dungeon or deep black later on. Did you have no talk in school elementary school remember if we did, they would do that in the cafeteria, sometimes where these flags and if things are getting rowdy or they were whatever their mad at us. There, say: you're no talk and open up the red flag and it was the worst was awful, especially for me. I was just I have to say things that my friends, you. Actually said the dining room, the most dangerous place in Alcatraz. I would imagine because the cards in there and they had have you ever been no I'd like to go

they have on the wall of the dining room. They have a where they kept denies the knife rack they head but what it outlines in the shape of each one. So if one was missing. You would see what missing immediately so there's no sneaking out of butcher knife is even though they had that stuff there. John LIVE Cowan Dexter had that for his tools, oh yeah As a great season, they did a visiting hours, or, should I say, visiting our that. One visit a month had to be The family, Europe, unapproved visitor, and you could only talk personal matters, you can talk about the prisoner life there and there is, of course, no contact whatsoever. I think they wouldn't like put you in a room with them. Yet if you like not touching netting at all Alcatraz also little different and that people lived on the island, which is in all our different think, most prisons,

an area around and where the guards live. I don't know this, but without it there was like. You live on the island, your family lives on the island, you'd take a boat a school every day, em back. If you wanna go sharp shop. If you want some smokes whatever you take a boat and back, if you will use up your razor any day, shave. You tell your old razor in the Bay scene with used utensils, I'm sure, after their one out, not from washing retirement, Mister, Thornton, elevator, anything repair, the idea in the kitchen allowed to have two for really good reasons, because you don't want to convict getting their hands on one in them, pretending that they they're gonna shoot a guard with it with the captain. And magazines had to be carefully patrol. They did prisoners looking at sexy things or reading about

events at all, or sex or crime, as are two things that the prisoners were not allowed to read about, which came into play with your buddy Roberts drowned. What the Bergman when he was not allowed to read his biography earlier, because it hey chapters of his criminal pass. So his biography came out and he was Were allowed to read, it said he had a pretty said life. What did he do he was a he moved to Alaska and took up with in the past industry with one particular lady of the night. You though, he went to go for it, sure, at one point from this dude who didn't pay her a scuffle broke out and he was killed- and he turn himself in with the guns? Have you I did this and but took them from his wallet, which I think trumped up to it. Serious charge thirdly, manslaughter

He probably would have been ok if he had not gone to prison and been such a jerk when he got the prison. He was one violent inmates anywhere, he went a and that is kept adding time and having time he kept shovel Moran until we ended up in Africa Bert Lancaster, says that he wasn't like that. One the grabs you did not mention was the wreck yard where you could go. Think for an hour a day, if you're a good boy and an hour week, if you're in solitude, and they had handball in her shoes in chess and checks, backgammon and you are. To play hearts cribbage and that is it for car games, even though it says they played bridge using dominoes, and you could see from from the wreck yard. You could see San Francisco yeah, which they said it was the biggest psychological cripple or of all. As you can see the stuff going on

said every new years at the yacht club would have a party, a big big party. And if the winds are blowing right, you re actually here like music and lady laughing and stuff like that which is torture abundantly or a lot of fun like listening to something superior here. You know Al Capone, we say you know what I hear. So I suppose there you get the burden of operators and the has reputation of being the worst of the worst, the worst prison, where the worst of the worst are housed. Those you know, Al Capone is a pretty big. Criminal has a pretty big now for the german, but there is a federal prison and it was early on in the history of the federal prison system, so people who really probably didn't belong. There sometimes ended up in Alcatraz. You could be sent, therefore shoplifting store that had a post office branch made it a federal crime. If, like you know how, like you like to bring fireworks in Georgia,

I will been bootleg liquor and had you been caught, just just bringing in like a fifth you could have gone contrast, so wasn't all murderers and gangsters. No, it wasn't. It had a very presently normal history. As far as prisons go federal prisons go for the time, but it also had a very fearsome reputation and saw that was earned the abundant never get time there. Now he had syphilis and he was crazy. Used to cry like a baby plus he had made in the prison before. Apparently he was still run in his ops may get Alcatraz enough, an eminent I'm in here. So you wanna talk about escaping from us

dress. He did want to mention to you d get cigarettes. You got packet, smokes every Monday, Wednesday in Friday, whether he smoked or not, aileth currency right there I would smoke. I think if I was in prison, where do yeah some, the do men and the like are now. I think at that point in trying to be a try to shorten my life anyway. I got this festive season smoke. Maura efficient ways as well, so escape yeah. It happened yet there ve been plenty of attempts. Foot on at least two were possibly successful, so the first attempt was two years after the prison started. I think when you still were now to talk

this goes, I can't take it anymore and he ran and jumped on the fence and was shot and killed. So that was pretty easy, as the first escape attempts near what two years after that now the next year to prisoners got out and they escaped and they think that they drowned but they're not sure, because you never got bodies right, but that the places infested with great white sharks- sure they were eaten alive? Then Henry Young, we talked about the movie murdering the first, with given bacon thirty nine- he escape with three other ones. Three other inmates they re were found on the beach, so they did get out. One was shot. Old. Another was wounded in young and Rufus Mccain were private your hypothermia and were collected back into prison yeah, and this would there be, I think, young stab Mccain the next year, the death in the world

But if you see the movie murdering the first, it is highly highly fictional eyes yet cannot close ever and it's not very close to the real story. So don't don't take its good movie them now and the year the trial of Henry Young definitely brought attention to the treatment of prisoners. In betrays a public outcry when they still be out there. He broke her. All he was released. And I in Washington and skip parole and disappeared probably not out there, because he was imprisoned in nineteen, thirty nine. They said he be in his nineties, crazy. Whether to be a hundred one If your hundred young we're gonna help. Please let us now the great we want you you're the confession of sweet. Today.

Tell you there. You know I wrote about Db Cooper. I wrote an article brief article about him. One of the guys who I cited is possibly having been Db Cooper his do you know me it was worth not him area. Wasn't him, unlike that is pretty cool people. That's for that part gases. It is meeting of your article yeah and in there's enough research and stuff- that's happened since it was like a five minute. Podcast seawater in Ireland, we actually did their own note. I didn't like it was pretty you I'm sorry winner cheater. Do you want to yet something that everywhere? That brings us to the most famous escape attempt and possibly escape from the great great movie escaped from Alcatraz, which was really pretty accurate, Clint Eastwood. Now man, I was pretty accurate, riper machine job that they did have you ever seen. A real head, yeah near so we're too,

about Clarence and John Angler two brothers and played by four Edward and some other I more, especially by Clint. Eastwood worked the couple years. On their plan to get out about address and a chip the wall which was at that point rotting somewhat from salt water insult air water, and they chop the way home. Big enough to get out they. They made a little faults, facade that look like that, the great in there anyway, music painting, cardboard near that they would pull to behind them when they were and the conduit area yet behind the walls, so they go behind the walls. It really kept other stuff. They fashioned raincoats together to make up crude sort of a life raft and that they could blow up. They may paper machine heads that they put in the bed every night and I could go work and think about how tired they were taken sleep. Then it

They knew they must again they. I wonder how they figured out a schedule like ok, we can do this x number of hours of uniting us we're gonna lose our minds yeah, but I imagine it I shall be tired, or should I escaped from Alcatraz owing escaped from amateurs? You gonna take your time you're right as they prove, though, because one night. Finally, everything was finished and they were not roof through this little conduit area and I hope the fence and made their way out of the night and were never heard from again a train and they found. Apparently these myth busters, have you heard of them yeah they apparently did and the first season they tried to recreate a cause they live in terms of I gather up there somewhere, so they are, they tried to recreate the escape and they did it, which I guess can it shows that it is possible to especially if you were going to go back

I can imagine they had all the incentive in the world to make that happen near misses the point, eight months after that escape there was a norwegian ship discovered, a body that they resembled Frank Morris but years later they found this body dug it up. Did dna test and found it wasn't him and the FBI closely Jason, seventy nine and then years later. I'm sorry this year on a state and called net GEO. They had a special committee, from Alcatraz and there was new evidence where, discovered a raft on Angel Island with footprints leading away in a report of one car in the area that night, which could have been those guys crazy.

They confirm these facts and that there were hidden from officials for a long time and as a result, the- U S Marshals office, said you know what we're gonna keep the case open until these guys are supposedly a hundred years old and then will closely that's great marshals. If they live to be one eye, one will just give it to him now than they can come out exactly hey everybody. I wanna talk to you about your website that doesn't look good and this hard to program, because where does it better yeah, they do square space is this amazing magical tool that can just basically got leave to prove and all of a sudden you have a website to do whatever you want with you can use it to sell stuff. You can use it to tell your world about all the great thoughts you have and now screw space offers email campaign, so you can take your business embryo it up here. We Space ourself are very popular

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That was at a mean that that escape and the deterioration of the prison physically pretty much met. The end of Alcatel, as there are like it's really expensive operate if deeds can escape from here, come the whole point of being here. In the first place was it was escape roof. So it's just a drain on our funds so as to shut it down. Nice announced the tour yeah it's starting in the seventies right Seventy one, seventy two, something like that, yeah well worth your time and Alcatraz is not alone. There are other Alcatraz Islands or Alcatraz like islands throughout the world that South Africa has Robin Island. Tasmania has poor, Arthur and there's one that Quentin right in their own right. You get Rikers Island, there's a bunch of on the one I found that was really interesting, though is in Norway and it's called busboy

our report as the o, with a slash through it the outset yeah, I'm bastard is it doesn't have any bars? No doors are locked guns, on the island to the guards on armed the guy's farm. Their food is low, grocery store when they get there there given five hundred cronan, I believe it's Cronan Kroner to spend at the supermarket and basically get themselves started. And that's it like that's the prison. It's basically like a little commune where, like you're free to, cannot live your own life and hopefully undergoes some sort of reformation, but there's guards there there are, but they're not on the gone on there on the whole Why is it so? It's in a warns office in its a statue of bronze statue of illegal and the warden says he has no idea where it came from it predates him. I can like the escape from New York plan to go.

Where are you this throw em on the island and build up big walls and just leave him to work it out this kind of with their do with passed away, but it's a little more hippy. Then he from me with a drug offenders, probable or norwegian search now, not too much violence there, and if it isn't just like one guy, that's it that's Alcatraz baby scary place chilling, there's ghosts. Apparently you didn't look into that. Only the doubt, I'm sure, there's I guess it doesn't and if you want to know more about our first see a picture rubber Stroud, who is a little bird like himself in appearance, well. This is just to get article around. If you want to go over it, you can take an alpine transit, not after tresses Alcatraz in the search bar has to come, which means now it's time for your mail friends,

this is an old one, is sitting in the queue it's about Ethno Botany, whom alone guys, I'm an undergraduate chemistry student, who has been a long time listener to your awesome back ass. You guys asked about synthesis versus extraction in the Ebner Botany pot. Yes, what a cleared up for you- extraction, is often more difficult and synthesis because when one extract something from a plant also has the worry about separating the desired component from the rest of the plant. The plant is edit material separating. He read that separating one organic compound from another, is often very difficult, whereas it synthesis. One could use polar and non pull solvents to manipulate the process for easy separation, account oil and vinegar will separating Muslim and, lastly, syntheses are constantly being up.

It's because of more efficient and faster reactions. The less steps in a synthesis, the better the in yield, the better the yield, the happier your bosses, that is from Heaven and he says, p s. I forgot to mention that in extracted product synthetic products will show no difference. You're interested, thank you for clearing was Evan very inside. My thanks, London is seen as a positive botanist. I think, he's a jump. Egypt Chuck. We got a pretty good response from our call out for autumn treats yet they be cocktails, tardy dessert, bread, but have you those nice? I think we should do it again. I think we should compile, and eventually we get enough in D, like maybe a step, you should know

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