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And yet another drug cast, covering all the drugs everybody one by one alone, is I was gonna work, you and specifically on the empty some time to merit, because there you know it's the empties, the bases I Alaska, It's different, I mean there's other stuff gone out with. I always give the empty doesn't have em spoiler alert deemed its own thing for sure from what I can tell you. Ok, so greed and Chuck You bet you does ruin this whole episode of the appalling. Go back to the beginning. I was gonna is a bunch of different names, and this is something I didn't know. Because I'm a dummy, I don't know anything about. I was accepted to use. It is jokes Its way out of the running punchline like have to forgive me. I'm on. I was go that kind of thing I gotcha but I

it was that was the name of like a plant, and it was one point yeah rely Alaska right this What's the year was the other plant, the corn, like talking now, the one that, like you know, the doors took the Oh, let's go any am mescaline you ever this at the plant was the plant is mescal in the plane. To what parity payola threat, but doesn't them? school in buttons on a parity plant right which we haven't covered? Yet we should do in a very bad, another drug has come in nature, but I was good is not the name of a plant. Is actually a concoction may from a couple of different plans, originally it was just one plant actually does the vine of death, yeah. We're announces a locality,

Ok, you did the time wasting throat clear when it was made at stalling. So if you go in drink I'll, ask today probably getting one, that's a combination of a plant called Psycho, Tria Virilis. I think I got that in a bind known as better stereotypes. Is see API Psychiatry, a virtuous and baroness dairy up at that. Man, you love letters and outline the additive its pronounced like it looks monastery obvious, they got a copy, in that one Second, when the copy is the vine Greg, the oh gee, I Alaska ingredient ingredient, the vine of death- and this is, I guess we haven't even really said- dancing around it. It is it a concoction. That they have been taking

who knows when, but since before Europeans arrived in the new world. Sure a long long time in South America, yen, specifically I think it may have originated among the Napo Gruner tribe in Ecuador right, but it spreads whilst the Amazon Basin and today you are a well to do tech worker who make your way down to South America. You probably going to go to Peru to check out here, I ask trip you. This became a thing weirdly in Silicon Valley if you are a young, rich entrepreneur in Silicon Valley that has a couple of hit apps on your hand it began the thing to throw on your hoodie and travel to South America to take in an I ll ask a ceremony gap I'm, I am not sure I mean I'm guessing. What happens is one

When do you does that and then says: bro you gotta do That's right! At the arena conversation a burning man opens the floodgates suitably with heat, had our went down and then before you know it, it is a thing you know some kids in Silicon Valley, be like wait. A minute wait, a minute they making fun of the three year, and they may feel that that hood, did they ve, never even put over their head itching their neck stupid, Rio types being true. If a man at any rate, I Oscar yes, it did start out is a traditional thing, but there's like you know the whole popularity that grew among westerners travelling down South America, for whatever reason, I'm sure I'm for this quests for phone drug. They haven't tried yet who care there's a lot of reasons that people travel down South America to partake in this

certainly most of them, not nefarious her dumb. Probably a lot of reasons were great, but the the influx of war- donors in western money has radically altered Iowa- and in the ceremonies and rights in the people who pay form I was ceremonies just over. Like the last ten or so years dramatically here, one might even say that the Eastern White Man has ruined the whole thing. I think that there's I think it's been commercialized meant that there are still very much the original or the real deal is protected in many ways by by the people who are like care. You guys, good drink it over there. We ve got our thing going on over here and in fact there is is to churches in the United States. The practice I Alaska, diet that that

real deal, religions. As far as the Supreme Court's concerned, that clearly show that there are others, Real legit, I was ceremonies in practice throughout the world. I think, both of whom are from Brazil. Jen two thousand six. The Supreme Court said that the UNESCO do guitar DV. I was a legit religion. Therein, back from Brazil, christian spiritualist about Seventeen thousand that here it's all over the world, in the literal translation of that religion is the union of the plants right so the plant religion and Moscow is at the centre of this. Yeah, the other one, is those christian sing criticism we have like a centre. Dumay yeah, thou like come. They

incorporate not just indigenous brazilian and south american beliefs, but also some african indigenous beliefs are folk leaves as well like it's it's a whole. Very inclusive Pantheon, that centred around visions from I was like. I ask a sacraments pretty interesting, yet both protected in the United States by law. Now that this is part this plant concoction as part of their religion, they cannot be arrested for doing this. Because the legalities of it is, is his equally illegal, it's a little grey, whether or not the actual plant is illegal. Is our right. Yes, supposedly the Its themselves are not illegal. It's the coat the combination or the brew made from them. That's illegal, gotcha, that's I saw I dont know if that doesn't necessarily true, and I would guess if the plants are still legal now they won't be. Three years right because you know,

I make it legal, let it be legal, something people get enjoyment for that comes from the earth. What's outlawed yeah, you know if in joint quite the right word, though, from the way the term, the grabs, your puts it, that the entire world, The trip is not necessarily fine, It's a harrowing cycle. The goals. Spiritual. Journey that your undertaking islets to break okay. I see getting excited over there and we'll talk a little bit more about Dm Tee and in kind of what's going on in Europe, howdy physiologically right after this problems. It's you nature to hate problems, but why is that, after all problems inspire us to men things, then things make things better

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and this is something that can cause hallucinations, perhaps changes in your perception, your state of consciousness, your sense of self, which will really get into x it has allotted I'll ask a journey. However, if you just eat the empty, it's not gonna, have that this kind of effect on you, because there's an enzyme called Manoa mean oxidation and that's it. Break it down you in your digestive system. Before gets absorbed. Does he have to combine it with this divine, which prevents the uptake of it. Yet happy vine, has an alkaloid called harmonica alkaloid in harmony or Cyprus, Sacred Tropic in in of themselves, which is why the they copy vine alone used to just be I but the fact that it prevents you're here the motto a mean oxidize to break

on the dm t. It allows your body to absorb it in all the your trip and balls although I hear it's not all of a sudden, I think it's. It takes a good thirty minutes to come on and then it takes like supplementary boost. An hour or so later to to read bring on like the kind of transcendent expire. It's that people are looking for when they take. I was near for sure, you ve got that you ve got the dm t being absorbed. That's the one to point shrine. You ve got the de empty itself and then you ve got the plant that allow the Dm T to be absorbed and when you put those two things together, the p Virilis and be copy, that's what that's. The idea was that you read about in vice. That's what they're talking yeah and these you know this is administered by a showman. Someone who ideal, as the chairman. That knows what they're doing and their sometimes or other plants it or brewed in there as well, but

not always and sometimes it's brood separately and combine later. Sometimes it all depends on which show me you of what the ritual is like sometimes you're included as part of it, sometimes it's like a thick liquid he sometimes it's a paste been described, no matter what it is. It like around the the horn, everybody says it, it tastes awful so awful that that you can very easily throw up, which is something this in common with the than I Alaska experiences, that from that from the taste, though I got that did that was like once it's in your body makes. You nauseous in you throw up ripe, and I, like others, taste so batting an appeal get up. No, no because then it wouldn't be in your body long enough to be absorbed right, yeah, but I think fit in memory of the taste combined with the nausea, is enough to throw up, but the whether you do throw up or not. It's not necessarily like a hundred per cent.

You're going to throw up there, the point one of the points of, and I ask a ceremony, is to throw up your men to throw up and you're You will actually be forced into this either. If you don't do from thy Alaska. You may also be good something like tobacco juice, like a water with tobacco, this soaked in it for a while and you'll, be the drink that so that you will throw up, because this idea purging whether its throwing up or diary is a very frequent side effect of via Jack, very frequent do you are. You are meant to be purging. Your your body- and it's meant to be this kind of symbolics ritual purge of your ego, evolving nastiness of all the horrible net It's a part of you, you getting it out as part of the trip. It is. The trip sets in yeah. The taste has been described. The New York Times has set its like a muddy herbal taste

someone from vocs dot com to get a gun, Sean Ailing, he described it as a cup of motor oil deluded with a splash of water right. So I read it's almost as gross is. It echo wafer, when we get around and they go over good on you have you know what are my crazy? What are they? now go away. Presuming old, timey kind of like chalky candy comes in a role. You see them. Probably you ve seen em my old time again today, she exactly sure I did so. I guess we should talk a little bit about Like you said, it's orange it its origins in the Napo River Basin by this room tribe, like he said it's called the vine of death or the mother vine, this copy, and they the early on- they may have just taken this copy by itself right right, because without the brew, the hormones in it.

That's not only in a mail I, but also has its own kind of psychoactive self going on. So that was the original I ask a year and we have written accounts from like the seventeen hundreds when Jesuits with because of the Amazon to try- and you know, christianize folks and trip balls here cause, I'm sure the entry was like woe and that's it here about the guy that was just killed. The missionary yes son, None sentinel Sentinel Island yeah. He heat It is like something from a movie: he went at first and a child shot an arrow through a bible that he was holding apparently and heard about that yak as he had. He went back a few times and was like journaling about it and said he basically like held up his bibles like some from a movie and An error was shot through it and my dude. If that is not

like, if you believe in God, that's a sign from God. Will you? U remembering that around the man in the whole episode we talked about there, they were the ones like you, like everyone knew you just don't go anywhere near him and did some fishermen have been killed like years few years back and this guy, I guess, hedge I'd done. He decided It's gonna be the one yeah, actually know enough about the story, but he, clearly was trying to gain act. To them, yea heap strikes spread the word of Jesus in paid like, if you're, not suppose, it's illegal, I think even trespass there, but he paid people sort of under the table to take him there. And they did so in those people were arrested, his family, saying, if you need to let these people go, because he like really want to do this? I see three interesting yeah. It is crazy, but I, like that sounds like something you would make up from a movie like shooting in error through the Bible beholding up to now

so a yellow sidetracked. But we are talking about the Jesuits like having this on record in the seventeen hundreds right when they went in there. Like me, hey there's something going on down here. That's very interesting yeah and even William S, boroughs wrote the yeah hey letters in nineteenth see three, and it was about his experience with the I'll ask a vine presently. They the practitioners at the time new, well into the to the the Twentieth century there. You can combine it with Thea PVC moreover, I have a completely different experience, but there wasn't a surly the point that was like in optional ceremony, you could perform, but the most the most wide, read in traditional ceremony was just device. Of death right here, and then it some point, somebody started. Putting him together in word about this got out in the mid two. Thousands is when it is Iowa. Kill a kind of hit. The pub

consciousness and in the West yeah I mean in the sixties, of course, in certain. You know subcultures in America. They knew about because of William S, burrows in people seeking you know things, I pay Odeon all kinds of psychedelic experiences, but definitely was not sort of in the main stream. Until you know not too long ago, and even still, I think, even at the time it was strictly the hormones, and in just the divine that was being used. They copy vine it well, it wasn't somebody He started putting it together. Frequently with the young, the Virilis plant in that's when it became the hugely popular yes, so popular. Now that there is was get tourism big time like going on in South America, in said, the central part is peruse,

a room, Bomba Valley- and if you I mean if you are going down for- and I was good experience like a spiritual quest, as was the reason you're going down there- my fault you for that at all sure that you have to understand the d you have to do your research into sharp and South America and be like our rights and make me smile Oscar, because, There are a lot of unscrupulous useless east outfits that have come up to you take advantage recently of that kind of western tourists, the ill informed western tourists who is going to have a horrible terrible trip and not go to get these spiritual experience. You looking for do your research, because there are some legitimate I'll ask outfits in South America, but you didn't you not going to take you ve just show up down there and you're gonna end up in some some,

add situation, yeah pressure, so taking part in one of these ceremonies. What's he do find like a legit chairman, whose to take Europe American dollars or whatever power? We are paying your gold ingots and trinkets it is still a sort of honey. It all goes back to boroughs with the set in setting thing which is what he famously preached about. Any psychedelic experience is to really thought into the set in setting we're gonna do this took as well for you so as this, concoction is being brood like I said before. Sometimes you taking part in this and helping the mash it up in brief the tea, but what they really trying to do is the whole ceremony isn't just like for show it's it's part of the thing to get you settled then, and broadcast on kind of the right things

going in like what do you want to accomplish here. What do you want to find out about yourself with quest? do you have about yourself in really get into that that frame of mind as they hand you your puke bucket, although I would recommend bringing your own oh yeah, I had thought about that. I would not want or a raised PETE Bucket Lord. I had even considered that I'd be Bio, be for me yeah I can just totally see how is as westerner you just Billy climbing only the ceremony don't need gimme the good stuff right, but that, like you, said the point is the easy way to get your mind and embody prepared, for this is ignored trip you're about to go on, because, if you just get dropped right in the middle of it, without any kind of pressure duration are, without any kind of assistance, you're going to lose your marbles pretty pretty well yeah

so that there is a big part of going on and I ask a journey, is- is having somebody who's competent, trained. And empathetic in Will to stay there with you to prepare you to stay with you to keep an eye on you. You need to be monitored. You can't be up in like just running off into the jungle by herself? Has terrible things are going to happen to you here in that situation and then help you afterwards, as well and from from some of the preliminary research that starting to come in, if you your taken. I ask her I guess it was the best one. I can come up with under the right setting under the right guidance with the right support both during and after it can have profound effects on your spirituality and your sense of connected as to the universe. It can also possibly help you with with diagnosed Mental illness is well yeah. Well, we'll get,

Us, the mental illness part mental illness part at the end, but just standard- is sort of truth seeker, but its very much tied into like what the in ideal conditions and like the Sixtys and Seventys with Alice and just beyond, but the lsd there was a lot of talk in the sixties about the eager There was a lot of talk in the sixties, about the ego and every minute, hip musician in in the United, dates talked about stripping away. The ego from Brain Wilson to the Mama's. Papas did you know, Neil Young, stripping away. That ego of yourself basically, which which means, kind of getting outside yourself to the point where you're not looking at the world around you and how it affects but there. There is no you. There is no it's a loss of of such found,

that you can only see the world and people around you as they exist, in reality, it's a pretty sort of deep trippy thing to train. Scribe in words on a pod gas, but I think that sort of the general thing is is washing that and you get like a not around anymore and you get, the true sense of the world around you right for them it may be for the first time, yeah yeah there. The ego in and of itself is in a bad thing like it's. If they think that it developed among animals. Is it like that you're since self awareness? That's you the thing. Lead you to want to preserve your own life. To get it from danger to real Is that, like you can die because there is a? U right, it's a basic thing The problem is in humans, as we evolved are ego, has also evolved and they can get to a point where it's unhealthy, it's kind of toxic. It can help you developed bedroom, bad relationships.

But I want to be around. You can also affect yourself esteem. If your egos under developed there's a lot of problems that can go wrong with the ego and so a lot of you All who prescribed psychedelic to deal with that kind of thing say. Get Alex Strip away the eagle and now that we ve got to the point where we are advanced enough as a civilization, that we can give people acid and put them in the MRI machine, the wire machine, and why What happens? We ve shown that? Yes, it seems like the the areas that are the response. For generating the ego. Don't get kind of turned off while you're under the influence of psychedelic, and it allows you to connect to see outside yourself to see that you are connected with all of this other stuff. So this ego depletion or egos stripping its

major component of not just I always go, but all psychedelic, but it is a big. It's a big reason why people undertake. I owe Oscar journeys again. I love it needs it get this. Isn't there something I hadn't realise before Chuck today? from those MRI studies. They found that there's something called the default mode network, which is this the thing that keeps your body humming and keeps you the part your brain is going well you're, not thinking right. They found that when the default, mode network is suppressed in your frontal. Cortex is activated, that's when it seems that your arm ego is at the least when you're egos turned off in your free to connect with the EU, first, we would have right yeah. Well, they If all mode network is a very primitive part of our brain, so very primitive system of our brain and dig This suggests in a way that,

the loss of ego is something that we may eventually evolve to allow. In that call because if you frontal cortex is worth being activated in your default MO network is inactivated. That's like your ancient brain and you're evolve brain what activated in one's ones. Suppressed dear egos gone there that says to me like well yeah. If we keep evolving a frontal cortex, I wonder if we lose our ego at some point, or at least it'll be radically altered interesting. I thought so too yeah. So What can happen to me? No white like any sort of psychedelic trip, It's going be completely singular to the person. It's doing it. There is no across the board, sorted weeping statements you can make, but he's boy that ego and anything can happen from feeling connected to the connected to the universe or the earth or the tree or leaning against, or maybe the father that passed away when you were a child that

didn't have a relationship with or the loved one that you currently have a toxic relationship with. You can feel sort of not imaginary, but it is in your mind, but a bond that they're not like right there in front of you. New understandings of relationships that may become click or toxic in your life right. Exactly like your gear, ray you're, seeing him in a different way because of the ego loss, yeah yeah. I think this fascinating like. You said it is symbolic death of the ego, which is why vomiting as important liking theory. I guess you're you're vomiting up that ego let's go time, only you can hallucinate your death and, like you said before, it's not often looked at it Hey man! This is a great time. But at the same time I think it's also typically not like looked at as, like some horror show that you are, to undergo

although it can be, but it's just the profound emotional and psychological experience right exactly I've never done it now may either this is from researching it right exactly his legs and we never been to the sun either, but we talked about that yeah that when great Actually, we know even seen in cities the different example let's take another break and then we'll talk about what you can t stir with them. Moscow how it could be used to treat addiction or PTSD or other mental illnesses right after this hello friends. We want to talk to you about simply safe, because they are your whole home every window

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Recruit shock, sir we're back we're talking about using I'll ask as a tool like taking their experience of being. Outside of yourself of connected to the rest of the universe. Re evaluating your life in a lot of ways. Yes to here mental illness, and one of the things that it's been. I guess some such have actually shone like now. This actually works is to treat addiction weathers. Cigarettes are boozer drugs or whatever that date you can undergo, and I ask a ceremony. People have and have come out their side. Like I'm good, I don't need that cigarettes or boozer drugs or whatever yeah and one of them one of the suggestions for

what's going on with this. That I saw is that you, you are actually healing the psychic damage that causing you too self medication for place right, something probably from your past and then so you with without that need to self Betty Kate. You dont have necessarily the desire to drink or smoke cigarettes or whatever that you use to, which is. Different model of addiction, that's kind of turning to gain a little bit of traction, but is also very controversial because it makes it sound like action is a choice, bright itself, medicating your choosing to do others drugs in like thirty years, if away because of some psychic trauma, but there is there does seem to be a camp, in in medicine. That is saying like this. Actually, my have led the kind of makes a lot of sense and from what I, Tell those I ask a he's kind of a check, mark in that views, favour yeah. Think that can work in conjunction with the other peace which is removed

met ego, even if it's for whatever how many hours that you're undergoing this trip could just simply disrupt that You know you often hear about addiction being like this sort of cycle like a sick a thing, and even just disrupting that cyclical path for that circular path, can be enough to sort of. Get you on the off ramp from using Ria on the offer him to you on the offer him. Yes, that's what you said Yeah and then, eventually off that off ramp onto a nice, chill side street It may be a nice drive into the country passed a few cows and then sleep yeah, I had a therapist one time that talked about getting off of the highway? It was a metaphor that actually work. For me. Choosing to get off the highway when certain things were happening.

And sometimes something that simple, just gonna click send you didn't like if I notice something's going on beating down the highway toward the badness and you get on that exit ramp and I'm in my neighborhood. Now only thing, and I will tell the nice bucolic pasture it isn t is another specifically. I think a lot of times with military PTSD they ve been using psychedelic more and more, and I ll ask is no stranger to this treaty. And while it is not a magic pill, they are doing some studies on this and it seems like unlike with all these, is tough to get funding for these going to study sometimes, but it does seem like, is gaining more ground in the medical community to try out experiments, although try my colleague to get some of these studies under way in the United States. But because I ask is concerned, the schedule, one drug together, the the worst, mostly is drugs of all

you can't they just. I don't think there's been a single study in the U S, but fortune we think it is good on South America and do the best they can with some of the I'll ask centres that are down there. They like again, there are some german I'll. Ask a centres that take western tourists for I was good journeys and some good So we are going down there to partner with those centres to study people some of the people they're trying to study or ptsd patience, and they think that if I we ask is helping people with PTSD, which seems to be it's. It's basically negative exposure therapy. Were you dredging APOLLO, those worst, the your worst men these that are causing your PTSD, which is bringing them to the surface. In allowing you're awareness to kind of shine, a light on him and say: ok, I'm gonna be categorized these now in there not be categorize is bad in in fact as they were before,

Traumatic is, as they were originally categorized, yen and specifically in this study that you're thinking about is or talking about his combat veterans suffering. PTSD and it's the temple of the way of light, The Amazon has partnered with group in Spain in the UK, the international centre for at no botanical research and Service in Spain and in the Beckley, foundation in the Uk- and there too, in close to six hundred? combat veterans a year and says: is the largest psychedelic study ever undertaken? So, oh well, he has really interesting yeah. I know they're using M M D. I made to treat PTSD as well, then I can remember the name of that. One treatment by murmur you like follow a pan with your eyes. While you going over your worst memory in it Ray categorizes. The memories is less scary, Remember that one Cameroon. What we talked about it in that apparently works really well to do so.

Without the vomiting, part of it that my friend Springer Bucket problems with I was it is not just really toxic in you would have to take. Much I'll. Ask us sort alike you're talking about marijuana like it is there even a lethal doeskin, even say that, because lethal dose apparently for I ask is twenty times what you would normally taken a typical ceremony as the grab stir put it or he might have encoding someone, but it sat. Could anyone even choke this much of that down? probably not. Is that even possible, but there have I mean there have been some deaths that have been related to Iowa scan in when you take a look, deeper, you fine, like I, was actually the eye Alaska directly that cause this, but These people would not have died, had they not been in South America. I ask a journey right yeah, so there

Is it there's this one guy who arm died in, I believe, two thousand and fourteen He was an american he's british, I'm sorry and his name was Henry Miller and he he died on the The hospital cuz he gone. Kind of non responsive and the Iowa Squares I square. Yes, it took him to the hospital. Had amount of motorcyclists fell off the motorcycle in died of a head injury on the way to the hospital, so was nigh Oscar they killed. Somebody would have been on the motorcycle in the first place. Had he not writing been and this I ask a trip so the short hand in and the headlines is a man, as for my Oscar, yeah they're in some other cases where, like people, would be having a bad trip and maybe attack someone else and that We d like violence or death.

Or just this year in two thousand eighteen in Peru and eighty one year, old, shopman woman was shot and killed and then a canadian man was murdered. For revenge for that killing but supposedly this had nothing to do with, like being under the influence but it was some sort of dispute that been during this. This whole conflict, yeah The woman was named Bolivia of ILO and she was this you're too mother of Peru, second largest indigenous tribe, the ship? He bow Canada and this guy, this canadian guy named Sebastian Woodruff shot killed her alive but because sign owed him money. He was there to learn. I was gonna ass. He didn't feel like he got. His money is worth so he killed he killed this this woman, the Shopman this to a leader of the second largest tribe in in Peru and whose Canadian,

yeah. I know surprising, not a very canadian thing to do now, really wasn't, but the young. The whole thing really reveal the problems that there have been developing from this. I ask a tourism first, this guy, was down there and want to learn about I, so he could take back to Canada and appropriate. Culture, nor I problem one too he didn't get his money we're so he shot and killed the woman who is supposed to be teaching him too problem as well, but then So, between the what's going and the practitioners who were posting these tourists and then the governments of the countries that their hosting a man there's ten There is well because village said: there's police everywhere, police never come here, then a canadian mangoes missing and now our villages overrun with with police like Google. What's what's going on here, there's a lot of tension. That's being dont, have any respect for what they're doing either

did by this this stern, I Alaska Tourism and em, it's kind of largely in part because its unregulated, but also because a lot of people going down there don't have respect what they're doing right, but also a lot of people who were popping up his Iowa squirrels. I dont have any respect for what they're doing either so that the respect it's been given to this. This tradition, so many hundred thousands of years of being lost and then You start in certain I'll get it there. Their drinking is so wildly more potent than what it traditionally was all those hundreds of thousands of years. You know the Jesuits version of Ayahuasca. Really kind of, I think few this kind of recklessness. That's that's becoming. Parcel with thy Alaska, use down and sit in South America. Yet some of these areas are poor and so all of a sudden, it becomes a hip thing fur

westerners with money to come down there with cold hard cash and then like you, said there appropriating their culture. So that's one strike, but then, appealed to these people. All of a sudden. There not is like you know, we do want a free people out maybe by beings to traditional. So we're gonna westernize our own methods a bit soon. So in less able to get a website go in, and then will be the go to for when they come down here, so then their undermining their own culture. Is just sort of becoming a big mess. It sounds like yet again, I think like if you're going down there, you're like whether you're western or asian or whoever you are, if you're, going down for a vision quest. That's not that's not words being in a broad out, as is the fault, the fall rise. If your gift you're going down there because its hip or because you just want a party or form of because a friend did it yet

and you're, not you you're, not being respectful of it, and that's where the issue seems to be arising from I'll. Ask anything else, Oh yeah, there is one thing where we didn't cover they that can happen because the be vine, is, it embryo inhibitor there's a lot of other things that can actually kill you that pretty normal, like dinner actions have jog interactions with things as normal is chocolate yeah the because the Milo. I mean oxidize typically breaks these things down and its being inhibited, so the eye was cooking work, its effects If you chocolate, you're, toast and one of the other things that that it can do is so the the motto there may allies prevent your their tone in from being taken up and that

the anti acts on the brain it goes into where Sir Tony receptors normally fit in just says party right, yeah So with all this extra serotonin floating around, if you also happened to be on it s our eyes, serotonin area, take inhibitor yeah, you ve got to MR tony- you can go into- was called serotonin shock. This is where the diarrhoea comes in others the the symptoms of certain in shock, but that's one of the mild symptoms you can also have see- here's. Your heart can also stop and you can die from having too much tone in flooding, your brain. So that's that a direct way, you can't die from my Alaska, but it's not from the hallucinogens. The aspect of it's from the embryo. Why so, when they when they show up from the Silicon Valley and they said Their translating there like a brow, he wants to know. If you got anything, if you anything in your body and the nearly now just one must selected

what then its Oberon unaware I'm good? Let's do this year skip the ceremony. Does let me drink that stuff right see a match. The Sharm and phase out of your way to get out of here, just gimme that I know, I know why we haven't been selling tickets in Seattle. So much oh, no, Seattle. We love s, not Silicon Valley, that's right, San Francisco to we love. We love our people, we love have you everybody. We love our potential ticket buyers, our egos her down in the pits yes If you want to know more about Oscar man. Do some research. There's a lot of it out there. So do it, I said that it is time for listener. Mail, yeah, I I'm gonna call the shortened sweet, but we did get an answer to something remember in the fire trucks episode. You could not remember that game and we got everything from sin city to civilization, yeah. None of them are right, but

our friend Power MIKE Man, Goma, MIKE says, guys just listen to the fire trucks episode and also shut out too. Things all the people who wrote in in spelled it artworks here and then all the fire fighters we heard from a lot of firefighters and they all every single one of them said yeah. It's Chile just did not overstate the chilly yet they're, all very nice and said he s got a most of this right, any time is something really specific like that. We're gonna get some stuff wrong, but are there like he gets it a good job in one of them even had a joke. That said,

here too party. How do you know there's a firefighter there and the answer is: oh, don't worry, they'll tell you those required by innocent zoning, guys listen to the fire trucks episode. He talked about the old game and burns buildings to the ground. If you don't know the fire station, that game is called Farrah Ferrer H building an egyptian happen. He says it's an expansion of changing its complete Patrick. They regains still play to keep up the chatter, like men go, but thanks a lot like us exactly what was there was that I think the lack of look you want to be like gold in rescue was by reminding me of something I can't remember what it was or just correcting. My syntax came to anticipate the social fund, those links stuff. You should know that eighty percent of Europe's banking on the bottom and send it to stop a more or less in thousands of other topics, has complex.

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