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Pay and welcomed the podcast unhappy Valentine's day, I'm just those Charles the view check by Tom Josh clerk. This is that you should know the podcast, the love addition we'll talk about development love you wanna hear a possibly true valentines effect, So you know where we get the concept descending Valentine's day. Cards hallmark now is even earlier than that little guy by the name of Saint Valentine. Ok again, this is uncorroborated, but I'm pretty sure it's true back in the day, Saint Valentine used to hang out with the pagan, I believe Greeks, maybe yeah Romans, one of the two and arm who had a custom of hooking up like picking a partner and

you know that was who you're gonna be with for the rest the year not married, but like all the benefits you know the nature and down the to consummate that choice. They would, you know, go off and hook up like that day, right February, Fourteenth right so well, time comes lie goes. This is an important to my god and you seem to be your God. So, let's slits figure something out

How about you guys, keep picking people that you want it. You know be friendly with stop the foreign occasion, ok and instead to send notes and affectionate one another ass became as far as I know, the Valentine S day. I'm sure I'd sons sounds good to me. Does it near one of the one of the great symbols of our times they chuck as the heart, which is almost invariably colored red? Yes, it's very cute. I cannot graffiti, but if you really think about it, what you're seeing is the organ coloured by our life blood? Yes, what happens when something happens to that organ or that life blood, and it goes from inside that cute little heart to being spread all over the wall at high speed velocity near a bunch of things happen. Church

lot of TED telltale symbols are left behind after the person falls forward, killed or back, whereby the love their life on Valentine's day no less near, but but buds better buds better. Yet we should say probably right now: it's not splatter, yes, better blood spatter, which, strangely enough his is a inappropriate interchangeable term. Rephrase for blood pattern. Analysis can also be called blood spatter analysis. Did you see that yes dinner changeable or it can be called that stuff Dexter? it, could you like texted yesterday, okay, so I know that I have a lot of bad karma common against me because

may explain. Why wasn't just a blanket the statement that, because of the year three times now that I've ruined sixty under for people who, as you know, a thing, but I have not seen season five. So if you're gonna talk about Dexter, don't give me any clues as the workers on season. Five. Aside from the off camera, break up of the marriage between Michael Hall and Jennifer Carpenter, those very said: maturity styles has nothing to do with it. Cheaper released the statements I felt needed yeah interests does not her style, usually now she's pretty lucky so check. You wanna talk about tax yeah. Well, I mean he's a you know. What I can find out is here the show he is a crime scene, photographers, slash, spatter analysed and I can find if that's really a thing so MIKE Mike I'm guessing.

Positing that maybe in some smaller municipalities they may do double duty like that yeah, but a better Miami they probably have a dedicated photographer dedicated yeah. Actually, I'm from this article, I believe it says there a lot of people a lot of people who become blood pattern. Analysts, you start out is cops or detectives or whatever in kind of them, find that they have a pension for reading blood and they start taking courses in workshops in and become certified. So I imagine yet possible, especially in smaller areas, that the people are pulling double Archibald duty, like that Some like tiny, cal you're, not gonna, have a full time crimes. He talked for, or maybe it some local- that's not on the year, but you know we'll get thought that causes the two parties, while one reason

there is not just an across the board filled position or even available position at every. Every police department is because, as it put an article, it's as much are as science right now it take a lot of interpretation and you can't just you know hand the stuff over to the prosecutor in their dislike bam. Close. There's the blood pattern analysis near look out a blot on the wall. He did it, but it is used to corroborate other evidence because it as we said it does tell a story when the person who you love she too, through the heart in spattered your blood all over the wall on Valentine's day killing you dead. Yes, yes, you can tell a lot of things, for instance, this list that I'm about to the type in velocity the weapon used here about in this is a blunt force.

Anger knife stab wounds that won't always gunshot. The number blows that this person now could withstand before dying and even after death yeah, I mean thinking, passion, killing her rage, killing the handedness, the assailant, because everyone knows you know if I'm gonna put you in the face, I do with my right hand it you, on your left, tat works position of the victim and like whether or not they were moved or they flailed around. For a little while trying to trying to live, yeah pulled himself to safety. Perhaps The wound that was inflicted first like this is the kill wound, and I was other stuff happens, because it was just a single type of injury wanna get the bodies been there and what was an immediate death or whether they bled out over the course of hours or

they are the effort, was immediate. Death in the blood is kind of pooled, yet where they fell or if their smears from them crawling or something like that and which would indicate that death was delayed or being dragged. Maybe there's nobody. Yet. I think that I took from this. It was an explicitly seventh theirs you can't, especially with an old crime scene, learn a lot about something where there's no other evidence just from the blood might like skeleton ice blood. Yeah blood can actually where there was once a blood droplet. It can Skelton eyes and flew away and there will be no drop, but there will be an outline ring around with a drop. Was right? I'm? U can also tell from the amount of clotting that's taken place. Apparently once clotting starts, you know that it's been at least fifteen minutes, which probably isn't that helpful, but has been at least fifteen minutes. It's the blood exited the body.

That is just scale died. The more than fifteen months ago, we can say that thanks a lot Dexter, and they're not, but if some stuff more clodded than others, you can tell that the attack took place over a period of time. Sure, and we talked about in crimes in clean up. Obviously how it can harden brain can harden on walls. Is not this blood not you're, looking at all sorts of bone, fragments and pieces of whatever that's an EU that is no longer any files will suggest the presence of of say brain and go fragments indicates a headwind. It does that's a given on your way to being so died, and it also usually indicates the Polly what type of weapon as will see later. I knew the cool thing about blood, though Josh, yes, is that its very predictable, it's very cohesive as lot of surface tension to them

yours like buying, really tight. So it's always a little round sphere until I hit something and when it hit something, it's really predictable happens like you can read it and pretty much be able to tell things that will get into like angle and velocity and stuff like that with some certainty so much that they use in court. Yes, they do to put people in the book, it sometimes unfairly, and we will see that two. Should we talk about the types of spatter this my favorite part the three types of better. We are living in complicated times, I'm seventy rule, MSNBC Anchor and NBC News, corresponding in my new plaid cast modern rules. I'm gonna be spending time unpacking some of the hair is today, so I decided out you survived survival fight back. People were board, they won't need its american listening.

I have my new podcast modern rules on Apple hard test. The IRA radioactive. Wherever you get your backing them, ok, well, others low velocity, medium velocity and high velocity right. That sounds pretty stupid. Bitters the different characteristics of each type of velocity grew bright. Yet I'm so you know when, when blood moves, like you said it follows: like predictable patterns gravity force surface, keeps it together and, for example, say how high up a blood drop drips from is going to determine how spread out that drop is Cherkis. It has more time to accelerate and a greater force when it hits the ground. Then, if it's you know an inch or two off the ground. So that's a pretty good example of

oh spatter velocity of blood, Dr Bright, yet like I've been stabbed, and I'm laying on my couch with my arm dangling off and its dripping off my fingertip twelve inches to the carpet brochure, its grip, the force that acting on this low velocity, blood's better, is gravity nothing else right. They usually come from stab wounds like you said, and then some of the properties of of the low velocity blood spatter, the force of impact is less than five feet per second much Nan. So much that's like a blood drop year between I usually between four and eight millimetres

as about the size, you're gonna get with a level. I see it like you said: em, it's it's you ve been stabbed the new laying their so most of the low of osity blood spatters come about after an attack. After the injuries sustained right- yes, that spread all over the world right, so I stabbing is pretty good. Usually it's stabbing is low velocity or vice versa, and that at one type of low velocity blood spatter from stabbings called a passive spatter. That's even sit stabbed in your walking around you basically leaving a book. The dripping blood trail here should be at this point so that this might be a load, gruesome legate. They think it's a little late. I guess we could go to the trouble going back in inserting it, but I predict over. I predict we will now. We will not allow us to say that now you can turn it off at this point. If you have already

your little crept out by blood, which I am. Are you really yeah me? Not you pick these yeah, but I mean desert me. We shouldn't cover it, I'm not like. I don't have a true phobia, but I mean who, like see in large amounts of blood in the bright bright red and white surfaces, its use very passed out at the sobered, none ass, and then I had to remain college named John Johnson. Real name who was shocking oysters down Florida when we were down the beach once and he shocked the meat of the palm of his hand and looked at it in none of us knew that he is afraid of his own blood air and fell right over and he was a big boy, so he made quite a clamour ere. He he came to an enormous

after that, but he fainted away at the sight of his own life. Why am? I am never seen something really really really gruesome. So have you never seen pictures now that stuff? I don't either fight near amount into it, but people are who will get that do medium. Velocity is next in that has forced from five to one hundred feet per second, diamond are no more than formula millimetres, usually, and that can be caused by a boy objects. Her. I love this line. Like a baseball bat or an intense beating with a fist, you gotta be a tough guy get out of here. If you can have the same impact as a baseball bat, your fists than you do some right or wrong, or you impress knuckles the industry, so that could also be from stabbing actually and in this case, if you damaging artery, something can haven't called projected blood, and that means

your lay in there and as long as your hearts beaten, it's really pumping that blood out yet and it can projected a very distinct pattern. Evidently, yeah I mean like if you, if you ever see somebody carotid artery, he's been punctured and the other hand there it's dislikes viewing from between their fingers is projected blood. That's medium velocity, which can be compared to like a good squirt, come where those ones call super suckers. Yet like that kind of spray, and not just the heart that projecting it in that's it, that's a good exam sure you ve lost city, the heart, pumping the blood and projecting it out of the body write another medium velocity, blood, spatters with say, you're, beating somebody with a lead pipes yeah when you're drawing again to the conservatory. Exactly I thought I thought the two I thought when you're drawing back for another blow out for you,

your whipping the blood off of the lead pipes after that first blow, so that medium medium velocity, which you said, is about five two hundred feet per second, so other HI velocity, which is pretty much a gunshot wound. Nets more than a hundred feet per second, that's when blood is really hollan. You got tiny sprays on the wall or wherever, and that's the one where you gonna, find like tissue him in bone. Usually along with the blood. Chances are less than one millimetre in diameter and Neither have you can have front spatters back. Spatters are both if the bullet goes through. You you're gonna, both yeah annex, I think about illegal anytime. You see somebody get shot like the blood. Almost doesn't spatter likes ill distorts soaking

sure. Do something like that? Look behind you, you look behind all of a sudden. There is a huge hole. Cusack invitation for metal jacket comes to mind grass, so you have seen gruesome things well, yeah What is your major malfunction? my favorite thing in this on this page was the the bit about internal muzzle, staining instilling sick stuff, but pretty often too If, basically in I guess it can happen in any kind of gun, shot it's close, but if I have a real close, think of an execution style, murder sure like when the mobster says we need to whack Jimmy two feet. I guess two feet would be normal, but if that is the most nondescript gangsters, exactly which one again, so they put the gun like up to his head and in that case the skin, if there is still a body. Burns from the gunpowder and the inside of the most.

Because of the cooling of the explosive gas used and actually suck blood back inside of the gun near the spray. That fine myth. So if you're lucky enough to get a whole again and again, swarthy inside me like this, is Jimmy TV to blood and then sell your muzzle your buddy. That's why you just thrown in the EAST River yeah or use the pillar method, don't jumpy cheap. While we just give advice to murderers here, it's weird and yes, we did. I've, never done this before The other thing I assure you, haven't the other thing that they can look for. Is you can use brass, not call this is a void and avoid is where I would say I were to kill somebody in the blood sprang on me and the war. Behind me. There will be a unilever handsome They were not an outline of a body like a cartoon, but there will be a void there where they said. You know something

but he got in the way of the blue blood spot or go find me that shirt which is now in the trash can justify me that last chance garage had recovered. Would that be bad news? I love that had said shock you seen Dexter. We talked about this ring cinema yeah. I have to accept, receives environment Odessa. I thought you might like all crime on a scene. Each episode gotcha sight. It was surely you seen. Then at least I know for a fact in at least one episode he's messing with like these red string there in the room, when our department really gets involved, yeah

It was so that this you can- and you can imagine check this- is a very painstaking process near their departments. Each of these lines, that is, for the art, apart, as happens, a real life in its method of figuring out the angle of the path of blood. Yeah thought this might be outdated, but they still use it. Sometimes they do a bullet. There is something that the article I thought left out and it was the importance of determining the angle it just went into. How will we figure out angles? I answer, but the there's a lot of import in figuring out. What angle these this blood spray travel travelled right, yeah cause it I'll. Tell you a lot of times. You know that the person who fired the weapon was probably smaller than six feet, because the

and was it a certain level give running or was it a man? Was it likely a man? Was it likely? A woman raised on the high right now is the if, if it's a downward angle than that, my corroborate the idea that this person was killed, execution style, which juries like to hear about it? That's going on. That's like get on your knees, everything usually at its pretty cold blooded the arm. If somebody's pleading self defence and said there on the floor and upward angle, I would, with corruption, there were in, might you know, get them off in their self defense plea. There's a lot of reasons. Why figuring out that angle is, is very important right agreed and it also possibly the most scientific of blood pattern, analysis math, heavy trigonometry heavy. Here we tried we. So we try to find a math heavy, and I made the mistake of emailing our editorial departments to get someone to describe it and thought and when we're all none of us, like man, half hearted, attempt, that's why we're

writers? Yes, we do so we don't have to do. Math is obviously not taken up here. Where are you now that I think I have this licked by literally that hard actually wants. I read it. Let's talk about the strings! First! Ok, so it is you you do you do they do use these strings. Elastic elastic strengthen each one represents a drop of blood. So if you have a lot of blood, you can have. A lot of strange is gonna. Take a while here right, but you ve, you create a at you. You find a level right like you create a level point. Yes, you start running strings through the low, point from the blood do enough somewhere else in space, the war a ceiling and then all of a sudden after you start doing a few. These strange you're gonna find that they all come together at a certain point. And that point is the area of convergence, a k, a what was originally a person's head exactly right here and that's where all the blood

fancy you gonna find what, where that, where they on the ground, where they up high, basically, you created in real life, a three dimensional model of the path is blood, took yes right and are where the peace was standing where they were in relation to the wall. All that stuff, you polygon, figure out how the person was attacked from what side. That kind of thing so that its very important in that's the old school really methodical way to do it right here, you can explain it to economic. This is for college boy. Blood pattern analysts, the area why you gotta go anywhere for yak. Is I'll, explain the way I would do it Ashworth, which I think is actually how the hell this this article describes. What we'll see what help Could you ok so when blood hits went when blood hitter of certain

whether its drywall or the floor, or the ceiling of something like that. If it, if it falls or travels straight up and down it's it's that's a ninety degree angle. You can get around drop you around Europe, but the the stronger the angle right, more severe. The angle, the drop starts along gate hits, like you know. When you skip a stone, is kind of like or when you spill any liquid notes, another way to put so as it as it, along gates, it gets longer and thinner, and what you can actually do is take the measurement of each one of these drops by and you take. Let me see if I got this check, you take the with right.

So having writers, if any than this comes up. If you take the with an u divided by the link and gives you number yes trigonometry by the way and you Detroit you take that number and you use a calculated yeah, Let me see if I got this check, you take the with right, so happy writers at any time. This comes up if you take the with an u divided by the link, and that gives you number yes, it was a trick Firstly, what you're finding is the angle of a right triangle by taking the opposite side in dividing it by the high partners, and that will give you, when you figure out the Ark sign of that number. The angle and that's the college boy way of figuring out the angle that blood travelled

from the area of convergence. Exactly so quick example, if you have a two millimeter wide bloodstain, this formula metres long, you divide that and you get point five and our excited, that is thirty, and we got out the art sign. A five is thirty point. Five is thirty by using a calculator Thirty would be your angle. That means the thirty degree angle is is which looking at so this is, how check would do it chuck would get a computer program called no more strings. I get sick, it needs no strings attached. That's what I would call it I could make a competing programme. Ilidza no more strings is a programme that actually creates a three dimensional mile and you plug in on your numbers, and it does it for you with the computer animation and that's

I want to say modern. It is modern, but they do still use a string method and lots of times they say that will be more convincing to a jury. If they can look at animation, then hear some nerd explained in front of him, whether falling asleep. Exactly no, I mean where I think is very much the case. This probably why that's offers Polly more use than either the other two methods these days now call it the jury swear. Pro I would call it the widow maker, I missed Sebastian, Madest gotta pee cordiality, and this is the peak and Sebastian POD cash. This is a show of beaten. I talk about our personal private lives two guys.

I am for Medium P, Coralie and ivory media biometric peak six years ago on a bus in Toronto. Ass, terrible Iheart radio is number one for podcast, Zeno purpose man that you go like the step by step might have doesn't say anywhere. I do in the highest pitch voice. You have as fast as you can see. There's other podcast out there that you probably listening to or watching listen people I'm telling you right now this, he's comedy gold. I was taken to show to listen to the page. Sebastian show on the eye: heart, radio, app apple pie, care or wherever you get your pipe half hour. I low history yeah we recover that first, but we didn't. I think this. This is a fine article. I like the way, was paste

and laid out every detail. It's been around. Actually, since eighty nine is they ve been, you know, analyzing what sustains and spatter, but they didn't really start using it. So much later, the M, the first guy. The name of this book, the first guy from the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Poland, his name was doktor. Edward Piotrowski wrote a book called concerning the origin, shaped direction and distribution of the bloodstains following headwinds caused by blows, and imagine that was also his how we get the Ladys Health in Europe Machine is book to the Ladys, and it would be, I think, probably about fifty years later, that actually started using these interpretations, ignored that guy laid the groundwork for how to do it and only for her a beating yet for Pocock, yeah poker.

The physician in Ohio right there's an eighteen fifty five case of Samuel Shepherd being prosecuted for murder and Doktor Kirk. I figured out from blood spatter analysis where Samuel Shepherd was when he attacked the victim, allegedly while he was prosecuted so are convicted. So that's the fact and then it also showed that same shepherd or that the victim was attacked with by a left handed person. I am assuming same shepherd was one the case. Bam. Blood spatter analysis is on the map. I wonder what the jury thought about that first come easy now it so all over the place. You know all about the stuff, but the first time someone like re, created a scene and said he was this tall and Lithuania, where they icloud it's amazing. Or what are you talking about? I wonder, probably, while it made

like once today. Have you heard of the sea a sigh affect yet we talk about it. Why did we yeah want area between absolute zero and one hundred catches but explain it because we knew listeners out well, I welcome the new listen. He knew a ceaseless now. Csi effect is basically yeah juries watching things like CSI Dexter, all this television, ized blood, spatter analysis or forensic science and expecting that. So if a prosecutor fails to deliver, that means that the case now that great near or conversely, if the prosecutor, the defence, can deliver some with bang. No more strings treaty, graphics if somebody getting shot or not getting shot the jury swayed because you know that's how you were

that's how you gonna K Sonia there's a there's, an expectation that a case has to have that kind of thing. Yes, the CSI effect here, tourism, one going, that's how they do it on tv, you exact for hey, that's exactly how they do it on tv probably has the reverse effective. You could also just as easily call it the dancing with the stars effect. The american idol effect like while others were different effects, but they have the same effect bleeding they're coming down. There was a third gentlemen Josh in the history of blood spatter analysis Doktor Herbert Mcdonnel and he came around in the early set. He wasn't born early seventies Gazette be pre on three steadiness gonna. Do he Hauser blocking it? My brother worked on that. He came into prominence with that. Blood spattering nineteen, seventy one and wrote a book about it- probably more updated version dinner. The polish german and he started training officers in that and got together.

A convention in eighteen, eighty three and said to his fellow guys like yeah. We should start a group. We're just started organization in person. Imagine Pretty legislative huts had her convention, and so they did, they started the International Association of bloodstained pattern. Analysis analysed, screecher, hoping to control over there. I think you will now he was a great guy. He didn't give advice the murderers earlier Chamberlain case we go in it, this one yeah your fan, assigned to be familiar with the maybe you'd think I await our baby here. Well, that was a lean doing her best marrow street Who actually said the thing I like my baby, who was doing her best windy chamberlain in real life, said Dingo, my baby,

Try baby is what the original line was. Nothing a lane change it to eight with much more severe, either either way in nineteen. Eighty in Australia, the Chamberlain family, Richard and Lindy in their two kids tsar, IA and Reagan were camping, airs rock another kid at third there to actually only did and never gets any press. Ok, it's like on the other, and while they were camping with their three kids airs rock and apparently Lindy. The mom noticed a dingo near her kids tent and went over and saw the dingo. I guess it was night time running off with something she said. She can see what yeah. But when she looked at the inside the tent, she saw that the four we golden return we called Tsar area was missing at there's blood, so there is a huge search of this park and they found the dingle layer.

Found the baby's clothes and now bloody and arm basically didn't buy the mom story or the parent story, but it was a dingo. They think that they thought pretty quickly off the bat that there's something fishy from the hanky, as you would say, yes, and they started investigating her in kind of under the assumption that this or that they framed Dingo, they actually murdered their baby year. There were a couple of the things that happen was they found on when they found that the little jumper it was not torn that much. It was bloody, but the snaps were closed and it looked as if it had been pulled off of a body.

The keep keeping that happened was the mom said. Lady said, you know, there was a jacket, she had a jacket on and they didn't find any jacket at all, and the other thing happened was the those a witness not a witness without someone nearby camping that, obviously, when other brouhaha started, she came over there and she saw the cops pick up the jumper and just folded and take it away and even cheat. I think at the time thought you prohibition me handling evidence like that, you're not going to do it, and then they didn't photo document the scene right now, big mistake. They basically mishandled all the evidence in the thing they were hit cup

Central Ass Julia hand? What handling like a huge murder case or age death case yesterday muddle the whole thing to the point where those is basically a lot of speculation. They had. One expert testify that, from the blood stain on the jumper, look like a throat was cut and that's pretty much what sealed her fate to be convicted or would also seals. Her fate is that she remained very cool and unemotion all throughout this trial, narrow and the jury hated her. They did not like her. They didn't understand why a woman could remain collected. Schreyer. Baby was dead, let alone when she's being tried for it. You know if she hadn't really killed the baby, so in addition to just block boss, handling of blood pattern analysis or no, no real blood pattern analysis here it was, you know her demeanour that help can victor as well. I once had a movie- and here I have neither- I know about it- for some reason why she got an academy award domination,

but ass. He has to show up and she gets an account if you were punished and not necessarily true. Let's get real now you about this point out a stinker of male streets, I'm just saying she's play the same character a few times lease Ok Hunter what happened to the Chamberlain's too, while she convicted of murder and he was convicted right too, as well as being an accessory or something Accessory to murder Yes and she was in jail, sent to prison for life and then three years later, a guy with hiking in a similar areas, fellows death and when they went and found his body, he was near Dingo layer

several dingo layers, and they found the missing jacket just by chance, while the sky had fallen to is that they did not know that and as far as I know, Richard, the Chamberlain did not push him to his death, so they could find the planted jacket. So they actually said no. This clears you guys. We found the jacket years later. Covered with blood near Dingo layers torn sorry, you got the here's. One point scenario: learn your baby at one point: three million, Australia, now the pounds, a dollars, australian units of money, don't know a trillion dollars were. Apparently I was only about a third of their legal fees, so it's not the happiest ending, although she did and about a jail exonerated, she got to meet Merle Street, I imagine so. Maybe what does she met? Julia Dreyfus, Polina, probably not so. That's blood pattern announced,

There's a lot of really cool, graphics and illustrations. Did you see those year by graphics? We don't mean awful awful pictures. We have this picture the blood, if you read the captain's you like, but now it's not like anything that the average person can handle, but another some cool illustrations of how you figure out areas of convergence that kind of stuff. You really puts the year, the punch and trigonometry. That's what has therefore taken a blood. Just blood it'll bring a bunch of cool stuff, but if you really want to do a good search, do blood pattern in the search bar the bloody bleeding gushing search bar has the floor. Come, it's insisted, bloody, bleeding blight. What did I say what he bleeding search for since I said that the time for the listener male Joshua

this lingering monkey browsers Jerry their laughter debtor sheep loose, not because she sick review both in others. What's in Brook says hi guys and Jerry I've been living. Your pack ass, the last few weeks Lula's if living or podcast is wrong. Work does want while he's been driving forty five minutes to a different hospital for us. Your rotation, Cyprus, support your midst during the monk housing, I cast You mentioned which made me think of one of the patients we saw in the er last week. He says that this doesn't violate any hippos, because he didn't have any details that matter. If I believe him a young guy came in complaining of sudden onset flank pain, classic. Forgive me stones. We ass a very clear and simple to check for microscopic. Would our first clue that something should have been when he asked if we needed to watch him supplied the sample

that's only routine procedure and drug testing, not medical testing. When we got the sample from him, it was totally bloody and we knew a containment. So we asked him for catheter eyes specimen and I was totally shocked when he said. Ok, not many people did the catheter. I think he was shot here. I think he was shocked by the size of the tube used to get the sample. He knew jumped off the table during the process during his moving in empty blood while shook out of his pocket, what we concluded was that he needs when a veil of his own blood from a lab earlier in the day brought it to the air with the goal of convincing us, yet a kidney stone. His secondary gain. Aside from a lingering painkillers, yeah use drugs.

New Mexico. My boss was not amused, though I was just thought. You'd enjoy hearing about good, solid case of lingering from J D of scope from Brooks of charging redemption given Brooks. We appreciated thanks for sending it in its awesome. Good luck! made student forthhere fourth year, good luck in the real world with Poland, for you keep sending us who stories my mom was an for decades and she always have stories area, if you have a good story about coming to any blood spatter story that Valentine's day story, everyone here, rapid, a Senate in an email to Stuff Podcast House, the dot, Furthermore, on there

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