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I'm in the studio like I was in the last one, but it still ago studio. There's no one here sure, except for Tommy Charm, and the radio or the record player right sure good? Would you let it out that We said that we have our somebody poise till eight scratch, the needle off the record several episodes ago younger than was Tommy Chong, who the tribe was to do it now could come. Thank you talk, brassiere, we're talking, broad man, which I appreciate it when we do stuff like this episode like this, because we have to try harder, because we're men, you know for sure The usual is the only time we have to try harder and life, sadly, is candid true, but we,

We haven't shied away from topics that have very little to do with us, like, of course, to be given on how course its work do you. I totally did a whole episode on course, its cheese, We did why non female puberty foot binding. We ve done a lot of us, so this is just an three one, and the same three is a lot when it comes this kind of stuff now unjust, getting an end wheat. We did mention doing one on menstruation not too long ago, and we got a bunch of support of email. Saying like yes guys. Please please do that like there's, no reason, why should presume I've immense trading for fifty years? And I still don't understand it- please explain near exactly so. Actually we have not got me email other. We would know if we had you, yeah because our email service down? Sorry, if you ve, been bounced everyone yeah we're working on give so we're talking, brows

which is short for Brazil, which doesn't have a definite origin as far as we we think that it came about in the 20th century early 20th century. I think it first appeared in print in one thousand nine hundred and seven or something like that, and that in French, one of two things emits either arm covering, which is, I think, derived from like, devil, armor, french medieval armor done up. The icing I saw was a child's vast, which dared to me is just lovely. If that's what they are trying to say with the bra that it's like a child size vest, though you were around your over your breasts love, that idea you wanna some funny. Yes for the first ten minutes researching this. This is put together by our pal pile desrues. I kept thinking. Why is ruse was you Talkin about browser is wise. You keep talking about quaint little french rest, your pact as a body, it's

close. It looks like Brazil, it does oh yeah yeah ba. Does I think if there I was just a little further towards the end. We would be talking about casual french restaurants, easy. I Fridays are well. That's that's better than my experience for the first thirty minutes. I was researching nothing but car brows covered the Libra, member there's, no There was only one hour I think, elaborate, which was one of the big popular models, time for like portions and stuff, like that, I don't remember that at all you know my dad very stupidly bought a porch when I was in high school Oh no, with Adam Food truck money for that big big power, schoolteacher money. He went out you ve forgotten a poor in surprise my mom in the rest of the family home. I could a sweet portion, nine eleven like a new one

that no one was allowed to like it breathe on. No, it wasn't new. Doesn't my lad, he he very quickly went out, and this is very my dad and like the next week he had like the porch eyes on the porch glasses, the porch hat, and we didn't have a very long. I think I drove it. One time like around the block in he was like what they were. Not fun to drive their very difficult to drive, yeah yeah there, about being in as one with the road and if the roads, not so great than not not very funny. But I will say piggybacking on this story. I've been watching. The tv show Red Oaks, have you ever seen it I have never even heard of it I had neither its it was an Amazon showed that ran for three seasons about sore like caddy shaggy, it's a kid who were the tennis club in the eighties The very very eighty show in the the drug dealer drives. This really sweet pea,

nine. Twenty eight remember those. Is that the point of view there were a Lotus esprit. Yeah. Well, it's yet the risky business car! Ok, I never saw the moon. I really did you need to see risky business great movie, I might have a less going. It's really. It's really good anyway, the nine to deny Levin gets all that you know all the headlines. That nine twenty eight was so sweet and I was like man. I wonder what you get. Eighty, nine twenty eight for a bet. It's not that much. Only once it up how much well, there's a range like you can get one. That's not greatest shaper like tat, thousand dollars or up to sixty and for a cherry low mileage went right. I think it's pretty much the same with all vintage cars, luckier contestation wagons. They were into the spectrum. There is about four or five main condition: Pinto station wagon

in existence that are really expensive and the rest exactly what you would expect. That's funny we're talking broad today. Obviously we just one year get rid of anybody who might benefit from listening to this. So we talked about porsches and stuff, yeah. So the broad does the modern bra his only round for about a hundred fifty years and Dave makes a really good point of this this thing has only been around for a hundred, and fifty years has been one of the most complicated garments. In the history of the world. I think you're the thoroughly in its designer manufacture, but in its relations, society as a whole and totally so. You ve got apparently a complete and utter lack of brows, but as women started to play sports a little more, it was ok

for them to wear broad who think in the twentieth century, In fact, it was a woman who invented the sports brought to women. Actually nice already seven, they invented what was called the job bra from two jocks traps that they put together, but words in a kind of funny cute little origin. Story, but they ended up like revolutionizing sports, like women were allowed to play sports. Title nine have been passed a couple years before this, but the fact is, you couldn't play sports because there wasn't much support out there for you, so to invent the sports. Bra was tantamount to introducing women in practice into sports pre here it is in the history of the browser- incorporates fashion incorporates asylum norms and how they change so did the bra

how women changed over the years in. Our own rights over their own comfort, in their own fashion. By taking back Mack, Is it really kind of everything in between the broad, a very complicated and a garment and undergarments is? Is it is very complicated? What I was heartened to see those that today, apparently in for the last several years, it's been all about comfort in real illness. In finding like abroad. That fits in the early. I was very surprised to find this that it has not been the norm that, especially in America at least All makers have made like x number of sizes and if your breast didn't happen to fit the broad that was on you there's some wrong with your body, because these are the energizes, and this is what were selling and so women

for a very long time had a lot of women have had brought. They just do not fit them because They just can't find him in America and this kind of lead to this revenue should embrace making him and also bra sizing that has loud for women to have much better, much more comfortable fits with broad, and I'm just glad for that. Yeah me too. The average american woman supposedly owns six brows, There are officially there are twenty different styles of brows that you can buy and- this is great quote here. It's from up of from a book called Uplift Colon The broad in America by Jane Pharaoh back in Colleen GAO, and this sort of really pinpoints thee what you're trying to do with a bra and white so tough to get

fit in, one that really works for everybody. Brass Harry's away procedures must do more than fit a multitude of bodies. They must accommodate the same body. Is it changes through the monthly cycle in the lifecycle, provide for movement of the torso and arms and many directions without shame, her binding without slipping out a position if that were not enough resist retain their own structure throughout, To beware. Rings and wanderings must not a braid in contact with Clothing must remain as a rule in conspicuous beneath the outer clothing, while in writing with the desired silhouette and must be priced seldom many customers, No wonder that hundreds of attempts have been made to design the ideal breast supporter of the past. One hundred and forty years yeah that says it all. I really do It is a lot more complicated and say: boxer shorts yeah are easy so

There is also a lot of money to be made in it. Just I saw just the sports brought. Industry alone is worth like seven billion dollars a year. There is a lot of money made from brows and so on, result bus, two hundred million of a mermaid every year. There is about twenty six thousand different bra patterns in existence. When you said twenty different styles, that's like racer back or dead, Cobb that, like large category of bra as far as like different pattern, in times of browsers, tens of thousands of them your and each one has a law a different moving parts. This of forty different parts from strap. Clasps underwear, all that stuff and that it takes months and months of dozens of people working other, took to create a new bra. It's not just like a new thing, so there's a lot of thought,

time and effort in money going into broad production and then from what I've seen theirs. Julian equal amount of time and effort in thought going into broad purchasing too. For from what I'm saying it's like not the easiest thing in the world to buy a bra. If you want the broad to be one that is your new favorite, yet did you many flashbacks of young Josh, while you were researching this like Sears Catalogue, Tavistock practising a practice, on hooking by wearing a myself or simply you know that These was generally more naive, in time before the internet, like oh, seeing a lady and abroad leaned against a tree was a pretty big deal ass. A really eighty three should be We take a break in and dive into the history YO lets us. I think it's a good idea. Ok, we'll be right back with the history of the browser

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Road driving in learn a thing or two Josh. Right. Ok, so Everybody knows that as a battle between Autobahn tits ling in fully procedure over who invented the broad and is the guy bet Miller instructed all of us. We know who one that battle, because we are we where Brazil or not it is set a bit Miller bit is from beaches. Oh that's all that in the eighties, when it came out not since then I don't think I've seen, as is the eighties either, but I get stuck with your fellow party really really stuck with me yeah, so the real first patents for the brow was filed in eighteen. Sixty three

Brazil, that the word it wasn't coin till the twentieth century, but that wasn't first bra Davison, us even a photo with this research, which is pretty great of a the sicilian Mosaic called bikini girls and if you look up teenage girls Well, you a lot of results, but if you look up sicilian mosaic bikini girls. You will see a mosaic from about four hundred to three b c E. That shows these athletic women wearing bikinis, clearly wearing what looks a broad bikini top, but it's basically exactly what pro beach volleyball players where today, like no joke, it looks exactly like strapless right yeah. I think a lot of them were sharp, was stuff too and also very short short like even with the butterfly cut. If you look closely, they ever like that cut on the side like you look exactly like pro volleyball players, and this is twenty four,

four hundred years ago, so it see like they were wearing. What's called an epidemic me or Strophius, depending on whether you speak, the Greek or the Latin, but it's basically like em. Like a cloth wrapped around in a nodded in front, to provide support during athletics. That right so medieval times come along. There are european positions who were writing about something called breast bags and there is a medical text from thirteen hundred the royal surgeon in France on the re. They Mandeville said some. In answer to bags in their dresses, adjusted to the breasts fitting tight and they put them into them,

every morning and fasten them when possible, with a matching band, not a marching band now that some sort of a bra built in bra sure or breast bag so too, so that ever again agreed so that thirteen hundred right and then you would think o K, while the things kindness started hard and fast that point, nine and as far as history is concerned, no like about a hundred years later, the the like all brown, technology was abandoned in favour of the course it and then We thought for a very long time until there is a discovery and doesn't eight, but it wasn't publicize until I think two dozen twelve or fifteen that an archaeologist for the University of Innsbruck Beatrix Newts? I guarantee that our names are set

she was excavating an austrian castle, Lindbergh Castle, and she found for many. The broad there were six hundred to seven hundred years old maid of linen. Do you remember when this like this was news. This made the rounds. I do when you looked at this. This garment you're, like that bra, like it doesnt matter. What context you have it doesn't matter. You just show somebody picture this without any prep or any Like that and say what is this? There is a well it's abroad. You say: that's right is the seventh euro brought that we did know existed like their whole design. We had no idea that exists to because we thought everything on this. Basically from I'm sorry to say this one more time: breast bags, two courses, and that that there was no transition. But in fact there was transition to the modern bra that was abandoned in favour of the course it quite unfortunately, really

yet, there was even that they even found a picture there of a thirteen year old boy with a broad, his head sing. He was Mickey Mouse, so those proof we cover the course it like. You said in her full length episodes he can go into that, but very briefly, the core the word means Corpus in Latin for body. And women would wear these courses that, were they had one or bone later on that had steel. And it would it basically shape their torso. It would seem that way. Stan and it would flattened their breast and they were very restrictive. They were very painful and they did actual real damage to their bodies and at times oh yeah, like they had trouble digesting had trouble breathing. You remember, you could train your waste to be to stay. That small. We talk about this in the course of ozone, but but that the big problem with course decide from all that is that they supported the breast from the bar

I'm up yes in the thing that really differentiated broad from everything else up to that point was that they went the other way they use the. They harnessed the power of the shoulder and hold the breasts up from beneath, not push him up but hold them, suspend them almost like a pair of breast bags hanging down over your shoulder. There, you go again became I myself now I've been told not to do something, but these are the great observed right is sometimes like to sit back and watch it digging the big giant whole turn into a thirteen year old boy with a serious Keller. So this is going on the course its were terrible. Women hated them and by the mid nineteenth century, like you said they said, you got the strong shoulders when we use those on us. That's right.

In the first modern bra patent was filed in eighteen, sixty three by Ganem, Luman Chapman, and he was for He was living at least Camden New Jersey, and he had this very first over the shoulder designed and it was tightened the back like a course it, but it was softer. It was made of stretching fabric and it had these cups. They were called breast puffs in the in the patent for the extra support and comfort ethnic that is radically better than breast bay. You said it again, so illumine chairman, strangely enough, his design did not take off, although he does have the first pattern. By a woman named harmony cut all greening she created something that was basically like a course it, but it was of course a curtain too. And the top have very strongly resemble the modern bra. Is she called it the libyan at or

being in her stuff still didn't quite take off. I think because she was married to the corset still further the general Course design, which made sense, because at the time, up until the early twentieth century If you didn't wear course it. You were basically advertising that you were. You had loose morals, so the courses whether you hated courses with all of you you're my in a lot of women. Did you still had to worm just to be socially acceptable, so it would take. As far as legend goes very free spirited, very wealthy socialite. They marry Phelps Jacobs to basically say not so that I'm tired of these courses there there, those whalebone, stay These are protruding through this kind of sheer dress that I want to wear this dance. Let me try something else and she apparently instructive one of her maids because again choose a well. Socialite too, to make what we were

There are the first modern bra out of some silk handkerchief in Ribbon yeah. She was only nineteen. We should point out, though she moved to Paris later on and change your name too. Is it caress Crosbie, I think so or caress, I'm not sure. If you pronounce at last, I'm not sure either, but that was her. Her final name so crosbie idea when she was nineteen and it before a an event that she was going to a debutante ball and she called at the back. Was Brazil and people at the he loved it? I imagine women especially loved it, and she got a patent for the singing nineteen fourteen, and very unwisely. So the idea of her a mere fifteen hundred bucks had who and her brothers Corset company, yet turned round in the next thirty years, made ten thousand times that amount from that patent area. So it's a bout, thirty eight grand that she

paid today for the patent and they made about tuna and twenty five million dollars in today's money off of it Jesus Rich anyway right in bed. Yes, she was rich anyone. She was a super interesting person from what I saw she, basically any famous Third. Today there was riding in the twenty. She was like the real good friends with, and she herself wrote to. I think he had a publishing house called black son, but she wrote for awhile pornography on commission from it to Oklahoma Oil Man, You couldn't get enough of our staff Allow me, as one in other sectors story, is one of the many things that she she did in her life. She wrote pornography amazing so we're war. One turns out to be a good thing. If your woman, because steel is in short supply. The? U s since the war and says you know it, we gotta have all the steel in this country

toward war, munitions and battleships and stuff, and american women said oh great cause. You know what has steal my course it let's get rid of it and did these things for good and elastic fabric started coming into the market. Latex came into the market, so all of a sudden american women could finally get rid of the corset favor of this new. This new invention called the the brazier and, of course we don't want you to be too Honourable ladies, you might want to at least put a girdle on just to keep everything how nice and since then, which is basically like harmony, kid else to peace course it but board every patriotism, free them from their there, dumb social expectation of having to work coarser, it's a pretty great, but I saw that the steel that the course its freed up equal twenty eight thousand tonnes enough to make two battleships and war one and its awesome and settle

but, of course, its seal their. So this lead to like a complete revolution in undergarments for women right so in the twenties, the the the one of the first broad, who is basically there's a company called boyish form which held the breasts down and back into the left way what was called boyish form d o why, as H, form an affront I can tell they were basically saying boyish for ok. This was about the date. They shortened it by removing the eye and change the boys like they'll, never know right. No one will ever get this trickery, but there was because the fibers, I was very much slight and boyish, but then came a company in the late twenties called maiden form in the

name themselves Maiden formed a kind of contradict boyish form because one of their big things was a man. Let's let sir, not be ashamed his boobs and try to hide omelettes accentuate these things in boy did they ever? yeah, I mean in the World WAR two in the age of the big buxom Hollywood bombshell era. People like Jane Russell benefit with Marilyn Monroe, and it's all this in a sort of male ideal at the time, as is getting at is the brass sort of followed suit. But when these women came on the scene, that's when, if you get tv shows from back then or advertisements. You see these broad that were very pointy and I think that even called them bullet browser torpedo, brows here and there sort of all the rage, just because the I mean Hollywood's, always sort of driving fashion in that way, and it certainly did back then, because tweet coming along in the sixties, through very sort of Androgynous. Look!

All of a sudden in the sixties, browser being thrown in the trash. Can we don't need broad at all yeah and then there guy, a designer whose an avant garde desire name, Rudy, Gerner Ike, and he came up with the no bra in nineteen. Sixty forwards is basically like, you would consider abroad. Today it's it's meant. It is kind of be there and be supportive, but also a kind of fade into the back around where they live, or it is like a quite friend exactly where, but that's like the antithesis of the torpedo were bullet brawl, which has yet to take your I clean out if you got to close to it, but this you can kind of sea like we ve gone from twenties. Were boy form? Was your boy form was all the rage in to the exact opposite to back to the twenties and then a kind of swung back toward you know. Large

see popping out kind of thing even more than before. Work has now is that cover by a sweater, we repeat that was all about accentuating the boobs upward and to the left and then the wonder bra kind of really help Murray out along in what was really interesting, I remember when the wonderful came out it was in the nineties, but it turns out that it in far off land of Canada. It had been in then, in thirty years before it is took thirty years too down to America and become a poverty money in that weird there. That is totally weird and Canadians are tuna. To insist like by the way that here we have. Rob here, the bright and then now things are swung back again to wear their like. Do you even need a broad and a lot of people like? I don't think you do it's kind of a personal preference it certainly can be, but also think they're still very much a stigma

yeah yeah, absolutist, it's true. There is no arguing that right now now I mean you go of Euro a woman, and you go walking into a conference meeting at your business in here. And you're not wearing abroad in someone's gonna, say somethin. I guarantee you exactly yes, but so far, so, even if you, even if somebody didn't say something or it was ok with everybody else, from what I can tell there's a certain psychological security blanket aspect to wearing abroad. If that's what you ve been raised to do to wear a bra overture, not do that. We take a real psychological shift in how feel and how secure you feel without it, and I was reading about, training brawls because I did Philip like I was enough of a creep as it is here that a boy but from what I was reading about, train broad they, even if the thing

girl doesn't need a brawl yet for any real purpose. It provides like some kind of psychological thing that they're like ok. Keeping up with my peers, who actually GAD Briar or I'm going to like the eighth grade dancers, proceed six great dancer, something and I want to wear this dress but he's gonna look weird, if I'm not wearing abroad, so I need a brighter so, and I think that kind of psychology, continues on well into adulthood too, so that it would be weird feel weird not where abroad. If that's what you ve done, your whole life yet. And I think it also has to do with your comfort level of with your with your breast size. Sure me now not get too personal, but like If I had a dime for every time, Emily was like you, gotta go, get the delivery food at the door because I'm not wearing a bra.

And you know emily- has bigger boobs, so there I said it she might be more comfortable. She had smaller breasts. But I don't know if I'm going to go home and ask her, though okay, I feel like we should dumb sit in silence for five minutes, so you mention maiden form we will get this later, but they were, they were founded. Nineteen, twenty nine by william- I'd arose and thought who invented introduced at least the letter based capsizing system here, but get to that weird bit of voodoo in a minute. I still have no idea. What's going on there, in action Wasn't in a year from nineteen forty, nine nineteen sixty three, they had a very, very successful print. Add campaign called I dream which you can go look up online. And these adds, which were very racy at the time, of course, were whim

and doing things topless with just their bra on. They would have on like irregular skirt that you would wear out in that era, but no top, house and there they were dreaming. One lady was dreaming of being a fire fighter and she was fire fighting afire with with no shirt on or I dreamed- I went back to school in my maiden foreign bra and it so what in her bright, a grammar school desk, or I dreamed I won the election and my maiden form bra may eventually essays palm she's taking the stage on election night and be these being an old ever as we are all funny and full in every way, but beyond being funny an awful it. It truly is kind of growth that but their showing our things that our dreams for these women like having a wreck, their job and thing they may not have been allowed to do at the time yet so, but in at the time like, yes, they were trying.

To sell their brows and yes there. There was like a certain amount of sex appeal to the whole campaign, but in in their defence like it is a very like progressive, liberating AG campaigner was conceived by three women in one hand, and also it's not like they were like ha, you couldn't possibly hold public office cause you're, a woman. It was like like it was showing that women dream of this kind of that they want to do this kind of thing and that at least their dreams are capable of doing this, rather than we can even talk about that is so preposterous. We couldn't even possibly create an ad campaign, so it was kind of like progressive. In that sense, it's in respect that it's really clingy, but really what you're containing it is not like maiden form, was making fun of women for not be bother to do these. Things is more an indictment of society for them being restricted from these things. At the time you did that that's dismal is definitely where you come from a lot of angles: sure inhabitants

is about it, but we should read that a contest. Nineteen, fifty five with the public about new dream ideas too, and the winner from nineteen fifty seven him David bless you for finding this was I dreamed. I danced the hornpipe with Sinbad the sailor, though you know that means that's another thing. You can approach from a bunch of different I think we should approach a message break and then we'll talk about the the wacky world abroad, sizing right after this.

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Right early church. So One thing that I have read is that american brawls don't fit in that there's a reason for that. Something like there's a statistic that eighty percent of women american women at least are wearing brawls. They don't fit in supposedly that's kind made up in son, anecdotal evidence, but it's been bandied about for so long that people take it as gospel, but are those of whatever this statistic may or may not be amiss. Browser known for not fitting in its because american bra manufacturers have basically said we ve created a standard measuring scale and it just is economically efficient forest to mass produce. You know this size to this eyes and if you happen to fall outside of that size year, so well, and it's your fault, there's something.

With your body for not it hearing the standard norm body size norm. This largely becoming a relic of the past, but it still from what I can tell very much present when you go bra shopping. Yeah and you know I've. I've heard this complaint. From Emily over the years in a lot of women that yeah, it's tough find a that really fits well and feels good and does everything it supposed to do. And that's why, when you find one, you know you order like six of them here, But there are these days before we get into the sizing, and that is true, doing some. Now with these Morbus spoke companies that have more custom custom made Taylor to your size. Kennedy and I wonder why it took that long. For someone to think outside the box Don't challenge to challenge big Brazil. Say: hey you. Doing wrong. Bet, there's a lot of money to be made from the spoke Brazil Ears, the

from what I understand there is end, although it's just happening in the. U S. Apparently it happened. I believe I can the nineties in the UK, with them a movement called profiting one word where it's basically look to measurements is not enough time to create a perfect brought. You need a bunch different measurements under different conditions. You need to take your shirt ambrosch all the way off. We need to get in there and by when we're done you're going to have a well fitting bra in it. Just now chewing on in the United States? And the woods surprising is that you know it's just now catching on, but this this technique The sizing standard that we use here in the United States goes back to the that. I think the twenties, if not the thirties, yeah nineteen, twenty nine as when they found him. In form and introduce this cup sizing an anomaly pretend to fully understand this. In red. You got it here

go ahead, though. I want to hear you do not know when the what'll happen as our red and then yield Do it again in your own words. Pitted in this episode is fifteen minutes longer than it should be, you got my number him. I never have XVI, thirty four c. So the cops system is what is called. It consists of two measurements and the difference between them, so the first measurement is the over bust, which is the circumference of your chest across all the way around your body across the nipples that you're over bus measurement right now, if you'll also measure right below the breasts all the way around your body that you're under bust? And if you subtract those two you're going to come up with a difference in his Orson meters, depending on where you are in the world, and you can use, that

as part of a handy table to say others, a three inch difference. That means that I must see cup right, because that's where the lettering comes from right, the difference between your under bus in your over bus Jenner, Some knowledge about the volume that your breasts are going to take up, which is your cup size, capsize gotta rate, generates knowledge you exactly So there under bus measurement is also used in the past the number that comes before, so, if your thirty foresee that means your chest is thirty four surrounded the ribcage cage under your breast and then, if you see. That means that there is a three inch difference. That means that you are thirty seven inches around your chest at the nipples, and so you be a thirty foresee and that those two measurements are possibly like all. You need to come up with a fitting bra, but apparently that's just not true yeah. I mean that all make sense. I think that

confused me as the sister sizing. I understand that to thing so, if you have a thirty six c and a thirty foresee Brazil, that's not the same capsize. Because a thirty foresee, as the only true see now so if, if you want to go up a bit in size, but not the cup size you by thirty six or thirty, eight a so the volume of the cup. Size is relative to the circumference of the band yeah. I mean it's as simple as that. I think the problem the breakdown is, is that this sister sizing thing has not been widely publicized to women, and that they think like well. If the band is a little tight and I'm a thirty six c They need to go up to thirty, eight c, and that's just not the case. Yeah and music. You wanna tight banned in Brazil as you don't, while supposedly

that brought fitting trend that started in the UK is that suggest that thick tight band is the key to a good fitting that that's where most your support comes and that most women opt for a band size is a little too loose. But the point is your cup volume does not go up when you go up a ban size it doesn't have to. So that means that a thirty foresee, if you go, down and ban size. You go up and cup size and your capsize would say the same. So thirty foresees the same as the thirty de the other way, a thirty foresee is the same as a thirty six b, and once you understand the sister sizing thing, Then you can actually use this to measurement standard to fight abroad that actually fits better. That's right and if you're wondering how this all works, it works with with bra fitting models there.

Women that get paid money to go in and get fit for thousands and thousands of brought in to give feedback, and this start well, didn't completely start there, but in the nineteen seventies, those a singer named Dorothy Gallagher. From New York answered and four brought any model, and they said you know what I know this sounds sex Then we probably even though its the seventy shouldn't be saying this in an office, but you have the perfect thirty for bees and sustained size which were designing our brows on silver, almost twenty years. Dorothy again was the man model in New York in the lingerie district. That would work. Eleven twelve hour days, trying on thousands and thousands of abroad and giving her feedback, so they could go back to the sewing machine and redo. It yeah, because that's the other, the problem with browser, don't necessarily fit. In addition, making larger sizes in volumes in smaller, says cut volumes like their based.

Round, one woman's pair of breasts and her breasts became the standard for the bride. The street in the twentieth century, so that if you have, if you could create a bra that fit Dorothy Gallagher correctly, as thirty four b, you could use that to basically grow out from either way the tray so that's it. That's a real problem for women who have different shapes and sizes and really said to me to think that they were told for decades that you know if your autism, It's some more sums wrong with your body. Not you must equip exactly there's a thing to its, not just breast size. It's the how how big your back is and how alike the bra it it holds, the breast the Cubs do, but you know it- has to do with your shoulders in your back in your armpits and everything else like there's somebody nuances to everybody's body, men and women that I mean think until recently, they were trying to do the best. I could but it

pretty narrow the options it women have you. I get the impression that they were not trying to do the best that they could that they basically said when we really some new broad comes in these sizes, well doing the best they could for a huge industry that had to satisfy you know tens of millions of different kind of bodies like They were gonna, hamstrung you. You can't have four hundred and fifty brought as is in manufacture on that scale. Yet you can't mass manufactured. I think this was being proven. Like your same by this new, be spoke revolution in there. You just you can't a big. Although now you can get that big, because its bespoken, because you can say hey, downloader, app and take measurements using exactly and upload, and then we'll just custom make some browse for you now also read their Adam. Poland makes room,

We really good fitting brawls as well. I read it out. It was a near times, article about interest in the author travelled to Poland to verify this herself, and she said she didn't find the perfect bra, but she came away with, like or five brought that were awfully close way closer than she had ever had before it After all these years, I still remember to not put abroad and drier, because of- the movie head began the angry edge at all. Airport, nine ever saw I remember that its great John Cameron Mitchell, who also friend of a movie crises of printed knolls, he I played had big and created the character and running directed the film, but there's a scene where he's he's screaming, do not put a bra in a dry. It warps- and I guess it's because ever since then I've been like that- and I don't know if I'm doing laundry, I should not put a bra in the dryer. It does to some weird things to it.

You can also put it in a laundry bag, and I think that keeps her from like wrapping around stuff, which makes it a lot less longer. He can put an inter oh right, yeah, like an abrupt like collects everything else in its wake exactly so, I don't think we can not talk about Victoria's secret, manifested dime for every time. You said that to me or many Dumdum, guys colored Victoria secrets here dummies, so Victoria's secret actually started out a husband and wife founded it in the seventies enough San Francisco area, because the husband is gone to like the department store to buy lingerie for his wife and was treated like a a scale for it right, even in San Francisco in the 70s. I guess so. The department stores have always been a certain way, no matter where your heart so high,

said where we need to create like a laundry store that made for men to go by four women and that's where they created was Victoria's secret and dumb. There was semi successful they sold to a guy named. Leslie Waxman Believers Waxman, who had founded. The limited and ass, he turned he took it. I think he bought it for a million dollars and within two decades it was worth two billion dollars. And I'm the guy who founded it with his, why things are getting divorced any he died, broke and jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge, sadly enough, but Victoria's secret and dominated the the bra industry in the United States for many many decades until very recently, when it was overthrown by women who said enough here well it's funny in a Roy Raymond said you know what we need is

store where men can go in and by sexy, lingerie for their wives and when he failed to hear was the sound of tens of millions of women across the country. Saying now you don't write. Well, that's what that's why I'm Leslie think it's Waxman! That's! What he figured out was that this this thing was idea, but they had missed the mark in that they were marketing toward men and they were completely leading women because he said like these Victoria's secret stores were lit with, like you know. Weird kind of reddish lighting and there were velvet couches an oriental rugs, and he said it was by them in them all he very slowly. This is like in the in those early seventies and early seventies and early eighties. Yeah. That's gonna, talk! Ok, I know he said. May I would love to see he said they were. They were Victoria, not like a victorian for your their illegal victorian brothel. Basically in it like just chasing women away attracting men by women.

By you know, underwear for themselves way more than their husbands do, and so kind of revamped at a little bit and turned it into something that women felt comfortable in actually wanted to go into yet trusting, according that book, uplift that we mentioned earlier despite Victoria secret in its history, women have been been a key to the development of broad in the United States. I think over twelve hundred U S. Patents have been awarded for eyebrows between eighteen sixty, three and nine. In sixty nine and half of those have been held by women and in the industry they have was held pretty important position and been well regarded designers and managers specialists merchandising national product managers, and it is one industry where it seems that has not been here's a profit.

For women run entirely by men right and rightfully so I would say yes absolutely so. There is also a very famous legend as far as broad go, which is the burning of Brass Edit nineteen sixty eight demonstration very arrogantly. Now it's a myth. There was There was, in fact the demonstration outside of Miss America Pageant NET Languedoc City in nineteen. Sixty eight is the brainchild of Carol Hanish, who held basically at this moment, give birth to a second wave famine some and they actually had a trash king. That said freedom, trash can and women through stuff into it that they consider like shackles of the patriarchy like false eyelashes bra, does lingerie that kind of stuff, but there was no burning that came from a reporter who suggested that they burn as a nod to the burning of draft cards, but no one actually burn the stuff, but it became kind of set in stone.

This- is true, even though it really wasn't right. Big fat lie Lastly, Chuck I've got one extra thing: you ready ready. Do you have anything else? I don't Do you need to wear a bra, longstanding question and apparently The answer is no, at least as far as of study in France, a fifteen year study three hundred women. I think they were aged eighteen, thirty, five and This study found that women who did not wear brawls, develop more muscle muscle tissue in their breasts, ostensibly to provide support that the the broad wasn't there to provide and that by proxy. If you did a your muscle or the muscles in your breast were less prone to develop, and thus you would have more likely to have breast that sag pendulum breast

then you would have if you didn't, wear a bra kind of like you're, making your breast sink or swim by not wearing a bra, so exerts. It's just one study, but it is pretty pretty surprising. They found physically the opposite of conventional wisdom, because most people say, if you don't wear a bra, your breast will get saggy and that's apparently not true, interesting and also ran across a weird question on Google. You know it has, like suggested searches. What happens if we squeeze, rest, I didn't even bother to look just like question itself was getting enough man anything else the notes but about the browser, the man's ear area, can forget the brow. Well, since we said brows time for listener, male everybody I'm gonna call this more days.

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