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next time. I saw him at home. Is a dash, interesting yeah. That's it! I thought to know about trust. In short, that's cool, that's probably appropriate response of their own. His notice in guinea them look in the eye right now, Sir Look we were sitting beside one another not facing or another, also be really weird for the next two hours I'll. Let you know if he pulls a knife We all know that cause. I just run from the room. Ok I'll, be the signal. Our eye sounds good, so let's say that Kristen pull the knife army now had not. To do with the fact that I complemented slash ruined his mustache. Let's say there is because he was drug addled, lunatic gay gaily. He was literally attracted to the moon anyways on drugs unipolar knife

Had I got my thought out in time and called normal wine in the cops had shown up. You know immediately and arrested him tryst. It could have been up for what are known as Chuck a drug court yeah and railway those. Now I best interests those good ten years, but it is in the top twenty. Sent sadly So that means like about can even do math right now so your brain to show last night some anew drink much and is tired. Who'd you collects ago, oh really, my boys yeah. What also they an iron and wine. Well, they did, they did a record with with them does what it was said: they're not in them You know what I mean: yes, you're. Ok, there are They did a joint jam together. They did and I'm a little tired as a result.

Ok, well, let me set it up again, chuck her well, here's the thing, as did you, did you really know about drug courts? I mean with something that I was aware of, I don't sit and think about different types of courts. Much and I've never been through drug court by. I guess I knew was there. I didn't know this much about it and I certainly I gotta say I've never run across the more glowing review of drug class among anything in the media and the media really loves jug courts, but apparently house of works hard drug courts like crazy yeah. I did not specifically know what it was. I did a briefless skim when I picked up the article, but I thought When I saw drug cords. I was very naive and I was like: oh, I bet These are just like court set up just to run people went to jail as fast as possible I see I leave you know like just was

turn and burn like a hundred cases a day and destroy people and the slammer for clay. It turns out. It is the exact opposite of that yet is in turn and burn. This is like top gun, All the sudden, I am dangerous, So I know it's. It's meant to be the exact opposite. An ideal in it sounds like there are some actual, really really good ideal drug courts out there. It is, to do the opposite: medicine, hey man, you're criminal. Let's kid ourselves here, but you're criminal really, because your addicted to drugs right you attic first and criminal. Second right And then maybe a family member, fourth or fifth, but you can't put that on the back burner during your drug career right. So so you are you're on drugs and your could you committing crimes and even more to the point- and this is how can I get its origin which will get Tunisia? I've seen you before. I recognise your face. That's how bad the situation as yet you

clogging up the court system ice. I've got like a serial killer behind you, whose, like getting very impatient frankly, we need to move us along, say some money, let's figure out. If there's another way there, we can, we can do this- that actually helps you, but that also help society. It saves costs came in the form of jug courts. Yes should we should we get an hour our low writer A low right away back machine and in drive back to the the It is in they Florida, the so first I bodice matching pastel suits. I appreciate that too, where put it on I was on its pocket. He looks like I was set great paper, crape paper, yeah or fish skin, Are you aware in Miami Dade County wherein are Mattel. Purple low writer.

Were driving around and there's a lot of people on crack the height of the crack epidemic right. People are being run through. Like you said these so often jails, are so clogged because these drug addicts are being run through their sometimes they are deal and drugs maybe sometimes are committing crimes, but times. There does boy who had drugs on them and are very sadly addicted to crack cocaine to the point, wait what you said, which is judges or sand man? You ve been in here five times in the last six months and This is no good. There's gotta be a better way. Right. So some judges actually got together and they said, let's, let's make a better way and they I don't know exactly how they did this. It couldn't find the full story on it. You like singular idea was, or how they actually went about establishing it. I guess they they, the municipal,

system gives these judges. A tremendous amount of leeway in setting up courts, on their own apparently but in Miami dead. Counting the judges got together and said, work set up with what will be the nations First Drug court action under the very first person. It was judged drug that's all name for what a coincidence that weird judge crack cocaine! but there was there's an interesting story and are our own article that we should probably highlight about this at Me, David Scott Markets, the thumbs and very interesting, and he was in ninety. Ninety three he was an attorney on drugs. He was arrested. A drug possession leaving the scene of an accident used. The attorney so far away painted a picture there. I think screams porch yeah, I probably at nine, twenty eight shit

I thought was, can unlike the coolest car, a business. I'm is it. Do I look like a Lotus submarine Barn Boat, a submarine headache, the pointy. A stand point is right. It's the one from risky business, not familiar. I think that's a nine twenty eight are right and if I am wrong so be it supports Can I with it stuff right now, but he was a defence attorney and in a successful into and He was assigned to a drug his attorney said we can. We can we put this guy and drug court and his quoting this article says it wasn't an arrest. It was a rescue and he was in his MID Thirty'S- went up. Front of Judge Stanley, Goldstein Drug and apparently like this- is This is kind of a great success story of a drug cord situation. Consists: guy turned his life around committed to this Program went to the twelve. The meetings and is now, successful journey again, trying

steer his clients to drug gorge because it works well for him right. That's actually one of the ways you can be steered towards drug court. Is your attorney you're dead hence it turn. I can go to the judge. It were when you're a busted and say this person is a really great candidate for for drug court. Judge can say, I agree. Let's do this and kicking. Go to drug court. Yes, so this one of Miami was the first wine. It was sorted the pilot programme, I guess- and my most measures and what we'll talk we'll save the the poohpooh until the very end about that that funds are It was looked at as a success and then all around the country. They started emulating this programme to the tune today. There says an article there's more than three thousand of these set up in the United States It seems to be hovering or just over three thousand and us out three thousand fifty seven three things seventy six? So it seems to top doubted about three thousand. Ok, although

there is a two thousand and seventeen memo herb, I guess- visor from the commission on combating drug addiction and the opium crisis. And it recommended this- has yet to doesn't seventeen by late to does something that every district in the? U S, establish a drug court, so small there will be more in the future. Gotcha I don't know how many districts are. Maybe there is thousand eighty two, maybe we're almost there for their like, come on you guys it's just that make it a higher percentage. Yes like you were saying, can come from me: the journey, but it can also be a prosecutor It can be the cop who arrested you. The way I look at this as it seems, like everyone sort of like a team effort, it is set up in a way. So it's not adversarial, not like the prom. The theatre in the defence attorney or fighting each other unscathed and the judge, like everyone, sort of.

Can gets on the same side to say: hey, let's see if we can straighten this person out right Not only is it not ever cereal and a jug court, the prosecutor and the defence attorney are required to hold hands throughout the entire hearing. I know in Bobby Mcferrin your height. Besides, the bailiff yeah, that is wearing on the Bible, you to sing. Don't worry, be happy while stressing that and then are vague as they clapping of court at the end of every session. Here, either. We should probably yes, let's take a break. What terrible bundled applying escape they met. The timid New year's resolutions are very, very difficult to keep get more exercise save more money. What have about this? We have a resolution that you can really work with stop wasting time going to the post office

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Ok the bobbing. The baron is just left. The room outrage court of starting yet scored started. You know it has been a great drug court Judge- is Harry. Stone are IP yeah. That's it just recently passed Here he was not an old man, no one I'll accounts are really good guy. When other, oh yeah people started pouring out their story, seals seems like he was a really good did he, did the some really heartfelt, very moving one man show right after Hurricane Katrina that you as probably on Youtube, if not unlike Netflix, or something like that

that was about you know all the horrible things that happen from the flooding into the humanitarian crisis that arose is pretty great well and if you don't know who he is people than we are referencing, the great great showed night or from AIDS I would say one great hell, build em up and knock em down. I thought he was, but he was a great individual, but this show itself was one great, not great great, so Harriet, the great great Arians and was limited by his the bad writing to one great they go back He he and his character specifically from this. This explanation: drug course in which what is expected of drug court judges. It is actually what he did like. He was compassionate toward the person he wanted to know what they're back story was. I he would recognize them by sight, sometimes by name every. While he lighten the move with the magic trick.

We take away the magic trick part, but all of those things are boxes that a drug court judges supposed to check it is nothing like white. Normal court is like yeah correct. Which is why that's it come right. It's more like night court than regular court drug corridors that right, so how it's, how it works, is very dependent on what court it is, as everyone knows it's its work and the state level and then, like the city, a counter municipality level. As far as how they want to structure their own scene sometimes it's people that Only people that have didn't have like up crime committed in the course of their drug use I thought there was a federal fund. A requirement that really you couldn't also be up on violent crime charges

really see like if you shut somebody in the new cap on your robbing him for drug money, you probably not gonna get kicked it drug court well and sometimes, if you have dealt drugs, you are not allowed into drug court. That's another went to a lot of them, ten to pick first I'm offenders What you are new to the court system if you are caught only possession charges or something like that in theirs, a court in the county that you're in the municipality that you're in this probably a hundred and ten percent chance. They will recommend drug court for you right and sometimes they would have the ad. Van sign, a contract. Saying you know: I'm on border decimate, reassigning my name on it document to plead guilty right. So there's two ways that I can go. One is that this right. So there's two ways that I can go. One is that they say we have you. You are who you ve been indicted and charged with

possession of crack cocaine right right, and if If you go to regular court, you will probably get sentence. Here's where your jail time might be, but We are offering, for you to go to drug cord instead am I gonna do is we're gonna defer these charges against you pending? Your graduation from this drug court programme will get more under the programme in a second but its hanging out there right as a potential like. But if you don't, then this is what's waiting for you right now. Like airbases gonna forget about it. If you go to drug court right like this is this is one of the things right. So coercion is the key to drug court right the other way that they can do it is they can say you have to play guilty to this charge and if you go to drug court. A graduate successfully, you will

Judge will either dismiss your sentence or they might even expunge the the conviction from you're from your permanent record. Yes right with China, remember my violent fence and here's. The other thing that that's different than regular court is this is all done very fast. Does not your hung up for weeks and months, trying to figure this out because their whole deal is is Youtube walk in there addicted to drugs. And they want to get you treatment as soon as possible. Right, but old, impatient or outpatient, sewing so like within days of an arrest. You could be in treatment. Yes what again. If you go to normal jail, that is not what happens. Most jails on offer treatment, treatment, programmes, do but a lot of em, don't If you go to jail, your treatment is either go. Cold turkey or two

a bunch of drugs in jail right. This is this: is to say. Ok, work were going to actually keep you out of jail, you're not going to jail right now, but you're going into this treatment programmes and, like you said it could be impatient or outpatient. It can be put funded treatment or it could be a private like Countryman Hospital. I get rehab centre right and all of this stuff is, is hammered out on a case by case basis. So you are recommended by either the year your attorney judge that sees you in the criminal court would say you do better in drug court. The arresting officer apparently can can recommend drug court and then they look at you are as an individual and they look at your individual case and then they decide what is the best way, You handle your case and there is definite like a structure in a programme here that every drug courts going to have There's a lot of room from what I understand. There's a lot of room in a lotta leeway for them too

almost personally Taylor, yours a cord experience to make it as successful as past. And this is the ideal version again. I know there were holding off I'm proposing. As you can see. Second biting clear through my lower library Dounia threats, but this is the ideal version in it it it does exist in some places, yes tailor made its like a pillow menu at a nice hotel. Actual it's nothing but what you are gonna get just like that, and I hotel is drug tested a lot You will be, I mean, maybe every other day for the first, while you might be drug tested, the. I think that an attorney who was busted in became. Like a drug court advocate he's even drug tested five days a week, Yeah and again this is tailored to you, so it One of the things article points out is that what happens is your judge

get to know you and that's kind of the whole point. Is they need to know who you are also a it can set out whether or not you're trying to gain the system, and they get from sounds like they get really good at that, can a reading. These people who write in them- and I can tell the skies, he's just trying go through drug courts. We can go. Do drugs again, This person seems like they really want to around right. So they will get to know these folks and assessed. I think they need. Maybe red as once a week, and the more you just clean the less you get tested in the more certainly way you have and freedom you have as long as you're you work in those steps and completing your programme right. Ok, so then, like I said, though, the coercion thing is the key to drug core right, the whole point, drug corridors that you you can't and go through a programme out of court right

in wouldn't will be like Fairylike, judicially mandated or anything like that, but the what drug core advocates are saying. Is that it doesnt work nearly as well as the dear that if you dont complete this programme, you're going to jail right and some drug courts, take it even further and say: oh came in is your choice. You can stick with the regular charges, go to normal criminal court for this year. Probably almost certainly decent jail time or you can come tried drug court. If you succeed, Drug court. You won't go to jail, we may even dismiss the case, make it like this. This conviction even happened. If you fail Not only are you going to jail you're going to do more jail time, then if you hadn't come into drug, courted all in just stayed in the regular criminal system. Cohesion. There is very strong in the reason that it's their according to A court advocates is because that is what

helps ensure the success of these treatment programmes and gets people to actually complete them and come on addict to drugs at the end of it or at least started on a path that they can keep up with for the rest of their lives. Yeah. This homage when I said it's a quick programme, the programme as it quickly get you going quickly right but doesn't happen over the course of a few months like it seems like The minimum is is about a year, They could be as long as two years, sometimes to graduate in Peru that you're a drug free and committed to being drug free right, so you have like the court all up in your stuff like during that two years right. Some of them are even shorter, but there are also- Men is like an emergency case like gum. You know somebody's having mental health crisis

of its federal. I know some states have it at least, if it's not a federal law, that you can, you can be locked up for fur. I think seventy two hours against your will of a court says this person needs to be emerge. They need emergency mental health treatment. There are some cat of sub care. Glories of drug courts that had been set up just the opium crisis year. That would we'll be like ninety day, like emergency crash program that basically meant to view out of jail, but also keep you alive in like really get year. Your tree, going by them there like an additional part to the drug Court programme, is far from what I saw. It seems like a twelve to twenty four it pretty normal yeah and who are these. People who are these prosecutors and defence attorneys and judges, and in my cases, it seems like they are people that are specifically requested drug court.

It doesn't seem like a lot of people are begrudgingly assigned drug court. They feel compelled to do so. Maybe a mid career switch, or maybe you know that's what they wanted to do to begin with you, don't they Jabba calling to try and help people and not necessarily just be like I'm going to be the prosecutor that, like it, was a book and everybody, the judge that just wants to put every behind bars, definitely have a more compassionate side than you're, probably used to in the courtroom. Although I will say most courts, I mean I've only been that way. Traffic warden stuff, but they have all sorts of you know- Traffic corridors ever range of people in there and was the judges. I've I've seen in my life had been of the it sort of harsh with a heart, a gold I've never seen one in person. That was just like

like a real jerk that was just intent on running people through the system, you dont, you make a good point. I think every. Every scientific study that involves human subjects should be required. Get their their population sample from traffic court. But there's no better, like Perfect Cross section of America. Here then like a Tuesday morning in traffic man, you again so it's the ruled out for science. Everybody here, there's really true and you're always like like every time I've been to traffic where which has only been two or three times it's been. I'm always feel like I'm the last person then our all day, long and always envious of the people that are up their purse, but the end of the day it into being unfairly interesting, produce. Me, you just enjoys watching the sort of experience player.

Have you ever been to traffic court in Europe like looking at the cops he showed up very like? Is that the one thing I gave you think it's photos, you know if they do, if they don't show up, they throw your case supposedly right, which not even sure that's an urban legend or not, but I dont know if it is it. No, I think it is. Depend, but I think that can be the case for sure. I've. Never I've never been able, Lou perfectly say yes, the cop they gave me the ticket is not here because you know that's because you are whacked out they. I can't remember. I wasn't even a trap. I in jail just hallucinating at that time, yeah? I have heard that, because that was the advice always got was. Aren't you oh, please not guilty just in case they don't show and then by the time you I gotta get up for the judge, if they show not, you can change your plea brow. And they they actually have another. They have it,

version every quarter, diversion court at like aside court they have set up for traffic court where you can go in plead guilty, and then pay like a reduced fine and you don't have to sit there for the whole day and it's really a they. Just take any pretence of trying to keep people safe as the reason they give out traffic tickets. Just it completely do away with its just like theirs, a guy wearing one of those green brim, light bankers cap? Yes, I will charge you learn if you make it fast, pretty much exactly and end, but there's like no public safety aspect to his money making thing, but there actually qualifies as like this kind of thing, with a drug courteously. Here's where the court? Here's something else. After the side there were using two to divert people out of the clogged court system for sure yeah. I think it's. I think everyone should go to court. It's what I wanna be a jury duty I got you know, get called not too long ago and ending the

You know they didn't even call me up to be questioned, whenever I just in it, being hang all day, and then they dismissed the whole lot of like the third people I was with butter, I'm into it. I would definitely do it. I certainly wouldn't want to be tied up for weeks right or are they call the carbon, yet it western yes sequestered no way but yeah, but they got you like case you get dinner for free yeah, but come on. I know it would be take its old after, like two or three weeks I think you're right redundant. Are its where we we're told that good judges in badge you see, I everyone sort of on the same team in the court, which is let me get to know this person. Let me find the route of their problem. Let me see we can help them walk. Great narrow together, which is sound, very hippy dippy? I'm kind of surprises took root in the United States. The earth

Yeah is simpler than winder, something great super Scandinavian near so So again. This is ideally not every judges going to fit this bill by drug court. Judges would tend to lean. Toward this. This personality trade or acts like this. More than say, your typical criminal court judge right. So they are when he thinks is expected of them as part of being a drug court judges, they are meant to be kind of a social worker? Almost four. This person is a really weird position for a judge to be why I just into the social worker well again come back to the coercion right. If you- and this is supposed to be built into a good in average drug core programme its tree, addiction as a public health problem as in chronic disease and if you're not familiar with that model of addiction, goes endure. Addiction episode, I'm

Is really interesting, but it they treated his leg This is a chronic disease, so it expected that this person is going to probably relapse, probably with a hundred percent certainty, depending on the level of their addiction. Yes and That is not the ground to wash out of the programme the first time or maybe even the second time or maybe The third time is up to the judges, discretion, but eventually get to a point where taking a very seriously so the judge will issue with called a flash incarceration, which means you, you showed up to take your drug tested. It's been four weeks into your lasting court you're in the programme, and you just failed and the judges, tired of you failing you jug tests and the next thing you know you wearing an orange is tired of you failing you jug tests and then thing. You know you wearing an orange jumpsuit in spending,

Ten days in jail, yeah, it's a kind of like the snap you out of it and get you serious about this thing you get and then overtime eventually uses your wash out. You get kicked out of the programme and end up in criminal court. In your pick up where you left off, which is the beginning of your trial, for whatever the original charges were right, The idea that you can be incarcerated and still remain in this programme, and given these can and third chances, depending on what the judge in the prosecutor in the court staff think your left of dedication, is that's you I can find it anywhere else in the in the criminal justice system in the United States no, and not only are they do they try and treat people for drug abuse. But if you are a victim, domestic violence. They will you will go, an agency to help you with that. If you they work, a lot with veterans, if you suffer firm hideous d or if you're, just a dream addicted veteran. Then there to make it really sure that their taking care of you and pride?

with all the medical and mental health benefits that you have and I love how article says that you have earned not even that you like deserve of earnest right, and so this is another just crazy, different thing about drug court is a man that took imagined this, basically being like homeless, dick. Do the heroin and you're a veteran right too, to have people who have access to computers in emails and know the phone numbers of foods, the services you're supposed to be conquered ya, know what forms you need to fill out and then even how to fill out those words to have access to pee, or who can help you do that, so that all of a sudden, you actually do get the benefits they get you off of the street, and into a dream and programme and get the government to help pay for it, like that's, that's invaluable

and that's another aspect of drug court is that you they provide those services. You have access to those people who are helping. You get those services or if your child has been taken away, they view navigate the arm. And the child welfare system so that you can go take the class. Is you need to take to get your child back there it's a lot of different services that they offer that they help people with two that, I think is sustainable an idea here and it's it makes sense to because one of the big drawback or not drawbacks, but one of the big things holding these people back Many times is when you're heroin attic, you are robbed any ambition to. Do this yourself? Even if you wake up sober and your man. I dont want to lead this kind of life You were addicted to this drug, so you don't wake up and think. Let me go to the the a library cause, they have the internet there. I can sign up and find out where the stuff is, and I have

family, that's gonna, help me do this or rejected them like that. First, can literally just be. The person is again This is the number. I will you and be driven there and dropped off there. That can kick start the the press, this is getting healthy again right. So that's a huge part of a cartoon, that's a huge part of the success of it. So there's this whole course Some set up there that, if you you want to take advantage of it, you can get off of drugs and you can stay out of jail and that's the way that its What some of the studies have seen the best role, that a judge can play is supportive, but also stern, a pushover, but also just not a blow hard. No there's no room for blow hearts in here for theirs. So no room for somebody who is completely being taken advantage of by person after person right you on a nice, x, and the judge they also want to address is going to listen to the other professionals to

act almost as an advocate of the person whose whose in it but there also meant kind of creed. This atmosphere, where you are you're, You're doing this like this, this is good bandying. I'm at this is a respectable thing that you doing in their farming to treat you with the respect that yourself right now because of the road and right and rather than confrontation in shame, which apparently has a terrible effect on ad regardless of whether you're in court or in a rehab treatment or whatever and then the end of it is considered like a graduation like it's meant to be a big deal so much so that they'll actually bring other people who were in the programme to court. On the day that you are graduating from the programme, because there are interesting, it's a basic, it's kind of a big deal and they treat as ideal exactly you yeah, exactly and their treaty with respect in all this people who they probably become, at least

civil with, if not jovial and friendly, with her over the last, like ninety days or twelve months or twenty four months, tits them padding that person on the back. I'm sure them that Means a lot area so the idea that is this is it is? just feels really weird to be talking in not say, and course we mean Sweden It is very, very weird. By judge of Europeans in its out there in its did growing like wildfire, are it was take a break and we will come back and finish up with some statistics. And some more glowing reviews and then, of course, the dreaded pooping of the bedside of drugs

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the cool thing about these kind of programmes when Government is involved in putting a lot of money into the programmes is it there's gonna, be be a lot of research, and there is definitely been a lot of research on drug courts and all data, points generally point the fact that it works on appeal, big level it works. It saves for money and save taxpayers money. It is lower crime it reduces crime. It lowers the rate of recidivism one bonehead word agree. So, let's start with a staff from inside jail in prison. Eighty percent of offenders In jail in prison, abuse, drug and alcohol while there in prison in jail, Kay, percent of them are clinically addicted. So it is clear that there is a really big problem.

To just sending attics to jail yeah because again remember not a federal penitentiary jails, especially like city. Ten county jails have treatment programmes. You, probably in a federal penitentiary or good state ten you're getting a treatment programmes if you're a low level drug offender. Your problem I'm going to state or federal penitentiary, you're going to city or county jail, well yeah, an sixty to eighty percent of of inmates who seek drug treatment like that they have the program and you just seek that programme, while you're in prison. Sixty two, three percent drop out early with the thinking for drug courts. Being that there are No, like they're already in jail. There is a carrot dangling or rather maybe a hammer dang dangle. Above their heads in the sand, You know you can avoid jail. By doing this, we are already in jail, so there's no lot of incentive, so the thing a jug courts is that they do

apparently change. That thing this this article says they reverse all these numbers, two little glib. If you ask me, by the day a failure- internet they'd they do so. There was a national Association of Drug Court, professional study and there's been other studies that should have shown similar statistics by something like that city division rate is, is like gum, sixteen percent after the sheer twenty seven percent after the second year, which is far then what you would find in the in the general population for people on probation, people who have completed the programme, which is will see as a big caviar. All who were parents in the drug courts ten doing is either kids tend to spend less I'm and foster care in their families, more light. They d be reunited after they come the programme. What else

thirty five percent reduce crime rate compared alternatives and then another study from the national instead of justice for a scheme, be a county Florida which I believe is like Pensacola Area they said the felony rearrest rate, there was lowered by eighteen percent. Dang So there's a lot of a lot of sense. This makes. It really seems to show that this work including reducing prison population which saves the states money make making? Are employment opportunities, which would give more tax revenue and so it seems like it's all like a no brainer one four percent. Why would anyone have a problem with this right? Well, I hear here's what and get this drug policy alliance. When fully did you yes, What's the deal there so

one of the things that drug courts do. Is they take the war on drugs from the supply side, which means like invading Mexico through the demand side, which means busting users right and the drug courteousness, basically new adoration of the idea of busting a user, but rather than just busting them again and again and again in the hopes Adele eventually give up on drugs, they This is to cure them of their addiction and drug. It's the core intervening, but it still the same thing and the policy lines is like this: we don't need to be doubling down on busting, low level, users and attics? We need to treat it strictly as a public health thing. If you are busted with a small amount of drugs, you shouldn't ever go to jail like it should be decriminalized. What they're saying is that this this whole thing is like a whole new direction, a whole new push that keeping us from decriminalizing low amounts of drugs which the drug policy lines, as is best practices that makes it

and then use in a really interesting article What was that was at the Atlantic? Knowing the Pacific standard of a it's, the in it of the West Coast. Yeah that was really interesting because they paint or not paid. Today they can tell another side of the story through a few, samples of real people, which is our aim let's say my son or daughter is addicted heroin, they go through like what you talked about the flash incarceration like hey. You came in here and tested positive, I'm just go and throw you right back in the slammer for ten days, happening is a lot of these people in it, it depends on the drug, but especially in the case of of heroin and opium. Aids is their put People s back in jail very quickly. Who are in the middle of going cold turkey right so

that's not a good situation and it. The kind of roundly across the board medical professionals have agreed that the methadone and what was the other drug? Oh, I can't I couldn't then there was a method rank ass. He has people not helping That methadone is like an essential medicine if you, we're trying to kick in opium, Lloyd or hair when habit and Under the terms of the drug court, You can't use methadone, even rice, They they found that fifty percent of drug courts in the- U S have an outright ban on I was called maintenance right and the idea, but I mean, like you, said it's like the the medical community says. This is the best practice. If you're addicted to heroin are opiates, you go, get was called the maintenance dose

where you get a little dose of something like methadone and you get it every day, at the same time, every day the same amount in you get, your body so used to this day? You no longer getting high right buddy. It keeps you from going out and getting high, because you are no longer have that craving you not drug seeking anymore, and apparently they compare it. Like being I'm Prozac there can go out, have a job have a high stress: job live a normal life and beyond. The down. This maintenance dose of method, methadone and not yet ever get back on heroin with fifty percent drug court say no, abstinence base court. You court to be part of it. You can't trust you can't test positive for drugs and therefore you can't beyond methadone, and so what they're doing is, if you, if you wash out of the this court system, whether they kick your jailer, say you're out a drug court and you and you haven't been on methadone, but you I've been off of heroin when you get,

gone it. What you to be just a normal dose could kill you that, yes, what happens with your body when you're in Withdraws, so it's like these courts that are abstinence based drug courts- are setting you up to overdose on heroin if you do follow this programme strictly right in there. What they're saying is like judges, judges who don't listen to the matter. All communities best practices are that's very dangerous situation, yeah because you're, the meat. They know that you're super at risk for or relapse. And then once you're in there for ten days in your cold turkey in your clean, then then you are also like you said: significant risk for dosing impossibly dying so again, there, seems to be spent difficulty with like heroin opiates witches maybe the biggest problem in our country right now, drug wise anyway rights or not discounting that, but is especially in these cases it it seems like a dog

cords need to at least be Dorothy Records are bad, but they need to they need to maybe work with the medical community a little more when it two heroin and AIDS is the best practice, forgetting his people. Queen, you that's the guy. Right and a lot of them do. A lot of them do allow for may make medication and maintenance of those. Fifty percent that's good. Now I thought it was rare. What that that so they allow for maintenance oh you know like like a lot of them, do have a fifty percent say, none whatsoever by yell at home, do some of them, though the other fifty percent somewhere on certain basis bases like if you're a pregnant woman, they'll, let you do if own treatment or something like that, their there's. It's not like half, let you and half don't write, half don't and then some of the other half let it just anybody like. Maybe twenty percent just openly allows it, but

that is the way to cure somebody of heroin in denying them. That is it's not it's! informed, we very sadly out I mean it is anecdotal alone. No, a kind of Studies they have on this, but you know date, told very the civic stories about people that went through drug court were released. Overdosed and died because body couldn't take. What, like you said, was and a half ago a normal those right, sir. He said and then again there's the other. There is the other aspect. Words like they say they are, you know, since they can select who comes into drug court there, selecting people We're going to lie Clay graduate and writer make their drug court look even better and so they're going to pick. First timer scared, kids Who who are like my whole life is going to be ruined if I end up in jail yeah, who will probably see this programme to end so that mean

that the data is kind of cherry pick. You know like these recidivism raids, those are for people who complete the programme for but who wash out of the programme there Chile worse off than the people who were similar criminals under the same circumstances that I just kept going through criminal court because they ended up with more prison time more jail time than they would have had if they just stuck to criminal court. So there's deaf some criticism of. It can be done better, but it does seem like there are some courts out there that actually do follow. Like these ideal best practices models, it's just that so much leeway that it is different from court. The court, yet it it just depends on. The judge really need here Henderson in there sure you do judges need to learn at least three card tricks and the good you you got anything else, I another out. I don't either so

Let's see you, I know more about drug court. You can search those words in the search bar has to force that common sense. I said that it's time for listener, mail. We call this. What will be one of to North Korea? answers in this in a subsequent recording. We the good feedback about that upset. I was pretty stuff. I was too, I was nervous. Hey guys. I was able. This is for. Can in Lancaster Pencil any he said I ve been drawing, overwhelmed. I wanted to toss a stone. Dear north korean pond able to visit the DMZ. While I was there for a while, he told a story Use air but he was able to go the DMZ any settles fascinating, that it was fun that each side built super tall flagpoles, maybe just it'll taller than the other and also made modifications to their buildings on either side of the blue huts to us. Be taller and more imposing than the other south, actually trains, their DMZ guards sand

in the most imposing stance possible. One more thing. I'll shares a talk I had with my korean CO teachers, ass, someone felt about reunification, and the universal answer was that there should be one unit in Korea and they hope to see happen soon the loan to Centre was a woman said, recognize a difficult process would be, and she didn't think it would be good for the country and the other teachers heard this co workers opinion they all looked at her like she had just poured manners The committee has also wishes to me If ever the japanese mandates exactly a man that was so good Kubi and more that please They couldn't believe she wasn't for reunification. Culture is less into good individualistic than ours. So often also the party line on such things, but she did not anyway returning my long drives and manure. The stairs into opportunities to think and learn

my wife and I am most evenings talking about our days and how they went up in schools topics on your show, because that's what I'm unaccountably kin from Lancaster B, thanks a lot can say hi to the Amish out there for his they'd, almost nor podcast give an Iphone like a world There is one thing that I wanted dimension there. Actually two things in that episode that I forgot to mention one was the nineteen seventy six acts. Attack of north korean guards against south korean guards. Did you hear that, killed by a hatchet, for goodness sake, great and then the current president was on the team who came out after that in Finnish, cutting down the tree that the south korean cars originally doing, and then the other thing is that north it holds the mass games

and they hold it in like this. It's like their own personal olympics. They hold it in a hundred and fifty thousand persons stadium and there's a I think. It's a national geographic documentary about this girl, who's, a gymnast or a dancer. Something like I can't remember, but it's training for the Mass games to great documentary check it out great ok things like can. Thank you for letting me talk and thank you for that in a few on again touch us, you can tweak I met Josh Clark, we're both that as well as Cape podcast. Cosette movie, crush trucks, also on Facebook, dot com, slash that you should know checks on food, put that complex Charles W Chuck, Brian and slashed stuff. You should know you can see this an email to stuff podcast, a the first outcome is always to that are home on the web stuff. You should know that

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