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Yeah, but I think we should start off by saying that in a year, likes, deliver confidence, builders right before we record yes, yes, She said hey thing. I'm notice, when you guys record to if there's one that you think stinks record that when first recording first, I like this one, the idea to Jerry Apparently, not thou poetry, there is she's, like it's stupid, she's base, hate, poetry, regular sentences on track she's a faint oppose what this episode- for me was reminded me that I, like poetry. Yeah yeah. I remember now, as an english major, really into it for a little while I bet you do read a lot of poetry for that I did in some of it. I didn't like it all, but a lot of it. I really really liked- and I just realized that real poetry anymore- and I really can I dug it- there's plenty poetry out there for sure

I've never been one to be like a minus, here in red poetry. All it does carry certain thing, although I have my five before so am. I are largely curative passes on the elbows by. I guess suppose her because I Consider already preparatory, but I now? She ate a good poem. Why well that's. My deal is like a really good I'm just impresses me to know end sure. Yeah man try try right. A poem yourself I did once Erika I college wrote a poem that I so much. I sent it to the new Yorker. For that matter, I liked it enough to you now realize rejection did it to another zig. He had already done the same power. Now

You know the reference now there's a sign fell were Alain Senator Comic to the new Yorker, but it turns out she had ripped off his egg and remember that is good anyway, I have a copy of the somewhere a hard copy. Only. I think some in some boxing and bring it today will now I mean it's gotta, be my attic, but I need to get it and because I remember thinking like it's pretty good while you re, if you send it to the new Yorker, I would guess, thought very highly of, but I was also twenty three in Vienna Bright thought freaking out. For farming and send it to the new Yorker YAP. Also is your first first at Elmhurst, first, like going of any order. First, first shot yeah, that's fine! That's again to like just riding script and be like my should get this in Scorsese hands. This most will prepare my Oscar Psmith anyway, rejection letter, but it was nice to know get batty. No one should have framed. Next to your poem yeah. I'd like to see this here it

It was sort of long ash and it was about a kid jumping into power leaves in the fall as nice as we will see. Had you know, symbolism! Men and before I didn't. You know I never said leaves, or pile of leaves, her he's ever anything like that. You know it was all like very. I thought skilfully sort of crafted yeah, like you just put me on my head, like I thought that the poem about in the leaves in the leaves are metaphor for something else, but it's about doing something else that the metaphor for jumping in a pile leaves knows about the kid jumping in Nepal leaves. I just never explicitly said that I see you know he liked became it. Locomotive like esteem drain of sort of, I got two like anything, but there was good and offspring. Think everyone wants to hear his partner after posting. Well, if I dig it up, I will definitely read it in a very special if you should know that the deal called,

how to get our listeners to jump into a ravine. So one thing chuck! when I was researching this. I went. I looked all over for learning new, appreciate, poetry here you know what it takes. Just for some advice, because it's always been a tough nut to crack. For me, what I think, Makes me like just about everybody and I across this. This essay on poets, DOT, Org it's called how to read a poem, and it is that's exactly what it's about now. It's written improves form. Thankfully, so you can understand it like right off the bat and dumb, author made this sir. This point he said then reader. Three false assumptions when addressing an unfamiliar poem, the first they assume they should understand the palm right out of the gate first time they read it yes and that if they do there's something wrong with them or problem

frequently there's something wrong with the poem Rights poem then work here given that the day that there in any given palm there's a code, and I think how'd. You get the whole parliament arms only about one certain thing, and it's all encoded in one way here and that's that, like you just cracking bam, you don't poems been read, write and the third one is assuming that the poem can mean anything the reader wanted me. That's not true poem means what the author intended it to mean well yeah its opener interpretation, certainly here, but the poem still from an I'm gathering here, there's port, whoever wrote something was like. I have no idea what that means. Yeah, but I have heard poets in songwriter say, like you know, I meant to be

sway, but its whatever you take. It sure yeah and I think, there's a lot of meaning imbued and not just poetry, but any kind of writing. Any kind of art near by you're by the listener by the heat by whoever your eye, but the is a poem is so meticulous. Lee crafted that you, bet. Reword, every literally every syllable, in Every single line was handpicked in almost sculpted. It all comes together to point out that the best way to approach, a tree is as a a typewritten object of art yeah agreed and that that, once you come out of it like that met, it's gonna be hard. It's coming you trouble, but the more trouble it gives you the more awarding it's gonna, be when you understand it. If you come out upon like that, in that you're not gonna, get it the first time out that it you're supposed to spend some time and effort on it.

Can start to appreciate poems yeah, that's what I got fitness for improved I wonder if one year, issues with poetry is the Deuce help concise poetry is. And you're you, as a writer like why you have written two thousand page novel is surprising to me still, you know if, in a just the sequel like, I always imagine, your book would be like in wonder boys. You know, that scene where he sat down and he types out like I can't remember the first three digits, but oh it's three hundred words and many types like an Afore the three thousand pages on Great Yang Katy homes as they care what she started getting into the different lineages horses. Were you son? You start making choices such a good movie. It is now really think you think attacker well like why you might

Oh, oh, that it's too concise! No, I can appreciate things that are different. I think for me it's I. I ran into the same thing that this the author of how to read a poem He called out, which is you expecting it the first time, and if you don't use, get kind of frustrating you give up right, I'm a quarter what a reader I snatcher I take it back then, should we talk about him yeah! Well, one thing I thought was kind of really need is poetry Predates literacy near by hundreds of years, if not thousands yet true. I think when you no one, kind of every site that I looked at talking about the history of poetry, all pointed to epoch of Gilgamesh such a good story, and just you know the kind of the earliest poetry period were these epic poems and

a lot of people think that one reason they turned to poetry was so they could memorize stories right yet because, if you are a storyteller in your group you're in a story- and that was your role here and you needed to remember actual, like facts- events that kind of thing so as a way to help or to memorize history, Norway right, which is kind of a revealing thing about poetry, because a lot of people, think of poetry, is written or typed. When Poetry is actually more usually intended to be read aloud air. And went to start reading palms allowed. Then I think you you'll be like. Oh, I see I hate my voice, I don't get a poetry readings, but there the dude in fact, read one of his poems later. There's a modern poet, name, Derek Brown, a hundred Derek no such let him somehow he'd he tours during poet, call opens up a lot of time, firm use, bands and, like comedians here

four Eugene Merman. Ok, so I met him once and I got to know abed and peace, just great this. Like his poems, are awesome. Oh yeah sure view during poet, yeah suck, but he's trying to sort of an. You know all kinds: it's not like he's. The person other running poetry, but you know you see, articles about poetry being dead every now and then, and is just not the case. Yet Luckily there says poetry is dead or Poetry is alive and well, but everybody calls it rap somebody else. Rights another year there's this huge ongoing debate over whether rap qualifies as poetry and it's all written by Pfeiffer Middle Age, white men pretty much net; ok, so speaking of epics, the Greeks and Romans historically, what twelve hundred BC and eighty four fifty five was when they were really cranking stuff out, and everyone always points to the two biggest homer

wrote the Iliad or I'm sorry Iliad, not the Iliad, an odyssey, hidden right, the Elliot. I don't think the official titles, the Iliad versus the Iliad Iliad an odyssey, I was surprised that Hesiod called out. Instead of like Virgil Oda guest, or would have been named, checked Sesar than see a right as number two behind homer air homers number, one for sure, ancient Greek, epic poets, you ethics, but Hesiod. Come on now works and days, not bad yeah sports, epic, poems girl, which I'm not into I struggled with with both Elliot an odyssey Oh you read them both. In this class. I mean I can't it can absolutely look back and say I read them both all the way through her. My ass, I might have been LE lazy about it, but we studied them.

Great detail yeah I read enough of a guess. The odyssey Sorry to confuse it with the odyssey Harry handling and What should the tightly closed at the time or else while this is going to go ahead, Try to confuse it was making love, is eighties movie. I never saw no one else movie about like that. Again, man that was married and had a secret affair it harry him on with him. Well now I think the husband was Michael in member that guy, I know- and I think you have you- with every him when, because who wouldn't well, you know I mean that guy, speaking of I want to say something, nothing do with anything just remind me with eighty movie You can watch an autograph tracks lately here and they kill it. I want to see:

civically recommend and if you ever Amazon, prime membership streaming on prime lotta reflexes nightmare. At noon, I think is what it's called so had you not watch slaughter, retracts I'd seen a few bright. I just can't caught the bug and I've been like, like crying laughing at some parts or, like I'm just wiping my eyes like. I don't listen man. I don't laugh like that in its make me laugh like their cabin and John stuff. You should know supposedly yeah I've heard that early severed. What does it matter innocent either that or the super nice guys? you want to make me feel that I can see that their like listeners stuff. It knows some moving on to medieval times, things started to get a little more will not creative, but they to expand the poetic horizons, a bit

with the language they use in the subject matter? They wrote about Chaucer, and particularly Sir doing something really unusual was riding in the common everyday language which can it didn't happen a lot before him no have been Latin up to and yet and he's like talking about. You know common p, we're in the common language, you our common for then but trousers, tough old man in considerable need for me to request this guy. Talking about. You need a good teacher that stuff- like a really getting with secret. That can walk you through. That. Have supposedly Canterbury tales are really interesting and night, there's a lot of wit and humour to him, but yeah you Bates, it's just really difficult language. The I had I somebody who knows it. I had a good during college Anna had idea to make Canterbury into a modern movie about, but on a greyhound bus Anna

great I thought all my ideas were good. When I was like twenty one son about idea very short, NATO royalties for thou. So, moving onto the renaissance period, things going more creative, and this is when we saw forms of meter, young men and William Shakespeare Thomas Marlowe. They started the verse drama, movement right and so initially, you ve got tree is as this oral history basically here and then the Greeks come along and then the roman stump and codify Hence in make formal pictures out of it, and then everybody starts to undo those. Getting further and further away from the Greeks and Romans until we here the enlightenment period, from about the mid seventeenth century till almost the eighteenth century, almost the nineteenth century should say, and they

back and basically venerated the greek and roman traditions which seems weird to me this somebody Somebody was struck and said these guys. What they were doing. Yeah I'm kind prize to. I would have thought the amendment would have taken things in an even further yeah like away from that. But I guess not. I guess not. I think the romantics did though seventeen year, seventy nine! Until about eighteen, thirty, that's a kind of food learn Poohpooh, but they'd straight a bit from what the enlightenment was doing. Well, rebelled for sure yeah. It seems like there were like periods of strict structure and then rebellion away from that over the decades yeah in centuries. In history of poetry, yeah literally, while we're talking about right now and probably a cultural, Movement is well, I'm sure it was kind of all tied together right,

they were the transcendentalists movement in the United States, and I used to be all about those care. Yeah love them and then I started really learning about the row announced can like a bit of a weirdo in real life Dude We can all great ways you know just and like to the corner at a party he discovered, lived deliberately like a weirdo, publicly party but they did. You know that transcend illness in the romantic stayed focus a lot on, create the nature and stuff like that. Yes, certainly throw Fisher was all about it s like I'm just saying I like Emerson more than the road as I do. Older. Look I used to think the railways, great German, came the like Emerson, more wealth rose, that's a young man came sure, he's happy. Muttered accounting feebler dislike buddies,

talking about work under new subscribers, Victoria period. Eighteen thirty, two to nineteen o one- and this is further breaking away from the establishment in this when you get like the great good. Any of em all Mr Whitman days like structure. Meter near them. Again shove it I say not to that. Things gonna like that was it from Canada on yeah, like you had your traditional is still, and even today still do, but on that's when air it's way. Other rules were out the window and you could do it. Every wanted and cholera I think so Walt Whitman Grass baby. I think that was the original, vital yeah Come on baby earlier, a couple, a wise man

Should we move into the twentieth century too? Well, you kind of have to because now poetry just ended with white men now the twentieth century definitely side share of movements on apparently, in the very early twentieth century there was a modernist movement that sought go even further away from the norms and EVA rebelled against poor Walt Whitman, who may or may not have still been alive to see us by day. Hey, you know what were sick of your flowery language in your fancy, calligraphy in all that we Are you gonna, make short, concise, interesting poems, and that was the modernist movement. This is where I really started to get interesting. For me, the modernists yeah like I was I was way into e comings and you It's an Gertrude Stein, Sylvia Plan, fight about Robert Frost, He was good. Sir. I mean wasn't me here

good. Now he was amazing. You hide away Jordan, which one, the one who like made pithy rhyming short rhymes like there, is a His is so sad. I got my a tree from King the hill. But there is one thing: the Hill where Peggy Hill is reciting poems she said cow, is of the bovine Elk winning gives move the other milk. Who was that it was as for a pound? Was it as your penguin written some night. That sounds like something like Oscar Wilde would die. Now it was a Texas because they were observing the guys have. Ninety ethnic has not worked. Anyway, that's when I really got into poetry like it was way more accessible to me. Could read E comings and inserted, get it, Think part of it. Also, though Chuck is, Europe's periods was a lie

closer in resemblance to the experience of people in the early twentieth century than it was to apply in writing in New England area, like the seventeenth century, you know about how much I love my neighbors. Vienna, like your experience, is different. So of course you can identify with, of course, the poetry. That's crazy! from that experience, is going to speak to you or at least be more accessible to you. I think that's. Why alike? people get turned off and poetry two years now, Greece, it is because you are Actor needed into this history of poetry in it should go back. Yeah go count, chronologically, like you should be. Calculated in poetry, Roy we in at least the same century within the last fifty years lawyer. Actually, then, once you start to get that you can take on older and older yet off, but it Not only do you have to get the poem now you have to get the pole

and also understand that a completely different social outlook from somebody who lived a couple hundred years ago here. Why are we going to go on talking about wiles about to give advice to english teachers, but then I realized we just did. The same thing is like if you start your class with idle. Talk about the epoch of Gilgamesh, that's how you can lose a student, but we did the same thing. You can use reverts to publish this back. Generally those away why to admit to my dad Society had a pretty big impact on You never saw shut out we saw it you're kidding, I've never seen a just, so I could save this moment heavy really. And I think we should start a movie by gas where we each just are like. Now he called you ve, never seen it. So

was inculcated into the work of Robin Williams in the wrong way and much that more committed, now now patch items The package aims as I can see anymore run. Lions movies. You should see I'm sure I should really good. I think I've got another ten fifteen years, a pattern. Still, wear off. First, set the only Robin Ways: movies ever know, that's the last one. I saw that ok, really man. No, it's not true Father the year, I saw everything You pick up the wrong movies. You ve ever seen it now asked. I was in a weird indy way: it's a weird! Little movie it again. I think that my big last one, I think something in some out. There was a little weird and doing nothing is indifferent. I think Bob Gold, three directed it. That is good. And then we move on we're getting into the nineteen thirteen.

Now we're getting into the mid fortys and I got into the stuff to the beat poets ethic. Every recalled It probably went through little face shirt where they listen, my endless against bird but read Ginsburg care Wagoner. You know those those that generation. Definitely, a sort of embraced the do! What you want the style here among us. I liked it school beats were also man caraway. Teacher and a regatta nor any of the other guys. But I like him a lot everyone should read howl by Ginsberg yeah. That's it most famous poem, then I'm sure Ginsberg, big Ginsberg fans will say. Of course you can recommend yeah, but I've tried, you should have said, and we should take a break

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Of Supreme on the iron reveal an apple pie cast, wherever you give your pockets said shock we're back and we're done talking about the history of poetry. Let's talk about poetry itself. Ok, ok, so, upon Has four lines now run they all right, a they're all and I am but contaminate which will describe later and down there each made up of four stanzas. That's a poem. Anything else is just commie propaganda right. We were silly today,

We should talk about the genres and you know This is one of those topics where we're gonna do fifty minutes on poetry. When there are, we could do a billion. Guess about poetry, so forgive the over Venus of this is what we do. Narrative, poetry, which is on the tells a story. Yeah. It doesn't have to be an epic poem. It doesn't have to be in a book link fiction. It can be a very short poem that tells a story, but it's got like basically a plot inaction and characters carcase at least one year. But ethic poetry does fall under that banner right yeah I have done. Poetry, which we talked about with Shakespeare. A lot of people may be done even realise that Shakespeare was writing. Poetry for the stage a year. I guess. Maybe they don't think about it that way.

Thought. Everybody thought that's what it was was poetry dense and impenetrable to rapid stuff can be again needed. A teacher could teach your shirt. I wish I could remember my teachers names to shut them out. My college teachers really like were so great at that, but I think I ve talked about at a great Shakespeare teacher, he would just Please read it out loud and class and he would say This is what's goin on after each, like, you know, collapsed, and is so you do yeah. It's like an annotated, live, tainted Virgin Shakespeare theory. Was you know this? What you gotta do to me. Kids get it, but once it they realise that these are modern stories. Just you know told in a way that no great timeless stories, yes, exactly Lyric poetry is probably if what a lot of people think of as a poem right? You know it, it might rhyme. Didn't

to tell a story it and have a plot It's like rime and rhythm and creates just like this. It's it's for effect the flying, maybe uses a lot of on imagery. Usually of different types, get you to visualize something here thing or imagine what the post trying to get it crosses like the different meanings, it'll ideas like what people think of anything a poem here, Lyric poetry, remember that one- and there are many other kinds and generous, but I think those are counted the main the main ones they want people. The three main genres yeah that fair, I think, sir, so we already chemisette it when you're reading three most of the time you reading it silently to yourself. It is now a you're supposed to do more poems are written to be read out loud, even if to your just

so yeah, yeah and dumb. Apparently what what the first time from this, how to read a poem essay, the first time you go to reappoint just read it aloud and it points out that you will notice a lot of stuff about the poor and you don't have to get the meaning right away, but you wanted just basically red I allowed at least once in that alone, is going to raise a lot of different. Flags and markers about the poem two you Yankees when you read it out loud. This sounds that the words make start to really come out and that's really what starts to differentiate poetry, from prose the fact that Basically, sound effects are used here in this written part. Yet like a laser, Pooh Pooh, that's how you readable

Rhyme, obviously, is the most common, or maybe at least most recognisable sound effect, pew, that might be adoration. Now that gonna get it, No that's anemone appear onomatopoeia right, ah snapped a pop english major, we all know it. Rhymes are so we're not gonna insult you the definition. But there are also things like near rhymes area or slant rhymes which are win while China, when you can think of the worthy they rhymes, but you can get one. It's close, so Emily Dickinson apparently was a master of the slant rhyme. Yes, her bare and far close united in realising all it's stupid and lacks swat. The book offer your desk don't like bear an orange Nothing rather than our dream that I set it supposedly right.

I've never heard anything that rhymes with orange. I'm sure there's some Emails coming on our more and there are a couple of other things we can talk like a liberation and consonants with in a and c consonants a good example Mommy's mommy was no common. Dummy. That may sound. Well, it's not necessarily at the beginning of the the word right at the beginning of a bunch of different words close together. That would be a liberation right, but they are specifically confidence. The obliteration you're right that, as you know, the big Brown Bear Bit Benes, but poor Ben What about accidents? That's one of my favorites though, instead that's where it can be tough to pick up on it's where a vow is

repeated or avowal sound is repeated in a number of words close together somewhere in the word right like the rain and Spain follows gently the plane think mainly on the plane whatever or Alex. Employees, and here I might like to fight nine pirates at a time that has given all the stuff. I love like this is poetry a playful quality to me right when a poet sits down in Europe a lot of thought and it is pull off something like that. You know yeah. You're, trying to also tell a story. Oh yeah, Nyc too, to be a genuine poet- is to be probably one of the most cream even technically proficient dear artist.

Around the great it's gotta, be one of the most difficult things to to do. Well, I think, agreed you don't think about it. You're great director! Well, you ve got a camera to assist you in really get your vision across. You ve got this technology you're author of prayer, Well, how many pages did it take you to get your point across right? You are musician, that's great! your violin Bravo poet, you get a quill yeah, an inkwell, some paper better, get it right. It's a tough breaches Well, I wouldn't know what to say earlier liberation, but you said it was onomatopoeia yeah. That's that the one where the word sounds. Like the word it s got right, like bang, beep, snap, crackle pop buzz, yet snap and crackled crackle don't forget per import clash

I like that. Like those words, I would love to see this episode animated, dear member, that do not use the animator. They were great men. They were better than the actual episodes frightened and that, at this, one, I think would be very, impossible to animate. I think you're right, and these, of course, or distant sorted. Some of the most common sound effects are many tools. So it can pull out the old tool box and use right at their disposal so sometimes I found that when you are forced to work within a structure, highly structured environment year you you're, able to be creative thing you might be. If it's just like here go crazy, No rules here, because then you have to like you just think but the edges the boundaries and then you have to think about how to get creative people need structure. So if the structure is given to you it's it's

sometimes to kind of play within that structure and a really let you wings spread I think is one reason why pole have certain doctors. Even though really it's a free for all, you can to do whatever you want to call it a poem but their plight. Structures in their certain parts, a poem structure that you can find in almost any poem we are in these structures or just things that were repeated enough by enough people. Could someone did at first strike and someone else ought hey? That's pretty clever enough people did it to where it became. You know, Cannon cannon sure can structure like, for instance, as it stands, is in prose reappear. Robson and poverty of stanzas. It's like a poems paragraph, yeah, you know how you ve actually type there on. The page is very much thought out as in where are you the line breaks to the next line and where you might put that period

If you, if you break in its up You can have one sentence at Super long and one line and then three words of a sentence on another line, and then one word one word: one learn on each line: every gonna hate your poem by now, not at this year could any that or if you choose to break a sense in the middle of line and acts as an aim is called enchantment and it's all part of like this wacky crazy poetic your world, but that's the thing in there actually is a type of poetry, called concrete poetry, where the shape that the palm takes on the page, is, is meant to to visualize, something to be depiction of like a picture. Secondly, I am not either. I think most poets are the ones I do it's light so like a palm of a windy river is like type in such a way that if you blow your eyes, looks like a Wendy River shirt right. That's good! Colleagues, create poem. I believe

on the nose is another word for right, yeah. So much poem most poets aren't making lines are not doing in jam it from me to make a picture its taped. It meant you have to either point now a worker to play with a series of words or just to worm create a rhythm that otherwise they wouldn't be able to. If they just did sentence by sentence on a line, you know, even when I wrote as a novice that Poland that I submitted I found of doing that just instinctively after study poetry and stuff. Like this word, a capitalize it and it's gonna go online by itself right they owe their love. This network is gonna, go crazy! That's what I thought so I ran across a guy named Robert Greeley, whose apparently very well known for his enchantment, so he can seriously. So here's,

from the language or part of some lines from his poem, the language law, I love you somewhere in teeth in eyes, bite it. But if you just read it like that, it's whatever to Poland, This is how it has the line, breaks and apparently he's well known for reading his poems out loud in like leaving a beat after just about every line Kate. I, love you some wherein teeth and eyes by it, but right. Ok to see everybody in a cafe gone like this. If it happened after that, this guy's like a mastermind German, because if you take a look at it, especially when you look at it just really changes the meaning of the words. Yet and it master of him jam. It should be a rat in future Apparently take your I was.

Thank you. You take your last. The last meal you ate and put Lille in front of it. I'm low Roman. Fried chicken and egg column. Really that's what he had been where'd. You get. It hop soon o downstairs good here I've had a chicken. I haven't the greens, other great I'll, try and Harvard they're like not mushy they're, not undertake to their great. I had the from downstairs. Yellowskins does my most common meal here low Robin The dark the dawned on maybe a little dawned on would be better little dawned on Roman, well valentines good little nachos for a little while something you ve been yet another real here as for about eight hours. I'd so there's something else called it. The sea, sir. I see a e s. You are a yeah

suppliers in the middle of a line. Again these are obvious. That is where there's a period in the middle of a while. That's an enchantment! No one in German is like a break a break in the Senate. The other say Sera is rioters punctuation, typically a period in them the way I had this backwards, and these are- You know ways to play with the structural effect of your problem. Basically exactly you can you know. Rhine scheme is a have you taken any kind of english class? You definitely what hammer home the rhyme scheme of it, question. You know like what is the Rhine scheme of this poem? and that's the pattern in there pattern and in the law and basically- and you know it maybe a year a b b, depending on what rhymes, with what right. In the they re scheme is always described by like that. So you, depending on how many lines and say you, have four lines you ve got

a b c and d, while the right the lines that rhyme say your first and third in second and fourth rhyme they're going to share the same letter. Righto aid be aid, be, is how your rhyme scheme would be written out and anybody who knows, poetry, available, look at that and understand what what lines of the poem rhyme is pretty simple, I think I just made it worse. Harder than it actually is nothing so meter you ve, probably heard to talk about meter too, and that the actual rhythmic structure. And dumb there. You are mainly talking about the stresses on the syllables right and this to me is one of the really neat things about poetry is the sort of and the senator use in here is actually Goodwin he'd like to have some pumpkin pie. You know that That stressed is very

this very sing song. He and sort of playful here you know that at that at that, at that it's almost like a dance in your mouth, always dance around one. I'm asking for a punk imply had like to have some pumpkin pie. That's how you just a jazz him. And again. This is how you know your stressing the words and how you're playing with words and that's the meter yeah creature, damn right. So in a meter, the boy the unit of a meter is afoot in its a foot is it can be. Any number of stressed in unstressed syllables usually up to four right, there's different names for different types of feet, so Everyone's furtive, I am back contaminate yeah Up until yesterday, I had no idea what I m back. Pen taverner really was a Shakespeare. She wrote in a lot right. I am is actually it's a foot. Is it is a type of in unstressed. So oh pairing. That is,

to create the meter of a poem. So an I am is and unstressed syllable followed by. The stress syllable right, the example is article gives us the word partake yeah right, so partisans just take has a little more of a stress to right and if you put five comes together, so part take part. Take part. Take take partake, very right, one line of a poem, yet you what you have theirs. I am big pent amateur Penta, meaning five in five five. I am on the wine making up the meter. Arabic contaminate. Theirs you different kinds of meters that a palm can have based on the type stress and unstressed syllable pairing. And then the number of times that type of pairing appears on a given wine year. If you had four I am, it would be. I am tetra amateur right and so on and so on.

There's another one. If, like the Banjo distress syllable, followed by an unstressed syllable. The trophy. And you can have a truck hayek, pent amateur, that's five trophies online which sounds, I mean all the sounds very dense, but it's actually pretty straightforward year once you can another, with the words mean behind it right. What else is there There is a directive which is a stress syllable, followed by two unstressed syllables, like capital capital, yet not offended us now. What about the Anna PEST? not bad. That's too unstressed followed by a stressed the example. To give a seventeen Kipling There was a big fan of the Anna passed, an answer brush Is an unstressed syllable, followed by stress, elbow and then another unstressed syllable celebrate MIKE Archaic. Lastly, there is the critic, that's my favorite, so it

stressed, unstressed stress like trampoline. Yes, we're trampoline, my big fan of the critic life but think of a thing about this. The like that again when our certainly kind of like pull back the curtain, and this is what poets are dealing with. This is this kind of stuff scribes, a wine yeah Of wine will have different types of these. Types of metres. These different feet that make up these different types of meter. Why? I and my hope, with this episode- is that if you slept through this in English ass. You, may Listen now and say: oh hey, that's actually Kennedy. When you think about it in those terms here at the very least, I hope you realize how hard poets are workin sure to go and appreciated by most people, yet the earning the lack of money that they don't make right. I was thinking of the break, Pour went out for the poets

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So check this types of poet, poetry to failure, You take care, you take all these the structure, or these differ facts in Europe, different types upon in putting together right so assign it has, civic rhyme scheme. It's gotta Fourteen lines long arousing interest, your poem and gum causes, The sun! It about It is one that some Britain, stands as a four lines. Each has its Civic meter of I am back TAT tram after which is four four I am per line, and then alternates with I am but try meter three items per line. Yes,

and they want I've always heard also is first to basically it's busted narrative right. At least as far as music goes a narrative yeah, but I'm not sure it's probably thing and poultry right. I would think, sir, if we know it is in a song yeah. Unlike murder ballad specifically, which is the fact that I think I want to put the dams whenever ideas you're an entire show on murder, ballots, yeah. About oil. Rich tradition is such thing: oh yeah, it's like huge Jim next colored singing briskly ballads These are our laws, theirs it Heisenberg got his own on breaking bad, really combat Aubrey. I can't go Haiku boy, oh boy, in the early days of stuff, you should now yet we put out a call. I coups or Haiku Haiku Porter,

and tradition. I give us three lines on five syllables and the first line. Seven. The levels in the second and five in the third an arm All these years later, occasionally we will still get the random I come from a listener, but we got him a lot for a while and until we said, stop the guy you goddess by sending Anna Haiku, and it was well t shirt. We're ready on the air, I think that's when we should stop here, see us. That Astina as see. I am a This was a little different. Instead of a rhyme scheme, it repeats words, so it has broken into stands as each was six lines and the sea words and each line I'm sorry, yet. Am the first answer then repeated his inwards and every their stanza right, and I think you have an example here be John NASH,

on farm implements and router beggars in a landscape. Yeah everybody go look at their palm and read it out loud to yourself is actually really kind of difficult. The way it's laid out, you should read the first couple. Standards may be: ok, that's Aragon, along the way it is along the first of them. Under coded messages, red pop I sits in thunder unthought of shoe box of an apartment from Curtains. Hugh attain Graham emerges a country, Meanwhile, the sea hag was relaxing on agreeing couch how pleasant if you start reading it like William Shatner, Canada spend ones vacation. Unlike CASA de Popeye, she scratched her. Chin, solitary hair, she remembered spinach and so throughout this poem spinach thunder apart and well? Apparently, three other words come through

and a re use throughout the whole of the whole parliament and it gets really really dance and all decided zooms out on the pop I who finally makes an appearance at the end and it just comes kinder and it gets egg. It's it's a neat poem. Actually, it's called bicycle and farm implements and rude beggars in a landscape by John Ass, very check it out. And again to me, this is like the fun of poetry Is it's almost like a challenge rider to say like right try to write astina. Like this weird structure, and not only do you have to meet the needs of that structure, but it has to be good and creative an interesting right. This really need to me. I love the come wordplay, I'm accelerating poetry,. In addition, a villa now, one of them, famous poems of all time. MRS Doyle.

Go gentle into that good night. The villain now and it's a nineteen line palm that it only it's made up of only two and rhyme sounds that are repeated throughout the poem which is tough on its own. But then to make things even worse or not worse, but more trickier tricky for the writer worse. The first and third lines are repeated in a specific pattern, all through the palm and I guess I ll read the first couple of that's from this one or with the whole thing now Rage rage against the dying of light, the wise men at their end, no dark is right, because their words had Fort evening. They do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by crying how bright their free deeds might have dance in a green bay rage rage. Hence the dying of the light. So on this planet.

A famous example about time. The villain l that you think, oh yeah, for sure it's a good, that's good, I think one of the reasons why the poem so famous in universally loved is because it's you understand what it means: yeah, it's pretty pre superficial, really as far as poems guy, I'm sure way more stuff going on right beneath the surface, you can also appreciated on its face as well. That's about it in a dying father, something right sure, but it's also briskly called arms to go live like don't ever just give in to death in your impending mortality like live, lived, live until With so much that you rage against the idea of dying, eventually you need to go home and watch dead, poets society, your basically just described the plot area, an ode, something you celebrates Wilson owed,

but it's a person or not either. Secondly, we can celebrate anything, but it's an ode to them. Yet TAT is to say, hey you. Reach up. Here's a poem for you, which is sort of like an elegy, but an energy is about someone who died here. Did you read analogy for five old Ladys by Thomas James Martin that this this article now that good yards? It's unusual in that it's about a in actual real life, a vent work, belief in assisted living home. Maybe in the sixties I think older women were in a car waiting for the driver and I think the em they car, the transmission came out of park in it rolled Ando alike and they all drowned and Martin. I guess read about it in the New York Times and was moved to write a poem about a mile which is,

the whole as a bizarre poem all around, especially the fact that it was based on a true story want to check them out. There epigrams Darwin Did you read out you'll go ahead so of ever grandma's upon its like satirical or funny, yet of this one's funny, but it's it's maybe satirical. Existentialist satirical parent. A man said to the universe. Sir. I exist, however, play the universe. The factors not created in me, a sense of obligation you did a few times. It gets better then you have really really niece type of palm and aid a you be a d leave his heart pronounced and it's about arrival of mourning it's not about the arrival morning: it's not an obeyed! If it is it, yeah and allow times wink

Arrival of mourning means hey made some sweet love and I'm really the sun comes up because last night was a gas, were, I think this road in obeyed off the top of your head excel, and then an epistle a poem. Usually that's addressed to someone close to the poet. And the other. Some overlap with these for sure. Yet I can epistle can also be well. Could be an epigram, I guess sure, this, a that this article, this article on how the votes really good job, I suspect, is written by an english professor yeah poetry expert clearly wrote this this is not just from research, so that the author calls out

palm called dear mister Finelli as an example of a pistol, and I will read it and it is really interesting. It's about this guy who notices there. So it's basically is like an open letter to Mr Fanelli Boat, Fanelli invited correspondence because he's the like the manager of a subway station, seventy nine Street Subway station and there's a sign that says notice any need of improvement. Sir anything wrong get in touch with me: the manager, Mr Fanelli of seventy nine Street Subway station, and so the in writing to him with questions in a certain This kind of devolve kinda, like this exit Joe crisis that the guy's going through an he reveals that he hasn't been sleeping very well, can really worried about the world and it is really goes off the rails. Now it's a pretty neat poem, dear Mister Fanelli. By Charles Bernstein not to check that out and you know we talk,

specifically about what a lot of these poems are using, literary effects and anything that use in your prose you know, symbolism and metaphor, and similarly you also can and in fact oftentimes use and poems we obviously is something where you have to use like or as that, hillside is, is like a white vehicle from a hillside is like a beer, but go ahead. That, whereas a metaphor is saying something is something else that fat side is a beer belly right, and the example they used is the wonderful upon the road not taken when it you talkin metaphor its maybe more about your life choices than the actual road, this written about right,

not that frost in the road not taken doesn't even say and by the way, These roads are really a metaphor for your life choices. Yeah. It's is left to the reader to make that gas, an assumption which makes a far better poem. There is like at the end- is like really your life choices. I was talking about this whole time. Yet If I remember my palm correctly, it was about the pile of leaves even that I didn't reference might have been about the year. The boys that the child I qualities but ultimately fade away right with age near which are, and I was right and that when I was twenty two years old, you gotta find that poem, yes it's probably not as good as I remember poems red yoga too I may have one. I was talking about newer poets and imagine Derek Brown who are

the dude and you should go see Derek. If you have a chance, it's always a fine time, Some of us forms a very funny sum of emerges, beautiful love, arms, it biking. I see the Ladys in the audience Swimming in their see a little bit like your swooning yeah. They soon he does a good job of that. A distance call ringlets and dumb he's quite a few books. I think one from another area young, prom, ladys and mild dresses and ringlets mingle outside the restaurant in oversize men suit jackets, their dates smoking, shivering, pretending not to shiver the thing you it was dead is not dead. No virgin deserves a cigarette. We should head emergency room and just pop our heads and say hello, tell them, we are all right, so they don't think we only visit when things are bad, we're breathing without tubes. Today, make pills. Yet for this feeling, like finding fruit in the snow. I want to call

cocktails and black tire Jack's from the Heavens. I want to break into something that kind of good your eyes or the kind we have all been waiting for. When I hear a single note sustained in a room with badly I think of us both of our body, shivering nice. It's tough and that's an example of just you know what it is. I mean playful, but some of them are really really funny like his counterpart comedian, sometimes I fear there. Brown therefrom gets tough We need to talk about poetry, slams, didn't you do it was kind of like a championship nodding? Yes, talk about poetry, slightly tournament or you, your poetry and you move on and I am assuming I've never seen one, but I dont think you take the same poem from planet round around around. Hopefully, you have different parts of people have to hear the same one like four five times. Anything at the end,

and tat you like Russell, as is the tradition you got I do I'm going to say f, but that's not why Philip Larkin Rights, ok, Phil broken his British. I think he's writing in this fifty sixty. Maybe I think- and he is good- you may introduce me this one's called this be the verse they effort. Your mom and dad, they may not mean too, but they do they fill you with the false they had enough extra just for you, but they were up in their turn by fools in old style hats in coats who the time or soppy stern and at one another's throats and hands on misery to man. It deepens like Coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can it dont have any kids yourself

That's a lie upon this, be the verse and I'm gonna finish with some. Probably my favorite new poet. New meaningless around now is the burden of the ban silver Jews who are I got into them, because he did and now he's he's bodies with stigma. Listen, Bognor Stankievitch from pavement well and those amalgamation Saellvertu. He was for a couple of Alan Sound and so is the standard which and Burma was the songwriter again and it was kind of mountainous aside project an shut up in this I bet you I gotta know now because of this progress from getting to meet my heroes, anyway, Berman he's, but not many books of poetry, one unskilled actual air which, on the cover, features King Queen building over and dunwoodie, which has company the way the skull imagining defeat, but David Berman She woke me up at dawn her suitcase like a little brown dog,

at her heels. I sat up look out the window at the snow following in the standard, blackjack trees and Stick it in her hand. Then she brought something black up to her mouth aplomb. I thought, but it, and asthma. Button alibi, I reached under the bed for my mentor and she asked if I ever thought of cancer. Yes, I said but always as a tree weigh up ahead in the distance where it doesn't matter. Both dead soul, must look back at that tree. So far behind his wagon, where it also doesn't matter. That is a memory of rest or water. Though, to believe any of that, I thought you have to accept the premise She woke me up at all. They vermin While I was good get one that's why I want to go back and read again. You can do that here. Ok man we poetry, man. Yet we didn't mention illustrations or you know you can have illustrations with your poetry. It's not the

like the great Shall Silverstone article points out very famous reason: great illustrations to enrich poetry yeah. Sometimes you wouldn't really get the palm without the illustration like something missing about a man who sit there like, I dressed myself, a needless stuff, all the stuff that he you put on here, but he still feel like something is missing and then an illustration, our pants, so you wouldn't get at dinner or my poem. I might have an image of a kid. Fishing in a pilot leaves but you would never say that that's what he was doing. It would just end and then have an arrow pointing to the picture and underneath the arrow it say get it The questioner, if you want to know more about poetry, there are a lot of places that you could start like. Go to the poetry Foundation, for example, there'd be a great resource for you to find some poems to start reading aloud yourself in bedroom at night alone, your surfing

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