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This is another one of those that tough topic starting to be loaded with jokes. No, I can't couldn't. I can't think of a single one in any time, like a sorry to be like of May, we should call it jokes now does not like we do that anyway. Right, like this, would be a good place for a joke when we get our writers on it here in brackets. Yes, obviously I mean if you saw the title about rape kits, Hopefully that is the trigger warning you need, but we might as well to say out loud during your warning for this one, We need to say the growing we're pretty much me. I'm talking about rape sexual all in general, and specifically, I want to say Chuck. I've had on the list for a really long time. Rape as a topic assure off definitely deserves it, but it's I've, just been kind of in past it every time I go on the list right, I think its due, especially after this one yet,

it's almost like we needed to do this from first, or else it wouldn't be stuff. You should know right if we didn't do something tangential, Edward Vigour top we'll do that eventually yet, and also this comes out, this is one of those happenstance things as I was searching in reading the stuff like, oh you know it chicken see when sexual assault awareness month as it turned out its April, and it turned out that April second, the day that this drops is day of action, so they encourage people to wear teal on April. Second, which is today, I'm almost anywhere in field weighing words, mink green, but it's awfully closed to tee, adds weird how this is our coming together: ass, so you know action. They should be first sexual assault awareness month what it should be like a purge like the very different yeah. That's it

hence in the movie, but I gotta Ivan either. But another premise in that sexual assault awareness month is carried out by an Sb Arcy dot, Org, the natural national sexual violence resources it also. We're doing a lot of precursory here. Ok, There is one section here on what to do. If you ve been sexually assaulted to deeds. Yeah explaining this, like just do this. Like we're not taking it that likely. You know right like it. We know that it is extremely difficult to do anything much less like follow all the exact steps, so any sexual assaults and rapes get unreported for a thousand reasons, so we're not in the slightly, but this is our job what we do, and this is an important topic so sure please excuse to deeds, explaining a section on what to do in your sexual

but I, but I think that also raises another point. Want I want to touch on two chuck. Sexual assault doesn't just happen. A women sure happens. Dementia. The Trans community is also a big targeting sexual assault, unfortunately, so while it is largely women yen from what I've seen women between eighteen and thirty five hits all demographics and in targets for term across the across the spectrum of human being right, including men here. So I want to say that her right now on with the show. So we do the history. Firstly, those things so I think we should say what a rape could actually is allowed it that's something we always do wrong. Nowhere do no right, though we ve hit everything right so far. I think I think, a rape kit, so sorry, everybody to keep saying rape kid you there also called sexual assault, evidence, collection. Kids. You can understand why people call

m rape, kids yeah, but from here on labels is trying to kid sure they, they are really simply a box. I saw shoe box size, Ed, says twelve in size just depends on the oven to behold. Go back this year in inside this box? Is a all the stuff you need to collect the evidence of a sexual. Who thought he had better. Professional users is not like a home thing, you know, but it does include such thorough step by step directions that someone who's not specifically trained to do this Ryan Kin. Can kid can can carry out this kind of on examining nation. I wanted everyone does this like? Can you Can you buy these and perform this at home desire to? But thousand reasons. Why you wouldn't go into a hospital? I think that you you can you can

buy them from medical supply or law enforcement supply places both of them sell kits in there actually relatively cheap assault between five hundred and fifteen twenty five bucks. Oh yeah, you totally could do, and it is probably not the defence budget, You holes in it all day long and the jury be like Brown, which authority already looking to do part of the part of the process of of collecting, as evidenced in combining it altogether to create this. This kid is: it begins a chain of custody and if you do it at home and then bring it in they're gonna be like come on you and there are a lot of problems with the chain of custody that were obviously gonna cover as well. When you leave it to the professionals. Right is disturbing. But it is a big mouth, but it still more. Often than not, it seems to be. It seems, you, ve been a good invention, church and that is a thing. It is an invention, and it wasn't always around its actually relatively new invention. I wasn't until I think not

Seventy eight at the first ones actually came into official you spy- the job, I believe the police department in Chicago and then later on, Illinois, which served a bit of a laboratory for it, and it was so successful that within another year, Sir, to spread around the country yet I mean it sounds like it's hard to believe, but just collecting and having the tools in a box in collecting the including it in a box for storage. Just alone coming around went a long way towards helping victims. Taken seriously ill, legitimizing, rape and sexual assault. Yeah, I mean it's sad, but that's that's the case when they were first brought out of. There were called vitiello kits and a lot of circle be idee. You o o o Louis, So never know I'm Thinkin synergies in Chicago,

who is Lula really allow a thought, you're going to say Louis, I guess you're gonna go. I think it be. I E. If it were in Chicago we all go. Louis was calm, Chicago, LU, LU, Adela, now, Zenza mobster. Here she go leave a dealer. I think the vetoes really now helping now, but he was not a monster. He was actually worked in the Chicago pities forensic crime, lab Huh was a surgeon and lieutenant who did not invent the rape kit, but he was charged with sort of codifying it and putting his stamp because he was one of the first people. In law enforcement that was trying to create a standardized procedure. Yet he was already very well respected, forensic investigator gins. So for him to say, hey, I'm a big city, forensic investigator. Why we respected in this thing? Is the bomb? Yes, this is a great invention. We should all start using it and here's how you're really help spread and give it

boost early on by even though they were called the two o kits there's that its status like he was like. I invented this convent, no, not at all. I think he was just known in the mind of other law enforcement agents that, like that, socio him in in these kids. So that's where everybody else called it but really, if you want him kneel down an inventor of the rape, kid was a woman named more Marty, Goddard, yeah Goddard and the two, are read some interviews with his grand kids in a secure really proudly. See they still letters from peoples when women Goddard as she is unplugged I saw one interview with her where they talked about an organ it cover this heavily later, but the the kit backlog She didn't even know about it because she's, like no tv,

no newspapers. She really just sort of checked out, and she was like that's really sad to hear about that. It is very said, so I saw some clothes somewhere. That I think is to us grandkids said that he would be spinning here, even if he knew about this backlog, which will get you later Goddard was a survivor of sexual assault and she together with some other victims, basically the writing was on the wall like the Vienna. Things were being taken seriously and me. Police department, yet she saw first hand better than that they weren't collecting. Its correctly, that they weren't they weren't taking it seriously, which is still a huge problem right and she's. She did this. Do something about it, while the first questions and still in a lot of areas, probably the first question still or like well well Situation were unaware and then, if it starts with well, to guide a bar, the near sorted discounted like out of the gate, yet

very, very sad and very unfair by she formed a group called citizens for victims. Assistance in the nineteen seventies and went to work like she said she was doing sixteen our days visiting hospitals Talkin to cops going to police stations lawyers, judges, basically learning and working on everyone. She could about how to get a better system going right, but she needed money and she got that from of all places. The Playboy foundation, the Hue Hefner's foundation, has daughter, Cristina Friends with Marty Goddard and down they think Playboy gave, her ten grand, which is equally about forty two green in today's money here, and that was in to go start assembling. These kids because one of the points from the outset of these, these kids is that they be inexpensive because huh

did they do they want to remove, as many barriers is possible for hospitals to start India earning their sword widely in one one really easy way to do. It was to say here these are virtually free. Or in some cases these are free, because this community, raised a bunch of money to purchase the implements of kits put him altogether and now here year you just use, that's all which is success story in and of itself when you know how like big former works in the local community in America, like I could have seen this being like. Will these swabs an umbrella since comes This'Ll, be seven thousand dollars right per kit. Yes, because we put it on a box for you, Marty Goddard got in the way of that from the outset, and still to this day I mean that's, why they're not any more than five, ME five dollars, even from a medical supplier, you're amazing, yeah she's, a hashtag hero. We do not now has taken it. Yeah

relate to the game. My friend, as I would have you heard about, has take think sure you gotta go either you're making getting there than in his hand. Hashtag see a need get a funny in there said that they were developed before dna evidence was even around. So this was back when it was just like her. In fibre, fingernails and stuff, like that I am still very valuable I think, one of the kids, that sort of in these days is what is known as the south western sexual assault. Evidence collection kit signals the gold standard. I guess so in its called southwestern oversee. It was in Texas, the attorney general office there and ninety ninety eight kind of created this one and that sort of, like you, said the one that people look too

or based there's on giving them in there they took the groundwork. Marty Goddard came up with going from two all of what you'd call in the corporate world and buzzed speak all the stakeholders in the process of Branding convicting people who are who sexually salt other people, yet you know scumbags do so much to him answers and she figured out exactly how it is to put together and laid the groundwork away from what I understand in the early nineties, the Texas, some, the Texas Attorney General's office, said let slip purifies Let's make it even better like using what we know and then that's what's a noose largely today, although you gonna find different kiss, there's, no there's no actual sentence, a de facto standard right and in the same point different hospitals, you go to even in the same state, are going to follow slightly different procedures and they might use slightly different kid, but some Kate, some states have said no. This,

important enough, like here How you do this here is the law of how you conductor, rape, kid examination, yeah, and so In particular, you know his stamp of approval. Her working hard to get these things. Europe built from the ground The work that they did together was like really said standard in the late seventies, for this across the country, just becoming just me on a more normalize way to collect evidence, men take it more seriously right. Big deal big when you're, not just literally having you know all the implementing. You need to conduct this investigation, but just a very presence of these sexual assault evidence collected at it. The fact that they exist says law It is a bigger deal. We ve been treating right. You might take a break. Yell astute we're gonna, take a break out by honor, if you just heard, but will be ripe we just heard, but we'll be right back

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bodies dump somewhere, your beer body is still a crime seizure. You're walking around moving. You can actually contaminate the very crime scene from your assault. Just by do things that any normal human being would want to do here after being sexually assaulted for shit. It's in that sense of very unique kind of some kind of crime scene and that's what sexual assault evidence. Collection, kisser for is to step by step methodically systematically collect their evidence in in in preserve it so that it can later be analyzed in using court? Yes, oh these! the recommended steps. If you ve been a victim and like it, there are a thousand reasons that you would not want to do anything all of these things, and we totally get that but- and I think it in a really good way in this article, we said to receive the best possible care just medically for yourself ended

the best chances of collecting good evidence, needs to be within a twenty four hour window. Ideally critical. The twenty four is critical in the apparently up to three days it still viable, but after three days most experts, I could steer agony. And as far as DNA, which is the real really what you're looking for you will be very upset in the being literal shock, you may have had one or more panic attacks. All of these things make very difficult to carry out like logical steps, but experts say that the first You wanna do obviously is get somewhere safe as soon as you can get away if your attacker is around and try and finds- one, you know an advocate for you, whether it's a friend or a family member who content of be with you in the first. You know hours after this, this horrific event, as happened new, go to the emergency room. Even

if you're, not injured, quote unquote physically, like You really should go to the emergency room as soon as you can. This is a big one, not just because the amount The system is where you're going to have this kid administered yeah, but also because it takes such tremendous reserve to draw in such and its reserves to take yourself out of the car in safety of your home would yet rightly where you went to not take a shower our, which is another huge step to write into just say, I'm going to go to the emergency room and in undergo this procedure and lead a bunch of strangers poking, probably and tell them about what has happened, bets the ideal of what you're supposed to do tat. But if you look at in their respect, that's just such a that such a huge on top of what should happen, said that that this is required of you too, to catch the personages, did it right? I mean from up from a bicycle:

this perspective. It just makes me want to catch him even more. You know that's year on top of the assault as well yeah, because the US now like the trauma is over, for you right in any way, may never be, but go to the as soon as you can, if it's not right, if you, if you go to sleep and wake up the next day, You can go to the emergency room, then, like it's just important that you go whenever you feel like you can do so he said it's probably the least into The thing you could imagine two not to shower and bade yourself, but that that gets rid of a lot of evidence. So it It's almost zero, but they say please do not shower yeah. Please, please, capital p. If you you should keep them

because you're wearing on, if you can live, understandably, you can't or dont want to save them remain a bag and take him to the year with you. If you have the wherewithal to change clothes, and this is something that there will have, you do and hospital. Have you stand over like like, but your paper or maybe even a towel. If you have the wherewithal to do that, wherever you are whether to homer and a hotel or someplace put that in their too, because When your changing your clothes, that's when you know dna evidence can can fall out what to hear right or whatever anyone for particles righteous, collect everything you can and put it in a bag. Sir, do not wash those clothes and then take those with you to the emergency room in the last thing you should know just if you're going to an emergency room any if you are tested with this runs it kid you're not required to file a pill.

Report ever that's a big one, but especially right away. It's not like they're gonna have a cop in their grilling. You, you can file this police report whenever you want to give you are not comfortable filing a police report right then you can do it's called a Jane, DOE or imagine a John DOE examination where they just go through all the steps, collect all the evidence, but you never see a cup there. They don't call. Until after you left. So So that's a big one for a lot of people. Sure the ed points out, though, in some states there is still a statute of limitations of between ten and twenty one years. Already some states have removed the statute of limitations for a felony sexual assault, but they're they're. There can be a clock ticking right, but we're talking ten years right at the scenario for so yeah you don't have to do. This is of the ep to knock out their day right, if you don't want to, if you're not ready to get

you go to the hour for a this kind of examining You are signing up for a few hours is going to take a few hours, is not a quick procedure. Now, there's something else you should know that I really hope on discourage you, but you should go into a knowing it is it's an invasive procedure here they have to like evidence from everywhere. The that, though the guy you did this to you, can you did this to you was right, also going to ask you they're, going to take an oral history in they're, going to ask you to basically recount the worst thing that what happened to you within twenty four hours after it happen and then they're gonna go over all the spots with things like swabs and tweezers combs and things like that to collect this evidence is gonna. Take a while, but You should expect to be treated very gently and with a true this amount of respect from the p,

but who are going to administer this examination and I would guess to a hospital there. Be councillors available. They are to be there with you. If you don't have a friend or a family member there with you, yeah in rural areas or where they still need to do a lot of catch up, work in hospitals and things like that, but if you're in any major city there will almost one hundred percent chance that you'll have what's called a sexual assault. Nurse examiner on staff- this is a nurse was received extra training, like we said before, like any nurse can do this anymore, before, like any nurse, can do this into a great job but if you have a essay any assain trained person on staff, then that's who you ll be seeing when you know like you said in rural areas, it is. This is tough to staff up her for things like so there are still doing all they can to get grant money and stuff like that to get these people trained up. Yes, it's a question of extra funding

If you give a hospital funding that set aside for saying nurses, you just created a new position in a hospital. I wasn't there before you have given the nursing staff there, an incentive to go further, their education invest in their education so that they can have a better job right in the same hospital and help people is while. So it's really just a question of of funding that's it. I mean a lot of stuff. Sadly, is the question of funding the actual? Luckily, there is enough agitation, at the bottom right death that the the did pocketbooks have loosened up over recent years right it is. It is something that it hasn't been right in you know, this is the right thing to do for sure. Consent is a big part of the. Consent is a big part of the entire procedure. They're gonna ask you basically before everything like hey, I have a special, and here we need to do

virginal exam. Is that ok with you and you can say? No, any and all of this stuff. This is all too you yeah on how you want to proceed with a civilian ass for your consent for the whole procedure first and then step by step before each. They're going to ask for your concern is while they in their can explain. What's coming up like you the air and as far as the interview portion, this is real important stuff as far as what will eventually went up with investigators and am, and the questions about like this isn't to set you up for a future. You know grilling by a prosecutor right necessarily but me no drilling by a prosecutor right necessarily but like if you, you may have been drug or you may have had a drink spiked or something like that right. So all of this is like just super super, coordinate, so they need to know they need to say: hey future LAB tech, test for roof and all right or something like that, whatever

if that, if you were in a bar- and you suddenly woke up on the side of the road bright, if that that's the kind of history there taking for you for those reasons. Not now, you know what are you doing in a bar by yourself, the area? That's not what this is again. This is not a good detective ask performing this exam, they might even be aware of your case, yet right, z, trained nurse or at the very least in a registered nurse who is performing this with one, would expect a tremendous amount of like Passion, idiotic from absolutely you're gonna, be giving blood in urine samples. This super important to provide a dna. Baseline. They will pluck hairs from your scalp. They will swab your mouth. They wore use a com to collect pubic care. There will be No, what we already mentioned genital exam, whether its vat

no or anal. They really, like you said they. This they have to. Go over with a sort of a fine tooth comb everywhere, where the assault happen. Yeah we're gonna, ask you awful questions like where you penetrated Ainly was in subject use stood. The perpetrator like you were kiss you or anything like that right and differ depending on these questions are going to investigate further, but they're going to they're going to follow certain steps that no matter what. But then, if you say yes, the gale licked, my unlike my left, cheek right, there's gonna be a swamp. You left cheek variety, otherwise may not have included in the normal steps. Here and again. This is like a meaning and imagine having to relive something like this in their right within like Twitter,

four hours I early twenty four hours after it happened like the worst thing that happened to you in your life. Let's talk about a here point to where it happened here. You know it from a stranger well, and there are plenty of interviews it that we both read where you know women said was it was released and I felt like I was being even with a grin care given like I was being assaulted all over again, is just so important to try and try and do if he can, if you can get there If you can't there's no blame, there's no German, like its that's it, that's a normal react, and this is a lot to ask from somebody at this is what it takes two to collect the in some preserve in a way that you can catch the person who did this yet again test for well, required actually detest, were stds, but they will ask you about Stds I would imagine, ask if you wanna be tested sure they, offer emergency contraception as well, and it

not going to be charged for that procedure or the kit. Here's the thing your girl, your you shouldn't, be! No, you won't be not further, not for the these. The maladministration of the kit right, which is that's great, that substantial means a sixteen other key, but this is also for five hours of an e r nurses bright, potentially a highly trained nurses time. So it's great they're not charging you, but what's what a shame with shame, full I should say is that you will still be cha. For any treatment of injury. Sir. I, like you, you hit engines be treated with eyes, ditches or whatever you'll get a bill for stitches? You say you. I do want antiviral drugs because I'm afraid of having contracted in std or I do want emergency contraception, the say here's your prescription and the pharmacist will charge you for that. Yeah, that's, not ok! As a society, we should not ask rape and sexual assault,

comes to pay for their own medical treatment for directly coming from a rape or a sexual assault. We should bear that burden ourselves and then it should give us that even slighter, additional incentive to go, get the guy. Who did it right? You don't mean nobody should pay assent and then even and then I'm sorry realism, standing on a pretty big soapbox right now, but worse than that shook prior to the affordable care act. You could not. You it was possible that you would be denied future health care coverage insurance. If you were there some of us sexual assault, rape who went to go get treatment because they treated as a pre existing condition, unbelievable pre, existing condition was rape. Can you believe that Sadly I can nerves dip them. The they're gonna take this kid. They're gonna seal everything up store it. Everything is like you know:

clothing and everything and other swabs or dried out and labelled, and then its seal back that original box. As part of the, I guess, the genius of this kind was that every that thing that comes out of it goes right back in and it is also the storage device words you know, labelled and then. It's all shipped to local law enforcement and then its stored, quite possibly till the end of time, sadly were destroyed. We ain't about those things and ideally in under just about any procedure, every single person who takes custody of that is supposed to sign. Able on our side of the box and there's a clear chain of custody, and it goes the ear nurse to the cops to the prosecutors near to the lab to the prosecutors and so on. But this must be a clergyman custody

there's no questions about whether it was tampered with anything. I always that's the one that weird me out about any kind of blood. Ample. I'm ever asked to give her any kind of procedure ever tested. Foreign is went to see them too my blood or whatever specimen in their riding on the little thing right, and it leaves the room I'm a why my first thought is always like, while they're gonna mixed up with somebody, which is not true but I'm always like our aid, will it's out of my vision so sure I dont trust it right now. But that is a problem stems from having been switched at birth and the half the only exactly he's all right. We're going to breakin we're gonna come back and talk after this about the the horrific problem of rape, kit, backlog in destruction right after that

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hundred percent conviction, hand, they have great conviction rates and there is no longer eight the alarm rape. Sadly, that is not the case in this- is all the news for years now as it should be, but well first of all This is what happens in the ideal scenario. They do store. This is tested in a dna lab and then it's checked against the quotas. The c o d I ass, the combat dna index system as the database FBI of DNA profiles of a bad people, and if there are hit comes up then you have a pretty good chance. Then of of finding this person there think about quotas. Is this: when you submit a sample of dna samples, quotas from crime like a sexual assault and there's not a hit that simple,

you know I just go. Ok, sorry, quotas can I'm a sample backing like that sample stays there right and so future detective who say they have a suspect or somebody comes India as a matter of routine. They run the suspects DNA, which is, I think, like just a matter of course. Now, when your charge of the crime, they swab your cheek and run it through quotas, DNA may be hit and all of a sudden. This thing, like you, got caught robbing somebody's house, but now Europe for rape charge from two years ago, rank as your dna was entered through this rape kit, so even You don't get a hit does it mean that there is not going to be a conviction? It's not like the rate care was offer. Not yet you know for sure. Sadly, not the way it always works in the two thousand. They are starting to be some. There were some orders digging around found a story and found out that there are tens of thought. Thousands of rape gets all over the country. Sitting in warehouses and sitting on shelves

years and years and years untested as if it was so bad they became known as the backlog right some dating back to the nineties, where they, just like you, said, sitting, warehouses untested and at first when it I think some reporters started digging pounds and found out like Akron. It's not ok. How widespread is this yet look around found its like everywhere in some some towns or worse than others? Like Current Ohio head, something like three thousand, I think two thousand kids in Akron Ohio alone, so Detroit Head sorry Acarnanian mean to put more honey then than you had. I was confusing you with Phoenix Phoenix, had three thousand kids Dallas had four thousand Memphis has twelve thousand and in Detroit a few years ask somebody wandered into a police storage facility and was, like others, eleven thousand untested rape kits that have just been there. We just forgot the plan,

with that, there's a couple of problems with it, but the first when Chuck, is that every single one of those kids represents a pair and who found the wherewithal to procedure in himself or herself to the e r n. Give the cops, the evidence that they need and the cops didn't even send. It feels like lab in order to give the cops, evidence that they need and the cops didn't even bother to send it to the lab, often is a third violation, yeah and the other problem is that this could be like, while they're sitting in there, and this often salaries it is that these people commit more sexual assaults, yet so living could be behind bars there in Detroit eleven thousand untested kids they found there was so that each one was indifferent perpetrator right there.

I've in thirty two percent over a fifteen year period. So if those kids sat there untested for fifteen years, that means that in additional five hundred and fifty two thirty five hundred and twenty rapes were carried out by the same people, wealthier, nay, was in those kids untested on Billy. Yes, it is that's unacceptable Thirty, five hundred and twenty rapes were carried out by the same people. Well, DNA was in those kids untested on Billy. Yes, it is that's unexcelled, the boy and as a result, congresses like here's, a hundred and fifty million dollars to get rid of this backlog that should solve it did helped a lot got the labs going in everything like that stolen right. The problem is as if funded labs, that's what but he said, was one the labs or overworked what what're you gonna do, so they got more time, nations, they got more labs and the backlog

through in a lot of cases in Detroit, in particular, the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors, their names worthy whose another hashtag here of Historiae has been like. This number is going down. We're going through those kids in his systematically and methodically what it takes. It takes someone or a body of people like specific, not dislike, throwing money at something right but like specifically for up on the ground right. So the funding- toward the lab fright, but their left another half of this, this formula, which is a big one, the cops right. So this back oh God, move through the last, but that doesn't mean that the cops followed up on the results and including cases where there are hitting quotas, leader later research by reporters found that, like a lot of these cases, the backlog. They got work through headman, followed up by year, which is another problem, either

some federal guidelines laid down since then, specifically the safer, active, two thousand thirteen sexual assault, forensic evidence, reporting different states have new laws in place. MIKE in New York state. It is law now that requires kids to be sent in within ten days of collection and tested by the lab within three months set up a timeline for processing backlog kits, but it's you know, it's still depend on what city you live in and what state you live area because it still happens. It so happens a lot. It is here in two thousand and eleven a report from the National Institute of Justice. Eighteen percent of all unsolved rapes between two thousand to two thousand seven involved, this kind of evidence that had never been processed by eighteen percent yet, and so in the cops defence here, they're they're, they're, basically saying most have mercy.

Ok, so great, that was great. You has funded the lab, we're still overworked and understaffed, and room are very literally to store these gets. So here is another thing right so that all this stuff went all this focus went on the backlog as a matter of fact, the third Hashtag euro from the stories Mirsky, targeted and law and order a three year from doing law and order ass. We, U her eyes, were so open to this whole backlog problem that she starts the foundation called the joyful heart foundation that is basically dedicate to getting rid of the rape kit backlog yet well, actually, that's a larger foundation, but within that is in the backlog, dot, org and here's. What you can do everyone, since it is national awareness month, first put on something teal, something team in April second go to end the backlog, dot, org and click on take action

a number of things you can do, but at the bottom there is a donation button and donate. I set up a monthly today that, as far as I'm concerned, donate monthly till the day I doktor, which hopefully longtime law one time, hashtag long time here, but just go to in the backlog. Dot Org. If you dont, have money to give their other things. You can do under the take action banner right for sure yeah so the back into them in sixteen. While everybody was talking about the backlog, worrying about the backlog, doing something about the backlog, the fish they'll North Carolina chief of police held a press conference and said hey this attorneys told me not to do this, but I feel morally of moral responsibility to tell the public this, but we destroyed three hundred untested rape kit there in cases where the statute of limitations headed

on out. Yet this is sitting on a shelf. This isn't untested right. This is, we threw them away. They were incinerated, that evidence has gone for ever and it was never sent off to a lab and the statute of limitations was was not up in in these cases, and that was here there was a big big deal and he committed his town is police department to going through who all those cases contacting the victims and seeing if they could still build the key. For all of them. They made it a priority, but it open Pandora's box around the country and CNN speculative their own inserted crawling around law enforcement agencies all over the country and saying hey view ever done it have you ever destroyed, a break its. What's your policy for that right, arm, when's, the last time you did it we're in then still within the statue limitations, and they found out that it happens. A lot actually here, like a lot police too

to make room in evidence rooms. They will destroy rape, kit Some of them have official policies in place. Some of em assisted detective deciding that cases in going anywhere and will say you can destroy that rape kit. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding of what the set The limitations is yes, but these kids have never gone and have now gone. Tat have never been tested and ever will be tested. That evidence is gone forever and that is even worse than the backlog. Everyone is concluded and I think rightfully so yeah this, unlike you mentioned earlier, just having this stuff entered into quotas is huge because, let's say you do, someone. It turns out that day comes up with like six hits from sexual assaults over the years and, like I mean prison sentences aside, add the the value that that has for a victim to know that that person was caught in is finally going. Pay

their crime right is can't be measured. You know right in also like, if you go through this procedure, here, and you did you say get a hidden quotas, but that dna evidence is in code. Is this? If this perpetrator it caught down the line. You have contributed to a much stronger conviction against probably a bigger sentence, because you ve helped to establish a pattern of criminal behaviour here and in fact the tell they called the golden state killer. I believe is from this backlog of rape kids being put through and that guy popped up. I think they got him for like twelve or thirteen rapes during his serial killer. Career well through this backlog being moved through and that opportunity is lost if you just destroy this evidence untested. Secondly, it also gives a ruins any opportunity for wrongfully convicted person chair who was convicted.

Previously before dna evidence was you I mean that's happened, a lot. If you destroy this evidence it may it removes that possibility as well, so that I think that the Justice Department issued some. I'd lines that say you should hold rape. Evidence for a minimum of fifty years or the statute of limitations, which ever comes first and then that's that never base of the truly great. But we really only legally have to listen to our states guidelines which are all over the place. Yet I wonder the kind of like a penalty and accountability would help well, I think CNN, like crawling up everybody's but, as is helping sure sure I think it's it's kind of open to be I know it's the same thing that that brought so much attention to the backlog. So hopefully the same attention will come to this to India. We can start funding. Police departments are on the country to like carry that, carry out the legwork I ass. I did so

more thing. If you just imagine, you could do this in any given weak or day now, if you just type in rape kit and hit news on your search engine articles will come up like that day of of cases like this, I'm just day, there was one asked and police department could potentially open dozens of rape investigations. After getting a backlog, from a backlog of twenty almost one. Seven hundred untested gets believe they got a grant from New York. I'm not sure how that happen, but they got like a million bucks from a grant for Manhattan to Austin Accidents like we got a lot of money. You want some of it ass, it may be, but that allowed them to test. Like almost twenty seven hundred kids, another story, a Tucson man was convicted. Of raping seven women over a twelve year period after police received a grant to test rape kits

and he said in a change of mindset over which kids get tested, in Orlando Florida man is now, jail. Today he fled the state and found him in Puerto Rico, and once again, this was along unsolved rape case that they, you know they. Finally, cracked open that get tested it in Bam. This guy comes up and they got him in Porto Rico, yet still territory due for, you all know more about rape, kids, just do a Czech saddened, search it on your favorite search engine news. Ok, you got in the backlog dot for her, even better, just poker and therefore clothes on that good, with my colours and within some partially colorblind, I think you might be too might be song. I call this a summer with weeping it alot of follow up on this from people the head. I get that Tingley feeling

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