The Spanish Flu killed anywhere from 20-100 million or more people over 1918/1919. All of this played out with World War I in the foreground, one big reason why the flu spread so far, so fast. Learn all about this devastating pandemic in today's episode.
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so the check is came appropriate. They were talking about the flu because I'll have the flu, but I'm a little sick leave funky, I'm not contagious, said a worry
I appreciate you are in the basement. Getting my ways is clearly out. According to this, this art
go there, Edra it it's yeah useless. It doesn't do anything. I don't have that truly useless. Is it a yes, I think it is actually quite useless if it's a bacterial infection, it might do something because bacteria is much larger than viruses, but viruses are very, very small, certainly small enough to be expelled through the mesh of gauze when you coffers needs into it to his knees and that mass pops out
and little articles spew, maybe just not as far yeah yeah, they might be slow down a little bit. Who knows maybe like being pushed through like a little channel speeds. The modern and increases are treated
like you. We don't know yet.
Yeah, but this is a flu centric episode and I can't remember, I think I was turned on to this idea. He returned on by this idea now turn to this idea of icy
think it was when I was sort of going down a world war, one rabbit all out your tongue,
about that in some episode and think that was what it was. So this is pretty approach
they were talking about this exactly
hundred years ago. Today. Basically, the United States, the world really was standing there stricken picking up the pieces
of basically shattered societies all around the globe that had just been levelled
absolutely levelled by a flu epidemic that came through an killed, so many people made so many people sick, its widely seen as possibly tied for first, if needs a very close second to the worst natural disaster in the worst pandemic to ever hit human.
I'm in the history of our species. Yeah, that's how bad it wasn't. It happened just a hundred years ago, yeah I've seen estimates as high as fifty million people dead, yeah I've
I've seen it up to a hundred billion, I think fifty million. Is it used to be
like the low ended now or the high end. Now it's starting did to become clear. It's probably
the low end. I think the learned is twenty. There was a right
the name. A high and five hundred million people, that's supposed
from what I've seen. How many were actually infected well
possibly, and not only that like when that many people die it. It changes the course of world history yeah. It changes a basically unravels the fabric
society is, will see, and culture, citing cultures and rules, and just how humans looked at the earth it like it is really turned
the forward March of humanity in a certain direction. Defiling did and like this, it's really did
like this is one of the most fascinating pieces of of world history to me because it was like it.
It was it's pretty well documented, because it
But only a hundred years ago, and because it's just so insane what happened like the spanish flu was so bad chuck that people are dying
of thirst, because there was no one around them to take care of them. The people who were still healthy were so afraid of catching the Flu
They were basically let their neighbors die alone in their homes, rather than go, help them to it and take care
them and give them water like that's, that's how bad it was.
People are dying of thirst from being so laid out by the flu and not being able to get water themselves. And now
having any one to take care of them and it happened.
In the United States a hundred years ago and all over the world, and despite all of this horrific thing, we're about to talk about the grab stir started his article writing.
Hockey Serious Buffalo later on is like it's, the third wave that that cancelled the the and each I'll play off
Yeah I mean it is a footnote, though, that the Stanley CUP very famous Stanley CUP, the trophy of the inner Joe
it has all the winning team etched into it says: Series not completed
that's all it says in it. Unless you know what's going on, you might just scratch
I didn't say why was the series not completed that year and the reason is because the Spanish Lou
literally killed one of the players and got quite a few of them sick on both sides of the Seattle Metropolitans in the Montreal Canadians yeah. I guess like right before the fifth game was gonna, be played
or the six game was going to be played here. They are,
four of them were in the hospital one died in their legality.
I had cancelled the series this year crazy, but what's what is crazy like it? That's pretty bad just about it, you're a hockey
you're, probably young you're, probably pretty healthy, that's really weird to die from the flu, and that was a big hallmark of the spanish flu is will see, but this is also like a third way. This is the third like round house at the spanish
delivered to the global population. When the when these Stanley CUP was cancelled or the any shall play us was cancelled that year. Nineteen nineteen amazing, so us talk a little bit about flues, nor
boy Shelly yeah, I mean. I think everyone understands that a flu is not bacterial. Like you're talking about it is a virus and
ordinarily, like the flu that you have. Is it the flu he ever called? As you say it, like a call is his funk. You know I mean
you mean I went to Vegas for her birthday to go, see data
Helen John Mayer, and I think, just being on the plan
and being kind of run down and everything we both kind of picked up a little bit funk. I think it's a time here. It's a funky kind a year, Emily get sick every January
I think it also has to do with the holidays, just because there is fine in an adult
Thirdly, enjoyable as they are there, also a TED stressful. Sometimes we and her that's her busy Tommy
for her business said yeah. That is almost never
well, that she'll get sick every January dislike her bodies fighting in fighting author December and then just goes literally that after Christmas, it's like sniff yet ages crash here goes.
So the flu virus, and in most cases
careless and you have the
You know you have your eggs in your fever, in your coughing and you're tired and sometime,
It may be affect your stomach zalm. Sometimes it may not, but you
in and out in a few days, and that
sort of the end of it. If you like, you meant
If your elderly or if you're a little little tiny one, the flu can be pretty
dangerous in any case
ordinarily and healthy adults is just a regular sickness. It comes and goes yeah especially like. If you look it, you know a graph,
ages, starting at an infant always say two hundred year olds. If you, if you look at flew death, it goes
out in the middle and then goes back up its high on one end high on the other and very low to non existent in the Middle EC, healthy,
middle aged in younger adults don't die from the flu normally right, so there are many times
of flu. Many strains of this virus and
nineteen eighteen for the spanish flu, which will get to which the naming of that in the second it was type
a subtype each one. In one case they have subtype designations and then, within those sometimes there other strains, because
who is constantly trying to outrun humans in humans, trying to beat it down here. I guess so
so it's like. I'm just going to change a little yeah watch this and it goes beep, Boop, Boop, Boop, and now it's bumblebee from transformers
this was a genuine pandemic, called the spanish flu
and I never knew this at all, but it really had nothing to do with being out of Spain.
Or have anything to do with Spain other than the fact that Spain was
neutral in world
two norms. Our wine and while other newspapers around the world were really censoring
things are not so free. Spain was just reporting
only country really reporting about the flu yeah right. I don't colored
I didn't realize this either in the Spanish were like no, no wait. Wait! You're guys aren't getting this, it's all just disproportionately on us, but they are
in Kansas it right. It seems
like the the that that's Spain, had the worst of it
like you said they were the only ones who are openly reporting on it in some of the act
Sis allied, actually, that might be war were too, but some like France, Germany
in Britain. The? U s the governor,
its were at war in their propaganda machines were in full swing. They didn't want to do.
Anything that impact morale. They also didn't work.
Give the enemy any indication that their troops were sick, that there is a flu virus spreading through their their ranks, so they just down-
it at home in everywhere, but since Spain was neutral, they talked about it seem like Spain had the worst of it. That's totally not the case. It's just. It was all just reporting Spain's is reported on it openly. That's
fascinating to me, yeah totally fascinating, and it was a legit pandemic because it touched kind of every corner of the globe, except for notably to places that were able to successfully quarantine themselves.
At American Samoa New Caledonia. There's even places the head. They still are places than real those quarantines yeah getaway amount, oh
I think some places dig it wiped. I believe western Samoa was basically wiped out by the spanish flu. There are plenty of like settlements,
especially native american settlements. In more remote places like Alaska, there were almost entirely
not entirely wiped out and then
depending on where you went around the world like Japan got hit, but they they had like a one percent infection rates or something like that. Where other places headlines like, I think globally, it was about thirty percent. So it was strange how
hit people differently, but it was definitely like. You said it was a real pandemic in that it was ever
where around the world that this strain of the flu was levelling people yeah
there's a couple of other. Can a startling stats
Five hundred million infected that you're talking about not dead but infected. That was about a thirty three percent of the world's population, which is startling and in the United States LAW,
expects and Vienna how talked about it. Just changing everything. Oh yeah. It actually altered life expectancy in the U S by twelve years to yeah from night,
in eighteen and nineteen nineteen, the they expected average expected life expectancy. Like said life expectancy went from, it went to thirty six point: six four men in forty two point two four women men, which is
pretty like the what it it been before was still pretty low but to drop by the twelve years overnight. Basically, because I think we ve gotten this across yet chuck what we're talking about happened in less than a year in less than a year.
Third of the world's population came down with this very, very lint, flew and as much as five per cent of the world's population died from that flew in less than a year
and that will talk about the different waves, but the second deadliest wave
really was about four months and, and
many people that died within a four month period. All over the world was is just like it's hard to really grasp. It really is
and the other thing about it, too, is a largely because of that propaganda machine that where's the propaganda machine that were in full operation
in all these different countries along with kind of exuberance.
The war being over or this basically being focused on the war, because the spanish flu happened at the same
I'm here, where war one was going on in ending it wasn't it's not remembered, like you think it would be like you would think this
like everyone would know about this and be talking about it and it it's not. It just kind of got swept under the rug. Historically speaking, in a lot of ways, you want to take a break yeah. I think that was a
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started. What may be the beginning? There's a guy named John:
Berry and he is
not Emory, by the way, his middle initials em and his last name is buried.
He is in his story and he wrote a book called the great influenza.
You wrote an article based on his research called how the horrific one thousand nine hundred and eighteen flu spread across America TON Smithsonian Magazine and this guy's done some legwork and he has created theory
that. Starting in about January of nineteen eighteen, the beginning of nineteen eighteen, there was a flu outbreak in high School County Kansas
which is a very whirl agricultural area, and that some of those farm boys who came down with the same flew made their way to Camp Feinstein, which is part of Fort Riley Kansas. Now, yes, Santa FE in particular, was is the town. If you want, I even pinpointed further in Cannes,
not New Mexico. Yes, Santa FE, Pascoe County Kansas, three hundred miles west of camp Funston. Yet so some of these farm boys, who were sick with this flu, ended up being drafted and sent to Camp Funston, and it was Camp Funston where they think the first cases of the spanish flu started to break out.
First wave happened in about the spring and then travelling over to Europe into the summer of nineteen eighteen, and it wasn't that first wave
and particularly bad. It wasn't a particularly noteworthy and it was mostly confined to two Dubois, basically, people who worked on and military bases as well
and then maybe towns near military bases, but that was about it and then it went away and it wasn't like had it just been that it will probably would not have been remarkable history.
Clear at all yeah, and you know this- we may
not even know about any of this as far as its origin, and there have been a lot of other theories over the years and about its origin. But this one seems to hold the most water now
but we may not have ever known anything about any of the origin if it had not been for
Doktor Loring Minor, who was a great referred Smallwood,
County in town as this was reviewed. He was a really great town doctor and he was like at the time flu,
Just would come and go like I said so. It was never reported on and journals was never
it was never really, a big deal was ever published, but
your luring minor, was so alarmed at the rate of
spread in his small town and the
how much of a wallop that pact he actually published his concerns in a journal called the public health reports Journal has a different name today, but he was the only
then in the world, expressing concern- and I believe,
still the very first case of influence,
so being reported. Because of how
unusual in deadly that they thought it could be yeah. I saw to that. The very fact that this guy
reported it at all, is remarkable. Yes, they cannot trace it back and say we
we now think we know where ground zero us even has county Kansas so of from high counter. Kansas events occur
Funston and then it went over to Europe. This is the first wave that we're talking about
they had gained their name because that used to be, we put the fine in Funston right and then, after that error like at all it anywhere. We gotta go to Fort, rightly so over in Europe. Something happened to this to this flu
It mutated in some way did something it mixed with some other flu,
from Asia, maybe something that was present in Europe, who knows,
but there you know there was a flu outbreaks over there in in Europe.
Particularly at one called a toddler.
The bigger added, a little extra mustard on that by its generally, how you say it was a huge british camp that held up to her
hundred thousand troops and it was packed, ELM
the elbow in the summer of nineteen eighteen, and so that definitely did not help.
Keep the flu under wraps it spread pretty quickly and in some of those Dubois does American
soldiers, fighting a war war, one who were in Europe made their way back to the United States, and so this the strain of flu that it made its first wave out a Kansas. Already Europe came back and when it came back it was
different in all the worst ways. Yeah me we're talking about how it got overshadowed by World WAR one, but it made
It even happened had it not been for one year, because the conditions of of army boot
in in shuttling soldiers overseas, like you were saying, it's tight quarters. It's like just did stacked on each other, all up in each other's faces and
it was just sort of a recipe for disaster. While this war was, you know not unfolding
unfolded by that point, but
is really just a confluence of factors that we really can a staggering. What pus? Also, you can make the case that those Kansas Farm boys never would have made their way to Camp Funston and they certainly never would have made their way to Europe, yet so probably wouldn't have happened, especially
the thing mutated in Europe and got worse. The spanish flu yeah
we never would have happened. Had it not been for the first World WAR yeah, the
The problem was- and there are a lot of fun
just the widespread so quickly, but one was because that it didn't really look like the flu. In a lotta cases, doctors really white.
You know they were, there were slow to diagnose
the flu and then as a epidemic, because a lot of people are dying from pneumonia and
some time for a while
I thought it was a bacterial a nature they were coming up with that
means and all this stuff
None of that was working, and so it can. It took a long time, but even then
doktor Minor in Cannes
who's gonna ringing. The bell, no one was still paying attention to.
Took a long time for them to some kind of sounding
arms are. We got a real problem here right and at the time it they'd
They knew that viruses existed, but they still weren't sure what they
were they called viruses, Phil Travel agents because they figured out.
Back in eighteen. Ninety, two that if you filtered an infection through
they called the Chamberlain candle which can filter out any and all bacteria. Some infection still persists, which should be the case because you ve just filtered out all the bacteria is so there
Is that there's something smaller than bacteria that they
we don't really know about that. Can cause infection there's some other passage it out there, as this is the way that they that they approached viruses dumb. I think, by the time the spanish flu is still
we knew that there something out there, but no one it actually ever seen a virus in wooden see a virus until I think the nineteen thirties, because there too small for optical microscopes, so that the idea that this was caused by a bacterial agent. It makes a lot of sense.
What humanity had experience in dealing with treating, but then on top of it, like you said so, many people were die
We are getting pneumonia that it disappeared, like it was a horrible back
cereal pandemic, rather than a viral one toward typhoid
or cholera like it, was misdiagnosed all over the place, because some of these
we're just unusual, like Blue,
out of the ears, so bad
you're bleeding out of your ears, things are going badly for you like it. It doesn't get much.
Than bleeding out of your ear. You have serious issues if you're bleeding I, unless of course you, like you know next to the Inn
of your ear with your finger nail, a few blue
being out of your ear from inside of your head. That's bad news,
But I just want to make sure I'm on the record, as b
having that position on bringing out of your entire you're bleeding pretty much
and with the a wherever it late again is just all these things are gonna happening at once, so it was sort of just kind of sneaking.
Back door in, like the word
where you get ever imagine so
is all going on the reason
we do know so much about it, and I know that it has
gotten all the attention of like the plague and things like that, but
the medical community it has. Then they weren't like
all right. Well, that went away. That's great like here in modern times like starting in them
Jeanne Thirty's they started.
On the download collecting blood samples, an exam
in tissue sides and getting you know either from from people who had died
I'd like from the bodies or from people that were still alive, that survived
and they have really been doing all this kind of cool, like almost like a criminal case like this research
to try and learn, because you know that you can only you dont want someone,
to ever happen again right right,
one of the scary things shock is that, like most people
who are in public health and epidemiology virology, say like me at this could totally happen again in Europe,
be way worse because of our connect ability,
how connected we are issue
probably have a greater chance of containing it just because of the advances in public health that we ve we ve undertaken thus far and near, but the could it could happen actually talk about this, a lot, including the spanish flu, and this one biotech episode of the end of the world and it it from what I sighed. It could very well happen just about any time. Will this other part. I don't quite good
damn. Does it does this train still exist or not because of low confusing that part of ok get this tomb, it had gone totally extinct, Eric added, come and gone as will see it just
scully, maybe a burn through everybody. It killed off everybody so fast,
couldn't spread any longer and, like you said, flu virus is mutate like very frequently so
Also our body like. If you survive a viral infection, you typically are conferred immunity for the rest of your life, so the people who are left we're not going to catch the spanish flu again right. Okay, so-
It had run, run its course gone extinct so much so that not even just the strain of flu, but
all each one in one flues left human circulation by the fifties, nineteen fifty's
somebody, this dude name Johann halting whose microbiologist in the fifties and then later on in the nineties, he went to a little town, Cobb.
Big mission, Alaska, and he dug up the core
of a native american woman in european woman who
died who had been buried in a mass grave from the spanish flu and took samples of her lung tissue and took a back to another microbiology
whose name I cannot remember, who basically Cynthia
eyes, the genome of it. Ok, great we
Data genetically. We ve got it now. They were one step further and actually created the spanish flu virus, again resurrected it from extinction, and, yes, the spanish flu still around because humans brought it
to life, one that makes more sense. Now I mean in one way right, let nothing he said here
The great thing to do, but well, what's funny is like a few depending on what you re like. If you read like a popular mechanics article about it's it's like, but this is an amazing great achievement, but for my money it was a terrible achieved. Now I really don't think we should have taken an extra step in recent years.
As the, although, admittedly, we have learned a lot about the spanish flu from that process, but I think there you could is still stopped short from resurrecting it from extinction. Cheese
all so we talk a lot about the three waves which is really unusual for an epidemic like this
it made. It had happened before thinking the sixteen hundred
in eighteen hundreds, but this was a whole different sort of beast so that first wave hid in the spring of nineteen eighteen.
Specifically like March and April. It was in the U S, it was in. Your
and it was in Asia. So
It's already I mean that some serious ground that its covered already
thank you again to world war, one yeah exactly so
this this one was
like super super deadly
military bases in camps was where was mostly found, but again with ease
groups. Moving everywhere was really can a moving fast. This
way? Was the really really deadly one
one where I mention it over about afore week, I'm sorry! For months! Sixteen week period it did most of the killing
that fall with October being the most deadly,
in the United States in the history of the United States, to this day, it deadliest
a hundred and ninety five thousand people.
I'd in America from the flee in October of nineteen eighteen Gallagher.
Literally every one was touched in their family like there's no way to escape it. Almost
point? Yet I mean we'll talk about it later by like this is that's how I society can can crumble, the town like a small
community can crumble when that many people die that quickly. Thank things things just get out of whack for to say the least. Yes, so this
they think the reason this one came back so deadly was because it mutated over that summer and
back even more lethal than it was before
and some people who had been infected by the first wave did have,
some immunity on that. Second wave, which is pretty interesting yeah we I mean, I guess, if you survived the first wave, you would, especially if it was just a slightly mutated
version of the exact same strain. I could see that well, that's what I wondered, though, is like how much do something to mutate before
that immunity doesn't count. Why don't know? We should say chuck too, like where speculating here that the first wave and the second wave were the same strain of flu in this
that's never been proven, and in the same this like fluid samples and the tissue samples that you said they took back in the thirties. Those were off from
second wave. The victims in survivors. We don't have any samples from the first
Maybe not even the third way, but definitely the bulk, if not all, of the samples we have, and so all the studying we ve done has been from that set.
Most deadly wave. So they may not have been the exact same strange, but it is weird that peat
would have had an immunity to that second wave. If they ve been through the first yeah, I think it was connected richer. Eighty, two, so third
hits after a short period of time. This was
less widespread, not a severe as the deadly second wave, but why
then that first wave, which was not so deadly
and this was mainly through, like
beginning of nineteen nineteen through April of nineteen nineteen yeah Ed points out that, like
it depends on where you are talking about, but it was much more bureaucratic geographically. It wasn't like all from
from January to April, the whole world didn't have the flu right. It's just around the world, the that flu outbreak was still going on the, but but not everywhere, to be taken to the break, let's artwork
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All right we're going to talk about what made this so dead.
In addition to the war going on at the same time, there are some other weird weird factors and characteristics of this: this flu right women,
and young and healthy people already, but it bear saying again the death rate for people between twenty five and
eighty four was really really high and, conversely,
children were infected high, a high rate is only they weren't getting it.
They had a low mortality rate and nothing about that makes sense, yeah so far for the twenty five to thirty four age group who, you would think, would probably be the the those them the highest groupers survivors. They had a two times higher death rate than the forty five to sixty four
age group during the spanish flu, which was ancient yeah yeah, really I mean if the average life expectancy normally was something in the forties to the fifties that is kind of ancient act like I would be on death's door and nineteen eighteen yeah an end it just like with
good day, a typical flew infants
and the very elderly and people with compromise demean systems they they.
Died in the greatest numbers. But when you look at that graph that there is a huge spy
egg among, like not young, healthy adults,
where their normally shouldn't be and there's a lot of
It is about why that happened, one
It is because it if it was spread among soldiers and those
were starting to come home at the time, so they spread to their wives, who were about the same age. They spread to their children, they ready to their friends so
it definitely was hanging around a specific age group, but they also think
There was a large amount of deaths and that this also accounts
the pneumonia deaths that killed so many people, something called the sight of keen storm which sounds like tariff.
To me here. That is when you have such an over stimulation of amene cells that had just generates basic.
You? U drown in your own flim because of an oversight,
nation of immune cells, creating so much fluid like your immune system, is so good and so healthy. It kills. You european spot responses so massive, and this is the
they're just starting to understand sight, o King storm hurricanes, activate immune cells and eight. That's what causes the inflammation that, though the
water on the lungs which thing gets infected by bacteria, which gives you pneumonia, which can kill you that that they're, just
we now understand this, but they have linked to the appearance of new flues that people haven't been exposed to before, and this is probably
the number. One reason why people
who are young and healthy adults, died in such numbers because their age group hadn't been exposed to any each one and one flew.
Four yet so not only was this a new age, new strain of H1N1 to their bodies,
It is a brand new type of virus that they'd never been exposed to, and so people whose immune systems were over apt died from these site. A keen storms, they think
man. Another unusual thing was how fast it killed you there were cases.
Where you would literally say, I'm not feeling so
and then twelve hours later you were dead. Can you believe that,
victims, died very, very fast, which you know.
When people are dying this quickly it just compounds, and then you ve got like hospitals.
Overflowing with people, and then you can't care for them and then people
and turned away because there
to full and then they spread at more and the Emmy. There are reports of peace
we'll toe tagging people. There were still alive yet
I knew that they were
be dead soon. Did you see their American Express?
in stock manner. I was really tough like what the apparently bedside manner
is developed in the last couple decades because, but did it
yeah. I think your question, but I mean, can you imagine going to the doctrine the doktor saying, like better gettin line for a casket son here twelve year old
telling your twelve year old, that you'd just punch the doktor and the mouth bore pudding Toto
gonna live person. That's just nuts, but that's that's bidders verifiable reports that they do this. Of course back. Then, if you were twelve, you you say
lot of life. Kid here, middle age, you how he had to do for careers,
Where are your retired from coal mining at seven? But I get yourself fitted for that. Gasket cause you're, not gonna, live to see thirty, like your old man in here's, the lollipop so sad and our making fun of this, but for sowing. Langley
Another thing that it did was well. We ve already gonna hit on the solid, but how far how quickly it went so far
and again largely because of this war, and because it was, it was attacked
people so violently quickly, like you asked
towns in the United States, tried to quarantine themselves, but it was just too late like it was. You couldn't stand that tied at that point. You
There is a guy on the american experience that moves who lived through it as a boy, and he was saying like it was
was come. Our way was coming down the highway toward us, just town after town, where these blue outbreaks and his town
to quarantine themselves, but the mail
and brought it in, and you know it
Not the mermaids gonna be somebody else. If you have a soldier returning from home from European, I can it be like you can't go home
We get away to his this potentially never ending
Flu epidemic goes away before you can come back home like there's some way it's gonna get through and it got through
apparently everywhere, except New Caledonia and American Samoa yeah.
Another thing and other characteristic of it was the symptoms. It had so like, in addition to bleed
out of your ears, you again
mahogany cheeks these weird brown spots on your cheek bones. You return blue
because you're with your lungs were not oxygen, aiding the blood nearly enough. So your extremities in your face and lips return. Blue you there is a nurse
in that documentary. That said, you needed to basically be on guard at all times, because people would shoot blood out of their nose across the room.
Like you. We just have to step out of the way to knock it splattered by it, the EU
with scream when they were touched even lightly. It was just a minute
down, namely bad flew there is.
Every horrible symptom. You can think of big people
like delirium, just every every horrible symptom. You can think of big people basically had, and this is like
if you're a doctor. The time you're not like opposes the flu. You were like what is this evening.
Seen anything like this before
and again that led to it getting even worse because of the convent
and again over symptoms, how slow they reacted because of the war like it's really
hard to imagine a pandemic outbreak,
coinciding with a world war. Yeah, like the likes of which the work the world had never seen at that point yeah, you know, and they said that
of people had room to really focus on one thing and they had to choose
between the war in the flu pandemic and they chose the war instead work as it was.
The time is not to make to light a bit, but back then it was.
You know like you're, not really sick, like pull yourself a buyer bootstraps and get to work,
right. You know people didn't happen over their people than ever more sympathy for, for you know, sickness like this. Get yourself fitted for a casket stop complaint
eventually they did, but it was just that slowed slowness to react that that made it such a health crisis, especially the U S,
yeah, it's not like they didn't know that there was such a thing, is infectious disease and that if you band public gatherings and said no, you were here, we gotta closes movie theatres of these bars or not hold these parades that it would,
have a positive effect on public health, but they chose wilfully. The people in charge chose not to out of a sense of patriotism and nationalism.
And the idea that you didn't wanna have any impact on morale that public health commissioners round the country were just ignoring it and in
cases where they weren't ignoring it. They were outright downplaying it in the press. Saying this is not does is not
It's fine, like any, only report, your hearing, your overblown, and there was one commissioner input
delivered guy named Wilma cruising, who was the health commissioner of Philadelphia
yeah, they really hard. They got hit them.
Where's that of any american city? It was because of this guy and moves that he made in one of the.
Big ones, one of the biggest mistakes he made knowing full well that there is a flu,
damn it going on in his city. He allowed a Liberty parade to take place in Philadelphia in September last September, were two hundred thousand people showed up to the parade and within a few days
Philadelphia had it worse than anybody in one.
Day, seven hundred and fifty nine people,
I'd in Philadelphia in one day within a week or two of this parade taking place like the parade was, was you know moment zero for the real spread of the pandemic in Philadelphia,
this guy's fault, that in his declaration, a virus in every Tuesday
I don't know it depends on the virus. I might stability that we stick to the two men logistic earlier, it's hard to find him in Atlanta,
It really is not good ones. What is, of course, a renewed. The park is Canada, the old standard. Do you like it, though? What is it all right?
it's pretty traditionally Philly like as it. I thought they like left off. The cheese was put on catch. It really then open on ketchup.
I think that is why this Edwin had no catch up on it, or maybe they change arrests, because I swear it,
I've had wronged catch upon it. They really did you ask for a bloody.
Oh yeah? That was the proud I asked for it with ketchup they do they do
yesterday's it with the they have won version with bacon. That is not as good as you would think,
like everything. Is it better with bacon? That's absolutely true!
because what they do is it it's not like strips of Bacon
wedged in the raw. It's it's diced up in cooked with the meat,
and normally, I would say, like a man, saw me up, but at some about its did work you yeah, I think, plus the fact that pigs are smarter than dogs also makes makes things less good with bacon. Sometimes too, what gathers really smart? I know, but we gotta bring dogs into this
Have you seen like that that Peter add it's like a pig? No, it's
elaborate doors body with the pigs head on it now and it said like if, if pigs looked like this, would you eat m or something they got a bunch of bunch of stuff for it?
he's pretty weird, I can add to say so I was let's talk about was wrapped this puppy up and the legacy
of the pandemic of nineteen eighteen. The spanish flu also called the spanish lady and the blue death and Hank Flanders Disease in Germany, Flanders, mature. Why maybe it started in their place? Called Flanders Yan been Belgium. I believe,
That's I mean that's a pretty long. Standing tradition is blame some neighbour, you don't really like further flew, that's killing off your population in a well. This is our blamed on Spain and nothing to do with it. You don't wanna call it like us flu or anything
I want to see one more thing. That Chuck is so. We talked a little bit about the about the the society breaking down right. You said that people ran out of caskets. I don't think like. We really got that across, like put yourself in a mind where there are
many dead people, all of a sudden that you don't have any caskets to put them in any more. You have to wait for them due to hurriedly build more caskets unless the people that building caskets her dead yeah, that's another real possibility to. Like imagine bill.
You can't give falling into it from the flu and well. They
leave you in there because you are dead now. Well,
That's what I mean is it like we're gonna kidding, but when I set it altered,
Humanity like in a small town? What is that?
actors died in the teachers died and then there
towns that may have survive, but they had no infrastructure because there were no cops or doctors.
Teachers. Are you know, police? Like you know it was? It was
everybody so yeah. So you can just be left you now with a bunch of twelve problems
all right. Yeah yeah children of the corn up in their kind of, was I'm sure they have to do a lot of towns that are now run by children as out of custom. Maybe so that's probably where it started
The other thing that that was a casualty of spanish flu, especially in small towns, was like civic life, because if you were healthy, you looked at other people
three with suspicion. If you went out at all, you didn't stop and talk to people in, say, hi Navy and do all the things they keep like. A community
together and so community stirred to fall apart and then, when public officials finally did start to react, they shut down schools. They should
down bars the they ban gathering, sometimes ban funerals, like you, could never funeral for Europe,
dear departed mother. You had to leave her in a box on you,
search for the undertakers to come. Get on an open wagon like it's. The medieval plague collector
I mean this is nineteen, eighteen and other sounds like a long time ago, but this wasn't the sixteenth century. No, so
This was going on and at the same time it wasn't leaving L a genuine, lasting national impression item on America or anywhere really in the world that I could see you. It is really bizarre. Well, yeah, that's what
weird things about its legacy is in again way to keep hearing the sound but
because of the war. It wasn't like
The spanish flu went away, which was really weird. It went away very much.
Can it quickly and no one really knew why? But it's not like that happened, and then they were like, or I will,
and we really need to change public health
policy. We really needed to get all these breakthroughs and
imitation and vaccinations going and really really taken.
Things now they can decide what they got that's gone. Then it would be decades before they made real changes in policy too. To help prevent something like this, which is bizarre.
Because you'd think, like you know in something like that happen, they would have that effect, but it didn't it just didn't like.
There were no teach teachable.
Opera moments from it it was just like you said everybody was glad it was gone. Yeah thought that
a bit that add include about Woodrow Wilson at and heard this before
was really interesting. He was whose U S present at the time he got the flu.
In January of nineteen nineteen, obviously did not die from it, but there are people
an historians to say that it altered him so much
they left him very paranoid, very secretive and even cause
to impose harsher
Reparation Rep Ray
in the treaty of her sigh which basically cripple Germany, which led to the writer
The rise of Nazi is when the Nazi Party, which lead to war, were too so we're we're too,
I've never even happened. Who knows had it not been for what
RO, Wilson being sick with the spanish flu. Maybe it's pretty
it's a bit of elite, but I have on other people. I've heard that case made. I see to that
He just kind of changed and apparently took a completely different tat.
Then he originally had intended as reparations against Germany.
Yeah in? U S, towns, it wasn't. This was a time when people opened up their door to a strange
is in a need and that really change that, like people were like you,
they not only were they not hanging down the street, but like people were turning people away at gunpoint in people were were
Taking their own wives
The family is just like this brutal, yet it was brutal and it's weird that it's not you no more recognise that it is, but hopefully we just contributed to being removed
forever. I tried, but we now know today, because we have continued to study the flu of nineteen eighteen
really how a pandemic can play out in it's not like science has forgotten. They are still studying the causes and the repercussions in what we can do better to really interesting
yeah it's fascinating is what it is by gun.
If you want to know more about the spanish flu, there's a lot more to it. We talked about everything we possibly could, but there is it's just big, so you can go search for it in your hair
search bar of your handy search engine and your handy computer. Do that and does
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the show every quarter or so the quarterly roughly
yeah. Definitely after the holidays, bijouterie thankful for everybody who thought of us over the holidays
that's right! So we want to begin by saying we got a lot of Christmas cards and letters,
other than list all of those individually like. We should
it is going to give a blanket. Thank you for Christmas cards and letters.
And well wishes in the form of
written or type letter. It's always nice to get those to whom I should say we're, pretty thankful that either
Alessi Daniele, an add on. They sent us a wedding invitation and they got married in Phoenix the weekend.
After our lives, show in Atlanta, so mazel Tov, and congratulations and best wishes
you, Daniel and Adam. That's right, we got a very special gift. We got a
deal american flag that was fun
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We got a lot of pens, everybody we did our episode on ballpoint pins and people felt
need to share their favorites, which is pretty cool, so there will be
then scattered throughout here, but first up, Christina Twig and us her favorite pilot, easy blue colored pilot. Easy touch. Fine point. Not, then still, though, pilot G two's, but it's not bad
I've been trying out these different Venza, that's interesting. Another dude named, I can't try I've triumph, but then they dislike cramp my hand. There is the bleeding from under my finger nail centre like that. You know I just came to and another guy who sent us Panzas Ryan Pinto, who is a great name thanks right. That's right, Marcus Crater,
from the UK, sent me a hand drawn films
from the movie Rushmore NICE he's a movie Chris,
in his well and he said he draws film stills
by hand and send me one that you want me to do so. I pick the very famous last shot of Rushmore,
of MAX and his teacher standing in front of each other to dance at the at the big
ants listen. While everyone else is dancing around them minutes really really pretty. I gotta see I've seen its awesome.
Oh Buddy Van Nostrand, one of the
regional fans. I would say, and now about the earth-
He and Lee are both pals he's an associate his skull. As you know, the use
Evidently, this relief map of Puget sound his beloved sound yeah. That's cause he's a good guy Granada,
I hit em up yesterday said thanks for the map and he said now. You will know where to find my body one day or something at the very least will find his foot floating infuses ownership. That's right, Erica
We are speaking of old friends and listeners.
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