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Listen do actually real the semi J on the I hurried Eu Apple Podcast or wherever you gave a pot, can welcome to step. You should know the production of biomass radios, Hasta four billion work under the podcast, I'm Josh clause. Could nurse Charles Debbie shook bright, we're just passionate Goin Stag. Today, first, you should know our dates, not here, where one another's date, whether you like it or not. I am your date. Were you a big school dance guy. I was bigots staying away from them. He didn't get those things I want to make one or two and like AIDS maybe may be, but other my lesson earlier. I gotcha now prom.

Yeah I mean I want a prominent up a you know like the normal school dances and things like that, like the under the sea, dance and nightly threatened earning goaded. Are we? Here too, we had homecoming an problem and that's it oh well, I think it Ohio there is so little the do that there are tons of dances all the time. How really sure, just like in the movies It is just like in the movies when it super cold outside near you stuck inside everybody's got a dance. I guess we were just outdoors in them: the heat in humanity right you, you had hiking, we had dances. So what's this got to do with them golden records. I don't know what you're gonna go very seventies, yeah, that's the thing man it does. Much more seventies. Then then this actually

This one and the other one that we're doing today about a seventies it gets, but yet so we're talking about Chuck to golden records to special gone records, identical in every way they were pressed in if I'm not sure how many cause I once saw, Sir Carl Sagan messing with one, so there maybe three there may be, for I don't know, but there are at least two and right now, these very very special gold records are somewhere outside of our solar system. They are aboard to space probes Voyager one in two there were launched in nineteen seventy seven and for the Voyager problem, first to human made objects to travel beyond our solar system, which is pretty cool in and of itself yeah. There are billions of miles about thirteen billion miles from earth right now, going very fast

yeah, and you mentioned Carl Sagan. This was his sort of baby and the Idea is pay, let's learn something in the outer space on the bombing. The sort of reason was in case and another civilization and extra terrestrial being or life forced could come across it. This will be our guide to them. But when you read into it, it's probably really unlikely that might happen in it. It was sort of a pr thing for NASA and also just like made us feel better. I think yen and you're saying it's very seventys in that it was part of this kind of larger trend in the seventies. Mostly helm. Carl Sagan, from what I could tell where there is this kind of push to get the world to agree like becoming part of some elected you know community would be a good thing for humanity and start think

beyond the realms of earth, but at the same time, thinking about earth and how we can take care of. It was all kind of intertwined connected in all kind of took shape in this kind of collective human. Object of creating messages in bottles in shooting out into space wisdom of that today's is question by some people. I know there are some people who say like then a thoroughly the best thing to do to start sending messages into space before we have much of a clue. What, if anything, is out there just isn't the safest play you can make, but at the time- and I saw a quote from Frank- Drakos heavily involved in these projects, He said in a back, then everybody was an optimist like there is nobody who wondered like whether this was a smarter foolish thing to do like. Of course, it is a good idea. Of course, the whoever we contacted would be friendly, so why would we not want to get in touch with them? And that was kind of like this driving thing? Like this optimism, Lucy S M for reaching

beyond earth. In and saying hey were here in we want everyone to take us seriously. Now there was a big seventies thing kind of Canada, the drive behind golden record thing, yeah and one thing is for sure. If you don't feel great about it and other people don't feel great about it too. Yes, it is far too too late to have that concern. That is a real argument about this, because yet, like you were staying at their billions of miles are saying we put it billions and billions of miles from earth. I think something like thirteen billion miles by now travelling thirty eight thousand miles per hour constantly. So yet the cat is out of the bag as it were. The probe is out of the solar system, and so it is too late, but we can still poohpooh in question whether it is foolish or not. In retrospect, it's fun

yeah, it's fun. Poop on Carl Sagan Dream, hey, you know me, man, Sagan, is one of my heroes was a pretty interesting cat, but on these golden records, like you said they were kind of his baby in weekly. Talking about the Voyager Probe and the golden records almost interchangeably. The golden records are aboard your one employees, or to retrieve shot out into the solar system and will be drifting in space unless some grabs them and into what's on here. You know shakes it. The records fall out, they'll just keep going forever. They actually built these golden records so the last, at least a billion years. By most estimates, vacuum sealed in the further vacuums is covered by no aluminum cover that will protect us from cosmic rays. Basically, indefinitely for o o o

us alive or concerned yet, and there we keep saying golden records. They are gold plated they're, not solid gold like the dancers day, copper and they are covered in gold and they went with that because that was just while a few reasons. One is obviously we didn't have. We had tape, but tape will disintegrate. Eventually, we did not have digital storage like we do today today. If we wanted to do this, we can include whatever we wanted. Basically, what we getting include, like all of humanity, every recipe every song every movie painting anything. We wanted every speech ever made, but back. And they figured a record was the way to go, and this copper gold plated record was the thing that would hold up the best yeah. That's actually favouring meadow cause, those things doing in episode on DNA Data storage, we can put nearly all of the world's information and alike like in Cody,

DNA. This is like the opposite of that. The things or computers for Voyager Ruse helps us with us when he said that they had something like sixty seven kilobytes Scylla. Bites of of of ram of of memory aboard yeah and you're like while we really come a long way but think about how elegant that code had to be area to drive these two space probes that we're not only like these. These weren't weren't, just like hey, let's see how far we can shoot this thing like skip in Iraq on a pond like these rocks, had cameras and equipment and engines in for two things board that word that were Rhine and operated by these onboard computers that had sixty seven kilobytes programme. That is spectacularly impressive. The doesn't seem possible.

Chile, but there well. Actually I mean I was gonna say there. There were they're out there, but we're just kind of taking it on faith of the hour. The whole thing could be: one big lie aright. So if we're gonna talk about golden records, we need to talk about what preceded the Golden records Dave. Calls it a rough draft in this kind of again to put it, but in the early seventies there were the pioneer ten and eleven missions. These were to space probes, launch Potassae asteroid belt and their gold was to take the first pictures up close of Jupiter and Saturn and we can communicate with these guys anymore. Their way way out there, but Sagan went to NASA and said hey what do you think of sending a message in a bottle? Basically, like you mention a cosmic message and NASA everyone was smoking, weed back then, including Carl Sagan. I'm sure

I bet that second wheat was good to hear. We talked about number in the nuclear winner or I am episode that he he discovered we actually, he might not have been smoking weed at the time of the pioneer plaques, though I think was at prayer, I think Well, I think they came later Winnie when he met and worrying she was. She was the influenza, I think so. Are you well, at any rate NASA said, that's a cool idea. Let's do this I'm he was married to his second wife, when the salesman Sagan and the aforementioned Frank Drake, who was one of his old Cornell buddies, and they came up with a plaque in scripted plaque for this launch, right. So one of the very famous things on this pioneer plaque was a and etching of

a naked man and naked woman in their an atomic correct and very impressive. Yes, super almost almost shame legacy, shaming, LISA yeah, but am they they really want the time, a guy in the area, so that a lot of people I don't know a lot of people actually couldn't find any any contemporary articles on it. But there was this at least enough of a public outcry that it's worth noting against spending taxpayer money on creating what some people called space porn because of, I guess, is one thousand nine hundred and seventy two, seventy three People had you know a real aversion to the human lying drawings of naked men and it women put onto a play

can send out into space, even though they were trying to say is hey. These are what humans look like, how bout it? What are you? you like? What you see here mean data, those an uproar, I'm not sure if it was quite that bad, but I did the thing enough that NASA well we'll talk about what happened later on when, on their second attempted knit naked body while even today I want to say one more thing, even today on about those some people like, while notably they're, both white people, or if you look, the woman standing a little more demurely than the man is, but these were not things that Sagan in his friends were thinking of at the time they were like trying to say this is why what humans look like, with the amount of space that we have and it's worth pointing out to it, look at the picture. The man he's holding his hands up like hey how's, it goin he's gonna waving in like a friendly gesture. Jerk dislike hey understand in here,

get, how you doing here's my anus how're, you did bring your keys. This is the servant, and this whole thing and by the way you should just look it up. If you, if you ve never seen, this is Kennicott, look in its very seventies and it damn you get on a t shirt which ever saw one of these out. That's a there. Super nerdy sort of in the note t shirt to have. I would thank yeah for sure, but the other three things so yet the naked body you got my friendly man waving the Ladys. You stand there like. I guess he speaking for me, because it is the seventys and There are three other inscriptions that are all attempts to basically map way here, the earth is in the universe and in our solar system, something that they would do on the golden records. That was an important part of both of these things is to say, like

not only who we are. But where are we in this? As you know, this is where we are on the map yet which is really hard to do. I mean not just the idea that this might not be found for tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions of years, so you're trying to communicate in the future like that that nuclear semi out, except solely to India, but you also trying to communicate to somebody who hum Not even human has ever been to earth has no idea what we're talking about, and then you add a third layer of that that when they approached NASA with this black idea unnecessary, that's really great deal. It's do it give it to us yesterday right so they d come. Where they really quickly and Frank. Drake is kind of the unsung hero in a lot of this, because he was a very intelligent. Number one of the founders of Seti, the who originated the Drake equation. Witches probabilistic for you're for figuring out how the problem

reality of others. Alien life or not in the universe is an all round cool guy, but he was not the science communicator like. Second, what's a sinking gets a lot of credit, not necessarily tissues, hogging impetus, because he was the face or the mouthpiece of all these objects, but Frank Drake came up a lot of these ideas and he was the one who came up with this universal key for four figuring things like distance time in getting that across an alien civilization, and it was just straight up genius in its simplicity, but also in its universality two years. So it is interesting. It is like the Semi Alex episode in that thought, experiment of like how would I communicate with something that emulate clearly, you just can't ride out something in English, so they went, like you said very smartly, with hydrogen the most abundant element in the universe, and there are like, if there's something that's gonna, find this they're gonna know what hydrogen is there a lot

sanctions made, but the assumption that they would know what hydrant hydrogen is was a pretty good starting point. I think I agreed that is very good, something most abundant element. The universe, like you said, if you are, everything on the universe, you have any kind of grasp on chemistry. You know about hydrogen You probably have studied it pretty well and the ideas, if you're a space, fearing civilization and you ve come across the space probe, you kind of would have to be you probably at least have that most basic understanding of chemistry, which is presumed to be and of course all right, yes, so the deal with high Georgian Adams is very very very rarely this happens, but it does happen. The electron will start spinning in a different direction. Will change energy states pretty good bad name? This is known as hyper fine transition, Sir Math Rock, I guess gotta be Gavi Fraud,

yeah math rock for sure and when this happens they release a pulse of electromagnetic magnetic radiation in the key here is that it has a fix, wavelength and period right. So no matter where you are in the universe. If you know about hydrogen, you know that it takes place. Seven nanoseconds for this transition to take place. It releases a an energy up, a little bolt of lightning, basically with the the wavelength of what is it twenty one, centimeter is twenty one centimeter wavelength right? So this is no matter where you are in the universe? We assume hydrogen. Has these properties, and so Frank trait came on came along and in thought well. You know, if that's true everywhere in the universe and we basically put a little symbol thereof- a hydrogen Anna. Going into another hydrogen Adam, showing the two different energy states. They'll say: oh,

hydrogen. We know about that. Oh they're, talking about the transfer of the translation between Energy states, the hyper fine transition We know all about that so now we can you those those where's that are gonna be the same everywhere in the universe as a key to multiply, in divide within basically use that too. As a measure of time and distance, that's going to be, In the rest of the schematic that they put on the pioneer plaque, the only other constant that they had in mind was the fact that Sammy Hagar can't drive fifty five away. This would happen before that. I guess they should adjust had him deliver the plaque all over the place. You know yeah and that sweet for or whatever. That was, he would drive at least thirty eight thousand miles per hour if he got the chance or claiming that absolutely

oh they didn't have semi Hagar avail by thinking nineteen. Seventy two wasn't his well known as he is today. Obviously so. Instead, they they put these things aboard the pioneer and then, in addition to that, hydrogen, the hydrogen superfine hyper find transition must supervise superfluous. They created a diagram of our place in the universe in here is another way that Frank trig shine. He said, okay, what would, if you're an alien, civilization. What would you use to basically as signposts around the universe, and he figured out that pulsars would probably be used in hours? Are these incredibly dense, incredibly energetic collapse? Stars, and they're, usually about twelve or thirteen miles in diameter, so roughly the size of a city small, you know like at a city, but they have

mass many many many times, our own sons very, very dense, and they spin really fast and as they spend, they really see bursts of energy and when you're looking at them that burst of energy gets directed at you. It is certain rate, a certain repeating rate, basically like a lighthouse. These are celestial lighthouses and because they spin differently each one has a different frequency or different rate of straw basically- and so you can say, will this pulsar has this right? That's this pulsar! I know that's over here. Let's see where this other pulsar isn't frank. Drake chose fourteen pulsars in basically said here's their distance from our son. Now, if you, if you can find these pulsars, you can use that is basically a mat back to our solar system. Yeah, it's cool! Looking! If you look at the picture it some it looks

but like a bicycle, we'll spokes except there's, no tube or attire, and the spokes are at varying lengths, yeah dishonor missing the tires missing, yet the tiredness inessa them Fisher is. It would be very awkward bike deride lead because, like you said there link so Canada, the beer up and down and would not be comfortable Chuck yes the idea is that they could see this. They would underway what it means these assumptions again and they would compare Their current map of the pulsars said this enables a time stamped basically as a secondary function, because all this stuff is changing so if they compared where they are, whenever this thing gets found, presumably where it was spoke doubt in nineteen, seventy, two or whatever the naked deterred.

And how many millions of years had passed since the thing was lodged Yeats, it's pretty it's pretty amazing stuff. I mean like the the distance from the passage to the centre bailed out, unlike binary code, that if you multiply that by the wavelength hyper fine transition, you get the actual distance, the the frequency of those pulsars? You can figure out which pulsar they're talking about, because you are multiplied that binary code by the theme, the time period of the hyper fine transition. It is just like four drink came up with a universal way to create a road map around universe. To matter where you are, it's just me blowing that it covers, especially on the fly to yet time stamped road map, even its prioritizing. It really pretty amazing. So this is what they put a board Thea the pioneer plaque naked man, woman line, drawing very impressive, and then the

The one of the most ingenious we two dimensional maps when's ever devised. That could be used anywhere in the universe yeah. This was it little dry run for what would what would come next, which are the golden records, and maybe we take a break now and then talk about those. We take a break Let's do it. With the world changing so fast around as online shopping, is kind of the waiting now in a chuck yeah. That's right man, but did you know You can make online shopping even better. How listen? It is possible, my friend, possible with honey, because honey is the

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ok so check. We took a break your back and Thea. There was one other little kind of test run. Carl Sagan got to work on something called the M Lady Religiosa yoga with the jails laser GEO, dynamic satellite, which is a Clayton Hughes, like this, going to be kind of coolest thing I'll, be in orbit around earth. For eight point, four million years I'm going to leave a little a little a little oh, how do you do Denny any civilization? might find it. Millions of years from Now- and so this thing has an inscription of panacea from think two hundred and eighty million two hundred sixty eight million years ago, the the arrangement of the continent's today during human time, any very ingeniously indicates this by having

hand member the man with his hand, up gesture of friendly gesture. He places that next to the current arrangement and then what the continents will look like eight point, four million years from now, when luxurious is going to come back down to earth, says, is kind of like a dozen. Poor little side, diversion that I think he did for fun. Yes, he's he's got these Dr Runs goin on by the time the your comes along he's like you know what this is the mid too late. Seventy We need to really get a better message out there and let everyone know who we are ass humans, so one if we really want to do, is put pieces of culture music. He got together with Timothy Ferris, who worked for rolling Stone magazine, wrote about music in space, stuff, rolling stone. He was the project, and they said yeah musics, definitely gotta be in there. When you

I don't want some classical music because like Anyone should be able to hear classical music and understand the mathematical beauty. That's going on there, even even if, like that they chose because even if aliens don't have ears or any way to hear it if they SAM Math, they can kind of translating Buick. While this is pretty neat, what these people did with this math, hopefully yet so Frank Drake is on board again. The unsung genius of the stuff and he's the one that came up with the idea for the actual record, like I said, which would last much much longer, I think you say it was like a million years or something billion lily. Believe makers is at long last. Yes, what they shot for, and here's another benefit of using a record. Is we play obese standard L, peace at thirty? Three anything revolutions per minute, you dont have to play him like that. You can slow down and you can pack a lot

we're stuff on there. That accounts for about twenty three minutes aside, they slowed down disturb half that sixteen in two thirds revolutions minute and they did a lot of crunching. Basically in tightening they ended up getting about an hour's worth per side on these golden records of information yeah, which is pretty impressive in and of itself Ok, great, we can fill a lot more sounds on their than then justice. Or a normal lp right, but they are. They also figured out. I'm not sure Frank Drake came up with this or if he am, I think it was reported to him that this is possible, but We found out that there is a company called Colorado video there. Pioneered away to take television images and convert them into audio and then you could take the audio and if you use the right algorithm, you could come

the audio back into a visual signal, television signal again amazing yeah, so they're like this is great week. We we can actually not only put sound the music and words on these records, we can embed images to and They got with Colorado, video cholera, video carry that out for them, which is something we'll talk about. It One of the things they were able to add was actual images. So, if you were an alien that came across this these this golden rex. Out there and voyage one avoid you're too, and you follow the instructions which will talk about. You could create recreate the pictures that are embedded as sound and in these records the mine blowing seventy stuff here are totally so. We ve got these records, which, if you in a record. Don't have to be vinyl like I said these are our copper covered and golden if you look at and they just look like regular lp that are gold and color soup

shiny, very, very shiny, but then they have on top. They have this cover that you said, is made of aluminum and it's it's basically round in you know the exact same size of the LP. It's not like a square record LP sleeve or whatever that, where you do, but on this cover, are all the instructions for what these people are gonna be looking at and holding on these people. Listen to me that these persons in my human centric mine, say, air called the anthropocentric. I guess so again in whatever these beings are when they get these records on the cover. Is everything you need to know about what it is and how to play it so again, they ran into the same problem of how do you feel We don't even know that we could embed video in two audio signals on a record. How are you going?

teach an alien to to do the to recreate this and see the pictures they d figure. How to do this using binary code picture graphs? The easiest first step was to include a cartridge in style so there is actually like a needle to play the record with, but that's not intuitive certainly, if you're an alien, so they included a little drawing of the record and where you should place the needle and how to the needle, while the little already in place there, was it already in place? Ok, yet I M ready to go right, so why not make it as easy as possible and the aliens okay? So they were thing, don't touch anything use it like this that was one. They also had kind of like a four steps step by step. Instructions, on the algorithm that they would need to use to turn in the audio into video right and it shows that it supposed to create five hundred and twelve interlaced lines.

Kind of like an old time tv. You know how that, like all lines, two horizontal lines or actually interweave of horizontal vertical, They use day a test picture they on the cover of the album, there's a square with the circle in it, and that's actually the first picture that will come up if you're doing this right. So is kind of like saying if you can recreate this you're on the right track. Yeah again it's ingenious. I can't make heads or tails of it, but I'm guessing. If you, and I were pilots an alien civilization sure skirting around Talkin smack we came across Voyager one or two, and we found this thing would probably take it back to our top minds. We will try to figure it out ourselves where or we would, but we wouldn't get anywhere, but you put bet that, if we put in our best scientists on this problem, they could probably decipher this

figure it out yeah. I think so I hope so because, if not it's all for not well, I mean you just gotta, take your best stab at it. Not then. This is a pretty good sense I did so. I did see our guy I'm buying boiling back in. I think two thousand not sure not too long ago he tried it. It was able to see zestfully do it following the Erika done so at least one person figured it out. Well, let's go then was highlighted this super intelligent, alien in human than a human skin sack than right, then that's a good driver so? The other thing is included on the cover. Was that same thing from the pioneer plaque that that pulse our map, because he was like we already figure this out. So this is great. There's no need to change the same, just throw that honours well, and then

There are these four inscriptions, basically teaching them how to decipher all these images and in binary symbols again right yet and if the idea that algorithm, yet if they get to that circle, which day pointed out like enough after they know, if it's not backwardness, thing. I thought there too, but also saw pointed out that they chose a circle specifically because it shows the that you're, you have the correct whore, on vertical aspect. I guess I guess sir yeah, it's like the there's when you were a gesture, your horizontal and vertical hold. Yes, exactly exactly so this circle, if it looks, like that circle isn't flatter thinner, whatever you're you got the right vertical and

where's on last night. I think that's why they chose that circle and, I have to say, Chuck, I feel, really uncomfortable here, because it pretty tough to stump both of us right. At the same time, George, and so it's kind of bug me researching this whole, this whole episode- and I think part of it- is that Frank Drake and Andrew Ryan and TIM Ferris and Carl Sagan made this stuff up. Is it tempers yet is timber? So Timothy Ferris, not TIM? First before our work week, I rang the Timothy first but the, made the stuff up in the hope that an alien civilization will will understand it in a lot. It does make sense, but it's not necessarily to devote, but it's also not necessarily something that I think you could go to school and learn you just kind of have to be I been on what the small group of people came up in this ad hoc way as a message on behalf of humanity out to any alien civilization that found it, which makes me feel better

about failing to fully understand every aspect them yeah, I totally agree. There is one final peace before week is everyone's like yeah. But, what's on there I'm going to tell you the last sort of nerdy pieces. They wanted the time stamp this one too, cover, so they included on the surface thing, a little tiny piece of uranium to thirty eight yeah. This is cool yeah, it's a radioactive isotope that has a hand why, for four and a half billion years in decays, at a steady rate which is perfect, because if you found this thing you know millions and billions of years later, they would able to analyze that little patch of uranium in pinpoint exactly when this thing was launched and if the all that makes sense and you weren't confused by goes into carbon fourteen episode to you- can become confused by that's right. Ok, so can we talk about what was on this thing now

we have two and of course we should we want to. But we had to build up, you know and get it to the point where everyone understood the technical difficulty that involved in getting these things, because today it's like, want a city actually tried to make a city today say was ten years ago, fifteen years ago you and make a city easy as pie right. This was all this making stuff up at the time to put on record and then, in addition to that, they did choose the stuff from all of the things you could possibly. From humanity to kind of give as clear and round in in deep and wide a picture of what makes humans human and what makes earth earth in what demonstrates our understanding of all this to somebody. Who's, never met before. That is a really big task and that's what they were facing when they, when they curated this collection year, because likely said it's not like you

of an infinite amount of images to do stuff on there, they basically said: are you get space, for I saw a hundred and sixteen images so go out at what one hundred and sixteen things will best crystallize. What planet, earth and humanity is all about right, so the first they did was so MIKE astronomical images, scientific diagrams and stuff, like that, that charge where we are in the solar stem to basically say here's where we are here's what our masses, here's, how far the planets are from the sun and just kind of a broad overview of what our solar system is bright, pretty good place to start it is in. A kind of drills down a little more into biology and our understanding of nature and sell, and cell division and then that kind of nicely transition to human biology, torso cell division into

feed us, and then they apparently had a picture of it a good man and woman again couldn't get enough of that stuff, unnecessary, Mona, the sick us we'll take men and women picture, but we're going to black them out so that it's just a filled in silhouette like were those called the shadow when you're like elementary school I don't know you don't take. What's it like you, would they would shine a light on you and then they would basically cut your shadow out and construction pay. And then you would have a filled in black silhouette of yourself from a profile yeah. I think I remember that basically like that, but this is a full full frontal lacked out silhouette of a man and woman, but if it's never good, it does but necessary. We're not gonna totally to feed the purpose that feed us from the last slide

put that in the center of the woman's admin, and then that would justify our prudency. I guess so I sort of get it, but it's just dumb. I mean job. I mean there. Weren't, like put Khakis inner blazer on the guy. Like you, gotta show the parts and you gotta show the naked parts and what we look like the GSM dockers on their almost said dockers, it's funny so they also showed a woman breastfeeding, which I thought was really great, considering that they blacked out the the nudity otherwise and then they they show like him, development, kids in school people, eating there's one slide of a person and licking an ice cream cone. Somebody any assignments in somebody, drinking glass of water, all in one image, the really Crandall out go into that. There was a gum things like our agriculture

in growing food and then nature also, you want cause. It wasn't out just about humans, but now myself you gotta have the birds and the flowers in the fisheries. Have insects yet had the great barrier reef, mountain ranges. It showed humans doing things like gymnastics, imagine which was might be very confusing thing to see yet well. The first picture they submitted was naked gymnastics unnecessary, go get us another. Is there any other kind? Asthma effect there, and then they go to art. Of course, pictures of musical instruments paintings the great wall of China, skyscrapers trains, cars airplanes rockets. They did not put stuff like that, religion or disease or crime or war or poverty. They wanted to be a bummer.

The kind of just wanted to show like the achievements of humanity. I think have you ever seen. Did you look at all these images? and look at all of them are looked at a lot of em and I listened to a lot of stuff so regarding the sum this set of, like antlike anniversary. So I think, there's a kickstarter a couple years backwards. People wanted to like reissue it on record so you may get me a certain comes with like the liner notes are just amazing and everything and you go through Look at the pictures and there like I, find the entire set combined to be rather unsettling yeah. You know a very like seven, these educational film way. Yes, they dont have like a coherent look to them, which I understand like there's, not a coherent look too to the world or to earth yes, but there is a system that there is no use.

Fighting design or anything like that. It was just a random assemblage of pictures and dry diagrams somewhere black and white summer blacked out summer to silhouette summer, full color It's almost like jarring. In the way of like come like that, that book, Wisconsin death trip that I'm always talking about is like what that is in text, this almost ism pictures and that's what we sent out there I'd edge Some reason to stir something in me that I can quite put my finger on, but it's not fully pleasant in a year. I had the same reaction. It was what you know what it will look like. It look like a set of images curated by a bunch of scientists, the did as manifest scientists on grass yeah like that it would have killed them to get any Leibovitz, and there are some sort of

I know you know, that's that's what I'm saying Andrea was like an artist year, MR, but she was, I think, a writer I think, sickens previous wife who I think they became separated during this process. I believe she was a visual artists, you're. Maybe her not being part of that project. Is that kind of unsettling aspect? You know I'm saying like she. She would abroad that therein didn't who knows near Us Chuck, actually, HOLLAND, I've I've identified it. Have you ever heard of you know Scarf Council nope, you do it's like this seventies, british P essays an educational films but they're all really dark and evil. You seen him for unity. Ok, it's almost like scar. Folk council chose the picture,

better that are in this right to look at it back up, you should now you'll be like as manufacturers to think you just put your finger on our aid so that side, one side a as it were, as all these images cut into this into the groups of this thing, ingenious then it's also they have their own sounds like if you just sitting there listening to the record, these pictures have sound that less a few seconds each, but if you through the algorithm. The sounds are translated into images. It's it's cool. He had neither they have them. Sound dinner hour, totally was gonna, make some kind of sound exactly so side be if you slip it over, it's the audio portion, and so this is where we get

get a little more about more interesting, but this is it's definitely seven, these and sort of spacey. When you listen to some of the stuff, the I would say the entirety of the sound side is super. Seventy spacey, like real yeah, trippy and cosmic and mellow even the stuff. That's like a lino, traditional folk music that they included at all, a real like super marijuana e place marijuana each year, stony sure, stoning of the kids call it but more like they just took marijuana, impress it in the music, While the first thing is an audio recording of justice, a sort of hey how you doing this. This is what you are about to listen to reason. Goodbye, Kurt Waldheim, the austrian secretary, in all the U n at the time he starts out

rather than he said this week. Step out of our solar system into the universe, seeking only peace and friendship to teach. If we are called upon to be taught if we are fortunate, I think those are beauty towards its very cool Jimmy Carter and included a printed coffee. For some reason he didn't You get a much more. Why movie? railways he famously hated. His voice. Did you This pretty pretty fast yeah, like you, said acid, and give a lot of time Do you want to see that this can along? We should just say it's pretty great as well. It is great, and he basically says we, working on our own problems here on earth, though we want to join this cosmic commute that's right one day in, and this is our first entre, and that this is a saying, hello right and then speak.

Saying hello! The next thing that you're gonna hear are fifty five greetings and fifty five languages, and the kind of bummer of this here is it's not like. They were able, as they had to do this pretty pretty fast yeah like he said now, sitting him a lot of time, so they couldn't necessarily go to all these countries in record people in person. So they got a lot of people who spoke these languages, but weren't necessarily natives of that language and they couldn't find all the languages. So I think one that a lot of people point to that was unfortunately left out was Swahili. So there's no message from someone in Swahili on it, but they did do a lot of languages considering what they are dealing with, and I think originally to they presume we just go to the U N and get each ambassador from each country. There too, recorder stage in their native language, but somebody pointed out there

almost all the ambassadors there at the time were men and Sagan in his crew definitely wanted a pretty even mix of men and women. Yet so they had a kind of on the fly figure out. We need to get some Coronel faculty that to get it on this in and they managed to pull out what was a fifty five languages yeah fifty five in some of these, they didn't tell people what to say to some sort of greeting in. However, you would want to greet people in your language in some of these are define the boy one which is part of the men dialects. Has this friends of face. How are you all heavy have you eating yet come visit is if you have time you had a time we don't want to it's you out by making me feel obligated Zulu said we greet you great ones. We are with you jeopardy yeah there can over. You know, sand we're going to assume.

You can wipe us all out. I'm just gonna throw some governments out at you. There's like one step away from Eldridge gods. Persian person. The Persian Rome is pretty good hello to the residents of the far skies and the polish ones as well creatures beyond our world that scary, but I like it and, like you said, the angel When was what's which one was actually Carl Sagan and Linda Sultan seconds, son neck, very cutie. Six years old, an improvised this hello from the children of planetary Buddha. Nice. It was very nice. So there was this kind of like a bunch of different eating, saying hello comes and goes pretty quick, even others. Fifty five countries, none of them take particularly longer, but then, after this, to get a little more far out, and I say we take a break and then come back. You want to

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I just saw the big cliffhanger was whether who's actually going to be far out or not. If I was right and it turns out, I was right: the stuff gets far out pretty quick and I think there's no way. We can't play one of the things, Wait. You gotta know what I'm talking about. I think so what music at the spheres? Now? Ok, the Whale Wilson, no, the sound essay, which part I will list distillery one quickly. He did include a whale song decisions idea. He thought that you know the people are the future might not even But people are the future. Here we go again. Whatever these things are my not communicate no language. It may be more like a whale

answers there, one of those on there was Wilson's or nice, then they did this sound essay. Of course yeah. Did it pretty cool? If you think about it in order to try to, evolution on their first. Good within it yeah for sure they included yes kind of like a trip through time and even before, human, the evolution of life, it's supposed to kind of cap, The early earth there's like lightning in in thunder and rain. There's mud pots bubbling volcanoes earthquakes all that stuff. This is basically say like this: how early kind of came together and then animals. Of course yeah did it pretty cool if you think about it in order to try to do auditory progression of of the evolution of earth. So ya, then life comes along crickets and birds and elephants

in humans, and this is what I learned about, but yet only so it I guess. Timothy Ferris was kind of in charge of picking out the music was part of it or the sound essay and Andrew. You did too. I think they were together in notably they were actually engaged at the time, at least at the beginning of this project, the first invariant or what color jury and, what's her what's her last name, I think it's just do it, I like to add a little mustard to night, so Timothy in an were working together on this and for humanity. When humanity finally makes an appearance in the sound essay right, it's one of the most bizarre sensations of humanity really is that they could have caught like

I have no idea what they were thinking. I don't either it it doesn't make any sense. So, there's a wind swept plain footsteps and then Laughter Dave causes sinister laughter, and you could definitely take it that way. But I think it can also be weird hardy laughter, but it's odd either way, and especially when you put these elements together, its particularly odd. So I feel like we really need to play its fairly short. Yeah yeah, you failed to mention the heart be too, which is kind of what makes it all super creepy as well. Ok, so here it is. This is where humans come long in the sound essay

he's got well there I mean that is what they decided. This like this is this is what humans do they walk around with their hearts beating as loud. They can laugh windswept planes since through their footsteps echo behind that's the human experience for sure. Yes, this sound essay continues. Of course, once humans come along. They go through human evolution and fire and too rules and jobs like the sounds of blacksmithing and cheap hurting, sorrowing things, and then tractors and ships and cars and planes itself again. It just seems like a very seventies bomb water sort of spirit that I dont, like we mention the music of the spheres. I teased it. Oh yeah Meares also that this is a twelve minute recording technically it's a song, but it's based on the theories of that the great mathematician Kepler

honest Kepler, where they ascribed musical tone to each one of the planet's right and he worked with Bell Labs, the computer lab and reproduce the sound of the planets in a hundred years, orbit around the sun, yeah and so the terror either. It is crazy. I think that some things part one of the whole sound essay. The music of other spheres and Kepler was working off of Pythagoras is theories. Actually The thing is based on the idea that an object moving through space tends to make a sound weather, It's like the washing of wind or a humming your whatever in object. Moving will make some sort of sound and the planets are

Objects in there really really big objects, so they make huge sounds, and the theory was that the reason we can't hear these sounds is because we have no frame of reference for what thing sound like without them. So our concept of silence is actually filled with the sounds of the planet's including earth moving through space. We just don't hear it because we we are so attuned to it. And that each of these plans, because they move at a different rate, their different sizes of different massive velocities and everything that there Make their own unique sound in that when you put all these sounds together of the bodies in the solar system, they actually harmonise and so Kepler took it a step further and actually figured out what each one note each celestial body

make and then Sagan and his crew got together at the labs like you're, saying and produce that as the music other spheres, which is I mean this is the kind of stuff they were doing with just a few months to create the Voyager plaque project. In their entirety or the Voyager Golden Records in their entirety. Yet, if you get a look up music at the spheres on Youtube or something it's it's there's a lot of stuff out. There are called music at the spheres so, it's kind of tough didn't find the real one, even if he put in like Kepler. There are some wrong stuff out there. That is not the real music at his fears, but you can find it if you're in a peace plan in the time yeah there's an actual NASA Nessus jet propulsion lab has a site for debt, hated, the Voyager, Voyager DOT, J, P, L that NASA Gov yeah and they have all sorts of stuff about not just the Golan record, but the entire Voyager one in two project, which is pretty cool enough self, but they have ever.

Thing: that's on the golden record, including the from the south, and I say in the different components of the sound essay and music goes. Fears is on their yeah, really cool stuff, even though it's completely unfounded backed out its need that they kind of nodded to this tradition, by including it on their our totally and that's exactly. We should go so just be warned if you go to Youtube you're, going to get a lot of like India and stuff like that is music of the severe suggest, a very tricky title for a song pay, worse things happened to you today, something across and I think your track, but that you weren't expecting listen to a boy. I actually had one adversities beckoned them Oh do that had been was repeat one with the or Norway sailor. That's the one So the last part of the sound essays called life signs, and this is where it really gets out there as it is. Sattler enough already,

at an driven, said. Here's what I want to do. I want to record my brain activity using an e g, and then they may. Able to reverse engineer this thing and actually read my brain thoughts the future, and not only that, but I'm falling in love with Carl Sagan and he's when that love right back my way, so my mom e g, my brain waves that I'm sending out there are gonna, be soaked with love, and that's just like the most groovy thing that we can do. It is pretty groovy. If you think about it, and they got married, have they got married? They had some kids and they together until he died in his sixties. I think in ninety ninety two or three belief that right

I think I did. I ever heard it yet. But I heard radio lab did a pretty good episode about that about the life signs. Yeah sure it's great. Those guys are awesome, yeah, of course, so that the hardest thing, though Chuck was coming up with music. Self that was representative of the whole world. They didn't want it to be western music for western music. They chose mostly Beethoven embark again because, like you said and even an event, civilization that didn't have yours or didn't here didn't sense things like that: were they would still be able to analyze and be impressed by sea, the beauty and in magic in it, but they also chose some rhythm and blues as part of the western music

that they included two year you have to you. I mean I was besides Balkan Beethoven, there's other classical pieces on there, but you gotta represent humanity. You cannot represent humanity without the contribution of african american music, which was basically the birth of all popular music with blues jazz and then Rock n roll right. So they thought Chuck bury Johnny, be good gonna. Throw that up their dark was the night by Blind, Willie. Johnson, very. Can one of those early can creepy sounding blues jams, melancholy blues by Louis Armstrong and his hot seven, and I thought it was funny Dave included this too actually remember this area live, had a joke way back when this is all over the news where they said the space aliens message back would be seen more chuck berry.

Right is Steve. Martin doing a psychic character, cuckoo yeah, that's great, who is receiving telepathic messages, have her who ate intercepted the Voyager probe. You think the Beatles would be natural and they were except that it didn't work out, offer the beetle said yeah we love to be on their work, be right issues, so they did not make the cut so I read an article by Timothy Ferris saying That was an urban legend that they had never thought Then I will never tried it yeah that they hadn't included the Beatles and apparently part of the urban legend. Is the beetle song they were trying to get was here, comes the sun and he's like that would have been found. For a very short while, but he said the date that that was a rumour interesting at this disappointing, because I think that would be and we think that would be worthy of consideration Chuck Bury embarked.

Who's your choices, Chuck Bob Dylan. They thought about apparently, I gotta know Dylan might just they just might be wonder what the heck is talking about that smells like an urban legend. Do you think he had an Timothy versed in addressing one way or the other, but that you just stir cynical about that. I, smells like when you know I mean I don't think it's a good smelly. It smells real to me. It's not a big deal. Evanna now answer they also had music of the world. They headed a degree do, of course, some pan flute action. The little indian Rafi Little Indian RADA neighbourhood chant little Mary She jams.

OZ or by Johnny Bagpipes amazing. What our music from all over the world, basically, which, as you know with, which is what you gotta do, is stranger that did I mean Johnny Get was the only pop music they put on their Jan and again, this TIM Timothy Ferris recollection of it was there dumb that there was some descent about, including Chuck berry. I think that it was to add a lesson is what one of the people said and crossing yours like? Well, there's a lot of adolescence that live on planet earth, so it actually pretty representative, so it it off on their, but yet it is surprising that they like the Beatles or Sunday, especially from you, know this handful of potheads working on this project. You think for sure that they were chosen, something like that, but they didn't they put it. A yes do on their right. They'd put twenty went well, In its entirety, early genesis, which is

but better get way. Better won't, feel Collins took over and we talked about this I know so one of the things that Carl Sagan did after this project. Oh and by the way that laughter, there is apparently a big mystery about whose laughter was on that sound essay when humanity. Comes in his walking with the heart be going gifts and dumb, as and a greater tried very hard to get to the bottom of it, and she believed that she had that she finally got in touch with sashes Sagan crossings. Daughter Ireland and daughter. Who said I talk to my mom and she said that that that was my father's laughter and confirmed with an by then Timothy Ferris through rents, in the work as he was there to unease like look,

I knew Carl Sagan very well, and I heard his laugh plenty times and it didn't sound anything like that. So they're kind of like we're gonna go with it being Carl Sagan guess I think she'd spent years trying to figure this out and was really happy when she did and then was really crestfallen when it turns out that that wasn't the case- and there was some Adrian Lafrance who spent years trying to figure that mystery out well taken was a scientist in a mad scientist. If that's what it sounds like a little bit it does. It sounds like somebody on some on innocent bad grammar

So in the end, I think you could consider the project a success in a way in that it launched and they got what they felt like worked, but I think Sagan had a pretty good take on it, which was you know this is perfect, but we are not perfect, so pass the duty and let's just launched this type, so he calculated in he wrote a book about this whole thing called the murmurs of earth, and kind of recount the entire project like this. It is it if you really stepped back and look at it is a hang him full of people who came over the pretty cool idea got a bunch of people together to kind of contribute to it in and try to be ambassadors of earth edit barest, that's what it is at its fullest

It's one of the grandest gestures humanity's ever been involved in really this really hopeful throwing a message in the bottle into the cosmic ocean basically is Sagan put it. In wherever youth work, however, you feel you're going and a false somewhere in between that spectrum, but either way it was a remarkable project in this something it it was so Carl Sagan there are that many people out there specially alive at the time that he was alive. Who would have done that it not only just thought to do it? Had the connections at NASA to do it to talk people in doing this and actually do it and get it done and get some records out there in space floating around in the hopes that maybe one some aliens or find it know that we were here, it may become looking for us and wipe us out totally. So let's go records are let's golden records.

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