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Welcome to step you should now. Production of Iheart radios have stuff works through your modem. Do the podcast on Josh poured canoes Charles the reach of brain over there there's Jerry by the way we should say Jerry, say hate everybody s right, Jerry's back. I think we scared everyone's. I like joked on short stay for one recent episodes, issues gone discomfort, a couple of said she's, my now, but people took it to mean like Jerry, was gone and really yeah, says something we're a little freaked out by that, so Jerry's not going anywhere how anyone she doesn't want to. As far as we know, can a letter. Even if she does the train cherries here and you're here, to hurry there, I'm grey neither one of us removing our lips. Now, that's a good. We are, we ve done Whole conversation, without any I mean it's astounding

we can do to couple. Events were basically like EDGAR Bergen there, the deep cuts vent by the way. Everyone were probably say a lot that a short fur ventriloquist. Yes and ventriloquism can be a mouthful, So am I got another translated as little as possible. Ventriloquism can be, is again a mouthful and only four and a now don't worry. I had very mixed feelings about all of this. Why well First of all, I think it was this that I talked about practicing ventriloquism. When I was a kid, I don't call that feel like it may have been movie crush then, but I'd. I definitely one point on one of the issues mentioned that at one point, when I was a child, I had a record

ventriloquism record railway train yourself core and for very briefly, I thought it was something I wanted to do right and practiced it. Is everyone about. I didn't have had to have a costume and had a dummy, and I got a record. What would you like a ventriloquist dummy year out, not a you know, not of advance when it looks like a cyborg when you too around sure, but I mean, like you, had a dummy, you could sit on your knee and make the mouth open. While, yes, I was one of those you have my dummy, ass long. Why not No, I think I have a history than my childhood of starting things. Like that and then being like me, they all that puts the ins You're on the record. We really mean not. Can he remembered I was, and it goes from like the sixties or something probably mean sixties record instructor, yeah, but then I also watch the movie now dumbstruck in it,

Just it discovered me with a lot of mixed feelings so because it was sad, but also uplifting sure, but also sad yeah, but also at least yeah. If you haven't seen the documentary dumbstruck, you're missing out, it is a good nice low fi. Documentary, that's really easy to underestimate yeah, and I what I appreciated about it as they took five stories of five ventriloquist's and each of them were at different points in their careers from the kid just starting out. The lady. Who wants nothing more than to be on a cruise ship to the guy? Who is actively on the cruise ship to the point where killed his marriage yeah? Well, This point to the lady the other lady who just she had all kinds of problems and life.

Yeah, but it was also very uplifting in which her community rallied around after out near to the Big Guy Terry Phaedr too phaedr, who you now is because it net worth, if you believe the sights of like a hundred fifty million bucks. He signed, a hunter million dollar deal eight years ago with the Mirage yeah. That was for five years. So he is he still there right. Ok, here, hopefully negotiated an even better deal for years ago. So I just want to me sure from people who are unaware of Terry failure in that deal. If you'll go back, at the beginning we said we are talking about ventriloquist's ventriloquism, Terry, a ventriloquist any signed the largest dollar deal in the history of LAS Vegas as ventriloquist at the time by other capture. That perfect, in that documentary, dumbstruck, yeah, just all the various components and then My whole, I dont know,

someone's Yom, but like many times I don't find them funny, you're crazy, that's it. The route of it is like the jokes weren't funny to me. Why is it it's really? They can stick that Varville tradition and a lot of ways and that now the bad jokes, yes then you see the people in the audience just eat These old crews cruisers church, just like it's the best thing in these old Vegas types that they had ever seen so, but far be it from me to yucky. But there was my emotions were all over the map. Well, that's why I half regret suggesting this article and was operating, but at the same time the finest delicious. So let's talk about ancient Greece in Egypt, so dismay sure everybody understands autonomous chug ventriloquism is where you make it appear like a dummy the sitting on your knee and no words are coming out of that dummies mouth right, but then have to be underlined.

No, it doesn't necessarily even have to be a dummy, in fact, the earliest ones in Greece, like you're, saying even before that engine Egypt around the Middle EAST. There was accounts of ventriloquism, but they didn't say you should have seen this ventriloquist. I saw last night. He was great. They said you need to go see this medicine man with a soothsayer or the spiritualist, because this guy can talk to the spirits in the tree a rock bright or in his stomach, and that's how ventriloquism originally got gotta start. It was a spiritual practice that was essentially scam or to see. I guess it's away. To put it, but I mean like They were profits in religious figures, and this is one of the things they did yet and I don't even think we, broke down really at its root. What we're talking about in its simplest terms, is speaking without moving your lips.

Basically, but there's there's a little more mustard to it right, but it is you're speaking, while moving your lips than you are a puppeteer, that's the distinction. I see what you say: yes, you're you're, trying to make it appears of something else, a speaking. Instead of you right where's, it puppeteer will just stand behind the curtain, sure they don't care of their mouth like like it now tomorrow, but that's your mustard I mentioned is that in this is frequently the case when some he's, not using a dummy, a ventriloquist only doesn't move their mouth. They can adjust their voice to make it sound like their voices coming from some other place away from them what's commonly called, is throwing their voice and we'll talk about that later right, but that just earth I mean that there really not throwing their voice, not just a mental trick. Yes, what? Yes, It's like they can do something with their voice to make it sound like it's coming from a different play, so they can

the site, with awarded the way I read it was. It was just a mental trick of believing happening up like you, can't literally make your voice sound, like it's coming from a different place. So this is this. Is it was all right enough? Fine, if you are talking to ventriloquist and they make it they throw their voice to make it sound. Like somebody is under the bridge, though you two were standing on If you went under the bridge, you would not here, that voice coming from under the bridge. They can't that's right. Throw their voice is a terrible term for yet, but they can adjust their. Voice. They can modulate the volume they can make a sound muffled. They can make it sound echoing they can make it sound like it's under water. They can make us only gets closer far away so that that's one component of the illusion of ventriloquism is they can make it sound like you would expect this

and if it were a voice underwater under a bridge or something like, I think I thought you were talking about space and time where it is really just a vocal cos already. It is combined with some other magic that they do right. Mother sleight of hand missed action in all that which again right we'll talk about later yeah. But it is the thing, two though, when you see a ventriloquist quote, their voice, their generally throwing it to a dummy. That's about nine, is from their own voice. Yet typically, so it's not something you know but the original ventriloquist's. We didn't use dumb rather they were, they were much more adept at throwing their voice, gotcha, say So when you went to see one of these belly profits or whatever in the

made it seem like they were speaking with a tree. They were talking to a tree in the tree, was talking back. It sounded the person standing by them that the tree was talking for a number of reasons, Sacha, which will talk about later that's very interesting. Having so too so busy you keep to my belly profits. I guess we should explain what that is. It was literally like. Sometimes they would talk to something inside their own stomach and their stomach was talking back and that's what are they name actually comes from. If you talk about the latin of the greek words for belly profit or belly talker, its ventriloquism venture is belly and l o q. You, I speak speaking from the belly

here it comes in their bizarre yeah, but it wasn't. Obviously it wasn't an act at this point. Like entertainment act and that it was disparaged is of the devil and of course you know when Christianity came through town and the spanish inquisition, and it was not a good time to be of a voice thrower no even from like their earliest days of Christianity, was considered a form of necromancy witches, bastard and enabled by the devil. So if you're ventriloquist her that kind of spiritualist, you were basically Satan's minion that's how ventriloquism was originally seen in probably a lot of people who were killed over the centuries because impart they were ventriloquist's, that's right, but it eventually would become entertainment. Once everyone can kind of got a little more rational was like it's not the devil. It's not Satan and

really transition to performance, but they still are using the dummies. At this point, no, we're, but I wanna gonna hit on their rational thing. Ventriloquism was It's kind of rooted out as something that could be explained through rationalism during the enlightenment, right that enlightenment, thinkers kind of pounced on and said, here's how this works. So remember that superstitious belief that you have that somebody could communion with the spirits. This is how we did the idea so stop believing that, so that was it the tool of enlightenment, thinkers explaining ventriloquism, given oil, the magic tricks, actually that's what they did. In fact, there is a guy named dumb Johan Baptista Chapelle who wrote a five hundred and seventy two page book exploring telecom in explaining how it worked yeah, but as far as

the entertainment aspects. Pre dummy the kind. The first person named as a sixteenth century valid the french king, Francis the first There was Louis robot and he would entertain the court there and the way it sort of came across to me was much like a gesture could poke fine. It p all that they normally would know out did poke fun of this is what this guy would do, but he would just do it without moving his lips and everyone thought it was hysterical. That's the whole comic tradition of ventriloquism the the the dummy or the imaginary character. If there wasn't, a dummy can say things that the ventriloquist himself or herself I could never get away with, but somehow societies been like, finally, this inanimate objects, as it were, even though it really this guy saying it. We ve all decided it's fine that say it here. I haven't

clearly in our society. I wish you guys, like you, that each Arkwright now he had just been scowling like this whole episode, scowling good, if you know like that, guy with the Big racists act on that one of these people is going. It's really just the dummy I'm going to know that guy's, a terrible comedian is there were all this is about. Jeff Dunham is ventriloquist, none at all, but I am certainly not a part of society. Thinking like that cute little dummy saying terrible things. Sure, ok, but that is the long standing tradition, odor comedy behind ventriloquism yea I thoroughly like racist stuff or anything like that, but disease. Yours and in stinging comments. Yeah normally live in Philly would not be able to get away with well, and not only that I got the feeling from watching that documentary that it's a little bit of a therapy for people that would guess who don't feel like they can say the things they really want to say so, the same through the dummy yeah, it was remarkable in in dumbstruck. They say most ventriloquist directly to the people who go to

this convention that that is covered in the documentary. Worse are shy. People then surprise me, and it's like there, dummies. Their alter eager get a little It's interesting little deep Fischer for sure and assistance this work and say it again- I'm not Yoni Yum could be we're getting out of it. It looks like the anytime. You have conventions like that. It's of justice, interesting slice of life there hanging out, gather yes, any and all conventions for sure, yeah, ventriloquist convention in particular. Yet had always it's good cause. I feel like a lot of times these people that may feel like their outsiders and that they have a family when they hook up with these communities, see there's something great about ventriloquist jerk mean hack, I'm the one it I did as a kid I was certainly into it with do you remember the name you dummy think I named them and I didn't go by and at think it just happened upon my house at something.

Oh. He just showed up at your house that didn't creep you out at all. Well, They must have been my brother that bought it. My hope it was for me to get it used record and give it a shot for two weeks. You're really seared into your memory. To that I ask it was you know: I've tried pretty hard for a couple of weeks and you can get her In all events, I got it enough. I don't hate Vince at all, I'm just now, someone. You is a dummy, say those things not a person. I got it. I guess but this is how it went on for a while in Europe at least people who talk like that, while there were people in courts all over Europe, basically transition from the gesture to ventriloquist's right because the enlightenment say look at this weird trick that Ali Spiritual, like soothsayers, have used over the centuries over the millennia you can do it do.

Here's how they did it. Let's all stop believing in it and somehow astoundingly it ended up becoming a performance. Are it went from a spiritual trick to performance? Are the people came to apply, but it was until the seventeen fifty is that the the I guess they call them dummies. You could also call them puppets of seeing other people call them. Dolls yeah, but it seemed like dummy is the is the return, but an austrian dude name: Baron Dominion started using a little door with a little nutcracker mouth and he could move that job that lower jaw and all of a sudden it started to catch on first, though they were using tons and tons of these dolls lined up in a row. Yet they went from using non two tons of yeah. I got pretty unwieldy and then I think everyone sort of realize what you should really do is get a dummy, give that dummy a personality, and then let that be

you're right in it, was one day in particular who can started that event named Fred Russell, whose British, in the late nineteenth century- and I mean it, the the fashion- was the havoc as many as thirty dummies onstage and you would act out like us. Like a courtroom scene or something and the vent would use their their feet to Caen. Everything with New Maddox and they re jump from character to character. Mussulman amazing, to see but Fred Russell was like filling carding. All these people around him he's gonna stick the one dumb here, which was innovative. Even more innovative, was that he created a character for that dummy, rather and just like you having the dummy say whatever was needed for the sketch he would rights catches around the character. His dummy cost her Joe, and so he basically is known:

the father of modern ventriloquism yet, and that really establish the the thing where you view sell the audience, in effect that there too people performing and it's a buddy comedy act, but one of them has His hand in the butt of another year and the guy, who has his hand in the butter, the others, the straight man and the guy who as the hand in his, but is the wise cracker. That's right! That's the way now I dont think any ventriloquism ever done at the opposite. So much to try that, surely I can't believe no one has I'm sure someone has I hope I want to hear about. It should take a break. I think we should mean idealistic break and we'll talk about Murphy. Right after this,

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busily in utter do a jungle call. What is that all She would whistle to a wolf whistle like a cat call, so you'd walk into the room and go through nice and the one or two things nice and the one all to think it whistled Dixie. Maybe I should have done tourism routinely they bird Dolly she's, pretty great cockadoodle, not Cockatoo no cocktails, along with the big head, a little smaller things that fly around the house and poop on everything. Oh cockatoo is big: bigger, yeah, civic white guy that Barretta had the fruit loops guy. Now, that's it again. So you can't bargain is Murphy Browned right? She is also the daughter of EDGAR Bergen who is totally insane you're, not insane. He was a one of the most popular

entertainers in the country, yet for decades, for a long long time, not just one of the most popular ventriloquist's, like you, said one of the most popular entertainers, that's right in It's something that one would think is not even possible, which is to have a ventriloquism act on the radio yeah but that's it I mean that's a good point Tom. She wrote this article force and he says, like that, really points out like village sea change, that Frederick brought about where he was writing jokes. Based around this character, there EDGAR Bergin created this character of Charlie Mccoy the characters in the jokes and the dialogue and the fact that he could join is the jokes and the dialogue and the fact that he could jumped back and forth between himself and these characters. Yeah. That's what people cared about, because EDGAR, was actually not very good at not moving his lips radios perfect for him exactly, but he was huge on the radio for like twenty years from this venture.

And routine. He was a ventriloquist on the radio for twenty years. Right, and he did. You began the tradition, but he certainly reinforce the tradition of going deep with the fact that these are little people to them. Yet, like he's is certainly not the first or less to give them their own bedrooms. Their own beds near to be sometimes are buried with their dumb. He'll he left ten thousand dollars to Charlie Mccarthy and his Willie. Let zero to canvass near me what to do with that shit. She didn't allow with it. So what dull literally do at that. I say to me: I thought you know. I can't burgundy letters that didn't granted a view. I don't know who knows where that money. When I know Cans Bergen didn't get here, but she grew up Charlie Macarthur would be on the other knee and he'd make them talk to each. There would be on the other knee and he'd make them talk to each other, like he'd squeeze the back neck when he wanted her to talk or whatever

but her mouth Kazi would talk for she had a strange childhood friction, though there was a resentment stuff dinner. I think a little you and if not a lot well you're talking about the fact that the strength of the jug so had to be why he was of popular in the radio and that's what they point. One of a makes him that dumbstruck. Videos like it's gotta be funny no matter how good you are with the lips right. That's not funny! I kept thinking like, right. What is one of these people gotta be funny, even the big famous ones yeah. I mean like theirs. Even the almost to a ventriloquist. Even the the blue ones, the not as fast We friendly wander are still pretty fun, my friendly, really yeah, except for a few people that really just shock really one one just comes to mind. As far as I could tell ATO and George Auto Peterson I believe as his name and his dummy, George yeah Hetty, just absolutely filthy, ventriloquist routine.

Not was the straight man and George. The dummy was the justice total foul mouthed briskly guy from Jersey as what he was doing, but Apparently those two hosted the don't video awards two years in a row and the second year there, like you, can't come back. You have offended of the poor and actors, and they don't want you to come back well and then Jeff Dunham guy you mentioned? We might as well say that this guy cells out arenas doing characters like outcome at the dead terrorists and a mexican emigrants in Bali stereotypes buddy. Does it through a puppet? So it's fine! So it's why? So you know he has the guinea record for the standard comedian who sold the most tickets and ever just mind, boggling energy should be reclassified. The hookahs some real and comedian in second place is probably deserves at a word answered, Kevin, hardly Tubby, a t f. Yes, probably him right, so you ve got

Jeff Dunham in the World record book got Terry Phaedr with a hundred million dollar mirage deal so out of single day? There's a show called America's got talent, one two three, including Terry failure. Ventriloquist's have one that show here. Three venture quit. So there's like of weird ventriloquism renaissance, going on right now, yeah failure and I think was the other one. Darcy win, yeah Darcy, when farmer or notable she was just twelve years old, yet she's good. They are notable for being good singers and will have their dummy sing songs, and I think that's generally. What seems too, people out as when this beautiful voice comes out of that felt. Mouth, air in a leg gum Terry failures, dummy the rendition of ETA James. That last year, it's really something to hear and see it's amazing here, so it

it's weird, because you get EDGAR Bergen from the thirties till late fifties, it was Haiti of Ventriloquism there and then You ve got this kind of resurgence in the two thousand two thousand hands, but in between get over, really went away. Some of the most wrecking Isabel ventriloquism. I like lamb chops stir the dummy Madame Jerry Mahogany. Madame all those came in between those two times, yeah listed on the gong show in the sunny and share show, and they would make these appearances and the boom of the seventies variety show shirt. Oh, it's no again ever went away and it makes you wonder. Ventriloquism ever really will go away because I think it will for wine as everyone to

person can agree its astoundingly hilarious. The jokes are and then, secondly, to see a truly good ventriloquist's perform its something to see it is thrilling visit to an extent. Yes, The one thing I can say that impresses me is when its really fast back and forth right between the two, because that is just physically impressive to me to be able to do that. Right is due to hand, movements and sink it out. Without really right exactly or if you like, the great Lester Drink while you're. While your vent dummy is talking, yeah looked into that trick, It's really making a sound is not talking the dummy, isn't but well when they're doing is there not drinking? They have trick glasses. Oh really, here. While I fooled me so we talked about the ventriloquism museum, because we're talking about dumbstruck

but there is a museum is converted house in the suburbs in a subdivision. I thinking in Fort Mitchell Kentucky right across from Cincinnati, and there are a thousand dummies where this is like where they live now, it's a nightmare room is what it is. Have you seen it results in a documentary right, ok, there's pictures of it all over, but it it's a bit of a nightmare room yeah, but it's really cool, especially fewer ventriloquist, because as part of this saying, like you're, please you know take care of my dummy after I die the dumb These will be kept in good condition. They will be kept clean, I walked behind the ears all that stuff signed up, but no one, no one will animate them. It's just part of it not in the curator of the museum can touch these things. You handle them. The curator can but too to Anna, To make him talk here is a gross violation of the dummy vent relationship that was

created over the years other hand shall be up the but right except for its original owner, but I think that's fantastic yeah. You don't disrespect someone I mean like that now and the Smithsonian article kind of put it in perspective. This is like debates just going Come along and pickup truck berries, guitar, Lucille, Stroman on it or whatever. Where was it from Smithsonian cause Bebe King has Lucille. Oh well. They got around and absurd gotta run you who's. This. Sony and magazine article four here that Smithsonian thanks again Smithsonian who is it wrong again, gay guys are disappearing, I said earlier that that room is a nightmare. I was a disparaging dummies. Urban rural tourism. There's a a long standing, sort of thing in pop culture. That dummies are, you know, come alive at night and kill you a decidedly creepy when they're, just laying there on a couch or something

help there when they are not being animated here that there are referred to as dead that is my laying their floppy eyes, open mouth agape and it's just creepy. Looking we gotta read this I quote from the writer who wrote this alluring canter it's here when Drake across the table or chair away from the performer, the dolls floppy. Limbs resembled out of a dead body, but the eyes remain open and the mouth is fixed with a terrifying smile. The body is a poorly embalm child, corpse its decidedly creepy so much Have you seen that yet Benson Benson, as it is a dummy that every time played up like it's every time he appears it's like a horror movie is a horror, movies, sting and he's in the german It's like a horror movie that gives a horror movie sting and he's in the dramatic lighting, and movie magic. I remember when I was a kid with Anthony Hopkins and nineteen. Seventy eight, the Jersey, dead silence

no, but I just remember seeing that magic trailer. When I was seven and thinking it was the scariest looking thing I've ever seen. It was a pretty scary one. Although I'll bet you, or pseudo nuts throbbing, that's carried all is it I saw it recently is fairly scaring these scariest ventures tourism, tv show or movie of all time is an Alfred Hitchcock presents episode called the glass I guarantee just GO watch. It go find it on Netflix on Prime on Hulu I'm here, find the glass. I think it's season, three of Alfred Hitchcock presents, and thank me later, it will give you chills. I'm getting chills right now to talk about. It was genuinely scary to check that out, just beautifully done well and it sort of sets itself up way and that you have a inanimate thing, you bring to life, and all you have to do. The story is cross it in some way, either by

forgetting about it, leaving it behind, bore getting a new and right jealousies and big things jealousy, and then that thing comes to life and kills you in your sleep. Yes, it's all waiting to be by first starts by killing your friends and loved ones. Sure you're the land right. Exactly you just wake up in your wife's gone dummies in there smiling the wind, open his man. I gotta see that now the glass I I think I think we should take it break and then we'll come back and finally talk about throwing your voice. You ok with their doubts, hey there, its job and Strickland from tax stuff, be sure to tune in to a very special episode of text, that was recorded inside amazed to see Ex thirty at the Ellie Auto show where I discuss

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you can make your voice sound, like it's coming from a different location, if you're really good at that yellowing your voice GNP, The trick is a visual illusion that happens when someone standing there watching a human being with a puppet and the puppets talking and you see that with your eyeballs, you you are your brain is tricked into disbelieving. But again, that's when you know the dummy is only footway anyway drive in all these member two hundred feet away. It's not much of a leap, so they use actually, your brain doings of these, not you saying I'm going to decide. I decided I'm going to go on with this ventriloquist job internally nicer you're. Does your brains actually being tricked because there's something appropriately called the ventriloquist effect If your eyes in your ears are telling you to slightly different things, your brain.

Right override your ears and goes with your eyes eyes. When always so, if your eyes are telling your brain hey, I think that voice is coming from that dummy cause. The dummies lips are moving in time with the sound the brains can it be, kids coming out of the dummy, even though your ears are like no, it's coming a little to the right of the dummy, your brain said, shut up ears and actually over rides, what your ears are sending it in merges it with what your eyes are sending out, so that you subjectively experience the sound coming out of the dummy bright and its It's bizarre, but if you stop and think about, if you're watching tv and you just get their little, bigger built into the bottom of the tv. It's not like the sound of people talking appears to becoming the speaker in the Burma TV. It seems like it's coming out of people's lips same exact thing. That's ventriloquist effect, yet

slightly different with movies is actually put speakers behind the movie screen to help, without effect well moose screen so large right, but even if just use in some Yankee TV that, just as the terrible speaker built into the bottom or the right side or something it's not like you liked, I can't even followed what other tvs, what what else is out there that I don't know about the eldest of speakers know you could have homes. Speakers connected to your tv some speakers. My have the same to you may have a speaker in the top left her in the bottom right. It's all over the place is a free for all another thing that really helps us effect to, and this is what you did you anyway. If you wanna get act as you wanna really give that dummy a distinct personality from your own right. It should sound very different, a lot of times it's a different accent. You just really want to put a distance between

and who you are and how you talk and who that dummy is and how they talk. Yeah, because when you, when you talk like that, the first couple of times the dummy speaks not only is delivering some of the funniest joke, Oliver hearing your lie via its also simultaneous, retraining training the audience that this is what the dumb sounds like right. So when you buying the ventriloquist effect that your brain is overriding where your ears are telling it with the ventriloquist. King at the dummy, while the dummies talking here is like look everybody. This is where our attention should be focused, because this is who's talking right and then the dummy has its own personality. Those things together there are the magic of ventriloquism. That's what makes ventriloquism work, that's how we come to see, and inanimate objects like a dummy speaking like a whole lerius, Yokul I'm wondering what the deal is with. Why they're not funny

I dont know me, and I think that dummy may have killed like your family dog or something now just block that out. I think I'm a discerning comedy fan, I what the deal is. Is there not there's never been some a great comedian like man, I am a smoking hot comedian. So let me get a dummy up here. It's say it's like prop comedy, I guess, in its most basic form, speaking a prop commie shadow to carry who is still run, he's got his own Vegas residences. Didn't, but don't pay I saw him one day on the street where it lay in Vegas. No don't afford out just walking around, I shouted carried top knows on his mopeds, showed care top and he turned round and sped off course it because he threw a rubber check it out. Guys I shouted care. What could you do this? So I cannot take offense there because I like to consider myself

pretty discerning comedy wise. You are that's why I am shocked that you d sit around and watch this and your legitimate laughing at how funny it is now or never. But I'm impressed with this oh and the ok, the stage craft you're, the inquest then saying it's Very funny, no eyes on owner of another has added focus dummy. Make me laugh. Ok, I guess I seriously now trying to get to the bottom of how you really feel about the the jokes. You know also shade out shout out generate shady raven term. Yet is innovative works shut out too What is it neighbour? Jesse? Oh sure, I finally saw the guys so you ve got him up. He lived up to hi man he's got his hilarious, he's coming to Atlanta and think December again, Moscow younger, ask, aren't I

go backstage, maybe be greatly. Might remember me, let me really cool gimme backstage I'll. Try, we'll both bringer ventriloquist dummies will heck limit with here where we were never so here's the thing ILO puppets in perpetuity. I'm like a kitten in a candy store when it go the stuff, like that of you been to the centre for puppetry. I am a member, oh yeah, we had a tv show permit. Yeah, I love it so there there's, I don't know something happens between puppets comet, and the weird Van diagram that is ventriloquism where I just I can't go. There maybe do not exist nurse in one liners, Henny young men type stuff, because that's what alive focus tells us a lot of is very old school here. They're not like to maybe see something. Little more modern, my gayer Jeff done like an evening with type of comedy. I see you wanna storytelling! What's the guy's name, a cow? What is his name, but this is not making

good Pakistan now, Zita comedian. Oh you want to see me hamburger. Doing we're going to note here. That would be pretty great alibi, astounding ass. He saw him the media that movie a couple years back, I'm sure, is still around our a suicide. How to do good, as this is the stuff there really as a kid. Would sit around in the mere. With that dumb record on practising my bees, S, AMS Peas, these and double use Yes, because you can't really say those letters with your mouth closed, because here when you're talking as eventually Zoo Maskos your teeth are shut. It is just the tip your tongue Moving back and forth. You actually retracted back your mouth near so astounding that just that small handful of letters are the ones that are hard to pronounce? It is, but Look at that other long list, Amene anyone with no training whatsoever,

I will get it from a mere and not move their lips NGO, a CD age the age J K, o n O. You are asked to you, eggs, through your training, paid out The moment your training for iter Bud It comes at those other ones and the one I really remember, was bees and ends. So you swap out DS for bees. Yeah so saying the word boy be? Oh, I say toy right. You know they do. I use a die boy. You, China, Zeilinger yeah, exactly and that's the trick is context when you hear boys and girls, your brain wants to hear boys and Girls- your brain, wants to hear everyone here, boy, you're, wonderful war or that one when the guided Peter Piper picked Rebecca Pickle, Peppers yeah. He didn't a like these, the that are really good at it right. You just can't see

in this the thing you and I are what I should say- I'm not very good at it. I'm not either, but ventriloquist's are, and if this sounds really weird, all you have to do is say: wives seem ventriloquist performed ever noticed in, they would say exactly a year later give yours listening a little bit for peace and tease, says in the repeater. You would say, Teeter Take detective tickled, TAT, tapirs, resounds ridiculous, but the practice practice practice port, you know and even in their documentary. You know some were better than others, even within that movie, so you could see a master, it work like Dan Horn right or the vaguest sky, terrified, Terry failure, and then Horn. I do need to shut out the everyone remarks about his articulation, what they call it, though, just like how you move the puppet. Basically not even the mouth stuff for handwork. Yet how and work in the manipulation is just off the charts share,

whom he really brings it to life. Cruise ship or not yet used the really good, but then you would see someone else like the beauty contest it too. Kimberly. He really wanted to be on the cruise ship morning and she was ok, but you could you now she, you could hear those t sometimes area, and you could hear those bees ordeal for bees. I didn't notice. While I was really the headlines in limited far and I was really picking at a bar guides. I was studying, and I think this is like a magician people go there. What's the magic tat, some people see their and try and figure out what they're doing right. I think some people and they just check out there like this, a bunnies dangling I've ever seen and other people to stare at the lips with their arms crowds, waiting to catch them right. It's a wheel There is actually seem like that and dead silence that horror movie were really a boys like. I could see her lips move in that boy disease eagerly for her,

who is it? That is the lead. Knowing you ve heard of our case, although oh what's Donnie Wahlberg it. What did he plays a car? Almost a hapless cop who kind alternated between like a tough guy in the guy who can give pushed the more easily via a man, is fifty pounds lighter than him. I thought this is an old movies, so this is seen as the seven OK summaries worth seeing. It actually is super scary and a few parts dead silence dead. Silence is so well hokey, but it sure it's a cold. I want to say a cult classic not yet,

Cole favorite, have I bet a few years. It's gonna call all ready to go call following us know of his occult classic. We should re there s visa, just in case people do one of practice. Usher days for bees for F, you use ie h as your substitution M become ends. Like I said, Nothin's. Instead, a muffins tease, like we said, become peas, vs become t h, I d for victory here again sounds ridiculous, coming out of our mouth right, but we're talking like imagine if you played up like an accident or it's a little kid who has like buck teeth or something like that right in its explain. It makes all the tricks of the trade exactly and another trick of the trade is to not use those words. Much right. Right. The certainty I write it so, instead of DE for boy boy, just a kid show, like the Elmer Fund rule

which was more memory, Amr Fog, kids. I keep he. I guess stuttered guess and images abandoned whatever or more trying to say. Oh was the Jura, Porky PIG There is another thing about pointed pig member, Maritime Donald Duck Donald Duck we're sure with no pants right, that's actually called Porky PIG in it a shirt with them. Yeah, but the sum and walking around with just assured, on which I have said: for I know this because I mention in an episode furrows. It's the most horrific look a mayor, diarrhea and somebody wrote in so this actually called Porky PIG in it and, unlike the heads class again, disturbed people do that I mean dislike if you're, getting dressed, layered right but who puts on there before their underwear there's some way out there who choose to orb. I guess lotta people down we're underwear, though you you just figured it out additional. The scene and animal House when Donald Sutherland has on that right. Cardigan sweater, yes, and he goes and gets like a boxes here,

he's a shell Corky piggin sweater cases up any seas, but still serving man. Not a good luck. There is one other thing honest. They re really get technical here, because we ve been Roselli Bob Ventriloquist's when they are safe, they talk in Nay, resonant voice, so it's got a real harm to it, and there's a lot of air involved that they pushed through their nose and their close teeth. At the same time it breathing important, so they get a real, resonant voice here, which is one way that they can projected. They can make it sound like it further away by modulate writer voice area and there's the ventriloquist called certain he won't America's got talent to and he's taken an old school where he goes out like some of the old ventriloquist's to work before dummies did M fools.

Hapless bystanders, any thinking, somebody's crying out from a dumpster right and needs help, or something he's also the guy. I think that was on America's got talent that does a mask on a real human. He got how he Mandela up there and, though, it came out would put a mask on how he Mandela not unknown. How have we Mandela's about germs? I could see him slightly higher persons putting a mask on his face yet with their hands and he was gonna like ok. But then there is either remote control or something behind him where he moves the mouth. So how we Mandela says to sit there right, he does ventriloquist's bit with how we Mandela moving mouth. Has me pretty hilarious. Well, if you I know more about ventriloquism, go practice, go figure it out. You can do it. We know you can and since I said you can do it signed for listening to me

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