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I love that we have a new trend here of starting our animal centric. I guess with impressions ass. You did your what the dolphin, but bad, and I just did a pigeon which has a pretty good pigeon. Well, again, these gloomy away with your New York pigeon Coup, a coup in here and go in here, has gone. I feel ashamed. All we ve got a lot of requests for messenger pigeons air. We have over the years- and you said, I'm gonna heed the call and put together a nice little conglomerate of articles were Another super interesting in L, a bit confusing in terminology, because, as we will soon divulge, I guess we're about to ya like MESSENGER Pit,

since homing pigeon different. Well, no, not really. I had the same, like a lot of it is just so. You re right hunting writing for a visit. You chose the too. There are the same for all. The others are different, humming pigeons and in passenger pigeon pensions, different different carrier, pigeons different, then messenger pigeons, which is very confusing. It's all too confusing woods to the crowd and the Meyer and the mark in get to the differences between taxpayers, because most people do, when you think of a carrier, pigeon chuck, you're, probably lumping together a bunch of different pigeons into the same category and you'll be right in a certain way and that most of the pigeons there we consider carrier pigeons our descended from rock.

And yet we do want to be pigeon lepers no I'll pigeons are different and beautiful in Irma S, right rock pigeon. Originally named so from the rock does, I believe, which the inhabited mountains and sea cliffs and I think that's where they were called rock sure roulette or they love poison, ivy glamour, accidents, hayrack heritage and clear mark now, not quite as glamour. Second, rock clay Gary glitter year- and I think a little older like glamour to me- was seventies. Hair rock was the eighties right kind of vast realisation of glamorous.

Yes, not nearly as goods like the New York dolls would say sure right who were way better than Gary Glitter as it turns out in the end, the Tri oh yeah, she's, forget about that. I back the pigeons. We haven't even started yet there is all descended from rock pigeons kind of like your member thoroughbred horse, our purposes. How can I forget love their own yeah? I didn't like it that much because I was is dense for me was a lot of information there. The difference between thoroughbred horses impedes is that there is not that much information on pigeonholes lineages, despite the fact that some people show em right- and this is where we finally arrive at carrier pigeons- that's right. They are, as this article points out, fancy pigeons here and there Ed church to show their ornamental, I'm very weird ways, yet

what's on their nose. If you look up a true carrier, pigeon you're, going to see a lot of pictures of just homing pigeons Look until you find one that looks like it has a rotten walmart on its nose. It looks like it's packed into a tear Toma in its come out in stock around the diversity yeah, that's called day a wattle, Sir Waddle to two words: waddled dash, Sir see Artie, right, and it is a fleshy thing on the bill and they do say it resembles the texture of a walnut and that's what it starts out as they get big in even more growth looking and is at the top of the villages. When you see one of carrier pigeon with just one of these waters on top of its beak, you like that's, where we're looking, but I've seen birds with that little growth rate there before Europe, as they mature, these waddle start popping up all around their beak, and it's it's just

Jody, like they haven't beneath around says it's grow. It's like a bird. Only of peasant passenger lover fancier would love like they love these things, but most people when they seem like look at that right, yeah and, if you're, showing carrier pigeons like the pigeons like great, amazing Waddle is is something to be shown often displayed its like a point of pride among the show where it or not me, buddy fancier they cover that thing up people by the way who like getting who like us, genes, in r and d showing in raising and in using pigeons for fun, are called pigeon fanciers by the way and said, oh, you did, but added explained I slipped it in you. I wanted to explain here: people probably like what did she say fancier? Who does he think he is because you think he's the king of England no, but the your pigeon is the king of pigeons. According to fanciers was not that pigeons were

imported to the: U S from Europe, in eighteen, sixty and by eighteen. Seventy two. He first racing clubs were formed. Apparently Philadelphia has probably still do you had the largest concentration of fanciers in the late eighteen, hundreds and dumb racing pigeons really big deal still yap it wouldn't. The reason you can raise pigeons is that rock pigeon descendants, whether they be carrier other. I think I think carriers, the least strong of all of em, but especially homing a messenger pigeons there really fast, yes, and they are capable of flying. Their work their way over very long distances, that's right, and then find their way home because they returned in general to their nest the mate. So this is why they return home will get to how, in a bit later,

but how to train or you do that well, how to train them. India, South Mina scientist, figured out that they do. This is pretty remarkable so they fly around forty miles per hour average, but can reaches his sixty Apparently a hundred to three hundred miles is just a walk in the park for these guys earlier and gauss near They have a record. I don't know if it's a documented records, but one thousand nine hundred and eighty six, they verified that a homing pigeon named Charlie, five hundred and fifty miles from the UK to Brazil, and he wasn't even supposed to did not crazy, apparent he was in a race and I guess his nest was in Brazil, originally and he figured out and made his way there to Brazil. Even though he is in a local rate at the time in England, then it is putting it.

Apparently the racing pigeons, and we could do I mean there, there's so much on raising pigeons it when I'm gonna get you cipher mentioning it, but the racing homer is the specific type of pigeon that his bread to race, because the homer is the fastest, which is ironic if you're Simpsons Van earlier it's not a fat guy, you know is really enough. So homey pigeons are our bread specifically to find their way home. I mean they're good at it anyway. What I said here, but they selectively breed these things. If you're gonna be a fancy her to do so, and when you When you read seeing a hoeing pigeon or something like that. Basically, what you're doing is you're taking it to a place away from his home yeah, smack it on the head well tiny hammer so wake up yet and no don't do that. No pigeon! If you were just getting don't do that and then,

release it and it will find its way back home and you really sit at the same time, some other ones in which everyone finds its way. Home first is the winner. That's racing pigeons but, as you said, homing pigeons are really good at finding their way home. Naturally, yes, but over time they ve been selectively read by humans to be the best of the best. At this right, Compared to their wild ancestors, they may come look like a poop yeah dislike your basic rock pigeon so. Let's talk a little bit about the different theories on how they find their way home. There's some new findings, and what they generally think now, as it could be a combination of these things more light. They can everybody wins hypothesis yeah. Basically, so the sun could be one way that they find their direction interested General North, South EAST West, sort of way

when its cloudy. The earth's magnetic field is basically to different things, going at work here, there's a compass threat and then there's the map right up, as is just your sword like decisive, general header and the map is actually like, where am I now in order? I need to be. Yeah well, I'm back in New York among fifty seventh street and I need to get down to the lower side yet, but the compass part is like that I'm right now facing north sure, which means I need to turn around a little bit and go until I'm facing east. That's right and using my map, I figure this out yet this one daddy. I didn't follow up on the one from Oxford. That said, they actually follow establish roads at some point, and you know that Look into that anymore, nine and see that I wonder if that was just like a speculation then overturned or, if they really to be a father like I twenty so the that we didn't run into that anywhere else. Yeah makes me think, like has probably been abandoned, yeah. It seemed that from what I can understand, that

two main competing long standing competing explanations were, like you say, the following: economic lines in the earth's magnetic sphere or their following, else, tiny odor molecules that they used to basically as a trail of bread crumbs to lead them back toward their roots to their nests right and for a long time this was there was debated whether this was the case or not the fact that they have such good compasses, really lens allotted credibility to the idea that they can follow magnetic lines. You can use those two to orient themselves and there's actually this anecdote from the early eighties. That really lends a lot of support to the magnetic theory. Yeah net is, there is one pigeon. There was caught around a lake in Yellowstone outright and by car I mean like it was seen, for. I think, a few weeks like just fine in circles around,

This wake here, which is not what the humming pigeons was to do. No, they fly street and purposeful toward home sure wherever they are yet so this this naturalist, apparently where'd you find article I'm not sure which one this was an alibi society was one in. What will I mean? We ve got him on posted on our website. Right, yeah, ok, so wanted this naturalist who wrote this article. There were talking about gotta hold this pigeon and he took it and cared for it, and took it away from the lake, and released it in the thing flew due east and it was a North Carolina pigeon and it was no sun. So he said you know what this lake area has a really weird made. A magnetic field is known for making compasses go. Haywire right said this lends a pretty decent amount of support to the magnetic line. Theory, you agreed, but it's been overturned recently Ellis diminished,

as far as some the smell theory right well, I don't know about overturned. I think again, it's like everyone words. I think, from what I ended up with. Was it they use all of these things when its most beneficial like go use, one of its. I give them, Netteke field is not a strong, the I'll go to one of their other trying drew methods like smell yeah. Now is another one and then recently sound specifically infra sound, which are sound waves, super low frequency that we can hear them. Others, a GEO physicists named John Hagstrom that cooked up this idea, and published in the Journal of experimental biology, and he said basically he thinks that they hear their way home, which you know I said, yeah. Apparently the sum that pigeon back in the early eighties, that was around Yellowstone that lake in you and that was having a hard time that for

his collar release site bias. Yet in some places in the world, if you really- the homing, pigeon they're gonna, have a hard time finding there home or a second end of getting stuck flying around in circles and its generally unexplained, which led to this whole sub, feel the study of homing pigeon maps and how they do this stuff and this sub sonic sound theory, basically says that they follow basically sound maps. Yes, sort of like echolocation is what it sounded like to me with that give but they're just a hearing there, not like creating Ryan and in listening for the ecologists, listening out for the sound yet, but there almost listening out for sound much the same way that they would follow, say odorant molecules like a trail of bread, crumbs right there listening for familiar sub Sonic sounds yes, lowest point zero five! It's like you said he basically credo of sound map and he basically competitive

the same thing that we see when we look out with our eyeballs at something yeah, but they can hear it right they would like see their how the way we see our home when were driving like up to it yeah they hear their home and they know which way to go towards it. If you could see what I hear, you ever seen a movie, no fears that a lighter movie could a ban. If there was lifetime back then Rosa Eighties movie. This did the began to put the beast master. He played a very famous blind man who was a piano player and was called if you could see what I hear. So I think blind people you sound in similar ways. Was a fine time the year the seven was around now. I can't remember you sort of like a piano player, playboy type. I just remember seeing on cable when I was a kid in the mark. Singer was the Gaia black humour, the real guy, but he was a real

Did you see or hear about the lifetime movie, their Christian Wigan Welfare or made earlier and no one can figure out if it was like a piece of committee genius for us. If they were like Syria, Well, now I figured it out. I mean they basically went to make the movie and settlers just do this as straight up as we can, but because it's us little just have the edge it. You know, like will fairly serious, is where the funny things in the world. So I was committed genius well yeah, because its them hooker, but they weren't, like. Let's try make this They decide. Let's do this straight as possible. I didn't know if they both of em happened heavily for family member who needed surgery at the same time, so they like designers,

Why? It's pretty weird? Have you seen it yeah yeah? I saw at its. It is tough because they are hysterical, but it's so straight. It's like I dont know how to register. This is like, like the room or something like that. Well, while thou seest bad movie, they ended up being hysterical This is in much the same. I gotta see this what the rumour that now that the one big ass in both without seeing the room, what's the yeah? What's the light I move you want, I can remember I guess: if you search will fairer their lifetime movie it up. It has a lot of weird things. He did that spanish language movie and he did that. The many series he D take chances for him is in a position to do so. So I feel like this. Good time to take a break, don't you guess and re gather ourselves? Yes, let's see that now.

here's, the thing. Money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball because there's always that guy who joined your game He never passes the rock he constantly bricks theories and who completely You and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul with Geico, it's easy to switch, Save on car insurance known he d ankle sprain because you're absolutely exhausted, so which, in save with back it's almost better than sports, so we covered base how they find their way home and competing theories, and I think the eldest lived together in one big, happy family because haven't dispelled your theories yet the peasants.

City they like any other, but I'll think anyone has disproven anything. So at this point I think they're taking all comers flowers. This theories yeah so- and this is not specific to- is its specific- the humming pigeons, although I would include messenger pigeons, wouldn't it because hand carry pigeons. Does it, but not passenger pigeon. Ok, so are all dead. Then the only difference between aim, messenger, pigeon and homing pigeon is that a messenger in has something either to bind his leg or little backpack figure things a message. I think the back back as the new method here and they used to do the tube on the leg. I think the back back his wake utopia, adorable learning, backpacking kid what I can figure out as a difference between a messenger pigeon and a carrier pigeon, ok, here's a carrier, pigeon is not bread for flying its, not Redford's. Homing abilities is not bread, the race

I guess not registered its basically the pekinese of pigeon. Ok, I gotta undertaking Irma had gotcha so carriers confusing because their night and they are not actually carrying anything. No, that is wise, so confusing area the, all of them. They should not have. The word carrier test should be like virtually useless pigeon affordable water will be right at the new neighbour carrier behind its edge and hammer to talk about it. Now, that's homing pits about it so carrier prisoners are for show gotcha through the best show of pit. So the homing pigeon is the one who carries a message. Generally, it's written on little tiny pieces of thin. That's the messenger pigeon we as a homing pigeon. That is carrying a message exactly yeah. That's where we're ok, but I'm a canker confusing. I'm sorry to correct your mind, be prudent. Now I think I just said message: abridging dinner, I don't remember the through

listen? At any rate, the messenger pigeon is a humming pigeon. That carries a message right and they have been around for a long time, Egypt, the Venetians Romans, nowhere near never in the Bible. Yet he was the first dude throttle crow others, doves but apparently I ran across a common. I, the dove Pigeon were interchangeable back then I really back old timey aromatic days during polemics answer here. In ancient Rome, Nigeria raises the did not like a cheery raise in a stadium, but like a long cheerier raise over distance, they would say the passenger, but I'm sorry, I'm a ago the messenger pigeons bag with the news of who one here right attach. You know, Brutus one, this

go tell them everybody yeah guess an hour later, they would get there and everyone would be too drunk to realise that they cared at that point. I guess, can use them. He had like a whole system said oh yeah! Well, you really talk about him. Have we do have the renewed episode on that? We do here About whether I killed the like a million people, someone, why can't I episode anywhere, I'm pretty sure, recovered at I fellow greeted cherries nodding s, resolution sleep in the most of it every year so again, this kind of the whole system across Asia and Europe like a relay system, pretty impressive. What else Germans use them actually tat slow camp? through their bellies, those were one yeah. So the modern use of messenger pigeons and warfare. Step was actually seems to be started by the FAO

yet and went all the way up through the Vietnam WAR yeah. So there is a like the french Using messenger pay. In a war like setting right yes- and there is the siege of Paris depressions were attacking Paris in Paris was finally save their reinforcements thanks to a group of carrier pigeons or messenger pigeons, who got word that Paris was being was under siege and they needed help and help arrived and Paris was saved his eyes Few times impressions were defeated and the pigeon with so beloved, as a result that same guy, who created the statue of liberty, also created a tribute to pigeons, there was that stood in Paris up until war boy, world war, two when they melted it down, they needed them I think so I really so by the time we were one. Roll around pigeons were very much establish

as a very useful means of communication, when all else failed in more yet, apparently there so fast at their hard to shoot down, yeah and they get where they want to go in the case in France and had you pronounce it, and they are in my mind, the mark. The battle, modern. There are seventy two pigeon laughs and as they advance for they took the loft with them a lot of the pigeons that were out carrying messages we're out when they move the law were out when they move the loss and we're still able to find their loss blind, not knowing where the Offs ended up amazing, go pigeons there was there? Are laws passed during wartime this one regulation twenty one, a shooting, homing pigeons, killing, wounding or molesting gross humming pigeons, is

people on the defence of the realm regulations by six months imprisonment or one hundred pound. Fine. That's that's! Just a fine in France, you could be executed for impeding messenger Pigeon, a wartime pigeon yet and there are also rewards offered five found- rewards for any. You know if you turn in your your friend for shooting a homepage and get five pounds, five pounds exactly those big big deal. They were dogs, apparently too, and pigeons were used heavily in wartime to carry messages very reliably near three. Tell the story show me: how can we not? I don't see how he could.

So I'm living out here because it share her hair in world war. Wine. You mentioned that the Germans were using passenger or messenger pigeons. Yes, with cameras threat to their value for aerial reconnaissance right, it's like the bats, with bombs kind of, but is more photography, Rodin incendiary destruction yes, but with the French were using this four messages for giving them from the front. You know few, behind the lines at the h q right now. And so are the Americans to apparently them the french use, like thirty thousand other men were war. One Americans had something like six hundred, but One really came through for New York company at the. Battle of the argon was October, nineteen eighteen toward the end of the war, and they trapped by the Germans. So this is a pigeon insurer me was released by. I think it was New York Company right wing.

Was surrounded in a little low lying. I'm thinking, Cholera Valley. I think that the author of this New York Times article that we're getting this from called it like a depression in the ground and there's a few hundred men who were there, it started out as five hundred were certainly get whittled down, as they were, surrounded by Germans, yet even worse than that. The American reinforcements had no idea where this this New York company was yet they were. They were shelling I'm too, because they thought that they were showing the Germans they were surrounding near company. They had no idea, they were showing near companies. Well, so Apparently they release the lot of pigeons in a lot of pigeons got shot, which means that there are some german sharpshooters there. Really good is. It is tough, like you said, to shoot at home in particular, they are fair or their de shooting a lot of bullets into the air. Yes, you know released one one of their last once share me and Sarah me flew in fluent, took off and got hit at least one

you had a quarter size hole in his breast, It shot his way, Gough shot the leg that have to be. Message saying where this New York company was attached to that leg, you got shot off, but it also got lodged into the hall in share my chest in the bird flew back to its roost, like that, you gave the coordinates, I like to think that, is he chirped them out, even they forget. The message saluting Milo me believe in love. And a hundred ninety four men were saved and Cheramie was awarded the Qua deal with palm with palm. You know one without bombed. Nowhere at half the award, died, and nineteen nineteen from the woman's but man what a great story.

Now is on display, I'm not sure exactly where. But you can find pictures, Elam stuffed with just one leg and the other leg, with the tubes till it has been preserved as well, really that's, probably at the pigeon. Why word museum, probably in the Providence, Rhode Island in check? I have to say I'm. I read this one article two about his call hawks and dogs, and it was about the irony of using rock pigeons which are related to doves in some ways or used to be called doves. As of like a wartime symbol, really kisser, very peaceful birds, interest, its honour It's on the page for this episode. Well, I think it's time for another little respite and then we'll come back and talk about the very sad story of the passenger pigeon made for that,

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and then you have lots of neighbours that you play with here. All ten episodes of finding Fred on the eye, heart, radio, app apple pie casts or wherever you listen. I just we talked about rock pigeons, which include humming pigeons carrier pigeons. Messenger pigeons same thing is a home in prison, but there is something called a passenger pigeon, which is not any of those things, and it is not anymore, no use to be. Sadly, I mean it's a thing as far as past tense goes yes for them, to be a ton of their native north american bird. There one and a half times the size of the morning of Europe. They looked a lot like em and, like I said they were all

some say they made up forty percent of the north american bird population, forty percent. Yet it's the thought, and they like to hang out together, they have the largest documented flock on record in. What's come in eighteen, seventy one, the estimated a hundred and six million breeding passenger pigeons over eight hundred and fifty square miles of forest yeah that was was concentrated supposedly another flock in eighteen, sixty that three point: seven billion flying over Ontario. They supposedly blacked out the sky yeah, and these are credible witnesses who are writing about these things back in the early nineteenth century like James Audubon, who number one newest birds that little bit knew what he was talking about. You and I was a credible scientists and he wrote about ride from I think, Lexington to Louisville in Kentucky Year in eighteen thirteen

talked about how long the way the sun was blotted out and the sky from horizon the horizon was filled with thumb passenger pigeon Easy easy that of the opium and this This wasn't like a thing where happen, and you know that flew overhead. Now is amazing. This went on for the whole three days journey from Lexington to Louisville yeah. The who three days, the sun was blotted out by one single flock of passenger pigeon flying overhead. The same flock amazing, like you just don't see that they say Well, now you definitely don't see that these days because, like we said they are completely extinct at this point and are you said along a great article called one Hunter years after her death Martha the last passenger pigeon still resonates What happened was a couple of things. One there were hunted relentlessly for me

of amounts of food. Oh yeah, when those flax fibre head unique its close your eyes and start shooting up in the air in all tons of passenger pigeon, you're gonna fall around you yes like. If you had something that big out of existence, then you're doing a lot of doing so is that combined with the deforestation of the EAST coast, they think both things led to the complete extinction yet because they fed on Mass, which won my favorite words. TAT year masses. I got the description of like hardwood forest nuts like acorns, and chestnuts in hickorynut system

that combine. Those things are called mass right and I think they fit together as well. Right, yes, working groups right, so if you start to build roads, sir, you build like the world first subdivision in eighteen fifteen or something like that, and you cut down a bunch of this forest. You fracture this eight hundred and fifty square Mile Ruth this next year and you have a big problem if you're a passenger pigeon, so that combined with over predation by humans led to their extinction to think about the check in the eighteen. Seventy there are billions of these things billions in nineteen fourteen, the last wine died. So in like thirty forty years, they were from billions to extinct. Yeah like that, yes, and that was Martha a reference in the article she was born in the captive any. They believe that your cargoes Brookfield Zoo and then donated later to the Cincinnati Cincinnatus Zoo and they believe

Nineteen hundred that there were these three populations were all that was left in the last one. Ever seen in the wild was in eighteen, ninety nine, so they eventually die. And die down, Martha, sadly ended up like trembling, a cage, because people would throw sand at her to wake her up and like have her move, so they eventually had to. You know why add up and am Richter inference if these sad so they died out completely she's on this way at this Macedonia and until October, the October this year, which is which is a word chuck or big lesson to mankind on what can happen. If you hunt Dumont, and if you feel too many parking lot for you know, this is a big discussion over the passenger pigeon entering it back. One of my personal heroes, Tracy Man, is caught in the center of this policy.

Yes, he did not know that. So you know he wrote one of my favorite books. Fourteen ninety one. We then in fourteen ninety one he talks about, there's, there's a school of thought about the passenger pigeon that arm they were actually they. Their populations exploded just prior to european settlement of North America. But after that, first colombian contact. And the idea is that if you go and look around a bunch of like native american sites, Pre Colombia native American sites, you don't find that many passenger pigeon votes there, some there, yes, but there's not a lot and are certainly not enough to suggest that there are billions of these things at the time. So this idea is that after colombian contact and disease. In violence, wiped out and spread through North America. I doubt large, like ninety percent of the native Americans living there, the passenger pigeon was no longer,

preyed upon by the native Americans, and so their population boomed yet so in a way all these white settlers, two hundred this thing into extinction or kind off the hook because it was therefore anyway that led to this boom and population. Well, where other scholars says like now, you're ignoring about a site is probably not the case. Why Europe's sailors of North America, probably did destroy to extinction. Eight perennially large population of birds and in North America, the color, what a cautionary tale? Oh yeah, sounds familiar further before so there are some naturalists and scientists, the biologists now that they think they can bring back the passenger pigeon, but should we

but should we and there's a bunch of schools of thought other some conservation and say why if we start bringing back extinct species, maybe we won't protect the ones at her near extinction, cause people? You know, as I guess, robustly, because people say we can bring him back anyway. I don't know about that. Well, I mean what's upon those who think about it like what what is the matter to the passenger pigeon, it doesn't know right. Well, the m in there are none were that's the point yet there are a lot of people say. Leave it be. That's one thing, but also, if you bring back in a passenger pigeon. You are bringing back something whose heritage has been interrupted, yeah and therefore, all of that that collective ray that passed down from one generation to the next has ended. Already right now so who's going to teach that passenger pigeon. How do we,

Passenger pigeon, it may not know it may be a monster, a monster. It may kill entire families of people. Well, thank God. We have others, tiny pigeon him. See if there's a lot of schools of thought, bring it back. It wouldn't know what to do or it might just pick up, then be fine. Who knows are so we ve talked about. We ve covered passenger pigeon, so the sad extinction of the passenger pigeon. All those other pigeons talked about cameras on their bellies messages on back backs and feet does homing messenger pigeons. Yes, I'm covering going back over everything here we ve covered. I don't even think we mention drug traffickers supposedly now in Afghanistan and Pakistan carry in grams of heroin each each and they ve been used.

People been misusing it and using and abusing these birds for millennia, supposedly the average messenger pigeon can carry out the two and a half ounces of something if its bounds correctly on its backpack word tuna answers? It's a lot. So these these things are being treated like royalty folly. If the carriers ten grams, a harrowing yeah, does nothing. When they show up this frequently just nine grams. You don't owe me so this city pigeons. Does your average pigeon that everyone seems to the test, not everyone. Some people love these things here in feed them in France in Paris. I believe it's illegal to feed them because Europe, you gotTA, Trafalgar Square and other places like that and they can peace so

vast, but you can't even walk so when you feed him, they congregate right and so that the problem here about lot it no one implicitly were everywhere the dirty they spread disease. It's all very true, yes, and there have been some cases, other legal cases in lawsuits, because the pigeons those wanted ants where there was an american woman there, feeding, like twenty five pounds of feed a day, and it was already a think outlawed impair. Yes, she had been fined nineteen times in these, so I guess you like with like our good appearance, then I can see the visions, Cecily Creepy, pigeon, feeding, lady from May Poppins member. Her now feed the birds tap into backed up Member states are now reads hours like five. A lot of them of use, creepy noticed creepy as Chile should be banned All of that which is like one of the most disturbing Children's movies like this, the bad guy is one of this.

While their guys over here he was pretty scary. You have here and by the wake gone with, the wind was color not cholera is yet again. We give that one. What was colorized never was color well said: Turner Color, I some things, but that wasn't one of them right. But what was one of a planet? Now we can go back and look, it's looked funny. That's all I remember is probably citizen. Kane will hear about Anita and what the citizen So this French? I'm sorry this american woman feeding on these french pigeons, other ladys and apartments, she's ticked off Khazars always pigeons everywhere she gets up. She tries to kick these things. Should here stockings and scratches her limbs upper legs up apparently and take this lady to court and they threw out

AIDS or they lost the case. Because the judge basically said you don't know how to kick a pigeon without getting hurt. That's your fault, certainly not the american way. These far weren t other lawsuit. Oh, there is again in France, the French like this people for pigeon related stuff there, though a woman who is living in an apartment in a building couple floors above store furniture store and she would feed pigeons. Apparently, the pigeon pupils bad that the the store owner was saying. I was driving customers away like all over the window, narrow window like on the ground and on the door neighbor, whatever azure heaping people from coming to a store. So he sued the the woman. But the woman's lawyer apparently demonstrated that the store owner couldn't prove that the mass came from the pigeons that this lady was feeding could have been any pigeon

yeah, that's it I see. Well, I guess we could finish here with farm a couple of instructions what to do. If you find a home in vision, here. I have to say my favorite pigeon hours, the homing pigeon yeah, I think they're great they don't they. They sure. Ok message. If you want and there'll be a messenger vision, but at heart this homing pigeon wanna go home or hang out do my heroin so here's the here's, some advice on what to do find a stranded. Homing pigeon number one give it water, that's the number one thing yeah, I dont forced me, water like I did when I Gilbert Bird. No, no did you know to drown it. But in a dish like a one in a deep, this and over water, like your yard, you could just

the pigeon to my yard and lighted drink from my long, so, let's drink on its own and a one inch deep container offered some food, so you hungry yen and you might say I have pigeon food. Yes, you do. If you have raised I'm pop pop corn, what else? But wheat barley, canary seed, any that stuff say you hungry, you thirsty how you doing and then again just put the stuff out for the pigeon. To enjoy an choose on his or her own. That's right, whether he or she wants to do this next thing you do. You say I hesitated to reign for you. You feel good stuff. If head sir, that's really all of them. Maybe it's warm and upload shrilly worn down, yet I think they tend to prefer slightly ear and the cooler side of temperate yeah and then they also like to be able to see. But you want to keep him in a place that safe away from like dogs and cats

but also in like a box or something so a box of the screen over it. I dont can all with the candle door closure something like that here and it with out maybe some straw a blanket something there. It can just hang around in again some seed in some water and what you just is willing to data after a day or two. You say I feel, and are you rest it are you comfortable enough very soon for you to go home, and then you just get your tangle hammer out. Don't make me use this. You do. Release the humming vision and that all dude or lady should find his or her way home like you can bet on it and say: hey thanks for the state. That was great, though that's what the pigeon would say to you. Yet if the peasant says that to you, you go catch it again and make some money off his most pigeons can't do that like Michigan J Bullfrog, so

with them again, humming pigeons or my favorite, and if you find winning it decides not to leave you, you have yourself a humming pigeon, his pet you can also biomass you're into homing pigeons and raise them yourself when you who you can train them to do all sorts of need stuff, but mostly you can train under race and fly very long distances and there's a really neat tried and true technique for training, homing pigeons and its basically I'll just food based yeah, so they have their nests like training any they have their home base now and where they stay, they spend most of the time this where they eat and you can take them elsewhere. Hundreds of miles away if you like, but they they say you should start off it's like twenty miles time or something like that. And create like another roost somewhere at a friends house or in a all that you have permission to use their dinner, make sure you have permission to use the field.

You, create a roost end. You set up food there to let the pigeon hang out spend some time there. If you want the pigeon to go back home, How will we all you have to do is released from the same reasonable Wanna go back home, but a sure fire way of doing that is to remove its food right in that? Second, second, Ruth don't mean any while it'll be like, I want some food. I'm gonna fly home, unifies how many gifts Edith food here and you with any pigeon route, a homing prisoners has a trap door that the pigeon can get into, but it get back out there unless you let it out, but they can so they can come home again. And whenever they want so they always have food If you want to go into the second Ruth Point B, you just take there, way home and say, I know another place, your food fly to it now, once you get their down a few times, you can keep moving that roost further further they're gonna find it yet and if you I say, tell a friend that if they hide hang out at a second Russo, get a special message.

We can attach Niccolo backpack to your homepage, differ and release it and it'll delight your friend with whatever message he said. This is something I could actually see doing in, like retirement or water did you see that list, the famous people who love pigeons raise pigeons now but I know my Thyssen's one of em apparently he's following a big tradition of boxers who raise pitches. George foreman, marvellous, Marvin, hackler boxers erased pigeons to all these people on this list. Yeah Chacha from much Jeanne charge. You grace pigeons Charles and George, Terry Bradshaw, Elvis Presley, whose is that king, Charles Darwin Barney, apparently from from its a series of big purple dinosaur and sets mystery. This seems a little. Views that I just Barney raise pigeons Lee Marvin, you know we should do is pick out the least likely person to be a vision. I easier to set it

holy Marvin. Perhaps you might be right, effectually, you know other than I would like to see the burmese vulgar trails. Again. There was a great movie Jimmy Smet's, though it has been doing me. I guess her. Some of these makes sense like Paul Newman and join with It seems like a totally thing that they would have done together. There is a riveting moment at the end of the pigeons episode where Chalk and Josh just there quietly your Brenner on MIKE Tony Curtis. I think these moments least likely you. Thank you. Thank you. Do anything else No, I don't think I do well Now that you can tell the difference between a homing pigeon, a messenger pigeon, a carrier pigeon and a passenger pigeon, you should feel pretty good about yourself and if you need to brush up on this confusing stuff, you can type the word pigeon into the search bar howstuffworks dot com and it will bring up

knows what the trade, since they said. Who knows why Pfeiffer Listen amount this is like others. Kepler planet follow up a guy one aspect of Kepler planets. You did not mention we can only in are other planets if their orbital plane is aligned with our view of it. If it starts, planet system is off tilt with respect to us, we won't be able to infer its existence yet considered the north star, it's kind of perpendicular Geneva, offered it's kind of permanent to the solar system. Well, not really, because enough. Polaris Polaris had a planet with intelligent life of Kepler like technology, because you, our son, but they wouldn't detect any light variations. Consider how many plans we found now consider how many we can't possibly find timid current technology. My final because of the killed I mean say that supposedly member forty billion earth, like plan

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