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It was around, as a word in the eighties makes me even more surprised that there is not a movie called back in it that, like the protagonists, has to put on a car wash to save their business or something like that. I wasn't. What did he do while he would just be the star batch in it? The man tonight. I guess so there can be any more charming than he is pretty german speaking of charming chuck. Let me introduce you to a wonderful little beast named cattle colossus. North Robbie are you? Are you familiar sure, so? Cattle calot us is named after the as tech flying serpent, God, quite so glottal, yet right so make sense. But this guy was a real thing

not to put down the Aztecs beliefs or anything like that. But this is a verifiable beast at one point, particularly in the late cretaceous period, and it's what you would probably call a pterodactyl, but if you call it a pterodactyl you'd be dead wrong power, the air, what it really is a terrorist sore and there's a lot of misunderstandings that we're going to sort to. But the most important point is that this beast right here is twenty feet tall. This taulas giraffe and add a wingspan akin to about it s sixteen fighter jet, and it was a bad Mammy JAMA,

there is therefore a leader, that's good. I like it. I didn't even use the way back machine to trim the fat guy. Oh you need that open keeping anymore. I we just use. Our imaginations were not actually in the cretaceous period like we would be if we had used the Wayback Machines Elk YO. These terror starts the p, of course, a silent p, that is from Greek, meaning, winged lizards and that's pretty on point because they were reptiles. They were not dynasts hours. Yes, big big distinction here, we're closed It's like a sister but to a dinosaur, perhaps there from the same Claudia, which is Arcas source, but it's a really wide cloudy and all that means is that they have in the very remote pass some single common ancestor with dinosaur yeah they were They were around roughly the same time period indefinitely

went away this in the same fashion. So it's it's normal. I think for people to say, look at that. Pterodactyl look at that flying dinosaur, even though neither one of those is necessarily correct, yeah, so just to get this across one more time: terrorists, yours or not flying dinosaurs. They were flying reptiles and then they weren't dinosaurs, they weren't birds either and confuse things even further. There were birds around at the time of the dinosaurs and the time of the terrorists, oars and confuse things even further. There were such things as actual flying dinosaurs. We call him velociraptors right in these vertebrates, we were, were flying long before birds and bats by like mill,

and and millions of years yeah. I think this has suffered article, as is a good one. I gotta give big up sick Clint, Humphrey yeah, pretty good deposit yea sounds like an action how's. It works. Writer Humphrey just be frock. But he said I think eighty million years difference eighty million years before giving a third as a lotta years. It is so there's a lot of like confusing stuff flying around and I think there is one other thing we should probably addressed. What are the gate? Is there? You, you shouldn't column pterodactyls, even though a lot of people do tarried actors are actually specific genus of terror source so to call all territory. Terror dactyls would be incorrect, but you could call all tarried axles territory, ok, yeah and internally, like if you had seen this this thing in

he's a lot that they say, that's a tear it act or were you probably been looking at this whole time? Is one of the species in there? You know, potentially up to two hundred of these species are right. Now, I think, of a dinner fight about a hundred hundred thirty issue. But a terror attacks, Tara, no down thy eat it. I ran down. That's what I would like. There are no down there probably what you ve been seeing in movies all this time that you ve been saying: that's a terror doktor like if he, if you look up an image search of the Toronto, Don you'll say that that's a tear doctoral cause. I saw it in Cancun, yeah. It's like this giant wing, beast of kind of short stubby legs and a huge wingspan,

like a weird crest on its head, no long, pointy, big, a pterodactyle rhinos. What a terror dactyls don't be. An idiot yea sewing King Kong, nineteen, thirty three, so the same thing in Jurassic Park. Three and two thousand one right things hadn't changed all at much, but in that time span to actually kind of surprising because our understanding of terror, Sars has increased dramatically, and yet we were still just basically thinking of them. We simply as tarried actual, which isn't the case. Yellows appealing intelligence, name, o C Marsh, who are pretty good name, poorer, paleontologist sure he collected these first fossils and what is now and was then western, Kansas and the late eighteen hundred like eighteen, seventy and they ve been well. I was about to say they been digging up.

Lots of these incidents. Then they sort of have, but not nearly as many as other types of fossils, because these fossils are really highly breakup, and dissolve a bull in their their tough to get a hold of and keeping when peace throughout the process yeah. We should. We should talk about that. Like one of the reasons there is so little understanding of territory because they dont fossilized very well now, because their bones were not designed to be fossilized, they were designed to allow these giant reptiles to fly. Yet they didn't say like oh, we needed be designed to leave our mark later. Now is that we want to fly right exactly so early on and think the first tear it on earth it first terrorists are,

specimen was found in the late eighty sentry in Germany and by the time, o c Mars was digging up a hundred years later in Kansas, they they'd been discovered, but they also just kind of been abandoned, because there were very few follow up fossils that were identified right yet so and oh see, Marster did to dig him up. This is a big deal and because he was finding virtually all of the same species, these Turandot on doubt became the common conception of the the that what the terrorists are is, but it was coupled with an earlier name, tarried actual that had been given to the entire species or the entire group by George Cuvier think one thousand eight hundred and twelve yeah that first fossil you're talking about no one knows don't get credit for that for digging that thing up but, like you said it was in Germany and ITALY

in limestone like a hundred and fifty million euro limestone late in the eighteenth century. That eventually found its way to a man with a great name. Cosimo Alessandra Carlini, it's a great man when I first came across the citizens are alive, I am looking forward to hearing Chuck say that guy's name, that's him! He was italian go figure and he was a natural scientist in it. Like many others to follow for long I didn't really know what it was since since Heath they found that in an ancient lagoon with all kinds of seafaring creatures, he understandably thought it was a seafaring creature, yeah and some of the best perverse preserve fossils that we have of these things are found in things like lagoons. Where something happened to them. They died suddenly quickly, fellow, to get a like. A body of water which probably broke their fall a little bit

landed at the muck, then were covered up. Potentially in some anaerobic in an anaerobic state and and eventually became fossilized very gently. That's what it takes two to fossilized attend. So yeah Cuvier, who and I got it all wrong by calling it a pterodactyl for everyone in the future. He was actually the same. Do, though, who did say? Actually, I think those are wings, not paddles right, and that was you know the big through you and the reason I call them tarried act. Does it means a wing finger in the Greek right, so terrorists are means winged, lizard and tear it act or means wing finger because, as will see, the the fry edge of the wing, the leading edge the wing is actually in extraordinarily long, pinky yeah, that's good way to put it and thinks so too. That's a good way to lead to a break to don't you think agreed let's go

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ok, we're back. I feel, like we kind of jumbled things up like a bunch of terrorists. Are bones sure, so, let's reset here, shall we should we reset with that? The head lets the head crests. If you see a movie like Jurassic Park, and you saw what you thought was a territorial and that any had that beautiful looking he or she well, maybe maybe he is now. They think that maybe only the males yeah they said ass. These things were a sort of one of the staples of of many, if not all, of these species, but they were all really different and some fantastic, looking and they're, not exactly sure, you're still a debate over what they use these big crest for yeah. They thought maybe they use them as a rudder in the air to steer with

Maybe they're lying around it does make sense. Some people thought that they may be used him as a marine rudder. Maybe these for defence cause they work made of a horn and bone everyone's skin and they think possibly the head. Coloring too. Maybe they had feathers, light fur they're, not quite sure, but because there's two such a lack of understanding and because terrorists are fossils, are so few far between it still bay clay, anybody's guess what their use for. But then I think in Germany, no not exactly certain when this was discovered, but a female terrorists are was discovered, a and it had a urge, I should say she had an egg in her still so it was the only terrorists are to ever be positively identified by sex in the history of the world.

And she lacked that head crest, so really lend support to the idea that it was males only kind of like how a peacock has the very bright feathers and the p hand does not. They think that maybe it's the same thing or more akin to like- loose in deer or moose. Their males are the ones that have the antlers and they think they use it. Maybe a little bit for defense, but mostly to say, hey, I'm a dude and I'm looking for some action check out the size of my antlers. They think it was probably the same attire song, yeah, and these things like it's amazing when you look at these pictures, some of them are just really fantastically colored summer, really big, like that top a horror imperative for yeah, if you look up one terrorists, are during this episode, make it this guy yeah. This is called. The thing looks like it. Literally, has a sailboat sail on top of its head, its end, like it

The coloring is any where remotely like what the artist conceptions are. It just must have been something to see. Yet Nick Disorders is pretty interesting to this. This one didn't seem to have any sort of a they look like a sail without the sale like what he called the frame of the sale, I'm sure there's some great name for it: the the timber the timber sure, but these I mean it's- they they like it. In this article, the pump does to television Antony, and they were a really big and look only clunky to me. Yet I mean it be good for securing, I guess, but it could also be terrible for skewing like if you were hunting or spearing fish with it. You could probably catch a lot of fish, but you can get the fish off cause. It's there. Just these antenna,

Just wait too tall and long yet in this terror dust row is really army should look that one or two. It's pretty amazing. This one looks like it. This looks like if a dinosaur made with a politician and a toothbrush. I saw one some described as a toothbrush with wings, yet like the lower jaw, has like a thousand really law small needle, like teeth, and it looks like this big toothbrush under Bite Yang, does like when you did you like? Oh it's clearly, to be related to a pelican and again, it's not pelicans burn birds were around during the time of dinosaurs and if birds or anything there actually the real flying dinosaurs, but it does look a lot like it and it it makes since that it would because from what were learning about terrorism is now these days. Is that allow?

of them were oceangoing that they had the goods to fly across an entire ocean over the course of a few days, like maybe an albatross wood, and that would fly low, some of them and skim the surface of these ancient oceans in on earth and scooped up marine life with their with their jaws, with their lower jaw to slink pelican would so. But even more interesting about that. Besides the idea that this is going on a hundred million years ago is that public these are not related to these things, so that this this trait this behaviour, this characteristic devolve more than one time. You know I'm saying

yeah? I find that fascinating, rather than saying. Oh pelicans descended from that. Actually they didn't that's just two different branches of the same tree, developing into something very similar abolition in isolation and that when the color yeah or no now, I'm very convergent evolution toga. I think yes, it is his conversion. Evolution when, like a trader behaviour characteristic develops separately among different branches of the tree rather than developing once and then descendants all have same trade yeah, and although they did certainly love a good seafood meal, they used to think I was sort of all they ate

and now new research suggests that they do eat or did eat all kinds of things, even tiny dinosaurs. The other way, the third they diskiver. Now that it's just like birds right, you got birds that he also it's a different things that fill all sorts of different, a logical niches. That's what they're coming too to the conclusion about what resource which dummy chucked is like a huge sea change from what it was even back in the nineteen fifty or sixty or seventy. We thought there are just a few species and it turns out there were a tunnel. Different ones and a lot of variety in the light of diversity and now we're starting new kind of get a handle on that year. They think they were probably able, after they had to fly pretty quickly, to take care of themselves pretty quickly. And like you mention their flying, they believe now is that they were kind of.

For the long haul did weren't super fast. But could you know like a long distance jet liner right in, but some of them were small summer small son, words and imagine they were Fliddy Die carer, the name of one. But there is one that was extremely tiny, a very tiny little little flying terrorists. Or could you imagine anything more frightening dinner what you would call a pterodactyl the size of Robin yeah. How imagine a hundred of those our could look kind of cool The little ufos in batteries not included. Remember those seen a happy new year really bad or anything from them. No, it was basically cocoon by set in a tenement an arm. And with ufos rather than the actual aliens is very similar there. I think Dunham Ici was in both maybe one out

here that market cornered. If you can get your hands on Sudan, I mention that you put him in your movie buddy yet for sure. So, ok, where we at Chuck. Well, I think we can so, we can hop over to the fact that for many years people thought we ve already mentioned birds, but bats was the other thing that people confuse them with. There was an anatomy professor named Samuel, Thomas fun suffering and in the eighteen hundred he incorrectly suggested that these were bats. Another paleontology name Harry Silly, even wrote a book called dragons of the sky in which he said, birds were the descendants of these, Innocent is understandable. Why these due to a wrong they're doing the best they could When you look at those wings, it looks

that membrane it looks like it would be a bad swing, but there are, there are some differences gather some big differences and you like a bad. In particular, I could see confusing it where threat. I can ancient bat because with a bad, you have four digits and three of those digits form the bones in the wing. You got one little digit, wiggling, free so back and climb around with its index fingers right. Yes with terrorists. Are you have three digits that are free and then the pinky? The fourth digit is the one that forms that long, sometimes ten, twenty five or twenty feet. Long bone, that's the front end of the wing, yet us crazy, but they had three. They had three fingers free and this is really significant because before they used to thinking, if you go back- and you look-

how pterodactyls were drawn, unlike the middle of the twentieth century, when they were in flight they're, probably standing on their back legs, and they realise that this is probably not how territory stood there. Instead, because the the there for arms were far more powerful than their back legs, they were probably quadrupeds which meant that they walked on all four legs using. Putting most of their way and their front ways legs with their front for arms with earth, three free digits and their their wings tucked off to the side, and they look kind of like like a cartoon bull dog walks, yet is, is what I'm seeing that's what they think now He pulled out not a real and right. Well, I mean a real, both Ogden WAR, quite like a cartoon bull dog, Khartoum, bulldogs more exaggerate him pronounce unanimous church Khartoum to take another break

Sure I will do that and they will talk a little bit about how they fly in other good stuff, ready for this pterosaurs We tell you about people who love talking and always wanted, in the end a chill PETE flayed, since he was three and big his mom to let him stay on the ice, why some nights he even slept in his happy skates PETE practiced in practice to one day when he was forty, seven feet realized. He just wasn't that good, so he threw his gates in the trash but then he heard how Geico proud partner of any Joe could save him money on car insurance, so he switched and saved a bunch, so it all worked out. Well now, road driving a thing or two

Josh stuff? You should know right right Oh you mentioned. They were quadrupedal forfeited forfeited an initially. They thought that they would like birds, because we see birds do it and it's probably specially back in the eighteen hundreds it was maybe they're all working off. The notion of the easiest solution is probably correct: yeah cause they would see a bird hop off those backlog and think well. This is clearly what pterodactyls did you. I never thought about that, but that's exactly what a bird does. It jumps up in the air from its back legs and flaps its wings and then provides lift from that point on using its wings. I'd, never really thought about that. That's birds fly

they help around. If they want to, it is funny in one of the other articles you sent. One of those guys believed the paleontologist believes that it even evolved into flying that they used up around on four legs and eventually they started jumping higher and higher and then started flappin and before you know it, they were flying yeah. Maybe they went from leaping to gliding to fly lying and they don't know again they haven't found. What would you call a Prado? Terrorists are like whatever that was, the link between ancient reptiles and terror. Sars, but that's kind of the current guessed right now is that they evolve from some small white lizard. That was good jump yeah and their day one of the big keys and finding out- and I don't think he said this- how strong their arms were. Yeah debt, that sort- it was a big breakthrough because when you think of it like

you think it all comes from the legs because their jumping, but because they found more fossils, they realize your quadrupedal and they said man. They actually have it incredibly strong arms and shoulders and these little tiny feet So not only are they quadrupedal, but a lot of that initial hopping. Lift make from the arms and not in the legs at all, so they think now what they do. Surveys is basically pushed themselves off their front, arms and legs to an extent basically half up into the air and then start flapping their wings, rather than like a bird jumping off of their backs, Is that what you yeah and then but most of that comes from the from the and shoulders rather than the feet right in the feed. I think just sort of drag behind and perhaps may be helpful steering were around one started, run a hundred and fifty million years ago, and then one came later and the first groups had.

When they they were around. One started run a hundred fifty milk years ago? And if came later, and the first groups had long tales. So if you look at old drawings of terror, dactyls your frequently see what kind of like a long, forked devils, tail, yeah, yeah now and then kind of accurate. They think that the original once had longer tails to learn to steer in the air, but then as they more and more adapted to flying, gracefully they lost. There, too, so the later once the ones there were around the cretaceous, which ended suddenly mostly called one to which is not an easy one to pronounce that that they had they lost their tails because they had developed other methods of of changing how they fly mid flight right,

so like big is because the wing membrane was connected to their ankle from their shoulder with their finger kind of providing the front of the wing if they altered the though of their risk bone where they move their ankle in and out it would change the actual dynamic of their wing and they could dive and lift and do all sorts of other things, which is that this is a big sea change. In our understanding of territory to because they used to think that they basically to run and jump off a cliff to gain flight or hang like that, yeah because they were so weird looking in so Weird Lee developed in different ways, huge head enormous beaks, big, head, crests, small puny, little withered feet. You know like gum like gum, Mr Byrne. And or yeah. That's a good one,

or David crossing the Titanic. Her segment. I'm Mr Shell, like that right. That's like a territory legs, so, make any sense of a flu, but now that we're starting to learn more and more about him or like all. Actually they had a lot of really really interesting adaptations, not the least of which was their bones. Yeah I mean, are all of their bones hollow or just as wing bones, all of em I mean incredibly light, obviously, but that also ended up being the problems in trying to get fossils of these guys, because they just that they were very highly destructible. Non fossilize able non fossilized If you remember our fossil episode, those like one of the better old ones, if yes may hear agri I learned a lot on that yeah why we should the trap that out in selects soon as a great idea, the bigger

they also thought if they were on water, like they just have a little snack on a on a lake that they would use those wings as paddles and just get going that way, pushing off the surface and then flapping until they were. You know shaking it off, twenty feet above the above the water right, exactly alike, marine birds do today right. So those bones like you, you can't headed on the head. They are extra, they were, extremely light. They woods they were about a millimeter thick, something like the thickness of a playing cards. I saw that, but that it is super nuts is firstly, considering that these things were holding up like a bird that was up to twenty feet, tall right or not a bird. The terrorists are not a pterodactyl man, I'd just averted so much humility

the way that their bones were made, they were made of cross sections of basically like plywood, so they were really strong. And then, if you cut their bone in two and looked down the hollow to, you would see that their little struts Chris Car crossing to providing see that their little struts Chris Car crossing to provide even more internal support for those bones amazing, so you could have a twenty foot tall for terrorists are that could actually fly because it was that light. I saw one one of their as dark. Kids was with something I added twenty foot wingspan, but it probably didn't way any more than twenty pounds. Yet in some, these over me. What were the largest ones like thirty five forty feet and wingspan? Yes, so about like ten to fifteen metres in wingspan, like the size of like a jack plain like a fighter jet

I just blew my first private jet, oh yeah. How is it you know what a first of all I've always wanted to fly on a private jet, but never thought I would have cause to casino unless your extremely wealthy you'd only do that. If you get invited to for some strange reason you know this book it you, you should be on high alert. If you some wealthy person, invite you on their private jack and it was it was his awesome, as you think in the most are some part of was the just the sheer lack of hassle air like you, like, I parked my car at the little tiny airport here and a cab county.

Walked across a parking lot and into the lobby and there's literally a guy standing there of the captain and he was like. Are you jack, and I said yes and he said right this way and he walked out the back door and there's a plane and they say, watch your head. You get on it and he says it go. That's always suggest you never know they're like five of us on a no eight cedar. Every but he was waiting for you, Youse less per. And I was a little stress with them, but wait a minute see other perk. Is they don't leave you yeah? You like there I mean there's a schedule, but the same guy really like but it was cool. I mean they're. The one we are on was

it is not roomy. So it's not like air force, one or anything like you feel like you can just walk around but like when I was standing. I'm five foot ten and if I said completely straight, my head would brush the ceiling a little bit, but and yours like private jets no t say like you just you use walk on, they fly there and then you get off in your right there. It's like this is the lack of hassle and all, I could think of us like man. It must be great to be a millionaire, sure and never have to deal than airport again here that I was going to court then also want Europe. They are going well, you know it's not like life changing, yet you you may. Actually I've never flown Fiona one you may flew on mine too, said. Basically the exact same thing: you did that just the lack of hassle and how fast you get somewhere. Yeah is just just beyond me

gimme that it takes away hours and hours of airport crap. I know you start to develop like that. Terrible sensation will your eyes her for some weird reason need you haven't even got on the playing yet like there's a lot of stuff that I'd be happy to leave behind yeah, and it also when you're going to take off cause just because a small it feels like you're going as fast as your going, whereas in a jumbo jet it really doesn't right like ours can, like man we're going fast so- oh hey, so speaking of you me and lying. I have an update, Mackay Dear Emma, where the story about the Russia visas that we failed sure. I told her that I told this story and she was like you said we we forgot knows ago. We did right, she's like no. We asked like five different people five different times and were told we.

Didn't need visas, so I wanted to let you know chuck that we actually are as buttoned up as you think we were just misinformed. We got that great email from a new listener. That was like listen to some dome story about some guy and his dumb visa. I was like oh well the show brother there is probably there. The door was at that guy that one guy gaze re turned off by your aside about your visa story. Now it ever so anyway, thanks for indulging the private jet convert. Yeah I'll bet that guy loved the private here it'll bright, never happen again, but it was basically like riding around on it on a territory. So that's I, which did in their historic as nice, so um I'm trying to think of what else, territory can bring out the little entertain euro than me. I don't know if you know

but I'm wearing my little outdoor archaeologists boots? I see that in white white pullup crew socks and I'm just a total little nerd, you ve done in everything, and here too I am not even like one of those dinosaur nerds, but some just getting into researching dinosaur did. Does it do that to you to this kind of draws out? Like the little kid, I think so- and I think probably because At least when I was in new- and I were growing up, I feel like public schools just like did such a poor job of talking about these periods. Oh yeah. Yeah. I remember that, but also remember, dinosaurs, being kind of huge in the eighties police they were in Ohio does no higher think and are now trying to remember. I mean drastic park, obviously changed everything, its Maya. But when was that nineties, the early ninetys yeah, but I feel it dinosaurs- were pretty popular among the kids,

for that. Maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe a hit, my hidden, don't realize it. I don't know, I know give me my daughter loves dinosaur. So it's a thing. Yes, definitely is a thing and it's getting to be even more of a thing. The more we learn about territory to which is, as somebody called, that the twenty first century, the golden age of terrorists, our research, so their expecting big things from the field Yan and, like you said, hopefully they can find that protein terrorists or and that's when the community really gets all excited when again make those links hate. You know it speaking at a community. I read this sum: article in national, geographic and God bless him. I can remember the guy who wrote it, but it's called why terrorist hours, were the weirdest wonders on wings. Yells again is a great article and I'm the guy basically, just God and all like the dirty laundry of the terrorists are paleontology community, an apparent

the very well known among paleontologists for just despising each other, like the terrorists are paleontologists, don't like each other talk smack about each other publicly and just snipe at one another, a lot which makes the whole thing even though much more fascinating una, her like their real competitive, real back biting interesting yeah, and in this case it's a good thing, yeah cause they keep pushing on one another. Agreed, you got anything else now. Are we don't terraces? Don't have anything or something well. If you want to know more about pterosaurs, go to your local natural history, history, museum and say: hey, tell me about that: pterodactyl see if you can stump them and since I said stump time for listen to mail, I'm going to call this one, which one is this one hundred

I believe we did this in a select episode, it's one of our older ones, but a really good one. I think agreed. This goes like this. Hey guys and was soon to be grad student from going down China and have been a listener for a couple years now, my first I'm writing in and it's about foot binding. I talk to my grandmother after listening, and she told me that her grandmother had bound her feet. I asked if great great grandma had trouble walking and she said she it never even wobbled a little bit because it turns out she never made her own little shoes. She just bought toddler shoes for himself that's called making lemons. No that's! making lemonade out lemons with your feet. That's right. She said Gregory, Graham

came from a wealthy family and bound feed for more of a symbol of your family wealth, meaning you don't have to do farming, chores and catering to the male foot fetish. At that time we are not exactly sure when she was born We do know that when her daughter and my great grandmother was born in nineteen fourteen, she made sure that our feet were never bound. She also put all of her kids through high school, which is very remarkable back then for binding, is certainly not something- and I am proud of you think that I'm just five generations away from having to get my own feet bound, was sitting here. Writing guys right now. It just says to me how far we ve gone thanks for the show. By the way the draft podcast Josh was having trouble pronouncing Q. I n G honesty get a cue may be roughly pronounces T s

not exactly the same so just say, sing next time that would do I. I don't even think I tried that when I tried every other phony makes everything, and this is best regards from Rio. We Thank you very much room. That's pretty cool and, like nice sense of perspective too, if you one again touch this within awesome story. Like role we did, you can catch up with us on social media, says good our website stuff. You should know that in your find all of our social links there, and if you want to send us a good old fashioned, email wrap it up, smack on the bottom and send it off to stuff podcast housed of works outcome for more openness and thousands of other topics, as it has done Are you

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