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and the reason I know, because I did this podcast on them and just An old houses around doesn't make it a historic district beyond fine. What that really means more than just open up here hers and continue to listen and you'll, be done oh, please, to enjoy our Saturday select for this week. All about historic districts. Welcome to stop. You should know the production of Iheart Radio, you hold onto the Pakistan Josh Clark, there's Charles of each of Brain there's Jerry over there. That makes this stuff you shut up, the clock tower skid good, just popped into my head for real yeah. I was reading this article in doing this research thinking back to the future back to the future. I'm surprised it just popped in

had, I actually hadn't thought about basic feature at all, but but that's a really that's very appropriate chuck, but that is not a historic district that just a landmark building. I think that you could still it could will qualify for a registry on national register of historic places, it is, will be a historic district, which is what we're talking about today. Maybe they should just be the into the pockets. The end took, have you ever gone into a neighborhood just been walking around town and all of a sudden, you realize that in the most charming adorable place ever been in your life sure when you probably been an historic district here. This is pretty cool the ethics this. We haven't done one like this in a while. You like this, when I was fully expecting you to say like this much I love historic places. I know, but some

I'm sorry, I don't know. I thought that I am glad that you I'm glad that appear now actually selectively giving me you're gonna hate it. So you know examples of this and our harking back to some of our absurd. We used to do like row, houses and shocking houses. Yet this let's stuff chair, but as they re else's yeah, shack and houses, we did do a full episodes, chalk and houses and their architecture imports There was a pretty good episode agreed. I think we released it as a selects recently to tell me I'm the guy did, but that might have been when you're pics. I don't think I did Jerry Gus producer lenient, Jerry, select them some from time to time. Sheridan have time for that stuff. That's why she means nothing else on her plate. Besides me so

true and overseeing the largest podcast programme in the world. It's pretty impressive jeers Jerry said. Thank you. Yes, she does she's a danger holding me so super mouth So I think I've already coming down the intro out of the way where I asked. If you've been in a charming Aryan said you probably been in a historic district. Well, I mean there's a good chance that have, if you ve been in the United States, because there are more than three hundred of them gave us a lot. I mean they lie all over the place. You might say like okay. Well, that's great group! This is a area that has been designated as some sort of historic significance. Can I please go to sleep now? It will say no! No, please don't. asleep yet because there's a lot more to it and in the world more surprising, twists, you're going to have an your entire life, this actually controversial historic districts. Cayambi area

Yeah did. You know either one article he also being coy. Ok, my stomach to parliament out of terror. Should we talk about Charleston South Carolina, yes, a place right. Well, I didn't: go there onto the beach near there. The ILO Palm here just three weeks ago, but we're within spitten distance of trust in South Carolina. Why would you spent on Charleston? I wouldn't I loved it, get Bill Murray lives. There forgot eggs. Gay does apparently he's a man about town there and I think is family lives there too yeah. That's why he lives her. Oh gotcha. So they form the very first historic district in the United States in nineteen thirty one there they saddle. the Board of Architectural review- and this quote here- is pretty great. Does the official quote from that architecture

Review board. Again, please read in MID Atlantic Data MID Atlantic. Why that cause? That's the that's the one, though a timely one Ok, you're, probably going to use, I was they do an old southern thing, Oh, oh, better, yet another way more way: better. The preservation and protection of the old, historic and architecturally worthy structures and quaint neighborhoods, which import distinct aspect to the city of Charleston TAT, is beautiful. They actually have quaint neighborhoods in their charge. Yeah right, so I mean like from what I've read two Charleston. Like actually is legitimately interested in its architecture and preserving its architecture, the Aldo, as will see later there are some people controls and endure right. I was right. Tell us in the article

okay so or that their overdoing. It that's how I took it. Yeah sure, ok, cocoa, sobered Charleston was the first one to basically say this is historically significant architecture that historically a signal area, and we want to make sure that it stays that way, that's right and we're going to add a layer of protection, legal protection, were this area that the rest of the city doesnt have and within five there is word had spread to New Orleans and they said desert, good idea. Chief we're going to you do that for the french corridor My new Orleans exit out at a career yeah now do you know? What they're basically saying is is that it can be either wanna get in. It all depends on your local jurisdictions, which will get too but historically or aesthetically, these buildings in this area there are linked together right and so that

do something basically provided the Charleston and then the New Orleans when basically provided the groundwork, which was this area, is protected and we're going to form a board who is charged with making sure that it stays this way as much as possible or going to invest some legal authority into him. And these people are here. They go through if you want to do anything significantly altering to the exterior of your place. If you live in this area or have business there right or maybe not even significantly, depending on where you are there and Gary picky so kind of like plodded along this idea. It was around for a couple of decades and then this whole cross of urban renewal that was kicked off after the highway started being built in part, because of the highways, because people were saying, wait. You're gonna dig blow right through you know, fellow He in Chinatown with this highway in in Manhattan. We don't want to do that. This is worth protecting.

build your highway elsewhere and then also as the highways were built in traffic started being re routed away from other towns, these other towns, is to be driving sorry to fallen disrepair simply worse, ok, let's knocked these all buildings and build new ones, and maybe business will come back to it. Initiated this idea that no we got some historic stuff here and we need to protect it and it really started to kick off in earnest in the in the fifties and by one thousand nine hundred and fifty six, the always a gun involved and through the National Park Service, establish the National Historic Preservation ACT. That said you and Yes, you are in charge of designating what's his an historic site and what's not that's right, in nineteen sixty six, the they created a national register of historic places, run by the national parks or not run. But I guess to sort of maintained sorry. Yes,

said, nineteen. Thirty six, I'm at nineteen sixty six. Ok, I got everything else right now. That's right! So here's the deal you can be listed on the National Register and that's really like the does. I mean it means something animals. It doesn't mean a whole lot. If we really want to protect something, you have to go your local historic district. You have to create and protect it locally. That's him a very big deal, but we're going over both national and state, which is sort of like national and local, which is pretty different. It actually is, but it's really its impressive that the local level is the one that has the real teeth as far as historic districts are concerned, as it should be so, but most people, start out with the national district at the very least because there is a certain amount of cachet to it to having show your place designated as a national, historic, either structure, district or area, but there's there's multiple.

That can fall under or be logged onto the register of historic places, apparently in other countries they have similar registers, but they'll include things like guy events, people, it's just not necessarily things objects, but in the United States there is a real emphasis on place in situation and buildings in particular, and so, if you on the national register of historic places, your two things you're an object: in your inanimate and you probably you're, in situated in a specific area you're like where you are what you are is kind of tied to the area around. That's the real focus of the United States National register of historic places. So there are five overall categories buildings. It's pretty obvious structures, also kind of obvious, but

That could be. It says here that could even be an aircraft as a structure, the I saw them The green elevator Fox Illinois that protected, because it's an example of the transition between one story in two story: green elevators, amazing. It has made I don't wanna yuck anybody's yonder thing about this- like to me- I'd- be easy. He took a bleeding a little bit corner of my eye from being boarded even saying that sends, but I'm sure there there really appreciate the different architecture of green elevators and that's the point- means that if it's on the national register of restoring places, it is important to some group of people, and so Don't worry, I'm even if you find it's boring, agreed because my find what you find interesting, boring number three. It can be an object number, for it can be a site, and this is a big one in the United States has like civil war battlefields.

Stuff like that abolition, trail, yellow, I'm, ok, historic site! Sure there's a bunch of I will tell you, will together earlier. can be a district which is basically kind of combination of those first for or just let me group like You know the street has, has ten houses and beautiful, victorian houses around built by the same architect right, and so this is work. We're going to consider this a district right. So like maybe in each of those instances of one of those houses was in the neighborhood it my qualify. Fur designation is a historic building, but you put him together because there together, they form this district, which, as you know this some of these parts form something larger in that connection and there's a couple of qualifications that they have to

me too, to be part, are listed on the National Register, almost without exception. They have to be fifty years old. I think that the law is that it has to be exceptionally import to be younger than fifty years old and still be designated on. The historic places register that right It has to be a significant which sounds going abroad, but- and I guess a candidate significance is in the eye of the beholder. But that's why we have boards and like that to determine whether or not they think it's significant to behold? Things for us and then finally, gotta be evaluated their significance in historic context, which kind of speaks for itself like it. Did any great history happen. There right will you know this Bob Dylan's house in Minnesota, He was a child. I don't know another on the list is through that other. It could be no meaning

be a bed. That's it that's a home run but say like listen so, while this this building used to house soda shot a soldier they made pretty good chocolate malls, and so its representative that time? Well, if you are on the board looking at this application, look around and try to put in context. I guess people liked chocolate. Malta sort. shops at one period in american history, but was this the place where Chocolate, Malta were invented or, Is this the place where everyone widely agreed made the best chocolate malted? It's like, though I get has history, but not necessarily significant history in kind. To the larger era that it's part of, so it would probably get passed over yeah like the four sort of historical

exit year, you have it is an issue and necessarily, but you have a good chance if, if something important historically happened, there like that's as though the place were so and so was shot and killed or born, perhaps who A more up not did someone live here. There was significant George Washington slept here sure so she had with them did until their necessarily is related to a certain architectural period or method of construction by that's it, that's a big one for the park service. Like this is the this is the last to be used. The that used faster and laugh for their walls or there's a there college in Florida floor to southern college. That is like the entire campus, was design by Franklin right sure, so that is clearly going to have to be accepted on the national rules. or finally was their information at this place. That is historically

yeah or might there be because they can afford protection, does like an archaeological site, that's a known archaeological site that have a really dug yet like will find it right, there saying there's a pretty good potential that was some information or history. historical significance. Will the yielded from investigation of the site, but we want to protect it now before developers come in that's right, here's the thing if you want to be as historic district- that does like if you, if you want to say, like these three square blocks, historic district, that I mean that every single property- and there is one contributing property to that district gather nine contributing proper. These are allowed sure like if you have the does fit in victorian houses on a block and others that the one you know the one modern make mention that does not limiting. I think we can all agree, but it doesnt disqualify rest of the area. Necessarily then it is, it depends on

from what I see is very much a subjective measure how much that make mansion detracts from the feel or the authenticity of the rest of the site, what they call integrity. Yeah. That's really kind of interesting because all the stuff, its objective, but the integrity there is how the that the physical characteristics of that property reflect like on this day reflect that if it gets historically right. So I give you have that row victorian homes, but A single one of them was altered in the sixties or the seventies and eighties, and the people inside me too really weird decisions and so altered the the into the air fear of these homes that yes, were all part of this vote. Torreon era and the war. Once

pretty good examples of it. They aren't any longer, even though it qualifies for all these other things. It would not be considered, say with integrity and it might get silver unless everyone agreed to restore the houses back to that victorian era, that's the saddest letter to get, I think, is I'm sorry. You been denied because your property has no integrity, Pretty right, then you, Sir, do not either the Tele Phineas every letter life. Should we take a break and talk about how you might create a historic district? There is one the thing before we do check. I think it's fine idea, I'm not shoe known your idea, but I do want to play Other areas have to be unified, not necessarily. Physically visually geographically, but some are. They have to be linked to be considered a district at right. I know you want to break this ok,

Our czech talk nuance new ants, that's a fun word: nuance really flows off the time yeah I know when you're looking into buying a home, you need to understand the nuances of different properties. I don't think I'm ready for this sounds cumbersome, others another great word, but regardless it's ok, because an agent whose real tore can help guide you Do all the stuff perfect so when you're in the market to buy, give a few different options to choose from, but the majority of first time home buyers are looking at either new builds fixer uppers, move in ready homes right in each type of property comes with its own chuck, nuances. Yeah. There's that word again yet and when you're looking at new builds an agent whose real tour,

mind you that you need to be flexible with your closing and moving dates has the hammering can keep going? Sometimes, ok, but you might have less maintenance and energy costs in the short term, the new that's exactly right and when you are considering a fix, her upper an agent whose real tore will walk you through your findings options, especially with potential unforeseen costs and other nuance uneven. move in ready property. You should be prepared to pay more up front, wait for it, but working with a home inspector in an agent whose array tor wait for it will help, you understand the quality of the home and whether the upgrades included are worth the investment. Now, that's a nuance I now or bathing in New wants right now and I haven't even got into the nuances of different communities. So if you want help now the gating all the nuances of buying your first home, make sure your agent is a real tore, real towards or members of, the National Association of Real tours.

if you want Listen. Do you all right if you're a person- and you live just take us, for instance, like they say I wanted to get my house in my neighborhood and in Atlanta recognizes it my block as a historic national, historic disk, ok- and the real reason I want to do. This is because, of the street near my house, again expand and it's a Bummer, because they're gonna have to tear down a few of them since that are really what I think are significant and they might. Take possession of their little strip of land that you ve been exercise using squatting on yet, more importantly, they will take my little strip of land right, ok

What would you do like why? Where are you going to do in and as step one check to protect your home well too? said on the National register. I would start at the state to stay historic preservation officer, and this is a person. Every state has one the emperor s website find out who yours is and get into. and they are basically gonna help you out with Amelia, you're, gonna, please your case of course can help you fill out this form explaining. Why am I mean they may say? Listen, don't even bother, but whether supposed to do as help us whether or not it might be eligible and help you fill out all your national forms descended by. They might say like how old your house in a few like ours bill in the nineties. It's too pretty nice of you, don't don't bother betrayed by Europe since you have never done this before your Dingus at it, and there are there to help. You figure this out, how to do it right there, not the ones who are

to judge this now board will and typically estate board fur state historic Preservation Board their review borders, made up of people who know what they're talking about architects, historians, archaeologists, anthropologist people who have been trained in the stuff. You can say it is actually that great there's a much better example of it. You know a couple blocks over bears fact. While we go to the other place and make out a historic district, you like stops, but the the officer that you are contacting that's their job to help you get their ear application in state your case and then get it in front of the review board. Who will then take it from there and say this is a great idea is terrible idea or I don't carry the way. It is time for lunch.

Proved that's right, and this is again going for their national register and one reason you might want to do. This is because here's the thing, it's It's sort of a badge of honor like we said before and will whoop we'll talk about again later about the local and that's what you really want. but if you are on the National Register, it does provide you with legal protections federally. So right, if that road It is a federal highway project. Then it could protect your house. Or even better. Even if his local or stay project. If it's getting any federal funding whatsoever. Same thing applies to where they have to say. What's to be the impact on any historic district of this project, and if the impact is deemed too great, the project won't go forward. So there is, there are some protections for it. For the most part, it's kind of symbolic and there's a little bit cachet. You know

and put it on your zero page that your house is part of a national historic district. But you can't they can't say I mean you: can you can live in a historic, a national, historic home and you can let it fall into repair and I like garbage- and they can't come in and say well well here, you're on the national register. You can't let your house fall into disrepair like this right, yeah clean so far, because Spain, You should get a shave. What's your problem, exactly they don't say that those are individual property rights and its only up to local governments to infringe on individual property rights, not the state or federal government. So well this data no government will have laws restricting its own activities in regards the historic decision like expanding road or something like that, get on the National Reserve. Historic places your whole we heard gets on their your neighbor. Can whenever they want with their house still. So if that was your whole ploy, all along Chuck, to really keep your far from doing something like say. Oh no putting us

can story on their house dear, going too find that you have been frustrated at right angles to state, but the state is basically like federal. As far as protections and stuff like that, go but where it where the real teeth come in, is with the local historic districts and It is very different. They don't have to meet the same guidelines. A lot of times are very similar, but they don't have to have the same exact guidelines as the national historic districts to night. so. The first thing that you're gonna need, though, is to be an ordinance, a local preservation ordinance, which is basically just hey here, the rules on how we do this around here here so we're gonna identify these houses in here's. What at me if you have one right it so This isn't like this is big square. One stuff like this is what a city has to do before it ever creates its very first historic

strict. If you're cities already done this thing, you would just basically go through the same process that you would wish National register in applying to git historic designation for your neighborhood in your city from your local. In his polity, but as they ve never done before, they ve got to create new legislation for new laws. Protecting you know historic areas, and then they also to set up a preservation commission to basically the same thing that the Charleston South Carolina did all the way back in nineteen thirty one, that's right, so you can for the commission they're gonna hold some public hearings where people can come and argue the case. For or against the because not everybody likes his idea. Now, not everyone does, as will see you had in fact it's It's gonna hard. You had to have like the community's really gotta be behind this. Yet, in order for this to go through a tab,

most cases from what I've seen you need him, a majority of homeowners and business owners in the area to agree to this, and I think, even if the opposition is particularly vocal in mad. It it's, they still, maybe the derail rail local ordinance designation. That's right but it's all gonna be considered by the commission. and they're going to make that recommendation to the officials. They can say you know you going to reject us or you going to say is it all great or not and here to deal if you get named local historic district. This is when they can say no, no, no! No! You live in a historic com in this district You can't let us all out of disrepair, you can't those one case, I was in Maryland. I think where I guess these front. Porch columns, we're being replaced by family and they skimmed a little, because what is expensive

used where these fiberglass or something right, they said no. He can't do that because you live in the historic district and he had to use. These original materials to preserve this house, gay gotta use you would like you said I don't know, maybe they were like, we don't want to cut down a tree or maybe they words is keeping out, but I think they sued ye. I believe they see in order to try to keep on, but that's a really typical part of any local historic district ordinance is you're, going to make any kind of repairs, especially significant repairs, any duration. To exterior anything like that? You need to use historically accurate material but you have to admit it for approval to a local design review board to write. Sorry I got ahead of us to the first thing you have to do is say I want to replace the columns in the front of my house because they're falling apart, I want to replace them. Can I please do that? Please, sir, please let me and the local review board

commission will analyzes in USA sure you can, but this is what they have to look like. This is the materials they have to come there to be made out of- and this is the color that they have to be painted and you have to fight their or else you can be fine. They can place a lean on your property and the penalty can be pretty stiff, actually yeah and here's the thing. Like. I can least understand this, and what will talk later about, you know freedoms, to do what you want. With property that you own? But this I can stomach a little bit The we talked about homeowners associations before those Is that really get me to where it is not historically never get it isn't ex herb seven hundred houses and a subdivision that require you to have the same mailbox right. So the in that sense having a Homeowners association covenant. and having a historic preservation. This

dial local level, where they both have teeth, that they can actually enough. I knew or tell you what to do to the Exterior Hauser yard. The point is the same in this sense, then, that they're trying to keep things a certain way right. At least, I think what you thing is at least with the historic district they're trying to preserve something that has been the historically important, whereas with the suburb, it's just, they want to make sure by law is cut It just looks the same or no in paints, their house Bank or whatever sure, but they have the same aim which is like this is. What we are all saying is very nice unpleasant. I just watch Pleasantville last night fell five hundredth time as a movie, always in at once, but means so but we ve all agreed that this is pleasant, and this is what we want our area to look like an, and this is how it's going to stay in. You can't change in and if you do after petition and this review board can tell you now, you can't do that.

And, of course, I know that the answer to my problem with these the exhibits, don't don't move there, and, like you know, the stuff go and in short than dumping, How can that neighbourhood- and I think most people who do by out there are pretty away and I think some of them are looking for that, because her tends to protect property values like here, we're going to have a neighbor who just parks like a boat with a moth eaten. cover over it in their front driveway for five years like this is not, happen out there, but at the same time it also A bleeding we boring to live out their as you can answer say that, although the ear in October movie, watching as Pleasantville dear I, what as light the Texas Chains home has good guy so good original yeah. I had never seen it. Can you believe that I had never seen it? That's really surprising. Would you think, while

was it was disturbing there. hammer seeing that drugs are fairly twenty minutes of the hour and twenty men along movie here it was tough, and I realise that in I'm impressed for a movie crush slashing movie special, oh no said I never watched a lot of that stuff grown up alone of his cause, those turkey sure but just Raillery answer right there that maybe silk is, and I don't think so. Like Blue, I thought I would be in trouble and then just like the p I was around, didn't really get into that stuff. So you is the really crucial window in horror movie watching me earlier. I can see coming into it. It is in a dull you're like, like you said, this is highly destroy a a minute is theirs in fine, like you like, has to kind of doves over that period of your life, where you feel immortal right, a kind of bounces off a view. The disturbing this over and then as you,

it to be an adult, you can kind of sir to appreciate that this, the truly disturbing aspects of it, but it's still tempered by that you know teens twenty something that you remember as well and have that just coming into like this. You know lay forties- is not a good time to launch and takes its genes are medicine man, I feel for you. I liked it only at that very much oppression it is well, it's a classic hurried check, so we ve kind of hinted little bit it. The idea that not everybody on board within historic district in for No getting real designation like a local designation, withers actual risk Since I knew the person who owns the home can or can't do things without permission from a border p. you might not even have ever met in your life, you the for it to be really successful, neither the community behind that take to get their designation. everybody going in with their eyes open, saying, ok, you know-

these were willing to spend the extra money I'm would were willing to Then the extra money on you know a hand. Made window there. I won breaks because were not allowed to replace the original single pain windows that make twenty degrees in our house all winter light, like word, I'll go we're going in with our eyes wide open like that. But even if most of the community does there's people, We still going to be somebody who says I'm a libertarian I believe, in this kind of stuff- I'm really not happy about this and that person basically going to have an historic district shoved down their throats yeah, Then you, probably not you, but if you are that person, you will be the one. That's vocal, if you know about the meeting in your there and you want to make Hey buddy and be overruled. And all of a sudden. You are subject to those whims: libertarians, hey thanks, there's a bunch of sides to this coin. Here

one is there there's a bunch of factors? One? Let's talk about approach, however, that Yemen, The pros is many times it increases property values because there is a standard that has to be up old and your house and though those around you, be falling into disrepair right, employee. If you are like a year if you're housing prices, are stable, and rising in relation to the rest of the town. Your tax base. Here, your taxes, also ten, rise to write, and so these air, is very quickly start to become wealthy areas of town, so it's a weight for for people to basically secure their invest. in their property yeah, and I guess we're talking about disadvantages mixed in here too, because there are some people that say Hey in the? U S, that's ok be code for keeping the wealth and in the pocket of the few because who's gonna be owning. These houses are People have a lot of money either

a guy named Kristen Caps. who wrote an article on city lay back in two thousand. Sixteen that basically said the the inequality and housing in the housing pricing crisis laid at the feet of historic preservation, districts, which is pretty preposterous in a lot of ways, but he did makes me reminder he sure, but I think that his We would like to do away with historic preservation for district, four neighborhoods, because most of these are covered by zoning laws say you can only have single family homes in here, while only certain people can afford really. Spencer single family homes, that european women, really high taxes, and so it keeps our people who would otherwise love to enjoy this amazing neighbourhood. With this, you know that mature oak trees and beautiful sidewalks and neighbours walking around being friendly and greater Jos on every corner or

good schools that there the these who'd shouldn't just be for extremely wealthy people, but in saying that it's only single family housing allowed in this knowing never build a high rise with a bunch of apartments that those people who do might be able. afford to live in and enjoy the neighbourhood and southern so, on the one hand there like well yeah, we don't want high rises here, that it has nothing to do with the historical architecture and it's a blight, You will say well, you're, also just keeping poor people out too so frightened it some it's definitely double edged sword, because there It's very much accurate, but certainly not the cause. a major solution to the housing crisis either. Yeah Republicans in Michigan that are trying to do away with a lot of these modern about districts, but maybe potential future designations, because their whole thing is light. I want the federal government come in here and telling you what you can do

Can't you with your house, although it wouldn't be the federal government in the name of the local, be local, but these must be state wraps and low Rebs, but they're, saying let let's do away with some of this stuff. Like Michigan, has far too many of these and your freedoms are being squashed right, exactly You wanna paint your house bank, then you should be able to, and so some some observation district commissions are a little more laid back than others, apparently in Georgia. If you it's up to you pick? What color you wanna paint your house if the report you're doing our minor? You don't have to have a certificate of appropriateness and then another point as it is a staunch, is, is a kind of an understatement old town, Alexandria, very famous, like you, can't do anything to the outside of your your house in this old town district

as a result is suing ice, their ordinary citizens extraordinarily charming place to be its great. The tonnes of people who visit DC make the trip over the old town, Diego shopping or to eat, or to do whatever just walk around. So that's enough benefit of of having industry preservation, district attracts business, urbane attracts customers to businesses in, very frequently. You'll find an influx of tourism dollars coming as area to you, and you know we talked about that before the the legendary fabulous far Theatre here in Atlanta are only remaining like amazing, huge old school egyptian style. Theater was it was gonna, be a bank parking lot in the nineteen seventies and like they were lit. I tried to put a parking lot there and I remember when I was a kid: they had the save the Fox eater campaign and it took you know these celebrity.

a benefit concerts to raise money, Ben Marine. Did he come. I could see it. It was the right air. The Frank Sinatra came: he was one of the bigwigs. Really here frank, came to Atlanta and performed and raise money in like Oh, you can t around the Fox guys. That's my frank! It's ok! I should become a Sammy. You should have done at Charleston example: but that's the other side of the coin, which is like a people. Don't I mean there was a time country in the fifties, Sixtys and Seventys. Where that kid I can very easily happen and that day happen in downtown Atlanta? If you look at old pictures downtown Atlanta it look like New York, does Mahler version of New York City and you know now and some of their character back, but there was a period where Ladys toward him breathing old in favour putting up these bland white bill. things in the native? Like in the future, and they the urban renewal and thankfully, in the last ten to one

years, I'm not sure where the idea came from people said you can have the same effect. You can have businesses, you can have mixed use development by reusing in rehab. Taking these these same billings you to tear down and build something new issues, cheaper to do that, but it is much better if we do it the other way in kind of preserve the history and that stuff become the push lately but yeah. There is definitely a period in the middle of the night. century- were a lot of stuff, was torn down in Israel, I was on a website. I can remember the name of it where they were listen, The most boring cities in the world, the World Chuck and the first one was Atlanta The reason one of the criteria that are using was his two. They history like how much Three is just kind of mixed into the fire. The fabric of the city and power It is all the tearing down that they did in the fifties and sixtys, but also part of it was late. the feet of General Sherman who were in the town.

The ground embryo pull out of the house. He is well on the march to the sea so this is kind of headed twofold knock around where a lot of historical stuff not preserved who is actually torn down. As a result, it lacks a certain amount of character because compared to other cities that have more history, the old twofold around. Here. That's that's a dumb. I mean I'm not saying this just because this is my hometown at man is not the most boring in the world in the world that was in the top ten, the dumbest thing I've seen well. Here's the other thing to. I think there is aid, and this is in essence, bout, preserving history, but I think there's in a general return to taste in craftsmanship across the board and the last like fifteen years, and some people made colored hips, tourism or whatever, but you know people. There are artisan bakers now and you know, pancreatic

cocktails instead of fern bars and when they are building new buildings there trying to make them blend in and I like the time where I think every everyone in America thought the future was just going to be sterile and white, and these sterile white- buildings we're going up everywhere in these and the baseball stadiums that were just round white objects and then starting with Camden Yards in Baltimore, they started building these old style ball parks, and that's all you see now, I think this is to cross the borders. Think people are respecting craftsmanship in history. A lot more Then they did for a long long time by decades. I agree, but it is you that that comes at a price, because if you look at those neighborhoods where in out they are being rehabilitated brain preserved by the people were moving in their as they're doing it. their raising the home values and which also raises the taxes, and so people who have traditionally,

historically lived in these neighborhoods are being pushed the neighbourhood policy, so that is one part one facet that has yet be cracked like how do you? How do you keep it? neighbourhood in a mixed, as far as like income goes or use, go like how do you? How do you really preserve that kind of thing? So so it's not just like yes, we're, preserving this neighbourhood at the expense of the residents who used to live here, be it's in a richer people who are coming in in re having areas general gentrifying. Basically, while talking about over that an urgent vacation podcast, ok by, but that's it that's a big thing. So it is a criticism of historic preservation, but it certainly not a reason to do away with historic preservation and one of the other challenges I've seen is: ok So let's see we're going to allow somebody to come in, the high rise in this amazing historic neighbour.

Do you really think they're going to be building it for lower mixed income, people to move into now, they're gonna in it for the wealthiest people, who probably have even more money than the people who own the houses in this historic district, and it's not going to help this housing crisis at all. It is going to examine and would have ruined a perfectly beautiful historic district in the process? We should totally duenna justification. I agree. I agree. I love episodes like these, where it's like. What's the resolution, there is none, yet

stay tuned, everyone. We know you're very answer resolution. So I've read before that people who read fiction tend to be able to deal with open ended like endings. I want more than people who don't, which is where it is. I don't read much fiction these days, but I can still. I still hang with with no resolution. No closure closer. You anything else. Let us wait for me to start talking looks like maybe we'll have you. I know more about historic districts. Why? Don't you go try to get your place put on the national MR, why don't you as you do that? Let us know how it goes. Maybe keepers posted In the meantime, the first before I tell you how to get in touch with a silly keepers posted less time for listener man

agriculture. Is government shut down, follow up, hey guys, I'm a member of the permanent government in DC. They did a great job was greatly emphasise the cost of a shut down. He think most people don't understand these things aren't just a blip. I want to point out that the effects The last shut down still aren't over when we back to work. We were told that it took the agency six months to it. or from the previous shut down that lasted six. Days and these things are exponential, not linear, while with If I d shut down, we don't know how long is going to take to catch up, settled indoor normal and just expect amiss deadlines, people, Easter, regularly, understand and are working with us, but I don't think the general public gets it. You can't just push back deadlines by thirty five days, because new work is constantly coming in. There's no pause. And just because the government is shut down, our all we're? the catch up, but it hasn't happened. So

we can blame the shut down. Either people don't understand how work submitted after the end of the shut down and still be affected by it, but we can't just double or what There is only so many hours in a day. Let us from Nate thanks date was a nice little follower, thanks for bringing down here knew right. Weeds is kind of gone out on such a mediocre level unless down level. What are you gonna do to do this. I name bring us down, ordered and keep us posted on how it's going to be in your quest to get your house or your neighborhood on the National Reserve, historic places. You can go into step, vision, could come check out our social links there or you can send send an email to stuff, podcast Did I heredia dot com stuff, you should Know- is the production of Iheart radio for more pollution My heart radio visit thy heart radioactive apple had passed.

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