In World War II, a secret department of British ‘corkscrew thinkers’ hatched a plan to use the cadaver of an unclaimed homeless man to turn the tide of the war in the Allies’ favor. It worked. Learn all about it in this classic episode.
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The production of Iheart Radio Pay and look into the bargain. Some Josh Clark, there's Charles the Bee. Chuck Bryant is Jerry. Role in this study should know Chuck. thirty. Nine years old, I still can't say my own name correctly, kissing my stupid thick tom you're gonna be forty. Yes, it's crazy, yeah used to make fun of me in your old, well you're. Still The main me I can do about that. It's cooler here, aging very well, know your aging. Well, what you mean the tea falling out the weight gain and, given the great bird, I still say your aging variable. Let's get you take off your hat stuck! I get here boom it like that they get had had now. Uniform, ok, don't think, I'm bald, some people do
the Euro is where the head, but he won't suspicious people here, like the drummer for the chilly peppers, Anthony Keenness, flee, know the guy from James Addiction nope. I don't know, that's not John, for shanty jets looks like we'll. Feral welfare is always get that had on backwards and M S Bald totally rattling Brett Michael's Bob. Every always wears a direct the S Superbowl. So I get my people are suspicious. If you're public figure that has a patented hat peace, then it's probably because your ball, but not my kids, what a weird way to start the show, especially this operation, mincemeat yep, it's a ghoulish gallows, humor awesomely,
a word to british name for this this operation. Yet this will live alongside our our nazi spies and unveiling Florida Yod Cast and the history girls covered this. This very topic is welcome in theirs I love more than little known history. This is this. Is it, but this is great little known hysteria and you shouldn't be middlemen because it it was ass after the Trojan war or maybe the largest and most successful military deception plan in history will. There is also have soon. I documentary Ghost Army version fortitude. No, they used a bunch of blow up tanks in planes like inflatable tanks in planes to make it look like there's a whole ally division over so that we could invade Normandy Maurice that it's like a lunatic spartan ass. But yes, this right sub therewith, literally with the Trojan horses, the it's their ingenious and that wonderful, but so must set the state trite. Ok
So in early nineteen, forty three, the war was very much undecided yeah. I could in anybody's, like you're, Europe was under. The control of Hitler, blew a huge amounts of of Europe if they called it Fortress Europe, because he, the Nazis, were just had just over run the play here. I dug in and The the allies knew that they needed to get into Europe to topple Hitler else like they weren't gonna win the war sure so Churchill suggested attacking Europe's underbelly witches. Maybe ITALY, Greece, under the linear. He called it the underbelly of very flattering, but he call it Europe's Underbelly, so everybody, the allies, the Greeks, the Nazis, the Japanese, the people in Hawaii. Everybody knew Yeah they weren't american Clia. Everybody knew that the allies we're gonna attacks,
somewhere in that area yeah come up through the Mediterranean. Even Hitler feared this the most right by key right in I mean everybody knew allies were coming and they're going to come there. But this this land, masses area of land and sea is large enough that you can't like other coming down there. We got it cover yet will covered all Jimmy did no kind of specifically where there are covering in. There are just a few places where they could have come. One was Greece, there was where Hitler always suspected near one was Sardinia right now and then another was Sicily and in nineteen forty three, I think January. The ally powers met, infringe Morocco and held a conference. The Casablanca conference very sexy. Name really was an dumb. They said, ok, we're going to invade Sicily. This July, we're gonna call operation husky. Now we have to do everything we can.
and did not let the Nazis know that that's where we're going in that actually hatched eventually what's called operation mincemeat. Yet you know what the studying the stuff in another big war buff, although I'm getting Morceau but reading up on this stuff, like the old wars, are so much like the boardgame risk, yeah that'd, startling yeah is literally when you look at the stuff. It's like moving troops to where you think people are gonna attack. You write and rolling the dice a bit and, if you're right then great, if not your screwed, very much so, which is why such a huge shift their seeing now in the inn and moving the unconventional warfare. Is that scary stuff, I think pretty much all wars, scary, yeah! Well, of course I am not saying like normative. The cake, Walker, even kazoo, they're, going on man. I was saving private Ryan again, the other day hard. It's crazy that things almost a snuff film,
It is not as bad as we were soldiers, which is a snuff film by its. I never saw that when the male Gibson we're dude, it's it's the most graphically violent mainstream movie ever made. Really yes well yeah like there's a part where their steer, They have a shot, a camera shot over this guy shoulder right now. If so is helmets in the in the near foreground, and that guide takes a hit the head and like blood spray, covers the camera loans for the next like little while, while his brains discover the camera, it's disgusting did you like saving by remaining in the bed- it's great movie, but it is like really like vile. That's another thing about giving orders that stuff affects you more and more. The more you coming terms. Euro mortality, the more valuable life becomes, the more valuable, even a character. Movies life become generally that stuff gets to agreed. It's called grown up, my friend I'm becoming human and economic growth.
our aid. So on September, twenty ninth nineteen, thirty nine as a director of british naval intelligence name, Admiral John Godfrey, and he distributed something called the trout member and it was written by his assistant, lieutenant commander, informing familiar name, yeah creator of James Boy, that's right, the guy! I think most people know that he served this point. Madam, if you didn't that's a nice little factoid for you, so He wrote the chop memo and they called it. The chop metal memo because They pointed out in the intro that this that the trout fishermen fishes very patiently, but he changes venue frequently any changes as bait very frequently too, and so they wanted to their charged with deception. They wanted to come up with all these different ideas. All its different bait venue changes that they could come up with you, and this was a time too. We should point out that spying, spying is
is vital, but manner were too it was going on all over the place and a huge, huge part of the war right. So we need to do on the Enigma machine by the way. At some point we do that's one of the unsung heroes in this declaration. Absolutely arts the trout memo inflaming road, while co authored fifty one different operations, suggestions and number twenty it was one called a suggestion- parentheses, not a very nice one. The following suggestion is used in a book by Basil Thomson. I'm so pleased that you said Beth pay Sophia. In fact, that was a nineteen thirty, seven hour, novel the mill milliners hat mystery, and he was actually you what war once by a really talking together, he was a spy rider that inflaming the creator, James Bond Doug,
crazy. That's where this original, so here I am getting excited. That's right. The following suggestion is used in a book by Basil Thompson Colin, a corpse dressed as an airman with despatches in his pockets could be dropped on the coast supposedly for parachute that had failed. I understand there is no difficulty in obtaining corpses at the naval hospital, but of course it would have to be a freshman So the idea is, let's get a dead person. Let's dress him up, like a soldier. Give him some sensitive documents that leak this invasion. Fraudulent, fraudulent yeah variable leak? The invasion of Greece garage is not really happening and they're going to mount up troops there and will actually go in Sicily, they're, going to find this body they're going to think they've stumbled upon this great happy accident and we're going to fool them that was the. That was the whole idea. That was the general basis of Churchill loved the idea because appear
He liked what he called corkscrew thinkers right, because he knew Hitler thought in a straight line, yes, and by corkscrew thinkers. I think that would be our equivalent of outside the box exactly here to court. Churchill's like this is great. I loved her. Let's drink some scotch, do it look like a bull while we data, so they the or that idea was roughly outlined by informing and then the the Churchill's corkscrew thinkers the x x committee. by you and Marty. You generally yet, which is his name, is not spelled. Chummily now has spelled. Are you ready for this year? Charles C h, o m o Andy A l e why pronounced Chummily, apparently when he met people he would say looting.
Charles Chummily see AOL ammo and De L E. Why? He would spell it out what he really yeah Are you making fun of me here? It is therefore not enough. He was a very Corky guy and I tell you- and he described himself is toothpaste as if it had been squeezed from the tube he'd self described. He would go hunting with a revolver. Bird hunting, a weird guy, actually watched a quickie Buzzfeed video on this and they pronounced it. Charles Cholo delay. They re really nice, like mine, where we did our research exactly shut out the Busby, so you and Montague right yeah, the other guy, he is no worthy in a number of ways. To apparently used is the greatest guy ever most interesting man on the planet and actually wrote the book. The first book on operation minced meat because he was one of the people who came up- this and implemented at the man who was never there, the man who were wise, get right
So I'm a movie to be of the same name yet stirring, Montgomery Clift. I believe now staring cliff clay. Web cook, Clavering Cliff web, but not Montgomery, Cliff, thus to a virtually interchangeable, her so were you in Montague was already notable because at school he and his brother had created the rules for ping pong. Nowhere near at hand another among other things in his brother equally interesting. equally ran bunches, went on to become a spy for the soviets. Allow yes, so he turned yes against England. Yes, while Instead, we body, except for the Soviets. Well Montague was he was formerly a barrister, an attorney and dumb. This is why he actually did not go serve on a ship,
and the other guy chummily, never flew a plain. One was air force, one was Navy and apparently Montague was as an attorney was very good at just seeing all the angles. So they said you, Sir, are perfect for this job nice by asking a lieutenant you know everybody. There are plenty of streaming services that you just turn your brain off too, but then there's one dream. The streaming service. That, below your mind, away, that's right, wondering in his
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led by you and Montague and Charles Chummily here that part of my five, I believe, ok here said we're. Gonna take this particular the really run with it and, like you said there are going to have all the first thing. They did start setting about creating a back story yet while they had three months so that the clock is ticking at this point, because here's the thing they set the invasion right in January and they said the invasion four July. Now you needed enough time to plant this. This corpse this fake, dead courier yeah, that ended nazi hands, yet it will give the with enough times of the day the Nazis could digested analyzed decided, was truthful and then react the way you wanted them to wait that they had no later than may, or else this plan was out the window.
You wanted them. The ultimate goal was to have the Nazis, put their troops in the wrong place, and that takes time right, so they they bade looked around and they decided that the best place to carry out the operation with Spain and Spain. Durham war were too was allegedly ostensibly neutral but they had a lot of access, sympathies, alot of connections to Nazi Germany and There was a particular nazi agent s by working in a port called well, whoever, whoever right sure and his name was Adolph class in aid of Klaus was known to be very methodical, Thea, pretty Bruce brutal and ruthless extremely gullible. Yet he was a straight line thinker. He quietly he wasn't one that good think outside the box and think maybe this is an elaborate hoax. The big idea,
in own a real corkscrew. You know like a targeted this guy at the top of the I'm bottles yeah they specifically targeted at which is amazing, so they wanted this. Guy, who was fairly gullible, but also known as like a very respected, not see agent in Spain too, the one who came up with this corpse and could ever attract so before they ever had any corpse or could ever anything like that Montague. and an chummily start setting about creating a back store in with a created this, I named major. Martin ways aren't William Martin, that's right
the major, William Martin. I created this whole persona, and this was the first time they done it they'd. Actually they had chops with this kind of stuff here, so they had created a fake spy network that made Nazi Germany think that they had a whole doubles double agent network. In the UK and all of them were fictitious. Not real people that you in Montague in and Charles Chummily had created these fake persona us the made in FED the Nazis. Miss him nation through these people. I didn't really exists, so they took that their understanding and that thinking of what it takes to create a fake persona and they about creating one for major www. Martin yeah enough, if you there's a great BBC documentary on this. In the interview a lot of the players, including a lot of the women who worked, it am five in the office and they were all so delighted that they all described this is like the most exciting adventure. They'd ever had I'm sure,
was like something out of a spy novel and they were living it right, and so they had great fun. Creating these characters that these made up people. They wanted to give him a fiance, because the idea is that they find this body. With what not only these documents, in a brief case, the important documents, but to make it believable He had to have believable what they called pocket litter or wallet litter right, which is, if you find any person on the street, asked open there. While you can be able tell a lot about them, they just have to legitimize it, so they sell a scheme of and all the women in the office wanted to be the fiance no yeah, so they all submitted photographs. They pick this. one lady, Jean Leslie Secretary. Ok, that's the lady on the beach, yes, but in a bathing suit. On the beach said, this was going to be planted on his body They all wanted to write the love letters back and forth, but they picked a woman named Hester Laggard, the head secretary of, in my view,
and she wrote out, even though she was a spinster, she wrote all these like heartfelt love letters there. The first couple drift a really dirty like tone, this sound a little earlier. The is that what you think happens. Relationship so that even lady ceremony excited in the office chum is wearing that what would eventually be uniform of Martin every day to give it that worn in La Gotham MA you actually ended up having an affair with the secretary who gave him the photo as if the answer that a real life affair as bill in PAM Pam as the made up fiance, yeah. I got a little weird. That is a little we like they rode each other love letters at a real life affair, calling each Bill and PAM ha. So those unlike strange roleplaying
sure he was married at the time his family had been shipped to America, so he was not doing the right thing. There cheese he was. He was allow some that department or you know, also Roald dahl- the guy wrote Jameson Zion PETE jailing of victory. He was a spy for the british. He was in the british military in his whole job was to basically bed the wives of american officials here and wash really did he do so. Oh yeah, oh, oh, he made his way through Washington diary, while apparently with great zeal are so their cooking up this back story. They other great things for the wallet letter like theatre tickets, stubs Anna overdraft letter from his bank indices, things that make it seem like super realistic right and what else the vague he game a saint, Christopher Metal. Maybe they wanted to strongly imply that he was Roman Catholic and that'll come up very
become very important men, yes, very much, so they get this Baxter and apparently like this, they were working feverishly stuff having the weirdo affair, wearing the uniform all its up before it even gotten final approval, just because they didn't want to stay, work and then he pick it up. Feverishly wanted this to to keep going, so they finally got final approval from Admiral God free to carry out this thing for real. And when they got final approval. They said, okay, we need a body and they figured no problem. They were looking at first. They they needed, somebody who who had relatives that didn't what happened to the body after death and can keep their mouths shut near they need a body that was military aid, sure didn't have any signs of visible trauma right. More than one over by a bus right or of scurvy sure, and that that preferably
They would have died of pneumonia, the reason that they were to dive pneumonia because the they were going to make it look like this guy had been in a plane crash, but it survive the plane crash, but it around see right if he had pneumonia than is, fluids would be filled with long, so that when the Spanish conducted an autopsy item, fluid the yeah exit so that when the Spanish conducted there, all types of they below is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Have you ever seen fluid filled with lungs, but that's how much fluid there? Unless the problem is They didn't get their hands on a guy with Pneumonia, they didn't even know exactly where to get a person at first it was an until they turn the guy, who ran the more get Saint Pancras Hospital, which is the worst hospital name of all time. They turned him and got him to assist them that they finally get their hands on a body. Yet his name was serb.
Sir Bentley Purchase, which is a great name great british thing, and it was, he was a corner of the largest mortuary at Saint Pancras Terrible and he had apparently wicked sense of humour. There was pretty complicated to give direction to his office. So what he gave Monti the directions he said or you can just get run over by butts. nice man, the British, during more time where there have been a bladders sense of humour, was wonderful, so they got Bentley purchase and he said I ve got a dude His name is Glinda or Michael yeah. That is not how that spell either. Now it is De L. Why? Indeed w are super welsh? Yet the Welshman born in nineteen o nine, his son of a king, minor. His mother killed himself by stabbing himself in the throat, I haven't read that,
A word is an old man and it didn't say, like slit, your throat said he stabbed himself in the throat right, which is weird and sat chief. Does dad died when he was a teenager? Mother died when he was thirty alcoholic. I had a rough go because a depression and was basically basically killed himself by ingesting rat boys, so there is not necessarily resolved, wet weather or so idea, so they were there. The Bentley purchase rode down that he take, kill themselves yet was rule the suicide ok, but the way that he ate the rat poison. It was on a crust of bread, see this hunger they wondered so he he may have been so destitute that he ate across the bread that he found in an abandoned warehouse in it was smeared with rat poison and that's what he died of while. But they found in this cold January night in nineteen, forty three in this abandoned warehouse in London and he had just eaten some rat poison, but he survived for two more days yet and so
Bentley purchase, guys, hands, I'm and said. I think I found your guy deeds yeah and they did there were some issues, one of which is they needed a photo of the guy for an idea. He didn't have any photos hook and every time they took a picture of the dead guy's face. They were like he looks like a dead guy here really, so they scout see your fingers holding, so they scoured London. for a look alike and eventually found a guy and a fellow intelligence officer who looked just like em ass. They used his face. Ah sir, the idea saw coming together Yes, it is I'm sure they were like, while Providence has really smiling on yet and if you're feeling bad for Glinda or just hang tight D. I still think you can. ever Glinda. Well sure talk about a rough life, yeah yeah cheese Do you remember that one live or Robert Duvall was like super special guessed? He was
even hosting or mentioned now, just showed up on this game show called whose more grizzled nowhere Any talks about like salmon Garth Brooks ahead, I'm asset and he talks about how one one call winners. His wife died. Yet keeper out and barn until the ground, thawed to weaken barrier out back. there is some weird like there wasn't really funny. It was more like, while that really is hard, but the whole game show was whose more grisly Asher anyone, of course, does Robert EVIL yeah he's more grizzled than Garth Brooks or Chris get easing even put, not Poorgrass books. Would you talking about the time of the Chris gains? Think he chose to do it. He's a wealthy man feel too bad for him. No bad think there was evidence that he was surrounded by yes men at the time. There was a weird thing, the near he faked a soul pair,
Are they wouldn't even real? No, I mean, even if it was real, was part of his character. The picture now that you mental Shoppy, maybe the hair was definitely colors sharply our aid somewhere. Where are we here? We ve got a body. We finally got the photograph of Em give witches. That's amazing. I didn't know that part here and there's another thing. We found this awesome the military analysis of it. Yellows chemical somebody wrote a military analysis of this. I don't remember whose I can't get a shot out but will put in our podcast base, but they point out that one of the reasons this was so successful. This operation was one these guys at excess, committed, execs committee. free run to break the law. Bend, morality do all sorts stuff, they just were able to go, do their thing, but the other thing was that they re
we kept this earlier on this stuff and it was all emanated on a needed no basis. So when they had this guy, they had em they had they got. Glinda were kept him on ice for three months as they finishes, backstory their run up against like go time, and then I think in NAM February or March or April, maybe I'm not sure the date do. You know that what happened when they finally carried out operation mincemeat, let's to say spring, because I know they kept them on ice for a few months yeah and they so they're up to the point where the decline. is about to give away that this guy didn't just recently die yet, and that was a big fear that the spanish coroners would be able to tell to ok, which will come up
Ok and there also getting to the point where their reaching the end of the amount of time that they need to give the Nazis to absorb this misinformation sure so they. Finally, they they get the guy's persona place, they have the body and now it's time to actually carry out there. agent and like I was saying they kept a lid on all of those are needed no basis, so they got their hands on a sub commander. Who can keep his mouth shut in the gave him a metal cylinder with the corpse of Glinda, Michael now major, William Martin, you, when you say subcommittee You mean submarine, yes, not a commander below, regular commander, subordinating command given the cylinder, and they said we're. Gonna tell you what's in here. tell anybody else so, apparently, the people staffing this sub bum without this was some sort of whether buoy yeah, it was marked optical insight
but you're right. He was only one aboard supposedly that knew. There was a body inside Europe and they put a life jacket. Item stuffed amid the cylinder put him on the sub and took him over to Spain under us on a submarine Willis backup for one. Second, because we we forgot to cover the main letter in all the black case, really import. This was that all of operation mincemeat it did not hinge on theatre tickets, stubs or bank overdraft letter sets merely pocket litter. hinged on a letter hinting strongly that the invasion was gonna, come up through Greece, Sardinia right, and that was the only thing to it. Wasn't like official document invasion is going to come through Greece. Yes, it was alive, from one general or admiral to another, high ranking guy think General nigh they they composed a bunch of different letters themselves and violent said. Why don't you write it? Yeah in Europe,
words in your own language, in your own handwriting area. So it really was written by this. This sum ranking? U S, military official or british failure official who, who crew, who wrote this fake ladder, and he made a joke about sardine, a terrible joke which was the little head right. That was just clever enough to work right, and so in it. It basically says where coming up with. You know we're going to strike through Greece, that's where the invasion of Europe's gonna be yes, but also owing to tell everybody that Sicily is the cover right right, and this was a stroke genius earlier because in this this false letter, normally Is it show that they're coming through Greece, which they weren't here? But it says that Sicily, the cover which would make
the Nazis, think that anyone ever did actually illegal real invasion plan of Sicily. Here the Nazis would think that that was misinformation issued. It was so ingenious, that's crazy genes and I think about here now chuck. We get to the point where we should talk about the my machine and the role it played right, yeah. Well, basically, we now that the editing Enigma machine was he code, raking machine invented in the UK to decipher? while the Enigma machine wrote the code, I think I'll read the code yeah deciphered code, though they had gotten, they deciphered it at Berkeley, part break the Enigma machine was the actual code right. Being the encrypting machine. Ok, I could be wrong by ok. Well, so we definitely do upon guest on his were mixed up already to get it. but at any rate the long, a short of It Beckley Park Beckley part, I always say: bloodshed,
I was, it was an Ellen there. I draw the whole ugly word out: they basically had they could. It was like reading the Nazis, email, essentially alike, a daily based on an hourly bay hourly basis. They knew exactly what was going on, so they would know if they were buying this whole thing as it happens in real time, but even before that they were able to craft this. This misinformation based on the Nazis assumption, so everybody wants to hear that there is assumptions that their beliefs are correct. Yet people are more apt to buy things that confirm their suspicions or their beliefs already right. Yet Hitler was worried about Sicily. Here he was so Heath. He already thought that Greece is gonna, be where we invaded yes and then. Secondly, he always heat. We knew he had heard rumours that Mussolini was gonna be toppled soon, so he was reticent to commit troops to ITALY Cecily right. So this
This revelation that came in the form of this letter. This fault false letter, yet completely supported everything that Hitler and the third Reich believed as far as european invasion was gonna go and were able to do that thanks, smarties virtually part great yeah in this letter to as it has another wilted bit they a single eyelash in the folds of the letter, so they would know when they eventually got this letter back. If there was no eyelash, they would know that the Nazi said in fact opened it and because the idea
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and working in today's world at IBM Duck harm slash. Think because Richard we're at sea aboard a submarine Ali down here, dark it is and you're not supposed to be smoking. Cigars, no, you know despite Jean Hackmen doing it and crimson died how what a bad idea so we're off the coast of Spain or off the coast of whoever nigh uneasy words to say. But it's important Spain and again. This is where Nazi agent, Adolf Klaus, yet the kind of one afloat, the body right up to the skies backyard. Basically, so they did, he was released from this canister I read somewhere else that the canister itself,
fired on with submarine sub machine guns on a sub. Seek is calm, machine guns they're here and it was sunk and the Howdy drifted off toward a regular. I thought they just dump the body yeah, I'm not sure. If I found a book on Google books just like from two thousand and seven, and it was a history book and it made it sound like the sub the people working sub all knew what was going on, but it's a start, a stark contrast, everything else who say so they may or may not have sunk the weatherbury who knows but either way Major Martin was released into the current that took em right too for web LE any went he was found by fishermen that same day yeah, and at this point the the Brits started, sending telegrams about a very important missing person. Frantic yeah like they one of these
intercepted obviously- and I worked as well- dissolve really going exactly as aid plan, so they said the British council, in Spain, in Hawaii, Villa or in Spain, to Hawaii Villa and said you need this. Is really important. You need to get your hands on the briefcase, find out what happened to this guy get your hands on his briefcase. Yeah and Klaus is going briefcase right. Monica pop out and the British Council in Spain didn't even know is going on here. They thought like this like they were. They saw everything from the same ass, the reality that the Nazis all needed no basis exactly so the british Council are trying to get this brief case kind of frantically and Spaniards were like you know what we are just going to keep this unlocked down for now. Always we investigate the whole thing, but we got it covered. Member were now Sure also your brief case is safe and the British Council said well. Ok, one thing is very important,
this guy was Roman Catholic. You can check out the Marilyn his pocket, so please don't dissect them. It's against Roman Catholic Beliefs, the additions to thy sector autopsy body. I hadn't, heard before be utterly the forties. That was the case in Spain, was weighed down with that Super roman Catholic, and they said. Oh yes, of course, we won't do that. So apparently that's how they got around the fact that Glinda hadn't died of pneumonia, yeah, the other way to get around it? Was they had a plant in the office who talk to the corners and was I guys it's hot, and this body is gonna, start writing real soon. So how thoroughly really want to make this and they said you're right. Let's go have some mug, some wine summah, but, like all over there Y know, what's the authority Sangree, yellows, gossips, angrier and knock off early, and exactly what have they got to the plan
So this is going on, but that there was a small wrinkle at this point the briefcase went to Madrid. Spain wasn't gonna handed over to anyone, but the Brits where to get it in the hands of the Nazis in there actually having trouble get into the hands of the Nazis and so on? Carlo coolant all he was Hitler's most trusted guy in Spain. He got wind of it and Canada over four Klaus was like I'm gonna get this briefcase he did nine days later after the body washed ashore the lead. ended up in the hands of the German. The German, you know worked his way up the chain yet to tailor himself Yeah. I went to girls first and girls, even in his diary. They found later had suspicions about it. Oh yeah cause he was a corkscrew thinker and he was like wait a minute. This is pretty convenient This is really fishy here, but he apparently never said anything to Hitler.
you get distracted? He wrote about his diary, kittens that did it. Do the documentary said that his thinking was well if Hitler believes it than that's good enough, for me at seems like bad idea, yet again Homeboy Carlo coolant. All there was always lot of speculation on why he'd just ran with it and didn't ask more questions. I was his job and it turns out his grandmother was jewish and he was very paranoid about this being found out. So he thought this is it of come upon the greatest find of the war and all mine so yeah. No, I ll ask any questions about me after this huh wow that worked out right they really, while the average convenient and thanks to the Enigma machine, with a new, the Brits new, pretty quickly that this was working and I get Montague and Chummily was sent an admiral Godfrey transmission that said opera
mincemeat swallowed rod, line and thinker yeah that when when the M is of course, in these older alike, are apparently you're nuts pussy elderly anymore. By the way we got an email, I knew that or seniors meals to call them older adults senior. I didn't know. That was a thank you, older adults, their energy and these older adults sees british Ladys at her in their aid now, and they were just also still excited. They said when they You know what the Enigma machine there are basically reading there emails and there are like there they They were buying, thereby in it, and everyone was just like flipped when that came through the office. It was too Psych party time, basically so the them up. She meant me really really worked really well so much so that parents, early killer, moved a Panzer division which totals about ninety thousand troops from Sicily to Greece.
And an all, but the artillery and armaments and everything not two soldiers. So long Cecily were going to Greece and then up came the allies through Sicily hundred and sixty thousand allied troops a storm Sicily. Seven thousand lives were lost, which is still a lot of people who died, but a pair As far as military historians are concerned, and I think the military the time there was a war, fewer lives lost than they expected yeah. they had pillar not swallowed operation, mincemeat yeah. They expected ten thousand casualties in the first three days and three hundred boats sunk in the first two days and ended up being fourteen hundred and that first week, soldiers and about a does ships, and that first week, so it's not bad yet, not only that, but it Another effect big one, the Soviets yet so this is
something that they teach in american history classes in. U S high schools that much the the operation husky or It was that penetration of Europe's underbelly right, yeah and suddenly Hitler's I'm about to storm Russia, but I really needed troops down here in Europe, because I got big problem here and then allowed basically Russia to topple the Nazi regime and Mussolini get toppled by the Brits yeah. It bit completely changed the face of the war yeah. This one idea, cooked up by me in Fleming in part, not crazy. It's pretty awesome yet other stuff. There's a book called operation minced meat by Name Brett Mcintyre. Came out into those ten. That's a very good, well cited book that we inadvertently cited here there,
is the man who never was which was written by you and Montague, which is not just about operation mincemeat, but also about basically how to carry out deception plans. I remember earlier, when I said, don't feel too bad for fur Glinda or Michael. Yes, even these said well. The dude died possibly of suicide because he was penniless in going nowhere, yeah, sorry about about that. But fifty years after he was buried in ninety ninety seven, the british government added they basically buried him with military honours. The Spanish did others yeah he's buried in Spain, but the British it came from the Brits I think, to do so his headstone came from the Brits, but the Spanish buried him with like their twenty one gun saluting everything. Yes, as Glinda Michael served as major William Martin R M Royal Marine, pretty cool to this alcoholic drink
who never served in the military ever served and military varied with full military honour here in completely changed the face of the war thanks to being a body that fit the the fit the bill and if you like, Ghoulish photos is a very famous photo of him being propped up in his life jacket and uniform. As there were. Basically loading amended the cylinder that you can see by searching I'm sure major Charles Martin attract Charles Martineau, William Martin Weir Martin, Something like that. I still want to know. What's going on with that weird roleplaying, there would do that's Dylan, PAM yeah Cause interviewed the lady MR like. Oh, it was all very exciting. Does a great british lady accident all older person, yet yeah, older adults are adult here all. If you want to get
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