They learned and welcome into short stuff. I'm Josh, there's chuck, there's jerry. Let's get to it I thought this is an interesting pick from you and I salute you because linking bombing them stem literally saluting you wanna see my hand I'm pretty good at it. Do you really are like our high and tight that as you and you didn't like the little snap where Europe has Barbara Jeanette ahead? A lazy salute so yes, let you because this is people think of hear the words Johnny Apple, see they hear that name. And immediately, they think of the Disney version or they think of folk tail, but The apple seed was a real dude named John Chapman, who planted apple trees, yeah one of those amazing awesome. Myths that turns out to be virtually accurate. Yes,

a mythical. No, not really. I mean there's only like some stuff about about that legend better. That is somewhat mythical, but really most of its pretty act it's like he had like a giant ox or anything that followed him around. Those blue know them using all Bunyan. Here is basically, I think the thing right. The thing that that that people usually get wrong in the retailing, with with their Johnny Apple seed is that he is basically like the world's first flower. Child yeah, and they used is basically like kind of traipsing along the frontier, the turn of the from the eighteenth of the nineteenth century planting trees. Just because he loved nature, there is not correct, and necessarily this guy did love. Nature is a business man who's. He was. He did this for at length, but out of a boy this sense of business for profit. You can say it sure, but he was not like any kind of hard nosed

hard hitting like a comedy housing break your legs kind of business ban. He would never double cross anybody or do something in business that would make someone else suffer. He apparently was well known for never ever remit being someone that they Oda debt Yachting. He believed that the he believed the good Lord would tell that person you need to go pay Johnny Apple, seek as you also my and it really didn't matter anyway, if you bother them because they knew They owed the debt and who was he D go bug? Somebody you make him feel doubt never knew or someone was going through. So he was that kind of businessmen and yet even with that mentality. Even with that attitude, he had everything needed in life and more, which was not necessarily substantial, because he used to say on a bed of leaves and little twig huts that he made of his own construction on the frontier. Let's talk about apples for a SEC, apples as far as we know started out in what we had called Kazakhstan today,

They gained a lot of popularity and Rome because they granted apples and a lot of fruit trees. If you want to grow and fruit, like you, are accustomed to elect. You want them to you, don't plan from seed, you? U graph them, which is when you take a stem with about on it and through magic, not technique as a gardener, but through magic. You, graph that onto another tree instead of planting from seed we'll get a more reliable outcome, especially in the case of apples, because early growing apples from seed. If you ever wonder red, delicious apple and you go a bittacy out into the ground, yearn it might grow into something it maybe I mean obviously seen apple tree, but it probably might be a red, delicious apple that you can eat no. Were called spitters apples grown from seed recalled spitters, referring according according to the sum

Sony an article that we found because they are- way way. Sour apples did not used to be like what we think of apples today they were very sour early someone's grown from seeds, they were sour and David, Throw said, did I mention they were sour Henry David, Throw said that they would put a squirrels teeth on edge? It's pretty sour, that's super sour and I love the way put it so folksy here and now he was a protein hippy I'll tell you that, but this these words trees, they Johnny Apple seed was plainly. He was planning em from seed, not from grafting barely one reason why he planted them from from seed and not grafting was because he was a member of the Us Weedin Borgias church, more work, work which young, which kind of held that plants could feel,

and therefore grafting was inherently cruel because it could conceivably create suffering in the plant. So he grew from seed right, like a break a while and well. I will come back and we'll talk about why John Chapman wanted to plant all these apples to begin with from seed right after this everybody. We want to talk about audible, which, just so happens to be the sponsor of the audible audio pioneer award at this year's Iheart. Radio podcast towards an audible, gives you the edge by keeping you informed, inspired and entertained on the go Right with the audible app it's easier to get more books in your life using the time you already have listen while commuted working out doing chores anytime

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it's funny, we don't know a lot about as early years. He was born in actually born of Massachusetts, but can have lived here. Life in Ohio. I think for the most part and which was the west at the time, which is funny and said right. Here's the deal the Ohio company Associate said are you want to go. I western, settle. If you want to and oh hi. Oh then you can get it, you get a hundred acres then you can get it. You get a hundred acres, but what you have to do, though, is you have to plant fifty apple trees and twenty peach trees in three years I guess, as an incentive to make the LAN rich with with plants. Well so does show that you plan to be there in a few years when measuring started bearing fruit, it was. It was a way to show that you meant to settle their permanently again

ass, we are, but it is not like build a house, I mean it s head and agricultural benefit. I see what you mean yeah. I guess that would have been part of it than to area, so he says aright. He sees a business opportunity needs like if I can start heading west from Pennsylvania, and I can get just ahead of the settlers and plant. These things like claim this to plant these trees in these orchards I can t around sell em at much higher value yet because the improved the land, he was the first one kind of in a way, I guess, but the other thing that I saw he did to was, he would establish our salaries in the area as well. So if, if you didn't buy, attract land that he'd already developed, you could also still do come in by his trees from him and did this for decades going up and down the frontier, because the frontier kept the cap grow

in turn further west and at first so me when he is when he first embarked out and in a minute we're talking. Ohio Ohio is the frontier there is. There is no United States beyond that. I don't think Ohio was even estate. Quite yet so he's walking up and down these unsettled plans, will a growing these orchards planning apple trees and then also creating nurseries, but at the same time too, He was also serving as a liaison between these income. Settlers and- the native Americans, who know now suddenly had neighbours whether they wanted them or not, and he apparently spent a lot of time learning the languages of the different tribes that he encountered and vague who to trust him, and so he became an advocate for the settlers, but also was able to the case for the native Americans too. It was just that kind of a guy.

He was there. He was dead, that's kind of the cut the cloth he was cut from. I bet he put his mouth around a piece piper to speaking as one of the first hippies sure are so he's going around his point now these apple orchards- and, I guess, presumably peach because he was required to but he's not known as Johnny Peach tree now to sample scene or peach seat. I guess and he here's the thing that with these apples like we said because he's planning from seed only and not acting them, it's pretty wild the lackey. It's like the one west Apple, wise, you don't know, what's gonna come up many too like you, said there much to sour to eat, but what they weren't to sour for is to make booze out of them in the form of cider insider was a big big part of frontier life. Right like they drank it, is apparently new. Englanders that transplanted out on the western edges of Ohio would drink coastal

announces of hard cider per day. The time when water quality was suspect in you knew could count on that cider right because of you alcohol exudes fermented, which means that any harmful bacteria been kill. It can't really survive in an alcoholic drink, great wonderful, so they would insider instead of water, which, by the way eleven ounces, is to take a bottle of cider. Today NASA not too much now it's not bite everyone drank it every day, instead of water. So there is still no a certain amount of buds going on. I'm sure and who knows what the alcohol content of the regulator worth thirty percent right, but that was I mean. That was why apples were used for. I think, Michael Poland said that up until problem shit. Yeah an apple in the United States had a much greater chance of being turned into hard cider than it did just being eaten and again it was because most apples in the U S were grown from sea

meaning there were sour meaning they were much better for cider than they were for eaten right and that's how it was again up until prohibition and one of the reasons why cider just kind of went away is because prohibition- apparently the feds, use it uptown apple trees are Lily s arm it's a kind of say no you're not going to make any site or out of this you hey seed hick, you have you got I'm gonna cut down the street run for face her exactly you like, cider loved the ads great stuff. My initial introduction decider was, you know, really sweet yeah, I guess the first wave. Resurging illegal back in college in those What was the one that everyone drank woodchuck yeah? That was it there. It was basically Zuma site or at least back then I've had it in a while. So maybe they can it is it? Is it not a sweet? Now I don't know that's why I'm here, in eight. They may have toned down not just regular hard cider. Oh yes, it is not supposed to

is, it was never spoke to be sweet. Those too weird anomaly, so I think the site or now is much closer to the traditional cider, which is its it's got like at TED, better sweetness to it. But it's it's definitely a lot more beery than than Apple juicy rapid my toe and cider pond once again do not do that just drink what we are doing anything else on this guy journey. I proceed here and I think I mentioned use a sweet, This man, he was a friend to the native american end, though, though european settlers, in check here, oh there's, supposedly tree in Nova. Ohio ran a farm, it's a hundred and seventy five year old tree, and some people believe that it is the the law remaining tree that can be found that Johnny Chapman Ache

a Johnny Apple seed actually planet, because again the prohibition, Federalist chopped all his other stuff down, amazing, Johnny AIR Proceed. Everybody drink it up. If you want to get in touch with this Sanderson email, you can do worse than that descended off to stuff podcast. A host of works outcome,