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People further I came out there. We usually Frankie things fairly neutral, but I came out hard against bullfighting on this because it is barbaric and awful. And I don't apologize for that- so I'm gonna put my chest up and republish this one right. Now I don't care about the tradition. I don't care about any of that. I just want people to stop fighting, so we get into the history of it. Then all that and nothing Josh was a little more neutral than I was very member correctly, but I guess I'm not into it. So let's go in Senor Hany mills. Now, if you want or emails of support your ago, how bull fighting works all over again, welcome to study should now run house two weeks time

hey, look into the podcast Josh Clark with resources, Charles W chirp bright, allay Chuck away right back at you. You do I'm great hurry, undue printing I've been learn a lot about full. Finally, I don't know if you mean for killing or fighting sculptured, it's not what I go or you could also call it a cord ito corridor for here again it because even Spain, now the view where I've been to Barcelona and then I thought the day my, which is the coastal town near Barcelona there in the coastal brother very nice. Have you been to let it ok, you ve ever seen a ball fight. No, I would not. I would not do that. Sir. I have seen it

If I tell you a hand to offend you even further Not only was it a bullfight, it started off with a cock fight. It was incurred current. I saw with my sister and my dad well, and it was crazy. Because we were we were there and it was a bullfight. I give wasn't like could have accidently walked into this thing like it was a bullfighter and, I would say, eighty percent of the people there were white, probably american, tourists coarser who booed and yelled and shouted things the whole time, and I remember thinking of of that one Simpsons where LISA, was having a nightmare about being. Second chairs for saxophone go band and am at the concert. Everybody was booing and she wakes up in things like while everybody come just a. It was exactly like that people came,

the blue, the bullfight. While that is one people who who say bull fighting is not good, of which I am one of them say that that's one of the only reasons both sites are still and going on is because of tourist Ogata that they're the ones by the tick in many times those tourist get there and their horrified and they leave early and think while noting that those been might yet, nor if no reference made exactly you just funded bullfight near exactly sucker couple acquits debt. Roughly two between two hundred and two hundred and fifty thousand balls are killed each year from both sites from bullfight settled, and I'm not sure if this is accurate, but the number I got was it. Fifty two murders have been killed since seventeen hundred I'm surprised as that few have you heard about Coolio up hurry GEO. I know it

you have a very strong constitution, Uncle Josh warned you against this one cigarette interface. Yeah aside, holy cow is almost like. The housing Photoshop is perfect. The horn, so Coolio upper each year was he fell down and Bore got the best, some Gordon it is with its horns with his horns: Hizbollah boy picture and what a boy per year and Gordon, under his chin in it through, is through his neck and then the horn came out of his mouth perfectly there and I'm a guy from getting images, got a close up of it. Like like fifty of theirs,

the of it. It is. It's amazing aims in the video it's on the Youtube and it's one of those so awful that you have to like sign in and verify your age before. You watch it got too and I would do not advise people a watch this I dont even advise. You didn't see the to look at the daily mail article that has, but it's pretty crazy. But, yes, it happens. Surprise it only how many fifty seven said at the start. I got was fifty two in the less you know three hundred plus years yeah, so there's not much of a fight gonna send matador is actually spanish were killer. So is it really yes, Sir Killer bulls for shirts. The whole point like there is really no grey area here like bull fighting is the purpose of it is to kill the ball yeah certain conditions are within a certain framework, but that's the point: a bull fighting, it's not anything, but that and if the method or fails,

killable that's on him and it is a huge disgrace. Netteke, that's a loss in its not break it right, but I, sir, I'm starting to suspect that you are opposed to bullfighting. Yes, there are a lot of people and apparently Spain's it- I mean in Spain, it's like a natural cultural thing. It's been around for a while, and even people who feel the same way. You do still say they used to be illegal? It's just too much a part of our tradition. Not everyone feels that way, the no definitely not they did. A Gallup poll in two thousand ten and seventy percent of Spaniards said that they were ready to do away with it. Oh really, yeah, that's a lot of Spaniards and that's up from thirty one percent, like fifteen years, we're so that in this modern day, people are starting to think twice about it. Well, that's. Let's talk about this took the talk about how long people

fighting Bowles on the iberian peninsula we dont know for show, but There is evidence of bull rituals dating back all the way to fifteen hundred BC. Neither my simians apparently used to leap over bulls, richer, Jeanne it was like a thing and they are always revered. You know as like these godlike creatures yeah, which is why, yes, I want to kill him with. What's the tourists one tourist is that the is added an extra logical sign, yeah, of course, Pretty ancient the article points out that the Visigoths rule of the Iberian peninsula from fourteen fifteen to seven eleven, no for fifteen what s a fourteen, fifty four if the into seven eleven had men on horseback fighting balls which

into mounted bullfighting, which Rihanna NEO, which still exist in Portugal, yeah horseback bullfighting. Were they kill the bull outside the ring later on right. They they weaken it to a certain point which is the equivalent of killing. The ball is for. I guess, there's some point of no return that the Portuguese understand and they like a keyboard were done, come outside and then at that, but as anyway, whose opposed bull fighting will tell you that's not any more humane according to assist out site of the spectators right. So you ve got what does it re high Rihanna Rihanna Rihanna Ale? and then bullfighting itself. As we understand it today was firmly established in even by the eleventh century, and it came about during festivals. Specifically, one festival called a fiesta. This

Information and anybody's bend a pump. Ilona will recognise that because that's where the running of the bulls takes place in wind in July now I was it so I seventh the fourteenth when it used to be September and then in the sixteenth century they moved to July. And ever since then the running of the bulls has been held, but it's been going on since long for that and it actually started with a bunch of ranchers in their kids. Moving the balls from like their pens too about, half a mile to the arena, rent and then people or to running alongside arm in hunting, evolved into the running of the bulls down interesting new else? the spanish military leader, MID eleven. Injury. He was one of the first to actually be

it into the arena and make it the sanction creta, but which was government sanctioned, is today at least manifest back then imaginable and financially supported by governments to fifteenth century. It was a big part of the aristocracy until Queen Isabella came along and said. This is not cool. I don't know why she was against it probably cause she was an animal over, I would say, is probably a good idea in Pope Pious five I almost said v8 he bandit, but that didn't last very long only about eight years cuz people were into it pretty pretty big time and then in about the I guess in the one thousand. Six hundred is when that that hold divergence between horseback and foot Both bullfighting took place yet, and I remained sport of the aristocracy until Philip Thee

came along, and he said you know what this is barbaric. You would have to be a low class barbarian to engaging bullfighting. So if you remember my court, you get caught doing this all shoot unity. And the aristocracy said what we want our knees intact. So we're gonna stop doing this and at this point, bull fighting transferred from a kind of highfalutin snooty, time here too the they pastime of the people, the national sport of the spanish people, s true and from that point on it it it stay that way yeah, but they are they. The I must point out that there are arenas in Spain that still have the royal boxes for the royal family to attend these things so as Conway completely as far as it goes. So Spain is the heart and life centre of bull fighting, but there's other places that detailed, obviously,

I saw it in Cancun trip and, if your bull fighter, you can follow at the season pretty much year round and get work at your good, they haven't France did you know that I didn't but I saw that it's been it was banned in the UK. Had no idea. Anybody was fighting bowls and in Germany has gone on all over the place is crazy by their dismay, sensitive what happened in Germany. If the Visigoths are the ones who introduced into the Iberian peninsula because they were Jim and people from south of the South, Norway will call you south way. Look at you. I think, got so we'll walk you through what happens in a in a Cote DE in this white washed article version, but before this ever happens, I'll walk you through the couple of days before the ball even gets to the ring This is especially true for me, that is, the ball is now in aggressive,

at all, but likes to hang around in two grass and smell flowers, sounds like going and all fighting propaganda to me now Ferdinand the bull sick, ass. We creature they actually are not aggressive. There only get it Somebody if their threatened and angry yet, which is what bullfighting all about sure so in the two day, prior to the bull, showing a bid. The arena there abused. They are basically mentally, destroyed versions of what a bull should be, but a livelier there you're fat full while they do fatten them up to make him slow. That's a big problem and you can call somebody out for that, they have wet newspaper stuffed in their ears, so they can't hear anything. A vaseline rubbed on their eyes, so their visions blurred in their eyes taped open. So they can't sleep They stuff cotton up their nostrils, so they can't,

very well and they stick a needle through their genitals, that'll that'll. Take anybody off They run this caustic solution on their legs, which makes the bull not be able to balance. And keeps or from lying down ever they strap their horns to the ceiling of their transport truck to take them on their long hot journey to wherever there going and for the two days before they keep a man and a box away. I'm sorry, that's not They give them drugs till either pepper slowing down to us to keep him in what restate. They want them in and give them laxative to just obviously make things even more uncomfortable gotcha. Then they put the bonnet and this dark box for two days to design in the bull finally when they open the box. There's a light at the end of the tunnel that the bowl thinks my God

and finally, getting out of here runs to the light and all of a sudden there in a bolt ring right and there's trumpets and fanfare and people cheer and the bulls. I go cool, huh, huh, hey. How are you doing I've been through some rough times lately, some of that stuff. I think if you we found out you would be disqualifying immediately robustly doing stuff that slowed the bull down or made it less danger, Yes, the ball ring is a ring for a reason. Bulls would want to go, try and hide in a corner, but the ring the circular ring bold, confuse in a bowl to wear it can't hide anywhere. Have you ever seen a foot into that bull that, like makes it up into the stands by

James up name is in the stands like on top of people is crazy, was at ball runner test you get that joke. Ok, so the different acts, a believer called persicos, yes avoid, Sir and there's three of my yes or three of them and the that's three acts in a fight in a courier Yes in a bullfight here, and there is no suspense going on either by the way they all go down. The same way abetted suspense will for the bull, so the the bull comes out, the first act or what at one. Ok then act one there are guys called picketers. Yes, there mounted on horseback and they are basically, I guess, low level tornadoes you're both fighters.

Because both matador is not the only kind of bullfighter? He is the cream of the crop pinnacle of bull fighters. The well paid rockstar, yes, but he works for the crew of peak odours, who shut up in the first act and banned Ill Louie arrows, yes, who sharpen the second night, but the peak adores. What they do. Is they lance the bull by between his shoulder blades around his neck muscles? In the whole point of this chuck, you'll love, this one is to weaken the neck muscles so that the bulls head hangs so that the mandatory can get to heart more easily yeah. It also hits a gland in the neck that releases adrenaline apparently crazy, so they left, the bull three times and where's the blade around to ensure maximum blood loss. We met adores will now come in. They will fight individually later on, but they all come in at first in the first act with their capes, and this is in fact for the bullfight

it's an afternoon of their six balls and three matador, yet matador fights to balls and each bullfight takes about fifteen or twenty minutes. Yes, roughly, so they come in with her little capes. To do their little maneuvers to draw attention away from the peak adores and the peak adores oh and hide behind their little walls yet had these interior walls that They can hide behind whenever the bowl starts to get too dangerous. They run and hide behind these walls. Yes, or if this were America, they'd picketers redress, is clouds and hide in barrels, but look at Rodya. It will do a radio broadcasts. Some point: do we have to ensure that not everything that kill the cows and already has so the particulars led the ring the matador leave. The ring active begins

and the Bandit Ii Arrowes. I know it's a tough one year thing out all night there, basically bullfights assistant bullfighter, but their foot, yes, and if you ve ever seen above utter a picture of bullfight, both seem to have some crape, barbs sticking out of them. That's the band Ellie arrows work, yes, and that is called a ban Darius and it's a barbed dart. That's adorned coat colorful. The bulls are the only things dying in this episode, and so is the spanish language, because mercury. Drawing I'm trying this of course further weakens the ball so the mighty matador doesn't have much work to do so that the ball is still there risks they run in circles at this point to to get at nice and dizzy and confused right. The manager

comes out for the final act, and he has ten ten official minutes to kill the bull yeah well to do little showing off first and then killed a ball after the ten many worrying after the ten minutes, he gets a visa It is a warning first morning, after three as he gets another one and then it gets a third one. So he has a total of in actuality, fifteen minutes to kill the bowl, or else the bulls led out alive and the murders discreet but for the most part the manager is going to dispatch the ball and arm. He does it if he first start using the cape and keeps always held the left. And is it s all right hand? Did I did not I was looking in, I could even tell it there were there. The cap was kind of clumsy old and left him. There still falling in the left hand that, while the sing. So maybe I'm gonna see whether practice with the right down on you, but you have a cap on one hand, you have a sword and the other. Yes,

and the point of the cape by the way, which should you to this now sure capers always read because red angers, bowls right now Balls are colorblind, so they're not angered by red or any other color. Why does get them is the movement of the cape and sticking swords in their neck? That's another thing that get some go under annex it is not necessarily true by the time the mandatory comes out. Sometimes the arm. The ball is really tired from blood loss in being tortured for a couple of days, therefore some and so the mandatory really kind of has to work to get it riled up again, even though the bulls dislike to kill me matters like not. Yet we have a crowd to please. First or eventually, after the cape work is done out that capers read by the way to high Boyd stains. Once the cape work is done, the man a door will-

once the cape work is done, the matador will, as the ball runs, passed him upon the sword in between his shoulder blades and what's called a s Jakarta which is, will suffer the balls I order, and that will be that almost immediately for the ball the balls I order, and that will be that almost immediately for the ball. If it's not dying correctly, then the bull can be an even more tremendous pain as it bleeds out, but to protect against this abandoned era will come out and immediately. Deliver any any yet another thrust of a blade. The ETA make sure the bulls dead with appointee with more knife. Ideally they kill them with one blow that rarely happens because, apparently mad adores so great at doing that any the ever, were

and a lot of times the bull lives even through the smaller knife plunge and he's still alive when the ears and tail or hook or cut off and presented to the matador. No usually there's a theirs in another fail safe where these bring a tractor run the bull over of tests to make sure that its debts, not only that doesnt work than those that people come down from the stand as a start, shooting it that's not, It's not funny, because it's not true and made times do survive. Hanging on by a thread their lungs punctured to their bleed. Like. Drowning in their own blood in like vomiting blood through their nose and mouth, It's a whale dying in flurry. And sometimes they will take it outside and skin it, while its even still alive yeah, that's a kind of hers tradition. I saw the ball after the bullfight, it was pretty said they dig taken.

All right outside and um. They'll dress it and then sell the meet at the stadium, which is customary and very strange, but that one of the aspects of bull fighting. If you ve ever wanted a bull Berger and you wanted to eat it right after you saw die, go to a bullfight in Spain. They will drag the bail out with me. I attach the chains and I don't have the billing. When you heard the apparently the people will enough. Who in throw beer cans at the ball at the end and enough that's what you are it's a bit depends. So it depends Nana now, that's was there, the man a door, the battery errors, the doors, there were about doing all country of Mexico confirms this. Their boots, whereby no, it depends on board if the When was a worse than I could see. The fact

throwing beer cans at it. There is also there an aspect. This that cannot be denied that a bull that shows great bravery, anger, spirit, spunk, really try to kill the Macedonia or the banjo euros will be very much revered the people in the stands and gruesomely Vill brain out for victory, lap being dragged meals in a circle around the arena. After it's dead or apparently, while it still dying, people will cheer the roses for it, and there is in Is it a em, there's a rule where they out or the manager can ask for in India Leto the harm. It is a reprieve for a particularly courageous bull and the president of the of the young bullfight, the referee can say. Yes, I give us bore,

Eve guess it such an awesome, ball we're gonna, let it live and the matador proceeds to with an empty hand, stimulate the death blow saying I could have killed the bowl, but I like also much right. I lobby D, get it released, one guy. The ball is taken away and put out the stud for the rest of its life, and there was one: it's very rare to get an invalid, yet There was one one bowl called man's and eat, though in eighteen, eighty seven he got in Andalusia because he go all three manner in the plaza that day. Well, that that will get you off right there do you get to go, stood for the rest of your life, Mr Bowe, horses are also abused, the ones it participate, their ears are stuff with newspaper went newspaper, their blindfolded and they said their vocal cords, so they can't scream out in pain because people don't hear that didn't want oil screaming. Yet people not like that, so they suffer the vocal cord. So the horses that are

You know trembling in fear inside this ring this bull, dont bark out and let people know that and if the horses are They take him out of the ring and patch him up in cinema right back in there were you getting this activist infer all over the place. I mean it. Not activists info it's how it goes down now it all just gonna has a certain ring to it. I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying like here. While I mean it coming out of my mouth, it probably sounds activists cause. I think it's an awful thing to do something like this gentle, but this is the these are the facts. new year's resolutions are very, very difficult to keep getting

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or go to the post office. Again, Ok, woollen check you love the next part where we talk about famous mandatory yeah, feel free So people been doing this since we said, like the eleventh century right, Elsie was possibly the first guy to fight a ball Anna, a and since then it's it's just become huge. Big business but the first real improbably only real golden age. If you call that a bull fighting happened from nineteen fourteen nineteen twenty and there were too many doors one Bell month: E Garcia

and Jose Gomes who fought bulls under the name whose elite, though, had a rivalry and dumb Belmonte Garcia was actually the first guy apparently to stand still or stand his ground when he was doing work with a bow right, rather than try to run away from the bull using fancy footwork that that erect style. You right here. The letter was his rival and the rival rears really going swimmingly. I guess for everybody, but the bulls, until whose leader was fatally gourd at a match that both of them whereat curse, and whose leader were fighting at in nineteen twenty and that ended the golden age of bullfighting you'll be happy to hear. He must have been small, the later years name is Jose, and I think, if your Jose in the call you whose Alito them into small like add that he thought to anything or little or no young cause, he started very young. I M maybe Lester. He starts

each thirteen and he was only- I think, twenty twenty five is twenty five when he died when he was gourd, so another whose gorgeous nay men while Rodriguez Sanchez, do you think that's like them? in the fathers names when it's two last name there's an e in and in the Middle EAST. I would think Well. Rodriguez in Sanchez hit the road. Yes together and the Santos together, you gamewell also known as mentality. Maybe so, and he was Gordon None, nineteen, forty seven, he was the top matador from nineteen forty, two nineteen, forty seven and eight is going and the end of his being the top matador was not coincidentally up here it should we talk about the bulls, because his very specific, what cannibals or fighting they're all four years old

No, I didn't do it and they are specifically bread to bullfight and they way about thirteen hundred pounds. You intrinsic that two kilos reference is five hundred and ninety kilogram strike and they are bred and rain. It is in this article says it there. I tested for bravery and ferocity and that if you pass that test, you become a fighting bull and that may be true sometimes, but matters like to make their money and they don't wanna, be gourd, so the high matador, as will request, re placid, docile bulls, just to keep the show going. It's a too that's what I thought I read ok, so I have to want to put on the show you know they wanna die too sure they don't. I wanted. I they want to make a few million bucks a year, you're doing it easy to because they get paid about a hundred grand a bullfight

and they can do and be thirty to forty or more, I know the o, the guy Belmonte I he had a record hundred nine bullfight and ninety nine Sola Second Rocky three. When he was fighting on the chumps just repaid People want a real challenge, but ultimately he did want a real challenge because he fight he fought Draco, while he fought clobber Langen in none three and through it was the russian there. Three was cleverly now. We are the first to wear APOLLO. The third was clever. Laying the fourth was the russian. I thought the news that a third Tommy Morrison and then the six was when he came back as a trainer. And the seventh was him in doing, and I say in which were to ours, no rocky through his deftly clever Lanka's. That was my favorite one. Ok until I got older, and I realise that the person was actually better when you know I thought

I would think that too, and then I went back and once it is in a dull. Unlike I mean it's pretty good, but there is too much character felt Minafer rocking movie. If yes, walls, a love story, when even a boxing, I'm with you, I understand, but it was a love story starring in written indirect advice, overstretched alone. That's right! Right back to the balls. Rules are never exposed in more than one fight. Yes, oh apparently they have very good memory. You're, so they learn how to out during the year the manager in there and their cape. So that's why they don't buy them twice and guess who test their ferocity for it. I guess the ones that are tested does turn on horseback said the bulls not like. Oh, I remember those capes. I'm gonna get you near. I associate you with wax. It is, what you in this article says that data they alterable. To make them easier to fight. But this I'm saying it so it's a very participatory sport. The spectators,

so we can ask for an into Lido. You can also change and your charge as somebody with fighting an altar bull. One that's over FED who fat and slow wonders horns have been altered because apparently, the tipps of the horns of a bull are very much like a cat whiskers, and if you remove that the bulls not going to have a very good sense of attics in a rather hit the than these manager. So if the crowd thinks that your careers like overpower, that's why I don't think it's quite as widespread either that or else bullfighting crowds of become complacent. Why things has definitely true well, because its eighty percent tourist, they don't know how to spot a fat bull in the very well may be the case, and they also apparently the way they stab them and where they stand them, they do so in order to make sure they charge straight instead of like I've, got a bad left.

All of a sudden, I'm gonna be go and left all their right all day so Chuck we mention that you can make a pretty decent living doable, fights. But you also mentioned dumb that there's there may be the death of bull fighting as it were. You think. That's really true. I mean seriously. People have been doing. This is the fourth century, and now the sudden just because of a bad economy and animal activism. Bullfighting going down it's starting to rally, evidence well the polls that the popular sentiment is changing in Spain over the past fifteen years. No one

Catalonia is the first region, a male in Spain to actually ban it in Barcelona is in Catalonia their words as big as Barcelona had not one to but three bullfighting arena is right and that took a feller plaza dealt thought that took effect actually just this year on January. First, they said like, let's finish, the toothache Levin season and then will ban it journey from that point day they had the last one ETA in September I think September. Twenty eight two thousand and eleven was last. Whenever was and that's it huge, but by even in Spain, they're kind of like the snooty Catalans likely they don't enjoy Bullfighting this made some quarters of Spain even more fiercely proud of it. The promise her like Madrid apparently is still very proud of their bullfighting rent, in two thousand in one of the state television station said we gonna ban coverage live coverage of it because kids can watch this on tv

They happen in the hours and early afternoon, hours and early evening, so they won't broadcasts until after ten p m. Now right. Well, there's a third They are a law. That said, you can't show animal cruelty and spanish television until after ten p m because of children, and so that's effectively band branch showing bullfighting in Spain, which is a huge blow to it. I guess economically or financially, because I mean about how many how much money comes from television deals sponsorships even get rid of it on tv thy. That's that now industry, and then there Also, they ve shown that there is evidence that government that the federal government of Spain is pretty much what's propping up bull fighting these days right because some there were what it went from a thousand bullfights into designated a eight hundred into

in ten in Spain and on that two hundred was almost exclusively the result of cuts in government subsidies, the small towns that can afford to put on a bullfight threat and so that means that yet the government's holding the whole thing up yeah. I read a couple interesting articles today? One of them was from a veterinarian and they have that at the bullfight on staff. I guess and this vat went on record as saying they did all this testing of like adrenaline nor adrenalin in all these different chemicals. The body on these bulls had just survived ones. It were dead ones before they went in and basically to prove that the bull suffers a great deal. There's this misguided notion that simple doesn't supper because their this magical creature I saw this one interview with have abandoned the euro and he said that a veterinary mrs translate I've seen him

had a veterinarian told me that the bulls have a special cell. In their body that prevents it from suffering and feeling Bain Snatcher, are you sure yeah there's no special sell that It keeps him from feeling vain. While it's a larger debate too, I mean like, I believe balls can suffer, but you know if you ve read David Foster walls is considered. The lobster can a lobster suffer is no section. Is the perception that physical feeling of pain is that the same thing is suffering we showed its not remember in our happiness, audio book, we talked about the difference between experiencing physical pain and experiencing suffering they actually utilised different parts of the brain right. So if there's no suffering is inflicting pain on something e g cooking, it is their cruel score point. It is, but I think both experience suffering its especially figure through what you described

yeah and year against bullfighting, and you want to do something you can email, the or mail embassies of these countries that still participate and tell them that I am not going to visit. Country amounting to spend my money there. If you still get to the small things do you mail me some wine. I can't make it over there some temper NEO at this. Go on record as saying this whole thing that it says it's part of the culture is just crap, while the spanish federal government would disagree with you, cause into doesn't ten and where a lot of people see as a response to the kettle. Many, a ban? The spanish government transfer jurisdiction over both learning from the Interior Ministry to the Cultural Ministry now so as an attempt to keep it from being banned as Gonna be here.

It'll be a tough part one but yeah. Apparently even Mexico now's entertaining the idea of banning it. In some other things, it work defended, is culture Genital mutilation and females which burning bear baiting, however, that bear baiting was popular in England up until the eighteenth century. That is when you take a bare like me, we bear around there like a clown not far off. You put it in a pit ends chain it to abstain and release dogs on it and the dogs kill the bear or the baron. Some of the dogs, so they release more dogs and people surroundings, people on is the bare gonna get eaten first or the dogs gonna get killed first and its blood sport doing. This is the same thing. You know that were bulldogs came from and that's where they get their name from Kabul, baiting area and bulldogs. You did not. Even

close to resembling what they do now. They are actually bread to be less vicious by making I'm sorry you're dumber more kindly your ma am dumber, but more cuddly. That's how? the modern bulldogs now, but they evolve from basically in the nineteenth century. Bulldogs, where where, where people breed is now where there are a lot of people being like when you need a widespread off the face of the planet's gone out of control, that you're crazy array scare on their killer He bore and then they managed to breed the meanness out of them, but a it Bob bull baiting to bowl baiting boy, just that have been taken at all over the place and well on bare baiting, actually stop. It happens in Pakistan and it Sir, it's terrific so too for me to you, people of Spain, Mexico,

ritual eyes, killing of animals for people to pay for an watch is low, outdated in just silly and cruel, and I say please stop from Chuck two year for me to you and one more thing. The whole notion of culture isn't that supposedly to advance your civilization in is in was to me like a positive things. Like culture, I mean what brings people together more than the ritual. Scaling down in writing. Wanting bullfight, undone, sir. Let me take without people who love talking and always wanted to play in a nutshell, PETE played since he was three and big,

his mom to. Let him stay on the ice. Why some nights he even slept in his happy skates PETE practiced in practice to one day when he was forty. Seven feet realized. He just wasn't that good, so he threw his gates in the trash, But then he heard how Geico proud partner of any Joe could save him money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out. Of soap box? So how do you feel that both any personal turning its great? If you want to learn more about bull fighting you want to learn more about bull, fighting or checks is on. You can type and chuck, or bull fighting in this, There's part has therefore start come in. I said, search bar was we time for listener mail, a very riled up, listener, mail! That's right! Now this is calm. I'm going to call this illustrator wrote us about the comics episode.

Guys, I'm and currently in illustrator Does he not have much hope for is to turn that feel now? I think it s a fact, as he does like digital illustration too. I guess I found it I guess what I was his deep in art school at the ART Institute of Boston. Their only so many times. I can listen to the same old. Our lady peace zones on repeat group like went on it's on the many things on gets, which song can't remember. I dug the song actually got the city because a bets on man I used to For that reason, the Earl fourteen you like that's the only good song in the whole city for the single I am now professional illustrator, but I also teach art HIV and was able with mini dream, when my higher ups from me about teaching a comic book class sweet so he's he started on this on the complex, and this is just something on the comics?

authority, guys talked about a word or two was long over and the new. The superheroes Spiderman fantastic for had yet to urge from the minds of Lee Kirby Deco. As result, comics were merely treading water and chasing from. Bad, bad westerns to romance to essentially horror comics or what really started to worry everyone. They began to put pressure on companies. Like you see, who had made their names and over the top or in turn D C, sickly jettisoned at stake in horror, comics and much onto a little humour, comic mad, but it was like gum stories guaranteed to drive me mad exile, at this point. Mad was published. Basically is a comic book. It's easy was looking ahead, its bed so real mad as a magazine, which is very different distinction. Is it always someone wooden under the code of authority.

Nineteen. Fifty five we were blessed with a very first man magazine, a very calculated move, since they were not heavily scrutinise like comic You didn't have to worry about the comics code and it's very small in it. I have to make a big. Comics illustrator in children's book illustrator, who says I cant do both thought you might know that your keeping me company during these long hours chasing the dream and this dude stuff is awesome and if you want to hire Gregg miraculous, you can get in touch with him at the Gregg Miranda Studio, which is the r e g m. A are eighty, eight s: dot com or readers, blood, Gregg, morasses log spot that come nice stuff is very cool. I tell them and keep him in mind if we created drawings, could you see joys? We need some Facebook timeline, drawing

If you want to hurt for free, negative divvied Maria, we got chastised by a graphic designer for holding that teacher contest email them back. Actually this is common them, yeah I was like you know. Most of these were amateur designers, nervous approach, thereby losing ground in mine and ethically forced anybody to dare do it, but there's there's a whole movement from designers about design contest being awful. What other industry basically asked for free work. As a contest was quote, loosely fiction contest the others all kinds so Spock's Turkey's there's a lot of stuff that people do for free is part of a contest bake off. Breaks off. I'm sorry and I saw some designers that say I don't agree with that contests. Make me better.

If you d, are inaccurate done in that's a ridiculous idea. Architecture as a field has been in contest mode for a century near more. Unlike gas, that's there's lots. Work put into it. There's a lot of work. Put integrating zone contests are everywhere. Think that's ridiculous things. Well, his point was his email me back and he was like well find. The contest is fine, but you should give them a cut of. T shirt sales. I dont disagree with that. Whenever we have, well now we are in no position whatsoever. Sir. That's all I'm due to fill up to me. They would get a hundred per cent of the teacher tales about that, but we don't get any Y know, but still we could if we could negotiate on their behalf, We were a little bit him for us to what a volatile episode right to the end. So I guess, if you want to express your activity toward us, that's cool. We can handle it. We ve been taken for years. You can know tweet to us it s. Why escape podcast you

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