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Welcome to stop. You should know how stuff works doc. In working to the park. Testa Josh clerk, the Chuck, the Chuck the check is on fire. How you doing to events in on this. Since yesterday we actually have not recorded in two weeks, and I have a feeling the judge had been planning a week. I just told you I came up with a yesterday. I was listening to your sweet voice. While I swear floors in my house dog here, you think of me. I thought like that. I thought it was your voice. It made me think of it. I thought man, I've been opening at the show, pretty boring wise lately. Well I'm glad you're talking about this now then yeah anyway chuck how you doing good. Sir. There has been a long time. Ok! So I'm you know it's stealing

season body. Is it yeah? Pretty much in November in really goes out through the roof. Fine. Now at black Friday it much more difficult, the steel Cyber Monday, but I see that comes around people love to steal people of the whole people up with their guns, knives, threats of physical violence, that kind of thing This is inspiring, yet it is actually it turns out This dealing season will probably be one. Than usual. Because there is a report released called the global retail theft brown. It was released in MID November couple weeks back the Gr Tb I'm a fan. I know you are, and it said that this year businesses of lost retail businesses and lost a hug in fifteen billion dollars worldwide from stealing from death. What what's up good. You have that forty five billion-

well because in our article it says ten billion. Ten billion is like an average. So that's a huge and creates is actually I'll. Tell you why usually the there, I guess, there's an increase every year and usually worldwide increases by about one point. Five percent. I wonder if that's in direct relation to the cost of goods increasing I've there That actually does has something to do that. In the same article I read this year. Six percent increase worldwide. Ok and in America, North America there's an eight point. One percent increase, while so people are just still right and they were the authors of the study. These. Better for retail research, apparently talk the cops talk to shoplifters, and said you know, what's going on, they talked a shoplifters, has a dinner people who ve been

did, for example, ok. I thought you met that had not been caught. Nearly this hang around bases in her like you, look like a shoplifter use, gospel or I saw what you did and I want report you if you enter these financially exactly and give me a saw book, wait. What is that a twenty thickly governments before thing to fibre the two so arm or no ten. I bet get some lesser? May I bet it's either a five or ten so check where they found from talking to these people. That there is an increase in the perception that Companies are making off with all this money doing while everybody else is having hard times and so that they can feel just I'd and steal it gotta and their seeing of much a rise in the middle class is kneeling. People who can afford stuff in just are paying rent and apparently this of this victim was crime that kind of it

their perception scenario from a giant corporation. In the United States we paid in extra four hundred and thirty six bucks, a household in consumer goods prices yeah! That's what happened yet. Same with credit card fraud was shrinkage along. I, yes, your credit card fraud, that's why I mean that's an all. Why but one reason why the engine- rates or so sky high, because people discharges and stuff and not pay it insurance fraud. It's always been. You know that stupid into that stupid credit card companies can take the hit, then the, but they don't although this should they, but they dont their ticket. Here they passed I will, of course they do. Networks were our slaves, Chuck suckers, anyway, I somewhere in that those those statistics. I just dumb, you know, spewed out there are a very tiny pop presented to that population. There are kleptomaniac power I feel like I just

gave birth to a watermelon where water Malea, yes, kleptomaniac is not exactly in fact, is not at all shoplifting. Shoplifting is the means by which you would perform your kleptomaniac, this an excellent, definite Chuck, and I read this article two and I know that that was not in there. There was a study special and is made up of all, though I would say you could steal from any one in that it be clipped made an ethical store get, but apparently it it is generally store, really or parties, but yeah. If you're gonna steal from another from an individual is usually at a party. I think Brown, but generally is retailers list what what Currency AIDS, kleptomaniac from shoplifters, well, is actually a definition as outlined by the american Psychiatric associations diagnostic and physical manual of mental disorders, right that says that they, the outline this criteria. Just the individual repeatedly fails to resist the impulse.

The items that are not needed for person use or monetary value, as everyone here The individual experiences tension before stealing, the intention is relieved after stealing and the theft is not to anger, revenge, delusions, hallucinations or impaired judgment right and, I think, the others. One more psychological disorders can't account for the stealing behaviors different. Other great psychological disorders are still play. Acting Joe and legislate, I'm going, cut the maniac. You are going to be a tool of lipstick outright. Ok, come on. Let me get in the character main, your your master, ok and there all right, so I'm walking into the store, I'm you know looking forces, glasses I intend to purchase and all of a sudden, I feel, is horrible tension. My stomach tight and serene sweat a little bit, because I just spotted Chuck the tomb of lipstick,

who is sitting there as an inanimate object, because if you talk than that's delusion, it doesn't count kleptomaniac, some looking at Chuck, I'm feelings, whore attention. I know that I'm going to steal, I dont want to steal, but I have because the only way to relieve the tension so just grab Chuck and put him in my power. Get in. I don't even where lipstick there's no explanation for this. I make it out the store in enter into the rest of them all and start to feel like I'm not about to be caught that Tim goes away may be replaced with a little bit of a thrill, a kick right and then poem I get hit by this, rushing guilt of just stolen, again narrowly of stolen from something from somebody I have failed yet again resist this overwhelming urge. So I take the lipstick, and I go to my grandmother's house- is now dead, but in this scenario, is actually alive- and I just put it in with the rest of her lipstick go about my business,

feeling generally bad about myself tat. Can I taught you yeah First of all, a little weird being in your pocket. He said TAT I liked but yeah duty to sit on a lot of the major points. Tension if attention a gilt, a rush, giving away what you stole stealing something you don't need or hoarding sometime or oh yeah, the times people were heard it the case of a woman in the early twentieth century, who was caught shoplifting upper middle class. They cause, her, went to her house and found all the stuff that she'd stone. The prices, are clearly not used. There's not a no one. They dont use the step that they steal. I've got a harder for. Everybody was here they stood in April of this year in Israel was busted. His house- and they found motorcycle helmets, watches Louise Baton, handbags hundred fifty pair of shoes

to repair sunglasses, olive oil, laundry detergent, the stuff on open in this guy's house, yeah, literally stacked in in every corner of the house, from room to room and He admitted that he'd been shoplifting for a decade every We went to a story shoplifted for a decade, any clue with the world, and now he has a wife and son and he has a family no to keep their mouths shut. This is for the funny part of courses from an israeli newspaper. It says his wife and son, or suspected of no of his activity, but doing nothing about it, that's a formal charge, but He also was busted with a big role of stickers. That say like paid for thank you for coming that kind of thing oh so why that was part of this deal. He would go in there and like put that on his big tv box or whatever. I wonder if that disqualifies him as a kleptomaniac there. I dont things like the pre, planned it because one of the things that I would not frighten rich.

How we say his name. The author of this article, you know I like no other Craig, Frederick, I'd. Now, there's no l, others, not a total invented that had been reading it. That way for two and a half you were gonna call em, doktor, Freud, ok, ok, Doktor Foy pointed out that people who are caught the maniacs, true kleptomaniac or from what I gather? We don't call him kleptomaniac. We call him people with Kleptomaniac right, don't go in restore intending to steal. They dont go to steal their just overcome by the m. There, ain't store them except the other thing. That may sake. I think he is a candidate for a person with Kleptomaniac. Is that he's a man yet women, more? often- and this is a little hanky too- but women- are more often diagnosis, kleptomaniac, but that its landed a little bit because I think it that women are less likely to admit to it, or report it to like their psychiatrist. That kind of thing

No men will those men who still go to prison women who still while psychiatric evaluation here so that that could definitely Slayer the population, but traditionally people think that Kleptomaniac is a feminine disorder using I storm now need to really great Mary you said that shamefully, I do feel kind of the shame to actually the mother and daughter upon Joe now and Christine Richie, both shoplifting that film it separate time I didn't love harlot breakers the journey we verandah butternut general yeah, yeah, announcing that I storm I'll, take things. In fact, I think John Alan actually still lipstick Maybe that was me

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too many sharing in. I don't know I was thinking about, and I saw that in the late seventy some I thought of that Seinfeld episode were juries, finds out that his parents still reason in turn, finds out at almost all elderly people still bad idea, that's good for their Tipp calculators. The Willard I'm ruined, you know another thing, Josh is you'd, be here and again with you little play, acting the really still stuff. They can afford an stuff like shampoo it list And some glasses or big and they like famously went on a writer when on Horowitz excuse me no near really via the internet. I had no idea she famously store so thousand dollars from sex with avenue. Five thousand, I think they're taking their place swing that year and I dont know if it ever came out that they did. They were please

kleptomaniac anything with it in there now quietly traded in a pay, their fine and here and there that brings up a pretty good point is a club. The mania defence is really really hard to prove, it successfully, get off on it. Is you know why Well, you defence lawyer must argue. Win the argument that there was no reason for you to steal it right: no financial gain or revenge. They got prove all those things beyond reasonable doubt. First of all, yeah, that's one in you and follow up I know that the the Justice Department doesn't recognise kleptomaniac defence. So if you're out of her federal charges, don't even try yeah exactly and that's that's like the Americans, with Disabilities act an in legislations right, good luck in his so Chuck Kleptomaniac.

What is it? Is it an actual disease? Should it be covered in the Americans with disabilities act? Should the d o J, finally open up their eyes, be like ok, ok, rather too thing is clear. The mania, well, we die. Know for sure. There's some people think it's like tagged onto other psychological disorders like what I of compulsive or a personality mood disorders again, so it may possibly like it could be a symptom or a by product of a larger disorder right, yes, ok, but by an large is classified as an impulse. Control disorder like gambling, pyromaniac fires, starting off on or two go till a mania. Yes, try going to remain. I never heard of that yeah ups of hair poet. I wonder if that means pulling your own hair other people's. Probably both I don't know it's an exit

course genetics and it got our producers general giggling. So you know it's getting near, so it either a symptom of a larger disorder or its own impulse, control disorder, weather we don't know, is because treatments for cut. The mania are Aramis, yet they have. Studied a lot and the other thing is like it hit me. Like everything else with the brain, it's still sore The mystery is in one of the reasons why they have had trouble. Studying kleptomaniac is finding but the maniacs right I found a study from two thousand to there was just getting off the ground, at Stanford and these people were looking for twenty four kleptomaniac further study and we're having to go on tv radio everywhere to try to find like true kleptomaniac and one of them this guy who was quoted in in this article on the study

again it will cut check, which is a pretty cool name. If you ask me agreed with the Toronto psychologist, He said in the four hundred and fifty cases, I've assessed, probably only one or two people were actual kleptomaniac really retirement very very small send aiding part of the larger population. Didn't I, I think I saw someone the article they did said. Maybe five per cent of psychiatric patients yeah admit to being are Agnes Kleptomaniac right in and you just these EU revealed something else to think a lot of. It is a mission and you're like remember when me the play acting Kleptomaniac left in in one of the most crushed by guilt, and I want to get the object away from me. I remember the desire to I keep this secret. I think probably keeps a lot of people from Before near so we have no idea how large or small populate minors, but I think from people who in shoplifters. They find that the actual

maniacs among them are a very small population right in a who has studied it. The University of Minnesota School Medicine, yeah specifically set, it was John Grant and he studied the brain and there a few little deposits. If your theories here one is there a defect in, I like you all that transport serotonin might be messed up. Your honour, the defect, those mister the clear message that diversity that you're the defect is Macedonia, you're, ok, potentially had trauma, could cost something like there's a good damage, the circuits and the frontal lobes right now. Maybe happen and decrease in the fine structure of white matter and the frontal lobe, but on the front, looked right at the Olympic system, which is, of course, we know, is the brains, reward centre,

So that's an affront look right, which also controls on impulse are the final vote. Controls impulse mood they haven't. India, so clearly is a could be its own disorder and have a world Ryan's gone on their side, we say that treatments work all that well, like I'm. Sometimes as is our eyes were, but now all the time right, cognitive therapy work, sometimes you wanna tourism, the cognitive therapy, yet cognitive feared. He picked me up in here like this, being a rubber band on your Estonia, like an impure thought right, sensitive, sensitive, Zation Josh's. When a patient wants the steel and then all of a sudden, you your train, to imagine the consequences which to me that's like I thought, that's what you're disposed to teach people it's like gum. No, it's like biggest trouble ring a cat in a face like a return to serve. You don't want with a little water bottle. Aversion therapy that is

You feel the urge to steal. You will be told to do something like holding your breath until its literally painful. Oh, I'm, sorry, that's the one that but yeah you're right it with a covert since adaptation, that Kind of what we ass humans should be walking around doing at all times, Riah thinking about the consequences of your actions should and then the last when these is a systematic desensitization, which is relaxation therapy in substituting relaxing feelings, instead of the urge to steal all of those probably the most difficult thing kleptomaniac, will ever attempt to found another study the peseta in April of this year they started a test where they gave a club to maniacs her kleptomaniac. What do you call him again? Those with kleptomaniac people, clearly mania. I guess not because a maniac in anyway they they studied they get Twenty five habitual thieves, men and

in between seventeen seventy five and they gave them the drug now track zone, which is what they give alcoholics and drug addicts to curb their their bad behaviour. Is that this that makes your hang over really really bad? I think so. It's post well those impulses and it cannot work eight weeks. They found that two thirds of the people who would not a placebo, had nowhere the steel and only like eight percent that placebo data they also eight there. Stables and went to bed when they return to be good drug yeah. We could do check.

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Is it it almost we're going to travel back to the beginning. Now this should have been at the beginning. Ok, Romania was, I think your first appears in literature in three. Ninety seven see: ok, Saint Augustine, admitted to a lasting the thief for Saint Augustine, surmount he really was if he existed, archer and then in the medical, literature and eighteen. Sixteen was physician by the name of Mattie Road. The unique madness characterized by the tendency to steal without motive and without necessity they have a sixteen employed came in and said there isn't any undue penis envy. Knowing no kidding announced

Forty five, well, not sir, but shoplifting is a forty. Five billion dollar in this country took off him. Eighteen, sixteen two thousand nine is good stuff. That's kleptomaniac, you wanna know anymore. You can read the article by our own doktor Freud by typing in kleptomaniac member. It begins with a K. In the handy search bar has therefore set camp. Is this I just say that, of course, dear friends means listener. Mail Josh, I'm just gonna call this hippy rob followed up. Your old buddy happier, but should you say something about Hip Europe while was waiting, hi, Josh and Chuck like my mistress, I don't normally right in the tv shows or radio shows, etc, but I've heard Josh talk about Hippy, rob and at the end, the hangover park ass. He mentioned that he wanted to hear from people who knew of his whereabouts.

In fact, to know at hippie rob and wanted to offer my knowledge of this person to determine if it was the same hippie rob. I know that it's a real hippie rob cuz. He capitalized the h and the rob. The hippie rob, I know is originally from vanilla, Haven, Maine, a medium side, a medium sized island off the coast of down EAST Maine. They say things weird up their jammies. His full name, I didn't say, is forming here, but its Robert Blank and he is thick blonde dreadlocks. The sure tell tale sign of a hippie sure he was about five hundred and ten and never talked about his age. But I will put them in the upper 30s and pasta. We're fortys and ninety ninety eight, he loves Coffee hates alcohol in a minute one have as other habits that he loves, which were not intervention on the air, but his name is happy Rob so the blanks

He swatted at my apartment in Portland Maine for the summer of nineteen. Ninety eight so close at the time he was living off of social security from a quote permanent work related accident. I think we've all known a hippie, Something tells me that his permanent disability was not physically related. I would see him everything, summers and main and he would shoot the breeze. We would see the breeze while drinking coffee and doing other things He was a terrible mooch. I know that he loved to travel the warm places in the winter, with his favorite being Hawaii. And if you leave us on the air could give a shoutout. My girlfriend Kristen was amazing sport about me. Listening to the podcast Galen from Portland me so Josh, is it hippy raw? Now there's a couple of things. Missing too is so close I mean the aid. One thing is: is no one knows the origin of the real hippy rob. No one knows where hippy roused from red locks

does he have any plan, although you would say more, like Strawberry Blondin, not true blood has beard kind of a little guy in Eighteen, ninety eight he would have been late, Thirty's herself, low class, much

yeah we used to, like you know, we'd by beer and we'd by Sea or Nevada Beard run then have any money for a while and then you get paid in he be his turn to buy the beer and violet gets well pack of walking beast. I assume you like this. Does this not the same rob right, there's a dog missing, and this is a very key point. The dogs, you don't have to tell you that some time ago he's a wolf dog. Sedona happy rob own. Yes, now these they were best friends, there's no, of course he has a wharf dog you gotta go appropriate, is best friends and then the real give away was that hippy Rob loved alcohol right that he dwelt in ever. Even now he could have given. No one would have no one would say he rob he's out Bali just didn't drink it anymore. Anyhow, we still ass hippy rub whether that was the one who settings the tell tale give not hippy rob. Unfortunately- and I guess you know where hippy Rob is revealed some clues here, then, is an email. We still know we're looking for and is a Christian interferes in the email, dealings girlfriend Kristen Kristen special thanks to you for letting Galen listen to us. We appreciate their. If you have any cool stories about you're, significant other letting you do something that you want to do is put in an email. Also, if you know where hippy Rob is we want to hear that you are. You can email Chuck and me at all times that stuff podcast? How stuff works that cop more on this and thousands of other topics? Is it has to have a more exact com? What moorhouse networks check out our lies on the house of works? Tat Come homepage.

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