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now available. On the I hurt radio up or wherever you listen to podcast everyone. It's me Josh and for this week's, as via case selects, I chose lion taming. This one came from our summer of SAM chosen by same tea garden. He went on to become SAM, the intern, who will probably go on to become SAM, the House, the works employee at some point, and I want you to take particular note of the segment where we talk about how the Simpsons are known to predict the future. It's an, one example of how connected are episodes are across the years or it's an example of us later unwittingly, rehashing info we ve already covered. I, at any rate, it's a good episode about interesting topic, so I hope you enjoy. Welcome to study should know how stuff works doc.

Hey welcome to the package of Josh Clerk, there's Charles the reach. Surprise, Mr Fischler. This Josh is another episode of the Summer of SAM, this. Kid is good. Yes, our friends, Amity Garden is programming are shown here in their pay and Samson and how line taming works, which is also written by Debbie. I welcome my buddy yeah from New Jersey, yet Roller derby, Debbie, copper carpet data like other depth, young old friend, ethical or older, dirt. Debbie, you did it permanently the first, so yeah Roller derby, Debbie now just get difficult. Both right on this once is gonna, be great. That gives us a good article. Two, that's right

redouble our target freak girl that come as close plug and where we are with say I'm. So. Sam has now selected how lion taming works. What was the first one? I can remember a couple weeks ago. He's done to animals are so that we actually recorded a couple that he had not heard yet that he also had on his less ogre just by chance arena attributed to him just just the ones that we saw afterward, but anyway, thanks am. This is a good one, well put chuck thanking all see. I have a bit of an angel. Have you ever heard the idea that the citizens have a tendency to predict the future now: ok, Let me remind you that there was an episode called down homer each Omar season, twelve episode night, excellent ever so it's where homer. Basically, they find out that homer is Ukraine's stuck in his brain.

What the crowned the cradle Yemen from childhood. The only route they remove it is iq. Just immediately doubles classic into those seven years after homer, a german lady age, fifty nine was going to get surgery to cure her chronic headaches. They found a pencil that was stuck up there from childhood. Did she stuck up there? Yet, while when she was a kid and apparently forgot there,

they they remove the pencil she's. Fine people are wacky yeah, but in their weird Yasser. Ok, here's another! Wouldn't let me see what you think about this homer in the tree house of horror, nineteen definite Didn, T known really like watching and after the season twenty. He goes to vote for a while on election day and the world's its take off of Diebold the the voting machine that had so many problems. The idea here is a vote for o bomber and instead it starts voting a budgeted for Mccain, ok, so the next. I guess that year, a woman from West Virginia said that she check the box Obama and it is our medically switched over to Mccain really. This is after this,

then came out, which would mean its predicting. Probably most chilling is comes from Springfield, with the S felt as the dollar sign. The subtitle is or how I learned to stop worrying in love, legalise gambling season, five episode, ten Springfield gets a casino Armand, Mr Burns Casino, great wonder and in it are to characters who are obviously based on sick Freedom, Roy here and there with their white Tiger. And the Stasi, civil loves the city and an astonishing flashes back to when she was caught in the wild by six written Roy shouted with a trick. Leisure gun and um spit out her little bubble pipe and her little beanie and attacks one of em yeah. This is a full. Ten years before the attack of Roy

born into his own three. During a show at the Mirage in LAS Vegas, where one of their white tigers attacked him, Monti CORE attacked Roy and try, and basically this ended their career right. Then ya. Think on that one like. If you can write a Simpsons episode, aping screen right would also they gonna do you can have the lion and the tiger answer. Your is an excellent point. Here but it still remarkable it is. But you raise a very good point and the point is, I think everybody who see someone interacting with the tamest while they animal you could possibly imagine still will not be surprised if that animal kills the person, because, as Jack Hannah put it very appropriately, I think in Jakarta he was the original steeper one right

Yes, sir, he said you can train a wild animal, but you can never team a wild animal and that's a really big important point in the world of I guess lion taming another famous lion trainer flesh, tamer, we're gonna, pry interchange. Those words said you can't take a lion cause. If you did that, there would be no act like a part of that part of the act in part. The thrill of this for people is the fact that these are wild beasts and if it was just a penguin, would be very exciting, no wooden. Although I'd like to see that a train, penguin, well yeah, put your mouth and hidden its mouth and crack and whether it will be It would be really my boy, the pinkies dressed like a lion tamer in your treating it like a lion. I've got another lion. Tamer quote free than smart guy. Get there a Williams here, he was, alas, are grown up. Ok at their wriggling brothers. He

said a wild animal is like a loaded gun. It can go off at any time. So listen the intro with that. Ok, let's talk about I'm telling you you brought up a really good point shook the. If you are in this world these days in itself I in Tamer lane trainer here or wild animals a trainer- yes, because none of these people think that they have a team animal on their hands, no sort of the hubris of some of these early jerks. That will talk about right now, eighteen nineteen was kind of when it all got going. Yeah, Frenchman, name already martini, yeah, hey, georeferenced, listen for he was a retired horse trainer and he thought You know what I'm gonna, try and work with a tiger which is very different than what anyone's ever seen before. He had a method where he worked himself into the cage. Little by little, like just my presence, then I'll, our men and I'll stick my head and technical.

Will the scratches yeah here and there, and then eventually he found himself earning the trust of the big cats over time, and he would find himself completely indicate, so he was the first first dude period. I think first American here is the first known, Will you call lion tamer here? First, American was a guy named Isaac Van Amber and he was around in eighteen, thirty three in he was what I said jerks, because he would apparently like beat these cats with crowbar and use very violent tactics, the ivy, he had a pretty good excuse for it, just invocation any that sarcasm. Yeah he was. He was a biblical guy and he would actually act out biblical scenes with these animals and his big defense was Genesis, one twenty, six and gods

Let us make man in our image after our likeness and let them have dominion over the fish in the sea. The vow of the air over the cattle and over all the earth and over everything creeping that creepers upon the earth creep Creek and I dislike the Bible, Saint Grievous, it's pretty cool and the chemicals I would cite really is one big one run on science and UK help, but wonder event Amber. Say the whole thing or just be like two three genesis, one: twenty six year, his vega, his finishing move, was sort of insult to injury after he would do other stuff and of course, he's not beating the mutton crowbar in front of people, but apparently that's how he train them to begin with out of fear and injury, and he would finish it shows by making the lines lick his boots me, let it sure her who, after all that, after suffering at his hands, you know a bit awesome, would be to see these steam

and of the prairie beat the tar and Hamburg in reference are exoskeleton gas. For that one might have you seen fast you cannot control. I know is that about robot. You see that more as documented in it was about a utopia regard a robot scientists and a lion tamer, and how all these things intertwined. There's one more Amal rat specialists, and in the movie Dave Hoover was the lion Tamer an arrow moors, also worked in his who were was a huge fan of Clyde, beady and remorse worked in this I can wait. Footage and Clyde. Beady was almost a fifth character of the documentary earlier. Yes, briefly, really great. Ok, I have a really good wild animal tamer documentary frightens here. You may introduce me to this. What it's called cat dancers. Have you heard of it it? Is it so heartbreaking? It's ridiculous,

It's about this group of people who like have their own thing going on and on love one another and love their big cats, and in these things, keep on a really it's. A really great documentary the best I've ever seen in my entire life were young elderly. This, rather too, is one of my favorites, ok guy now fast, even our control. Ok, I was a spot on the table. It's crazy that this podcast features to have our favorite document yet fast, cheap, no to controlling cat dancers. Look for a quick question! Other get those Netflix so cry baby. He was day viewers. Hero was around in the nineteen twenties, he's the pistol in a whip yeah to keep things in line, and I think the pistol was like as a sound scare less than like a threatening. Thank you go through a lotta behind shooting in the chest. The traffic is expensive, but he was performing at this at this. The peak

This lion tamer. Is you think of an old time? You lie in the chamber at the peak of they appreciation from the public. Should be a lot of these guys. They shape to the public expectations, but there also responding to the and the public. Has had a role in shaping lion. Tamer lion traders interact with their cats and baby was Co. The last of the pistol shooting whip crack in chair guy, the ogre yeah Hoover actually explains the chair and Debbie's right on the money fever or why they point a chair at lion? It's because apparently these big cats of us ever

one track, mine, other single minded, and so the four points of the chair legs confuse it and that's what Hoover said. So I believe it well. I thought of you, so you ve got already Martine, who starts everything out very gently using trust, yeah and basically just exposing himself to these. Large cats, you to trust, falls right and the cat would catch him her, and then you have in Hamburg, coming along as Evanna Hamburg, basically just beating the tar out of these thing here and using a very different method, fear and cry baby. Can it carries that torch and then

your baby, things change and you have modern lion trainers like sick, Frieden, Roy, I good third level Williams is uneasy: yeah you're, the german speaker, gaunt together wailings volumes. This is me my ip yet here, like I said he was one like. That was very big, unlike the seventies and eighties, and I was gonna write an apparently using an American Express commercial, oh yeah yeah with a young leopard hanging over the don't we found without a day's. Rightly. I would imagine here, but I see you then, you have this kind of transition to the modern lion trainer which is actually circle back to the beginning, Filmore genteel. Well, that's a status like musing trust yeah, not using beatings, yeah basically just spending time with your animal to let it get to know you yet,

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so. Let's talk about the psychology of other stuff, yeah, animal psychology and people. Psychology is really not much different. Be Skinner is a person psychologists, very famous one year. He created the Skinner back, that's right has children in it. I was that, what's his face, I thought you'd another kid that was kept in isolation. Arthur, oh Baby, Albert Albert noted. Oh that's till it if that was some fear extinction that they were studying catch. This is conditioning that Skinner was all about I'm so operate? Conditioning is what we're talking about and that's basically connecting a behavior with the signal and giving the animal reward yeah. It's like it's pretty much a one, two three cycle. Yes, it's basically saying like come. You did something that anyway, even remotely close to what I want you to hear some food, and now

Have the animals attention like? Oh, where did that come from right now you can shape their behavior, where it's like that no come on. Let's try turning right and then, if they move in the right, they get a little bit of food, and maybe, if They turn all away the right. They get a bunch of food here and then you have say your leading with a stick. So eventually you remove the stick and replace it with something like a snap or a clap, yeah or eight

Yes, you hear a lot of that and all of a sudden, you have an animal that can turn in a circle when you do what you just try and that's called classical conditioning while it starts with operate, moves in the classical condition operate, then capturing than shaving in classical condition in capturing and shapely are part of upper. Exactly sure we talk about Christian, the line. I guess I don't see how we can. It is real people if you ve seen this on the Youtube is not made up. Are you sure I, like you, realize what you're saying here made due to its real, is like anything in history that happened? Ok, look I've seen the documentary about it, and I don't think it was Christopher Gas to directed it. I can't remember the name of Christian the lion, something like that. You seen it on Youtube and nineteen nineteen sixty nine late sixties couple

these John Window and ACE Bork bought a lion from a department store in London. Harrods did not result, lions, Beckmann Hertz them. The sort of the head of London at a time like the swinging sixties in these deeds were known for In this line in like throwing, parties and stuff is pretty cool and the land bigger, of course, and it had to release into the wild with the help of the born free people, and then there is of course, AMOS video where they went to visit this lion. Like was it years later, it was the eighteen, seventy three or two, I think, maybe seventy I'm not sure when they release them, but it was. It was quite a while later and there was a few years the line jumps open. My colleagues again,

there was a may. Those pretty amazing here are you sure it's real, I'm sure that that's real as your real her, otherwise the biggest hoax has been pulled over the world out there. I think the Howard Hughes biographies tops crescendos elegant, but is Debbie points out for every Christian, the lion there's a secrete annoy, yes, which we already have covered, but I think we should go a little more into it. Yeah there's indifferent theories out there. So into doesn't three. They were sick freedom. Roy we're doing their thing in apparently they had like. I think three thousand of these performance is under their belts already.

Yeah they re working with Math core Monti course. I who is one of their tigers, who they'd raised from a cub, and he was now seven years old. So they knew this this tiger intimately like they were its parents, for all intents and purposes DNS, when the keys to with Maintaining is that you raise them from a cub they're, not going I'm getting his tigers from the savanna that are ground and then taming them, so the Simpsons were wrongly their respect sure, but so during this performance, something happen. Monti core grabbed Roy by his wind pipe and dragged him off stage from the outset. Roy by

is now partially paralyzed and as a crush trachea near because of this, but from the outset, from the moment he regained consciousness Roy said do not destroy Marty core. He s like you something happen. He wasn't trying to hurt. Me is trying to protect me yeah and he was dragging me away from whatever it was Roy suggested that possibly he had a stroke in that freaked out the Tiger Tiger picked up on. It has also been theory. A woman. This is almost like the loan gunman theory. Actually this is the one I believe, a woman with a beehive hairdo sitting toward the front row or possibly in the front row, was like distracting confused the tiger, which I guess maybe the tiger was trying to get Roy away from the beehive well happen. The accounts I read is that this tiger became transfix on this lady,

and like started walking toward the lady and so Roy jumped and between them, and that the tiger grab the whole of his wrist at this point and Roy Bottom on the nose with a microphone was going release release and he really stem any fell backward at that point, and I think that's when the tiger the look the tiger, he wants a lion, that's when he thought that Roy was in trouble because it was big brouhaha, the sudden, with him falling over people rushed out there in the confusion. They think that he grabbed him, like you, grab a baby kitten around the neck right to pull it off stage, so that I believe that this is a sensible, but he didn't like it. Like they swayed and when this fire extinguisher and they beat him with a fire extinguisher until he let go and tat, is what he thought, the yeah yeah I know, but the bleaker Thea juggler.

Regular, yeah, well, Roy still, ivy survived Renee actually had a final performance in two thousand nine six years later, with Montague with Martha CORE, he equities like the up, and he was at the secret garden in dolphin habitat I've been there. I pretty awesome where's it It's in Vegas. I can't remember what hotel tat, but will the mirages where they performed, but I feel like they, if its it, maybe at the Mirage threat. I care member, also possible. It was at another place by anyway. They have like their lions in couple tiger. They have a bunch of stuff and it sad because it's a small zoo, but I'm sure these animals are treated better than the average animal at the zoo yeah. But I mean there

these enclosed habitats? Well, they get investigated dislike. Modern circuses. Do I think they're routine checks via what which government agency is it the USDA, the USDA, as they did circuses zoos? They come The thing is: is a few and animal welfare group. You probably don't think the USA is doing enough, and even if they following the letter of the law. You probably think the letter, the laws and strong enough here in supposedly every single major circus in the United States has been cited, for violating the animal Welfare ACT here, so I think the whole concept behind in taming lie in training is fascinating for most people. But then you take another step further new, like these wild animals in captivity What are you doing their wise, your head in its mouth? Exactly an I'm glad you, that is because enemy introduction, there's a pretty good description of what a lying can do. What can my alliance mouth can open up? Why?

then your head, his tall afoot, very centimetres. It's also capable of crushing a bull spine. I love that reference. It descends tough. It is TAT, Spain, of a bull yeah and the cause of about three inches long precursory stuff. So I mean yeah. This is very serious stuff. The lion trader, but at the same time it's like what you know. How do you justify having this act? What's the act for with doing there? Is it? Is it protecting? Is it conserving? What raising whence. I think people are demanding more explanation that they didn't say the time of kite beady. We ask his back, then it was funded poking pride things. You thought were unusual and exotic, and there was a lot of respect for it. Like the initial circuses before there are, these acts were, can get horse acts, but it was me

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