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Josh? And for this week's S wise case legs are chosen, please listen to how plasma waste converters work one of those unsung sleeper episodes that may prove to be one of the greatest stuff. You should know episodes of all time. It talks about technology. We had never her until we came across it and start a researching it and still to this day, five four years later, Just as my blowing to me as when I first heard about it so check out, please listen to how plasma waste converters work. Welcome to stop you should now. the production of Iheart radio will conclude, gets done. Josh clerk to Charles the future Bright guess producer knows: ear nose moved in so that that caught isn't he works.

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vanity fair. This episode that its great chuck, you know when lightning strikes the earth. We did a pretty awesome, podcast, enlightening tumor we talk about how it literally rips the sky open here they ripped the atmosphere, open

in essence, travelling down through this ripped open atmosphere. The air I neither cited as stuff is superheated to about twenty thousand degrees, it's more than three times the surface and preserve the sun near Celsius. I should say: Celsius name, fairer, Antwerp, twelve grand Celsius, roughly its super, her arms, I fear- and I daresay Vernon Talker environment here- look at any rate. Twenty thousand degrees is lightning and this that, when the air superheated it takes on which commonly called the fourth state of matter plasma right near so you ve got solid, boring liquid the gas. Often ok, but plasma is super awesome gas near it. It is a bit like a gas and usually starts out is a gas, but it holds in electro magnetic field or creed

electromagnetic fields and holds an electrical charge, has free roaming electrons is running through it doing all sorts of crazy stuff. Here it is basically breaks gas into like this. This crazy, weird different type of fluid and that's plasma and its awesome Gas. Yes, pretty good stuff super high terms like you're saying and because it's a super high temp, what it can do is you can break down Didn't you can cause something solid to undergo. It's called molecular dissociation, which means it's not just burn in somethin melting, something right. It's actually exposed

It does so much heat that the molecular binds break apart and it becomes a pile of its components here, an a break it down to from its compound of molecules to its atomic components. You're pretty amazing. It is very amazing- and it's like you said it's not it's. Not a burning like this process of using a plasma torch to break something down to decompose is actually what it's doing doesn't even need to use oxygen nope. So the way. That means that it's a process called paralyzes which is intent tense. He that creates decomposition in some sort of matter, especially organic matter here and as a result, you get these by products. If it's a in inorganic piece of material say like some corn stocks that are using as biomass feedstock, it will become something called Syn,

yeah yeah that it gets right and then, if it something like arm Au pair roller states here will save those first well lies within our data is not very good any longer so the leather is was one point organic. I guess it would still be concerned organic material that turns into gas year the metal in this case there will turn into something called flag there by any liquor undergoes a process of vitrification. The beer it does vitrification is where this stuff become, so the bonds break between it so thoroughly here that it becomes basically a form of glass.

yeah like volcanic glass, almost as least what it looks like you're like obsidian, so other sounds great, were kind of beating around the Bush about what a plasma torch can do and here's the big the big bomb boom My torches can burn garbage and waste yes, and not only that they can burn it without combustion, which means there's not a bunch of smoke and they can actually harvest the energy in that garbage year in incredible ways here, because it turns out garbage is shock full of potential energy. You can really said energy when you burn it takes its regular incineration sure, but you only

maybe net about fifteen percent of the energy. That's locked into this big pile of garbage landfill right. What a waste with using a plasma torch to create Paralyzer gasification using nets up to eighty percent of their energy, that locked in their potential is crazy. India, garbage So we are talking about is a potential future, where we are using plasma torches to create energy, to sell back to the grid, to create steam to turn those turbines like we're. Always I still do not doubt that that's how you create. Gee these days, perhaps our electricity sure and then sell off byproducts as well make more money. Yes, it's it's like. I cannot be more excited about this and medical ways: chemical waste throat in there. In fact, not thought anything you got in there daddy, except for like radio.

Active material. You gonna get a swine flu outbreak. Take this pig carcasses the term into early. I guess vacation chamber there is no swine flu left, it is totally gone. Or how about this I'll? Bring it to your form. Small and set up the swine flu break out, come to your farm and Albert, of all those nasty pigs right. You got some toxic waste, oh well, we'll just Burnett here in a gas of it chamber and will break it down to its inner components, its second Anybody know more little lamb. I guess we keep saying burn, Well, it's really tough, not to erect so they torch torch air nice. So I struck Stricklin wrote this Jonathan Stricklin attack stuff and he did it. job as always, and he seemed to Be- is excited about it as we are yet when he was writing it right, because how can you not be.

let's talk about some of the parts of these things. The first thing that he points out that we should point out is that any plasma conversion gasification facility is gonna, be unique into its own needs there, custom built at this point. There is no standardized unit. There are some companies that are starting to like well on house has some that you can just like what amounts to off the shelf. The back your gas, if I pretty much- Also in many other things like three different models over them. Surely will custom build you whatever you want, then you probably right. At any rate when he wrote this, they weren't super standardized and let's get that we're going towards that. But So are we going to talk about it? You know sorted depends on the system, but you're, probably to have his conveyor belt. He's gonna move the garbage ended a converter and you can play that belongs Bunny Powerhouse on man,

Sometimes they will create a treat. The stuff like, although you could We had a big enough machine. Throw an entire car and lets say, but sometimes more efficient to break that car down sure and have a pilot tyres in a pile of scrap, break it down to its components, is to make it more fish, because it's gonna use a lot less energy to break it down into smaller parts. Yet and then fitted into the the plasma torch incinerator, then it well to just torture with the torch because these things use a lot of energy here, a lot of energy We say that for when the investors gamma right, there are quite a few years ago, and now you see now either You have your furnace of course, and stricken says this is where the magic happens, because, you don't need oxygen is airlock. Airtight junk goes in, but the heat doesn't escape into the atmosphere or the gases were the bible,

which again that is really saying something about the material science. That's gone into this because he sings Herbert like are heated to six thousand degrees, Fahrenheit sunk in some senses near like the temperature of the sign, in this little Guinness Canister right here. It's amazing I'm suppressing plasma weapons for real the job. I think it's really great, that they don't. I looked into it it it's like the realm of video games. Of course, like plasma done since they had. So if you have a furnace, what well you're gonna have the plasma torches in the lower. Like half of the furnace, let's say. And they also have some drainage for that flag and some venting for the gas, and it's going to be water cooled yeah. Things came across to me in this researching this. Is these things

frequently have like really elegant designs right. So, like you have a drain for the slag, which again is the molten metal that broken Nanda, like its constituent parts, is inorganic material and opinion, Are you treaty, alternative glass or sander nodules fire asphalt, yeah, and then you have the the gas going up But you also you and your draining off the slag but you're also keeping summit, because it forms basically a coke bed yeah that keeps the furnace heart, which means have to use less energy near to endure in your plasma torch cycle having your little lava beds right, just sort of sitting there exactly things up to a pretty cool, but eventually you gonna probably want to get some of his leg out there, because you gonna do call things with that which will talk about later. The plasma torches themselves, however. Amazing little instrument, it basically a it's a lightning creator

like they use an electrical arc. They push, usually just plain old, through it, yet so that this electric charge heats the air to these. six thousand degrees turns it into plasma, and then that's what's directed into the furnace hit, is very crazy about that. That's what they're doing a little water cool torch that that gets super hot, also doesn't use any kind. Oxygen for combustion right and also these things You want to turn me on with electrical stuff, is show me system that powers itself right that I just love that more than anything and these facilities- I mean they ve got they ve got access energy despair right afterward. Not only can they found themselves in a lotta cases, they have their sullen back to the right. So once you ve got this initial input where you get this thing going online, and you heed that plasma torture for the first time

normally used are feeding feedstock into it, which, in this case, is garbage plain old municipal, solid waste from landfill directive. The future right right, when you start feeling that it starts this energy and the way that it does that that gas that escapes single. Let's talk about some gas. Do you think it s a beautiful amazing, elegant thing? It has its combustible as untreated form. You could use it to burn like natural gas, although as about half the energy density of natural gas, but if your burning garbage it's too spaces. free natural gas, yet a byproduct you can also treated in scrub. It ends is released into the atmosphere. Is inner gas yeah? No problems with that water, water scrubbed right now but when the singing ass exits, the the furnace, its wants to expand

So, if you're very clever engineer, you poets call the gas turbines right there, a guess turbine is spine by expanding gas. Will you got plenty of that stuff right, so you ve got the singer s going through the gas turbines, spinning that so it's a generating electricity cells are very hot. So what's it goes through that gas turbines it can be caught by what's called a heat recovery, steam generator And that's just got some water going through any is hot, this hot heat gas, to turn the water in the steam. That, in turn turns another turbine generating more electricity and then at the end before you even treated you have, sing ass. They could be used to fuel combustion engine to June even more electricity or from burning garbage. We have to take a break because the peel Josh off the ceiling, because you're so excited about single idea. I will be back in a SEC,

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our eyes were terminals in gas. You need describe it with water. They passes through a spray of water, actually cleaning gas, which is pretty interesting as a concept. and then there are measured filters afterwards to remove acids and things like that which do form weird byproducts like assaults and ass, all it's pretty if you run it through a base cover, it turns into salt, but there again in her, like a guy, pick up a handful, Neither see weapons powerfully nothing and if using afterburners, sometimes all use a secondary burner, which is actual just natural gas flames. I guess to finish the job, maybe yet Bernard, like any particulate matter. gas like if the if the process didn't it is a thing gases like pure right this, this faintly birds of particulate matter or you can.

Grab it too, and if you're doing all this you're, probably just going to release it rather than try to traffic in use it for combustion right for you discovered, but you do need discover display If you're gonna really seem atmosphere because it does contain some pretty nasty stuff. Yet the cadmium, mercury later heavy metals because remember what what this process does? The plasma torch in the gasification process breaks these things down into their constituent Adam. the molecules there and heavy metals in and some other things are not really good force, even in their most basic form, the most parts can take something that chemically speaking was once a threat but has been broken down. New separate knock. You is inner components: bread something's, even when there are at their most basic level, are still dangerous to us like cadmium, like mercury, like heavy metals, and these things do have to be taken out of the flag

and or the sing, ass and disposed of the thing is, is if you put a thousand tonnes a municipal, solid waste into one of these furnaces you're only going to get about twenty tonnes of. That stuff right, so if so, we will still need landfills or something like that, but it will just be for these very dangerous. Chemicals are very dangerous like heavy metals or something like that, but you still got great stuff out of the other nine hundred and eighty times yeah exactly so that the byproducts we about the singing ass, the flag and the heat or all use that always use depends what you're trying to do with your plant, but they can potentially I'll be Use and this I think you already said you're getting eighty percent, so that means the weight of your room Things lag is only twenty percent what you started with. So you took that Buick

and it now ways twenty percent, but what it formerly wade right. You could pick it up. If you I mean, maybe so probably should wait for it the first and the volume is only about five percent of the original waste volume. And, like you said, it looks like volcanic glass and they can use it in asphaltic green begin, pour it directly into holds and make paper stone, and it's all of us no sir it so it's An EU advised at your big bucks hardware store for your garden yeah, which is pretty amazing, Another potential creation that you can use flag forests to train the Iraq war, a man I love stuff right, like solely as a small and flag, is coming out a few exposed to compressed air blast. It turns into this ready very light, but also very strong, wore their material gray. Cotton candy is how have Strickland puts it. Yeah and there's little uses for it like you can

in hydroponics. It is a growing medium you can also use it is insulation barely has twice the insulating properties of fibre last year. Amazing, yet is end you can also use the clean up oil spills. It says yeah. This is the one that really gets me go and its lighter than water seeking to throw it on water, and I will sit there and its super absorbent. So little basically,. the weather probably do is contain it in something like a tube or something, and then to throw that too and a big circle around an oil spill referred on water spoke of the oil. They just go back his group, the Rockwell appear I had a friend that used to work in a need to look that up and him up actually southern nowhere. It went, but they were using banana fibres to do the same thing to clean up.

Spills. Then we too, and on oil spills and, like your friend, you email with them, or something like that about it now feel like we dare to make good this impasse. But Here's a cool thing about the the rock war thing currently use. It is not just something that you can only get as a by product of creating send gas write it. Produced by mining, rocks you melted down and then- spirits were like cotton candy, like you said here in a big machine and here's the cool about the gasification, though the way they make, the rock will now about him I'm sorry about a dollar a pound, whereas a byproduct it could be sold for tension. push, you don't have all the disturbances in the the mining rocks Darien Iraq WAR is a by product of garbage that your burning- that's great. It's amazing it this like a win, win, win, win, win, win, win, win the flag,

legible. That's another call thing that I found here, though, Stricklin specifically said you can't do this with radioactive material. I have seen that you can really yeah and why what you can do is it'll turn it into this flag, the subsidiary glass and while it still radioactive, it's not in anywhere. It's not going to leave out into the soil and its shell is, should be stable, like this for thousands of years, conceivably EL. The radio activity is not harmful to humans any longer for Serbia. Great. You can just turn it on these radioactive, paving stones. That there might even glow at night you have a nice little path and your backyard nobler through is actually glass.

like that, I can't remember what its technical term is, but in the mid twentieth century there is a big trend for radio. They called it vaseline glass because it glowed about the color vaseline, which is weird, but you can find cut glass like ashtrays and sculptures that glow. The reason they glow, because the radioactive I think I know you're talking about really neat looking, but it's also like that should be in my home at your own cigarette. hold it against the elderly they're here I will just take another break here and we'll talk about where we are now and where it could be headed with gasification me,

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so here's what I found in this matter and even be current. What I saw was there currently eight functioning plasma gasification facilities in the world the terms about one Taiwan in Japan and Canada, one in England one here in the USA. Where is the one in the? U S, thinker, Vero each quarter. one in India, one in China and get this one. there's one on an aircraft carrier needs that the? U S is using. The idea is It is little small unit that basically just treats the on board waste Furthermore, since so they envision a future where, like cruise ships, have these things and then

don't bother garbage ocean, others exactly you treat other ways and I guess they could even sell by products if they wanted to hear article there's one this possibly going you, as I know you saw it, was mothball right, but there's one, I can tell that plan. They have like all the I guess, the licences and their certifications that they need to build one important Lucy Florida and its possibly it started out as it was going to take on a thousand times a garbage today and put out Third, it was gonna generate sixty seven megawatt hours a day and sell thirty three of that. So would completely power its own operations and still have Thirty three megawatt hours to put out the cell back to the grid as just more money that the things making right here.

what I saw is that in the figures like two thousand fourteen, do it said that it was gonna, be about sixty percent of that, so we taken about sixty tons of garbage and generate total output of twenty two megawatts by I don't know if it's coming or not, but either way. The thing they got me about this would choke was that they plan to not just accept landfills, book to go out and mine. Existing landfills, young use those things as feedstock and in fact, there was one in which she nigh Japan that closed down because they ran out of it duck they burn through all the garbage, while here that's pretty great when you're out Garbage exactly they go, get Morgan like us full stop. Earlier this year think the world's largest plant is this. It was near

pollution amaze may so may be done at this point, but a company called air products began processing three hundred and fifty thousand times. This facility, while creating power while we turn and fifty thousand tonnes yes said enough powered for fifty thousand homes and fifty full time jobs, which is not that many not for that much now what does he highly unabated our guests here, which is sorted gettin away, but I guess you'd want more jobs, created, teaser sort of a balancing act gets and it cost half a billion five hundred million dollars and that is one of the year the stumbling blocks along the way Strickland points out that any time you have a new technology can be super expensive to get going. Everyone's de again on the landfill and our doing things now. So it's take a lot it'll get cheaper over time. Like everything else, that's anew

new aid doing things he asked after and over the establishment, with with hours, you have to show them why it'll be better for them financially, well, yeah, also, if, if the same This policy is kind of like well when I connect closed down and fell. But if you gonna open one go ahead Well, then, you have a plasma waste treatment for and a landfill in direct competition and if you're their customer, meaning you are. Garbage that you want to take you care where your government is going. Probably you wanna go. Whoever has the cheaper fees for accepting that garbage here, because a landfill is a kind of an expensive proposition to shipping fees. they're gonna, be high. It's basically the only way they can make money by recharging people, the deposit, their garbage with applause, waste treatment facility. making money all over the place. So in slag, as paper stuff, there sewing rock wool to clean up oil spills,

their selling electricity back to the grid, so there money, all these other ways that can pay for the operation and generate a profit, so they can keep their tipping fees low so a view on landfill and somebody opens up plasma waste stream of stability in the same city. Yeah you baby in a bit of trouble. Business Weiss here, keep the table Philo and then that is people like municipalities will begin using your services ultimately, because think the one thing that is lacking still as their environmental will bright, a more definite a lot further along than we were when Stricklin wrote this article sure, but I think that that that's one thing that makes it so attractive is we're. Gonna burn Your garbage in really really cream sustainable ways create energy from it and we're gonna go get your old garbage empearled that too, giving more electricity and the plants gonna power itself with your garbutt yeah. It's it's a win, win, win, win, win, win win,

when, when Stricklin interviewed he's from Georgia TAT Great a doktor, Cicero? Yes, I'm sorry, Sir Percy Socio. I thought it was the sorority yeah, it's mine, trick arbour, foresee so Doktor Socio said he and visions a future where you don't just have like the big municipality, let that be great now, maybe you could bring plasma torch to landfill and just bore a whole through it and stick that plasma torch in their cap. It off and start burn in that junk from the inside out yeah very few people who were there could be a call seemed near by one That's what I thought. What about like, with centrally of Pennsylvania, right, Citronia Pennsylvania caught fire? It there's a combustion fire going on. If any course seem was exposed to this year. He would it would just be decomposed into carbon

into its consistency will catch fire. That's nothing to do with this yet again, so it actually extremely safe and the landfill itself would act as the furnace. That's amazing, isn't it. I think it's really tough to think of really intense heat without king fire right, but that is not where this cozier or doctors, Sir Sarah Socio Rizzio, says that it should do so says: pay wanna work together here and bring plasma converter. To another existing traditional facility where they work, hand in hand like a coal fired power plants, I wanna. So what this would do, as you were just basically stick plasma facility onto it, into the existing infrastructure and its except garbage and burn their everything and then the singer sets created would be used to help fire. The coal fired plants-

That's right any would be used for combustion idea, and you would be using less caller less fossil fuels. To do the same thing they create steamed spin, the turbine, because, ultimately, that's what it all comes down to is electricity. So if you ever, a green way to supplement this of all you're doing is using less fossil fuel to write. It also way cheaper then you're not having to treat the sin gas, which apparently is half the cost of plasma treatment the earlier, because these guys have to treat escaping smoking. Everything anyway. So are you is adding actually a cleaner, a clear fuel into the fire It's going to ultimately be clean down the line, amazing, and then we talked about so to have joking but they're serious about decontamination You know if you have an outbreak on your farm and you have Bunch of you know said, but you have a bunch of sick disease dead livestock,

bring out the the p three thousand throw those cows in being bang boom maybe grandma first to me and you can do soil is well contaminated. Soil got any cholera outbreak in spanish field, not anymore you, but you dirty humans. Ninety more storm in there. medical ways to Bio hazard nope. You got inert stuff, a puppy cruise ship. Peter. They all things once I'm kidding about dirty humans. By the way, my twenty minutes say that you cannot think. Sir look again, I hope not buddy. So there is plasma waste treatment. Hopefully the wave of future. Yet we should take there's something a little sexier, so people aren't like yeah, there's lively, Alison, and that gives it sure yeah is then, like you,

people that are super into like green technologies. A bribe Yokohama learn about this weird sides thing here: how plasma waste treatment? Please listen, signed, Josh and Chuck, I get the little clumsy work on a few. I know more about plasma treatment facilities or any of that stuff. You can take those words in the search bar has the force that can it's. It's Chuck said sexy it's time for listener. Male call this. You guys got Africa right. Thank you guys. This new pact asked about female puberty and is very impressed with the thoughtfulness and sensitivity and what you explain. Things gave advice by the way we heard from a lot of people in there and thank you are young women, migrant women, men and dad and now in Manila it was really good to get that one right. I think the one thing that we didn't quite get right there. With someone has pointed out:

more than a few times is a way boy crazy line. We should have gone out of our way to say, like you know, You might also be girl, crazy or you might not have sexual feelings and thoughts. I wish we had balance. Now that you know I'm giving us a brake on that, because we we people, know how I feel about that stuff. We tested pointed out a strong yet enough, but I mean that things change and improve, though you know, No we're saying now? Young Ladys are they're going to puberty might like other girls. Like boys or girls, and all that's ok to yes, thanks for sale, Subject to this practice knew about two hundred or more european gas. Many a long way to go. Buddy and I'm always honeycomb, almost three line that only five. After that, I am always bidding here. You got your best to be specific. When you make references to events in countries or geographic regions, what I mean

This is: u dont generalised, like a lot of people, do and say crap like in Africa, they blah blah blah or in Europe, its normal to blah blah blah they got to the party relate to show we talk about female puberty rights was away, here you are being careful not to say in Ghana, theirs knowledge. Where does that? the reason for my reaction is that have lived in the? U S for twenty years, but I'm from Ghana there at least twenty distinct ethnic groups languages in Ghana alone, and I know for a fact that the ritual grab is not done in all of them. In fact I've heard of it, but I don't think it happens anymore. By the way the official language in Ghana is English, so we are able to communicate with each other and nothing irritates us Africans more than two years one started Senate's with in Africa. I bet because continent that huge, There's no one says well and North America. Now They say like in the: U S: confederation of Like Sociedad States in Africa. It's like a yard,

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