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there. They manage a lot of chasing in gathering really drawn out. They really gets it yeah, they drew it up, but the idea, and especially when we see nineteen eighty four hours eight- and I was this- is about the time I'm like I'm going to Duke University Study, Perry psychology when I get older than your eight yeah I didn't know, college was about eight. Definitely those in my will ass. Well here so. This was like right up my alley. Yeah now that I've, I watch it as a child, like man who was an idiot when I was eight near, but it was pretty cool that special effects are like eighties writhes. Oh yes, they do not hold up no, but I mean if you're a fan of tron, easier or video drowned. Yeah you're, gonna love, this movie, storing the great Michael Parade, yes and rebel, cops partner, Nancy Ellen she, whose one also she and famously she's in a bunch eighties.

These are the epic back, those her big one. There was she always like Co. Storing the female lead, I think yeah, don't think she was ever like the lead in a movie. They didn't make movies with female leads in the eighties. I can remember in this context a real I d say female, or should it be the girl led to female eleven. They didn't make leads with about women as the lead in the eighties they're out there to prop up the dude spray glass working girl. There was, in the eighties good point, ninety five three ladys to take it back a few and far between what I'm trying to lobby for gender equality in Hollywood, yeah! Well, you sure in your like no look at ninety five. There were some yea. I hate you. I agree with you.

I dont mean. Are you you're right? It's view there are few and far between that's what you call a trap. A barber Ella allows Seventys was sixty sixties, Jane Fund. Well, just The makers of the Philadelphia experiment you and I know how to draw out a fifteen minute plot I also want to point out Michael Parade disappeared in any in the cruisers owes. It was here that he was Eddie was the pay some Bruce Springsteen or Then I felt it was based on any real life band. Now I mean it echoed Use Springsteen, ask right, but it wasn't my Canada. I think they were this. I think the riders, like you do, I like, like Springsteen yeah, so let's get John, can freely to sing like Springsteen and put Michael pray lips, think while better Eddie Debts-

That aid is reflective, and I saw John Cavity in concert in the eighties settle. What else is here now he was the band. He was the real bad John Cavity in the Beaver Brown band. Ok, they sang songs for real, and I saw a concert six flags while our that- and they now become the Zack Brown man. That's right. Right, who looks like now full circle circle. We just did it, can we be done now yet so the filter experiment, I guess, is right up Michael Perez Alley because echoed real life too. In a way in a way through, the makers went back and read a couple of books that purported to be nonfiction accounts of this incredible experiments carried out by the Navy. So incredible, We should probably sluts described the experiment to begin with right experiments. We should say yeah, that's true! This article gets a wrong here on house of work,

There are two separate things are both involving the destroyer ship called the USS Eldridge recently Commission summer of nineteen, forty three as when it began July, I think, and what supposedly happened was that there was the ship and there was a big secret Navy experiment that whose what's aim was to make the ship disappear? Yeah not just two like radar something like that, but there is a guy with the periscope. He would look right past the ship because it had been made. Invisible, essentially, invest and then the story goes that that was successful. There was a successful experiment that was carried out, the disk peered in full view in broad daylight. From though, was it the Philadelphia shipyard yet and then He appeared those a big glow, then it reappeared and all the sailors aboard or an in bad shape, so did that take place in July

it was that took place in July. Ok, we'll ok! Then it happened again in October within seconds. then they re, try the experiment. Supposedly the ship disappeared and popped up in Virginia Norfolk Virginia, and then reappeared ten minutes prior. So it Tom travel back ten minutes and filled to Philadelphia again right and within the sailors were in bad shape, even by teleportation standards. That's impossible, yeah and supposedly these this ship men were see men were were some work like in the middle of the ship, rightly crazed and crazy right. So basically the implication is that they had been some sort of some fashion molecular early disintegrated, get along with the ship and then when it was brought back together, they coordinates where maybe off slightly right, maybe the ship and the

people were where they were ten minutes earlier right and things just went a little hey I like a perhaps on the Lido deck and my lower house on the were the other direction. But the simile decade. Now the party deck the tango deck chair at the time of the year and the the the and I'm still alive, and I also gone mad because my brain

They can figure back correctly either. Yes- and this was all possible thanks to Albert Einstein working with the Navy, yet in teaching them all as little tricks on how you can make ships disappear in time. Travel specifically, the theory is that, where the rumour that conjecture, the conspiracy theory, is that Albert Einstein figured out the unified field theory, which is not really did not basically the theory of everything now it frustrated and for his whole life. There's this idea in physics that there's possibly one explanation for the behaviour of everything in the universe. Right now, we ve got a pretty good theory. I think the theory Especial relatively ties in

three of the fundamental forces in the universe. The gravity is outlier that can't be tied in through physics formulas, and they think that there is some way of understanding things too, where everything together and, as I think, meteor cuckoo famously put it. He said that what what their searching for a unified field theory is within a formula in inch long you'll, be able to re gods, mind tat the ideas that the Einstein came up with this unified the field theory again, not true, and there it was used to understand how to teleport things. So they use this understanding to carry out an experiment with a bunch of Navy seamen on a destroyer in broad daylight, because you can, you can imagine the advantage to be able to make your ship invisible and not only that if you could figure out of town.

It like you, you done did no more war, because you would win them all and there s the robot. Just carrot: you're invisible feet, Jack. You just suddenly pop up behind your enemy, full Nelson, umbilical clear. Then that would be like a kid and that's it. Yes, let him go and be like this right and you tell poured out there you see how easily that could happen. Nazi unified, that of your theory so the Philadelphia experiment never happened like that at least one will go ahead and not give any credence to the conspiracy terrorist out there. Although probably get a couple of people, the email, then oh man, this is. This is like a nucleus of conspiracy theory. It ties in your phone. Sure ties in

theoretical physics. Yet U S? Government, of course, yeah Jai Normous cover up a ties in all these different things, really really interesting. If you go read this stuff, it's it's. It's two means more interesting than just just UFO conspiracy. There you're, just government cover up conspiracy. Theory is like a clearing house of conspiracy theories, all tied up in one package on the secret experiment that if you listen to the Navy's official line, never took place there never was a Philadelphia experiment right there never was. There was also known as project rainbow. There is never a project rainbow. Now I just didn't happen. The whole thing was made up out of whole cloth, apparently by a guy named Carlos. Am I end, yeah and their work. There is a couple kinky details walk over why this thing has survived

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very wicked buddy we're back? How much time has passed in your mind millions of years it's only been about three hours. If you arrested, I do feel very refreshed good. Well, we can can you so you tease, demand name, while he had some day name's Carl imagine or under pseudonym Carlos Miguel Island I gave a meter idea on the end, all sound mysterious year, an oasis and they d so nineteen, fifty six, I was gonna, get away back machine, but I think we should even bother for this now this actually for if there is no way back machine, the trade, so nineteen, fifty six in

the time Ellen Day said a letter and he would go send about fifty more letters to an author anymore. It's Jessup who wrote a book a year earlier called the case for the: U S: oh yes, which you can find on the park has paid for this episode yeah. He said that he was another. He psychology do that wrote a bunch of books. I mean Well I mean- obviously do you mean legit is in like he proved any science by you have a right that he was easily authored books for real. Yes, he was a printing manner. He wasn't is publishing manifesto any was a young conspiratorially minded investigator yeah. But if you re like his writing, it was nothing but conjecture jerk, nothing. There is nothing in it, but conjecture by ended, as fact and even says like these are. There are three basic proven facts about this and then here's more facts- and it's like these- are in fact at all.

is really fascinating stuff. Maybe he doesn't know what facts are able, so he got these letters and in these letters at first they were some attacks on him and from from our saying you know I'm talking about. And you're getting this unified field. Theory all wrong, and now, because Einstein spent several weeks with me teaching in the stuff Not only that says, like Cuckoo part rights, crackpot ray, He was saying like I can prove they that unified field theory has been mastered by describing this experiment that took place in Philadelphia. Nineteen, forty three concerning one: U S, destroyer called the: U S S Eldridge! Yes, and he said I know this because I was there buddy. I was on a ship in the harbor and there were other ships in the harbor that seems to be the only part. That's true yeah. I mean this is a place where ships were being outfitted air. The issue of the summer and far here is the war. I tried

so he claimed that he was on one of these ships. He said I witnessed this in person. I saw this green below. I saw this thing disappear. None that he didn't come back. He could see the field there was created by this. The sum experiment near the Green Gables doc his arm into it. He was that cloth suffered movies, write stuff thank you, navies of E movies yeah, so he sends his letters and decent like fifty of the eye. Jessup said you know it. Let me invest this a little bit because I'm a crackpot to get where you're coming from me. So destruction and the right of I thank you for these Let me look into this a little bit and he basically gave up because the dude could produce he gas and for some evidence or not, If anything, they had nothing. He didn't. He just said, but here's the story and its fact- and he goes

I will say in day who by then I think it dropped a pseudonym right Carlisle and who knows, he might call himself big bird that point so he was in. He was a very disturbed man, looking but yeah. He had mental problem. He did, but if you, if you research him and you research, even sceptics- have the filter. Experiment like this stuff he was coming up with, was really interesting. Stuff yeah he's good look good writer, but he was a huge confabulate hers so he's saying all this is in fact an hee hee, hee thing I don't know what the data on other people's names or anything like that, but perhaps, if I were put under narco hypnosis, I would remember all this stuff. so you got any drugs and about this time, just upset them with their threat. he had actually moved on, because apparently the government had directly addressed UFO rumours, and now

He just didn't do that. I'm sorry! Another guy did folk who is interested in researching I Andy, but I'm sure Jessica's, like I gotta get back to my serious work. He had any of us. He did but then something true the bizarre happened and this did happen? He got and knock on the door and to researchers from the Office of Naval, research who would have been carrying out experiments like this salary? Hey everywhere I heard of a guy named Carlos Andy and you probably could have picked MP just about the floor. I would imagine so because I mean he's like it's all Julia and he said come in come in. Please have some tea at some opiates. It was nineteen. Fifty seven at this point, They said you know what we gotta package a year ago and had a copy of your book, my and the U efforts and I was-

so you have here, was agitated very heavily by three people well by by three sets of ink and three types of handwriting by which were clearly from Karl Alan, while they were to engage Ecevit, corresponded with Carlyle inferred well over fifty letters, yeah. He said, I'm not fooled this guy Jimmy J am I who may have been an ailing and its Carl Alan and Mr M Mister B or both Carl Island there all car allowing bite regardless whether they were all one dude. The annotations fascinated these two Navy researchers enough that they, the supposedly as far as the Office of Naval Research, officially says they took it upon themselves and paid out of their own pockets, and I guess, took vacation time to go, find em k, Jessup yeah I haven't found. I saw a bunch of conflicting reports on that

whether or not- and this is what conspiracy theories point do then either it was official business or they did it on their own right either way. They say that that means something, and I explained away as it was just something on their list that they eventually had to get to. That seems like a terrible explanation. I think the sounds like a real wrinkle, though the story, whether purposefully or it's just something that can be very easily explained. Well, maybe it is, it was just these guys were really interested in this. Maybe they were into Ufos stuff for whatever name it doesn't matter. The fact that those two guys showed up gives this thing legs for miles. You know it's just awesome. Let that happen because that has kept this thing alive. Five in part in the box came to them a marked, happy Easter, which sounds kind of funny, and had weird punctuation and

relations are all the marks of a madman bright by again, like the stuff he was saying was. Is it was his curiosity arising in these guys and they actually took and against supposedly paid for their own pocket? The annotated version of the case for you efforts and published it with the annexation of their day contractor a military contractor called Vero technology. They think and I M had then publish it. Would you weird especially their doing it on their own pocket, but only a hundred and twenty seven copies. Imagine didn't Cosette my I saw twenty five, even when they were like spiral bound, those any. I fancy. I read a lot of this and it some it's. You know it's like it's really out there, but I imagine if Europe is your phone Theseus, it might interest you I mean. If you read me,

just some stuff: it's out there to, while noting that with the adaptation for southern did, he ask can take it. The impression that I was hardly sandy step is even more out there. Here you get online its honour, there's pdf of it. If you wanna of Vera, why I bet supposedly there's a lot of forged copies, is well now really can circulation. Yeah yeah, I have the same real powered. Someone take the time to forge a copy of the crackpot manifesto. I think we must analyse so I'm just story ends just a couple of years later he was down on his luck in you, get injured really badly in a car accident at a bad break up with his wife and he killed himself. He put a hose from us, sauce into his window, and this is one of the other reasons that conspiracy theory, any time, there's a suicide and there's the governments involved,

easy to say he didn't kill himself. The government killed them right is made all the more specific suspicious, though, because a supposedly he that was the day that he was to meet a friend who he had said he had told I've made a breakthrough in the failure of experiment case here and then I was suddenly in the dead of a suicide near so that I mean that in the end, our guy, showing up at his door, definitely is kept the thing alive. It has. Supposedly his friends came out said now, he was deeply depressed and he talked of suicide in the months before he committed suicide yeah. But then I'm sure conspiracy theories to say they pay them off land, because people said you can family go no devil. I said, and the Eldridge had a pretty well It didn't go into like great things. It was sold to Greece or transfer degrees rename the ages Leon you

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supposedly were really happen. Apparently, on that day in the naval shipyard again, either July or October by July. I think, is the one that people typically if they just think it was, They think, rather than to separate experiments, it usually July that they point to which they didn't this article. Two on that particular day, the U S, S Eldridge wasn't even in Philadelphia. Yet this is the I don't understand it was in Brooklyn near so here's the thing this debt. Revelation came out and ninety ninety nine we'll get to that in a minute. Prior to this, there is a researcher he's an astrophysicist in you followed the same Jacques Jacques, F, valet. and he was actually the inspiration for the you- follow just frenchmen character. In close, it comes at a third kind yet, and he was also like a venture capitalists. Pretty sharp dude

he just head. Some unusual interests right, yes, but one of the things that he dedicated himself too was disproving, filled an experiment proving that it was a whole series of sceptic great. Yes, in some manner, he escaped yeah so he wrote a paper and in the paper he invited people too to reach out to him if they had further information about the failure of experiment and, as a result, allegedly he was contacted, in eighteen. Ninety four by a guy named Edward Dudgeon or dudgeon, say dudgeon. So little for more pleasant, indulge in a better friend called him, the dungeon, the Albert. the golden so yeah. He responded. The paper was called anatomy of a hoax colon, the Philadelphia experiment fifty years, in the Journal of scientific exploration. Dudgeon got in touch and said you know. I was in the navy from forty two to forty five. I was on that boat

and I can explain what happened yet, which is pretty exciting. Well, here is that he was on the angstrom, which was. they are at the same time our thought he was on the actual boat. Now he was an electrician on Angstrom guy. He said he was fully aware of all the electrical components on Angstrom and on the elder, Jack assail Party together sure exactly that without actually comes comes up later, so he was Saint heap. He based we had a pat income lately sensible and reasonable answer for every single part of the Philadelphia experiment. For example, part of the Philadelphia experiment legend is that a brawl broke out in a bar following experiment in two of the sailors on board, the Eldridge suddenly disappeared. They vanish, yes well region. Dudgeon says I was one of those guys. I actually

faked my age on my Elizabeth page of paper, so I was under aid is going to be at a bar in the bar, though the bartender took on me and another under age, dude and shoot us out actor and then pretended that she'd never seen us so they disappeared. They disappear in exactly the backdoor another one. He says he explains the whole thing basically ready, as there is no experiment like that, but they- doing something that might seem freaky to the uninitiated analysis de gassing there, the ship's here the time Germany, and I guess everyone else really. In the name and the Navy's around the world, they had magnetic mine, see mines which would find your boat, and you know, go here. That's metal! Let me go stick on that thing and blow up here and torpedoes that were magnetic seeking to yeah. They thought you know it looks come up with a way to make our ship

walls and our mental parts non magnetic to these two. These obstacles right, which is an established project I guess, earned establish. What's the word, I'm looking for process sure so closely project was a real thing, yet it's called de gassing and it basically either changes or gets rid of their magnetism, something that was formerly magnetic like a ship, so it doesn't make it invisible know it the radar or otherwise by possibly looks pretty weird right, so they rap the ships in hundreds and hundreds of metres of table and then ran a really high voltage electrical charge through it and supposed to leave. This would de magnetized the ships which really came in hand it because at the time just outside of America's coastal waters was covered, regarding the Atlantic. Is german? New boats were running the show out there at this time yet and as we learn

did Nazis invade Florida. They sometimes were parked right off the coasts exactly so they were taken out or destroyers in our cruisers in our battleships. So this is this is a big deal to be able to do that kind of thing, although it in it was class, five stuff. It wasn't experimentation in anything that has been proven before it was like married British de magnetizing, our battleship here the cat had a big sign up said. The gassing at work stand back yeah. It was no big supersecret thing right, but if you're, not you don't read the sign. The other thing that Dutch and addressed to us that the concept that the Eldridge disappeared from the Philadelphia shipyard The re appeared in Norfolk and am reappear back in Philadelphia. Well that happen, but it just went there and then came back right, but it didn't happen in like five minutes for ten minutes and thirty seconds

again, he points out like if you are really, if you're, just casually paying attention, you might have seen the the Eldridge in Philadelphia that night and then noticed it was missing late at night and they notice it was back in the morning here, which would seem impossible, because that was supposed We are today trip yeah two days, including their back get round trip was today's up the up the coast, but apparently Navy had a canal that they use. I think the Delaware Chesapeake Canal, that only the military could use and they can make their round trip and six hours answered, in other words its easily explainable that it just simply, I keep once they sailed, but it's not sailing. I think they still call it that do they set sail much about it shipped out and his all ship back,

in the regular amount of time, and it just became part of the lure near, and I mean you can even tack on a few hours, they apparently nor focus when they were, they outfitted it with with the explosives and apparently they could loaded a battleship and for our here. So, even taking Count it still ten hours if it shipped out at eleven p M, which is what the dungeon says right: the urgent dudgeon here. He he says a ship that at eleven it still be back by nine. I am so again if you just casually paying attention what seems pretty mysterious really took on legs over time. We like a game telephone like any conspiracy, theory, sure, maybe there's an eternal truth. It got exaggerated by some drunken sailors and then Bam get shrunk down to ten seconds through teleport

an experiment. Well any sailors, the drunken sailors, supposedly could have been overheard saying things like in other gonna make a ship disappear. There make us invisible when, in fact, they were saying, is they're going to make it more or less visible to these mines got all twisted around it wasn't literally invisible yeah, and so there were apparently tons of firm merchant. Seamen around the area as well. Yes, so again, this would have classified stuff. If there had been loosely lips rethink ships, they do in somebody had said like we're gonna invisible like you said they were picked up on that. Maybe they were the ones who are just casually paying attention to the to the Eldridge. Here they earn it just seemed disappearing, reappear and there's a guy named Robert Gordon, and he in nineteen eighty faint magazine, article wrote about tracking down.

Carlos Andy Use from the same hometown and turned out that he already knew the guy's father. He just didn't realize that he was Carlos Andy's, Father or Carl Alan Father, your old man, Alan son, we're pretty nice and he managed to enter the family and a pretty good picture, the guy, but one of the things that he found was Karl Alan's merchant seamen papers. Yet so it's entirely possible. He was there the time or if he wasn't there at the time he may have been removed. Known somebody who was there at the time. I could totally see him then there and that's probably how we get the idea that took it up right. Ok, we will now and again all of this lane squarely on the desk of Karl Alan, because no one, no one talks about the Philadelphia experimental. It was never. Those words were never put together until he. His first letter to more is just a bright.

Here's to have been the elderly fabricated by him. Yeah and after the movie came out. People started coming out of the woodwork this guy clearing a dude name, Alfred biologic website. Oh yeah, he's me something else: he made a video called the authority of the experiment, part one crossroads of history, and he claims that he was a physicist on board the Eldridge, and he was part of that. and not only that he says he. I travelled in nineteen forty We all the way to nineteen. Eighty three during the experiment to tell his story the sun's Ex greenly close to the plot of the Philadelphia experiment movie.

The Inter there's a little differently in the movie. He travels from nineteen forty three to nineteen. Eighty four who always reach didn't like this is a fascinating website, but he puts himself squarely at the centre of the Philadelphia experiment and he also says that he was part of the mountain project here with their swords tied together. Somehow the oil should do that at some point. Somehow debunking things this guy, this guy wrote a book where it is basically made the stuff about a whole cloth near. He says the book whether you take. It is science factor science fiction you're in for a really great story, even those it's basically loaded with soft facts, as this is the author and the preface right, yeah, but basically extension that, like the the thrill of experiment, was wildly successful and from that we learned all sorts of things like getting entitled, extraterrestrials being able

Our port everywhere is doing all sorts of really interesting things. Basically, anything you can possibly think of that. A conspiracy theories would enjoy chairs crammed into this book and it's it's giving them a bit of gravitas by associating with the failure of expense. dinner in some quarters. Man some quarter said that definitely gives some gravitas the green glow has been explained away by most people is maybe and alive. storm or saint, almost fire. and it was just you know- maybe just another part of the story that people took and ran with it, or maybe it was nothing at all, yes, it also could have been the Office of Naval Research put out a fact sheet on what they understand about the failure of experiment, and they said possible. Another origin or the origin of that specifically was experiments with the. U S: S Timmerman

later on after the war, in the fifties here, where they tried to use a small generator. That was high power than the generator that was currently on board and it actually cause coronal discharge with a glow. And they said that no was injured. Known was a mess to into the ship. Now it was just a glow was created, which is what you would expect from a very strong electrical feel right here. So they think, possibly that combined with the DE gassing stuff there doing during world war, two came together and help this legend take off by what they say. Also, though Emma was supported by the reunion of U S: S, Eldridge Sailors and ninety. Ninety nine is that even the guy who debunked and discredited everything that Karl Sandy said dudgeon, he was full of it to guarantee because the U S S Eldridge, wasn't in

Philadelphia. Then there was in Brooklyn here they got together in Atlantic City, and I read an article in this meeting and they had a good laugh and said that one agreement even has something about his license plate to so people like ask him about it and if you haven't said they would put people's legs and say like. Oh, no, I disappeared, in my hand, was caught in the ship and then they would say none of this happened, but they said that there was in Brooklyn in the ship's log confirms that so apparently wasn't even in that shipyard that day at all right. So that's that's the only programme. Michael wait a minute. How could they completely invent that it was even in the shipyard? Why would they just use it shipped? It Their because then I believe we gave it a little more credence if those at least a ship there, but that's what I'm saying like Carl Alan he made a he said all this. He was the one you just came up with it from the beginning, That seems a little weird that you, you did.

Care at all about making it believable by picking a boat that was actually there was something he may have been there at the time. He may have known that the outrages there and just fudged the date, because you can remember because this is like twelve years later for thirteen years after the fact remains that right, so maybe he just got the day wrong. Anything really did happen and then the owner would be like that experience earlier. We teleport it arouses. Please just got the day around, so we ve mentioned quiet things here that why this thing has lived on through the years there that Jacques, allay the arises that you know any family. Like a movie made about it or any kind of imagery? What It's a photo. The Loch Ness monster to follow the man talk, monster people gonna have something physical. The point do and say: look they made this movie and that's when people started come another one

because after the movie saying oh yeah, I was there. I remember that now, Michael Parade just reminded me against thing that happened. He also has my Everything on his website is there. He met they pay. that he later realized was the actor Mark Hamel in Hawaii. Nineteen, fifty six, but more camel would have been five at the time. Did he say is little myself it? I don't think he is not here to eat he's a full grown adult interesting, what else the and the fact that it stood the federal government, of course in the in them. Terry. You know, people gonna run with that stuff, which I mean that's the military thought I remember Alyosha, they did secured experiments still do tons of back and ninety ninety three some stuff that got declassified and really open people's eyes to the fact that the government and the military fishermen and on and on

formed an unwavering subjects that system that in its ranks, but also in the general public, so yeah, it's totally the idea that the military would do this with its own people on board. Yet, let's believable, probably the most valuable part of the whole thing, the greed and also just dumb, though Auburn, Einstein in their throw in a secret scientific theories that have been proven and it's just a ripe for the pickin when it comes to conspiracies and the suit

I would of course, like we mentioned earlier that definitely doesn't help. It did not help the case any, but this is one that I am our time finding people that still believe this year. I think a lot of people. I kid are unaware of it even except for the movie, you know it s, health, they get legs. There is a book in nineteen, seventy nine and it was called the Philadelphia experiment, Colin Project invisibility, and it was reprinted in in excerpts in papers around the country as as fact, Ryan fiction in nineteen. Seventy nine does not help. Doesn't things. You know I personally with all conspiracy theories. At this hour I enjoy reading the stuff. I think it's fun and funny and interesting on up there. any that I really believe in, but I do think it's funny when people get out all upon their hackles and right in.

You know, that's what I think is one of the stuff in it. You know you don't know can be real. Well, that's the only thing man, I'm glad you brought us because they're like that, just being like notice, has not passed. Blake stupid, stop thinking stuff like that, it's like now, this is at the very least people using their imaginations in exercising ways that I dont typically do so. It is nice to come kind of visiting check it out and read it in a year. Although I claim to have seen a ghost, so what do I know exactly, although I have to say probably the best excuse against this? There are two things to say just on its face. This isn't right one. This happened seventy years ago. If the military successfully transported battleship, we would know about teleportation. Bye, bye, now be doing it all over the place. Zactly. The second thing was a quote:

Robert Gorman, the guy who track down car island in that nineteen. Eighty fate magazine article, he wrote if we are to believe Carl Alan are Naval Hierarchy, abandoned sanity and historical precedent by conducting an x payment of enormous importance in broad daylight, using a badly needed destroyer escort vessel think that kind of sums it up nicely agreed but go forth and read about the Philadelphia experiment cause. It is interesting, stuff watch the movie of. Why not Netflix knows only too. I think he looks at me I gave alleviated through it. I did I'm telling you like coming. I was working too. I had two like windows open by their. There was five: that's fine! It's believable tron! That's judges!

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