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go to stop. You should know a production of Iheart Radio pay your world from. Do the podcast, I'm Josh clerk in theirs. Charles, though, vetoed brightened Jerry's here, This is a step we should now, You know I've been thinking for today's wheels on the bus go round and round. Now, that's pretty good guess what do not doubt that out now chow jailer I can't get it out of my head. The get Godzilla sound now at our meeting over and over his jailer. That's a great song tumor who played it. Was it get your winner Johnny Winter, I don't know things. What are the winners? Ok, that's my guess. The long winters definitely not the long winters who can

So shocked, we're talking about a piece of American, a true cry: I'm history there. I had no idea about actually- and am I noted, the because of the timing and because the location I hit up my beloved former hippy aunt, who lived in San Francisco at the time it was raising kids do you remember this said. Oh yes, I remember this behind she had kids, they were about to be bus. Riding agency was not very comfortable with this. This whole jam. It provided discomfort, yeah yeah, that's one way to put. So did you even save the name ever? Let was no, it's the Churchill school bus kidnapping is what people usually refer to it s right, and I think this was

this news at this end- and I apologise because I usually make note of that, so I can show them out, but I did not do so in this case, so I missed you know who this. But yet this was in nineteen. Seventy six in still stands according to the sources as the largest domestic kidnapping. In U S history, to my answers area, seated Chelsea said she was not very into her. It was not very comfortable. Data is very disappointing. Yeah the block just mass kidnapping for ransom. I'm not sure why that's qualifiers, but it in by dumb yeah that I saw the same thing to that is still stands, and it was like the idea that the most of anything happened. This little town of child killer in the same Working Valley about a hundred and fifty miles South EAST of San Francisco it in and of itself

significant. But it was a really terrible like most of event that happened to this poor little town as we'll see alright. So should we just start on July 15th, one thousand nine hundred and seventy six. Yes. right will paint a picture for you, your dimension, where it was between Fresno in San Francisco out in a part of California that dead. Some very, very small towns at the time is hard to imagine anywhere I would warn you having forty six hundred people living there, but that was the case in the mid seventies and shall Sheila, and it was the next to the last day of summer school and a bus was being driven after a because it was summer school, a little fun day trip to a swimming pool, driven by fifty five year old X, ray yeah. Who is a farmer therein, Churchill chill himself. Apparently he bailed, hey, like nobody's business around Major woman named Odessa, who is a bank teller at the Bank of America, and he was apparently quite

happy being a farmer and then driving kids around on the school bus cause. Even after this he contain on for another dozen years as the school bus driver that right. he had only dropped off a few kids. At this point- and there were eighteen girls and seven boys on board from five to fourteen. Notably the fourteen year old, because he will factor in pretty heavily here. His name was MIKE Marshall I haven't even supposed to be on that bus usually got I picked up by his mom, but he got busted the night before, with some beer and his mom says your punishment got a ride. Cool home here tomorrow, in after school or after the trip early. He was like. I don't even know what buster taken him, because I don't do this but he knew who re was and so

went at raids had hey man, will you none of this? Is my bus or not? Will you take me home and had re is Ed racy what shore Clearport? So thank goodness, he said yeah so after that that third style there are twenty six kids and Ed re on board and add re was continuing along this route and eternal, and do a street called Avenue twenty one and, as he turn on avenue twenty one ed re found that there is a white Van blocking the road and apparently he thirty go around it and then I guess thought better of it and I wanted to stop and see if they needed any help. Instead and Wendy He realized very quickly that he was actually being hijacked because we see a man. With a long gun in pantyhose. in his head, you're, probably being hijacked, that's right. The first thing he said was this one guy who said opened the door and then He realized there are a couple of other guys

same Emma, I think they had shot guns the pantyhose and they said getting back. I will take over the driving from here. If you watch the movie Did you see any that? No? No, I haven't you will get to it. There's a there's a lot if a movie they came out of the nineties think ninety three looks like it was maiden eighty three somehow that is on Youtube and I highly recommend scrubbing through it. I wouldn't say: watch the whole thing could not enough if you'll be able to but Carl Malden yeah they re an add on of its true to the story, but he got I'm a lotta guff about get none of that driver's seat in the movie really. yeah, I don't wanna happen in real life or not Malden Improv. If I've ever heard one yes and I'm not getting out of my seat, her hate my feet hurt

so even eventually did though, and they drove they drove that bus. By the Van for a bit and then eventually transferred those kids to that man. And another identical man, and you know that I think we should point out a few smart things. These guys did along the way because they mainly did dumb things, but the kidnappers did make them jump from the school bus to the van, so they wouldn't leave footprints yeah And in these vans they had all the kids and Ed re in the veins now to vans, and they had kind of like deck. These vans out dumb with kind of shoddy manner of adding plywood partitions to keep the kids from getting out from anybody being able to see, and I think they painted over the windows and then they do of those kids around four. Eleven hours in the backs of those vans no party breaks no food.

No water, no nothing. They just drove. Moreover, for eleven hours in July, the middle of July, in the same Keen Valley, pretty merciless, Lee before finally arriving at the destination, which Emily, was only a hundred miles away from where they kids had been kidnapped. They think they just wanted disorient the kids. I think that was kind of sport as well as It had been Euro eleven hours away if they manage to escape or something right. One of the girls years later did say that she saw through a crack that they were up there with ac, go and drinkin sodas and have a good old time and the kids in area or back their suffering, just terrified, obviously of what's going on right. That was Jennifer Brown hide. He said, then she has not she's not very happy with this whole thing. It's still to this day. For I understand the as you can imagine so. Finally, at three thirty a m on Friday morning, they were hijacked

after three thirty on three thirty p m on Thursday, they finally stop driving at three thirty in the morning Friday morning and they arrive at a rock Corey, Therein, liver, more California, apparently again, two hundred miles away from child Schiller, and this is the with it, but the can never see as the the final destination for these kids until their ransomed off until the authorities cough up the money and what the what they ve done. His bury a moving Van Mine trailer so like a huge moving truck the trailer part of it. They buried it a total of twelve feet underground and have covered it with four feet of dirt and they ve opened a whole per ladder in and told the kids get down there and they re too. That's right and as the kids were going down in this kind of points to the direction of how done these guys were and how unprepared. They were, even though they it turns out. It would have planned this thing for about well over a year. They

down their names and their phone numbers in contact and parents names not clipboard legal pad, But on the back of a jack in the box wrapper, now and then they took apparently some kind of peace of clothing from each kid, because the idea was once again is that they have many. the kids, that should bring many many monies and dollar bills. There were exactly in the fact that their kids means that people do anything to keep them safe. So short, we can figure, they got a pretty good payday with twenty six kids that there now holding hostage in a buried, moving Van trailer and in in the trailer they had done a little more than they had in the van, so they had peanut butter Cheerio some bread down there, some water, but definitely not enough to keep all those people alive for a very long time. They also thought of bathrooms. Bathrooms in the wheel wells.

and they they dropped a ventilation tubes with some fans to force air in into the young into the van. So there was fresh air down there, but now I from what I understand, yeah, that's right in the one I faith mistake they made was that for their comfort, they included some bad old box brings in mattresses and for them, but for them to sit on and weigh on which would end up being their undoing. Should we take a break, I think we should, because now you got twenty six kids buried in a buried trailer right now in Livermore California, at three hundred and thirty in the morning. Not a good thing to happen. That's right! So we'll pick up with. What's go,

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The New York Times can fit into your life and why times, dot com, slash life. all right, so I shall Schiller that bus doesn't come so obviously everyone freaks out pretty quickly an entire school bus, full of kids and a very trusted man about town like people neutrinos, a small town, people knew at re and he was a good guy by all accounts they were all missing, so The very first thing that happens. Is they look at the school bus which had been hidden in some with some bamboo and camouflaged, but they did find the bus ride away, which

You know on one hand, that's good because they have a lead, on the other hand, that just since this thing into the stratosphere, as far as panic goes sure, because where are these kids? Yes also, that us head, basically, no clues honour whatsoever. So it's like. We found the boss, but that doesn't help at all. Yeah, I'm sure they were panicked by that. So it became pretty. clear pretty early on that. The the child Sheila Sheriff a guy named a gates, was going to need, some help, so the F b I came to town, apparently they buy every one of the hotel rooms in the two hotels in town they brought like all the state law enforcement This is, like everybody just converged on this town to help out, because it made National NEWS, like almost instantaneously, I saw somewhere Chuck that, like this, is during the bicentennial, and

bicentennial just been going on in going on and going on, and there is still bicentennial self going on in this stopped it like this kidnapping, nooses kidnapping, stop the bicentennial celebration demonstrates that was the end of it. Not just for this town. For the whole country. Oh yeah, I mean this went right up. So President Ford, the time in August governor, Jerry Brown as they they through They could at it. The media descended upon Churchill like super fast and because, as the will you start getting these these terrible stories about like? Well, maybe cuz, you know they never caught Zodiac in this is just six or seven years. I think after the final, What would end up being the final killing? So they said. Maybe it was the zodiac because they made ready still wiping he made reference to wiping out of school bus at one point in any Tipp that came they had to follow this issue on the side of the road. So they have to track down that tip,

there was a move novel and nineteen. Fifty eight called the data children vanished where the the gang of people abducted, bustle of kids, just to bring people out of town and distract them while they robbed bank raise wife. What did the bank like? He said so they put a bank under surveillance said there were you know it was an avowed describe it as a panic is the FBI was on the scene in this state. California, bureau investigation. so there are doing good work, but there was a frenzy of activity Yan. I think this shit If we had all the help we possibly needed to chase down all these leads in everything, but from what I saw there was just not much to go on. There were there, they were just dead ends, left and right, and so like was: there was a up to an enormous amount of panic in terror in the town family, certain converge.

drawing on the firehouse, the local firehouse. For some reason, I'm not sure why. But it became like the good meeting place for anybody concerned about this the kids and dumb. This is where news would first be broken and I think the media they hung around there too. So you begin to imagine how anxious the parents were in. The town and then apparently the whole country was was anxious as well, and so it was really kind of surprising when all of a sudden at about, I think about eight p m the next night Saturday night, so the kids have been gone, for. Almost about very the wine about thirty hours, thirty two hours, something I thought at this point: thirty two hours of terror when all of a sudden at that quarry some people are working. and a man in a bunch of kids run over and it turns out to be they. The kidnapping victims, who just present themselves to a security guard

at the at the quarry in Livermore who gets on the phone and says we found that right. amazing and you think well pretty sensational story, but it was very short space of time and all the kids are fine. So as a really story, it's a story because, as will see the trauma that they suffered emotional, and how it went down in who these people were who kidnapped them, but before we get to those dumb dams. Let's talk about the sky. They were down there about twelve hours in running out of food and water. The rule oh you know they had a lot of weight on this moving the roof in those things aren't super strong, so the thing was, you know: can a dented in seem like it might cave in and they were worried that they just couldn't stay there. Basically- and this is where the story I may, I guess, we'll cover points of view the immediate history and aftermath at re save the day.

the only adult there. So obviously he was the one that broke this kids out of there years later. You know we mention MIKE Marshal the fourteen year old in wasn't supposed to be my buzz, and he was far and away the oldest kid there in the most capable to help years later, after While this story of Ed, he finally came out and said You know, I raise a good guide, unwanted disparage him, but like it was my. idea- and I was the one that really lead the charge to escape and he was a big mess. Can crying in his hands that they were doomed and dead and he got on board and helped me, but it really me and the reason I kind of believe that, after reading all the accounts is it took many years Him too kind would come out with this, and it felt like he even felt bad for saying so so I think that might Marshall effectively the charge to escape while his his account

operated by another gaining Larry Park, who wrote a book called the child, chill a school bus, kidnapping Colin. Why me, I don't know if you corroborated in matter in an interview later on, but he was there and he said that. That's true that that's how it went down. On the other perspective, the fact that, like win Ed re like live the rest of his life, he saving child killer. Most of those people, kids, who been kidnapped with them state and child killer and he was dying. Those same kids as adults now came and visited amazed is bedside, say: go by there's plenty of opportunity for in a little town to certain King, you know whispers and that kind of thing in that doesn't seem to have any seems to have died, considered a here, who is well so my take on a check is there He may have been gloom and doom about their prospects to begin with, and maybe it really was MIKE Marshall,

Who said no, we need it. We need to try to get out of here, but even MIKE Marshall said after awhile, once MIKE Marshall started to try Edward joined in and started helping My daughter did enable ranks yeah they may not have been able to get out had grown man not been helping young like push against this tool. Agree, I think work. Thickly, Parker Carson, the Saint garage here, yeah, look at em there's your both here is So here's how they got out. They took those mattresses and stack them up and they took a part one of they can smash. One of the Box Springs which were framed in wood, and they started using that word is like a sort of makeshift crowbar to try and where these guys can members had done as they put it What of iron played a scene manhole, but it was some kind of heavy metal plates over the thing, along with two industrial tractor batteries which are super heavy and then dirt So there's ended up being several hundred pounds kind of weighing the thing down this escape hatch, but they were able.

after hours and hours to find the countries that would deprive open just enough to where they see stars I'd and dirt leaking in and with, help of array and in his You know manly man, strength they were to climb out of their might marshal, was so my mom he'll climbed out and then from that moment on in so apparently also add Ray really worried. I guess MIKE Marshal was too, but it was not a deterrent for him, but they were worried that there was at least one or more of the kidnappers hanging around with a gun alardo. it's going to get so there was a good chance it in their minds that you ever gonna poke through just be shot on site sure. So there were about that, and luckily remark, Marshall poked his head up. He said there was no one around there's nobody guarding it did. It turned out that they had long since left and that some Marshal had Ed racer, aiming handing kids up to him and they got all the

now, and then they re out- and might Marshall ran into the woods to hide so in case the kidnappers worse still around just haven't seen him yet in those kids were intercepted by Emily's, MIKE Marshall, would be able to run away through the woods in and get help. Smart but it turned out the kidnappers. Weren't Erin, and somebody luckily was still working at the quarry. I believe, including a security guard when Ed Reign. The kids ran up in presented themselves so that tell up, and then I guess the guy got on the phone and within moments of that happening, the news made it back to church that they'd have been found safe and they were all alive. Generally unharmed and at re, was basically automatic. hailed as a hero, Carl Mouth, Carl Maldon will certainly portrayed as the hero yeah and the lifetime movie. They said you anything if like to say and say, said to state my feet, hurt, and you know we'd again want to point out. This was

thirty six hours from beginning to end, but these kids were didn't know what was going on above ground. They were height, they were, gino stripping down to their underwear Carl Mobile his underwear. Even in the movie nice, they were running out of food and water. So as a five to fourteen year old, I mean at re, was in hysterics year. You think you're going down there. So it may not have been. You know kidnapping that lasted days and weeks by that doesn't minimize the trauma that these kids suffer down there. completely, not knowing what was going on above ground and daring to gave not knowing if they were always an advantage. Come speeding down alone. After like it, it took a wild till they felt safe and then, on top of it, chuck you'd said it kind of earlier, but I think it really bears repeating they were real. Worried that the roof of this thing was going to cave in four feet of dirt.

top of a moving van roof that had been in the in the perpetrators. Defence had been reinforced, lumber, but not very well, That's a lot of weight, hang in pushing down on this, and if you see pictures of what the thing looked like from inside see how they would have been very nervous that the thing was gonna cave in item in in crushing area like the pictures of it afterwards that roof was in the process of caving in India, those very nerve racking, of course, if that were to happen, the dirt probably would have caved in and get some of em dirty, and then they can crop up. I hope hopefully- who knows but up inasmuch as they did know what was going on down there. No, they did so, but now there free there there. There are safe and the authorities go, get em, they the FBI, the sheriff everybody's interviewing them. This is. Ours is more hours for the parents Child Shoah, having away was a m a greyhound bus. There waiting

then brought them back, whose pretty There is a lot of donations going on, like apparently Pacific Bell donated just new phones but new phone lines, because there are so many calls being made by the authorities and by the press, which will February and second charm, they the Greyhound bus lines donated that bus ride, which is worth mentioning the I guess, the FBI, need their time, who knows that they get paid, but there is There is a lot of fun there like a lot of banding together to support this town. As they were going through this, and I just thought it was cool, a greyhound bus it rolled up with everybody inside they got off but I can never get not one of those again well at the dead cat I'm under us, like maybe we should send like a few, are not even Vance since twelve cars, no buses November

it's gonna be ok, I get reason we're just man walk the hundred and, of course the kids got get at it. land. That was a big one here. Welcome. They get a parade. They get gonNa Disneyland and it was it as soon as the town went from the saddest place on earth to the happiest place on earth in this and thirty six hour yeah they have a huge feast. I saw there Ed RE, one, a vacation that he appeared on Hollywood squares, which is its peaks. That's p, exposure in the mid says every six short and shut there is one other little fact that we have to say about this. That Robert who lay recorded a song, kindly valid of Churchill Array, it's so obscure. It is not on Youtube. Some further, curse it or blessedness all put it on sound cloud.

There's a cover version on Youtube. Oh yeah, from another person I confide, I recommend the sound globular version is there. It is article, nineteen Seventys in every way. It's unless Annabelle I mean through most of it did you make it through all of it. I made it so let us get to the end again. It was something because a third alike disco, but it so that very seventy thing when they wrote these? free songs like about the kid the jumping off of it. such a heavy bridge or whatever not such as to what was it Billy Joe Mcallister, like they were besides in the seventies, weird sort of folk stories on ballad yeah, but not I mean the ballad- can be like a love song. These were like folk story ballad were met. It was like told a story

but I think about Balance- is love song, surely, but a love story The air supply wrote ballads. They didn't write, songs about folk heroes, jumping off her bridges Zena, they should have sure Well, I don't know, there's really nothing. Air supply could have done, do have improved their game, they were, the likelihood of some great when the best contracts I ever saw my life was air supply. Jackson, the Florida. The amazing occurs I was amazing, I said it before. I say again: it was like the Fabric of reality was coming apart at the seams and we were right there to witness it was so cool. I didn't know you took ecstasy that show that I didn't that was what's a significant about it. We were daily sober yeah. What was it about their lives?

songs from your childhood or something no, it was- I mean yes, that was part of it was great to hear all those songs and see him live. It was the chemistry between the two dudes, they still after all. These years is really need to see, and about really kind of made it unreal was. It was all almost had the same feeling as like a really energetic tat revival like people were were wandering down the aisles like Lyle you could tell they were moving, not necessarily of their own will they were being drawn towards the stage it was it was. Bazaar was so cool, see people are just out of their minds, air supply show an end like when I don't think any of them were on ecstasy either. I think, like everybody was like people with their moms or with their kids, are shortly a knee show I'll, never forget ever amazing, so go see.

supply the obscure they're playing a third rate casino near you, probably at Bay they definitely do the work for sure they suffer with more than air, though it sounds like dude and the young. The guy's voice still is a hundred per cent occurred as it was in the seventies, which is probably why innocent man? I was watching videos day, livelihoods of them recently getting the do sit around, but death we check out the song on sound cloud, oh then listen to his much of it as he can. You won't make it all the way through the ballot of child Schiller, so bad now. I understand why Elvis would shoot the tv whenever robber good lately, my cousin, that, because of that What good is that? Why should the Davies report for some apparently no one knows why, but whenever rubber Greeley would come on, you issue does tv something

did you really mad and shoot a toaster resolve in or whatever LAO, but he was sure that's pretty good are so these kidnappers getting back to the story that the Chancellor Schoolbus kitten? These guys were Three real low rent scumbags, who were didn't have opinion their name and were desperate for cash right. in some ways kind of, but if they were all all three rich kids. If you can put those two things together, there were three rich white kids, one pacifically Goober Rural Trust, Fund, Kenya, He was the ringleader, we're talking about redwoods James Showin felled, who were money for than James's younger brother. Richard use twenty two but redwoods Frederick anew Hollywood's the fourth.

The ringleader, and I guess you could call the brains if there was, but he came from a long line of California money his one of the answers, was Henry May. I knew all who came in eighteen, fifty, two California part of Santa readers knew all California name for him. They to turn a money in real estate speculation. And railroads and then eventually, oil and ranching and had a several hundred million dollar family fortune. Yeah I read that they may seventies about three hundred and fifty million a year in the seventies a year since their family, doing nothing in by the time the sky of Fred Woods. The fourth came along. There were generations of this family that had never worked a day in their life. So it's not like his parents.

it rich in they remembered their roots, like their roots were just gobs. Mockingly wealth is, is wealthy, that's what their wits, but they knew, and apparently Fred was not particularly paid attention to buy his parents, and it had some effects on him and thus also that he had trouble living up to his father's expectations for him of do nothing blue blood near by that his the his dad's approval, meant a lot to yeah. That's a terrible position for any any person to be in, and I feel for him in that respect, and I also think from from I saw there is a New York Times article about him, while I believe you still at large, where he said described as a loser in the headline yeah the New York I'm calls him a lizard at least as other people called him a loser in their headline. Here's that kind of person in again

was the seventies, but he was also that kind of person. He just said he was. He was the product of wealthy neglectful parents from what I can tell, and also an education system that seems to have failed them, at least in the grammar portion, Get to that. He was didn't, have a lot of friends. He never really had a ton of girlfriends. He, which is ironic, has ended up being married four times which will get to. He lived in a converted apartment and out building on the nearly eighty acre estate. In port a valley where his grandmother in his parents lived even though they were travelling by themselves? Usually he got it that rock quarry your first in it should that they may not have had the smartest plan because his dad owned it and he was into cars. He collected cars with his money, the the ringleader did he dozens and dozens of cars and his buddy Jane

to help them. He was rich. Do not that can a rich but his apparent his dad was a podiatrist, so They had doktor money, so they were doing pretty well as well, they got into various businesses. Together they had a used car business together. They never did super well seems like in any other business ventures because it seem like they weren't super smart write, another good descriptors that Fred in particular loved his cars, any love to shoot the windows out of his cars with his get on but he also loved. Yet I had a lot of guns between them as well. I mean it sort of what you think there are these rich kids. We weren't paid attention they could do whatever they wanted and ended up getting into trouble. He he had Fred had designs on being a film producer and part of that concept. For this kidnapping. Was the school bus kidnapping in the movie dirty Harry yeah, and he said, This would make a great movie to which will get to sort of the boy

die on that later on. But he James ended up losing some money about thirty grand. not a housing deal and, depending on the reports, Some people say they were desperate for money. But if you talk to James, he said by a ferrari with it right is my neighbors had or is, and it was a keep up with the Joneses. It does situation yeah, that's exactly right. At Nino, Fred was born into it. I think took money largely for granted, but James in in richer, but James in particular, really and felt new to the area and didn't fit in because they didn't have as much money. I think they're their dad was punching above his class socio economically in the area they move to end. His sons kindest suffered for it because they fell out of place because they just They just did not have anywhere near the kind of wealth that the their peers had where they were, they now lived and that seems to have got into James, and that was Big motivation, I've never saw Fred Woods motivation did you, I mean, I think part of it.

Did you with that thirty grand in debt, but I think part of it dude as he was a board rich kid in some ways, Right like that, may have been the reason so damn, I also in dumb. Also. I have the impression that that there Jameson Rick shown felled were. Blamore moral than Fred was apparently in his journal, James Road, at the time that here worried. He was becoming immoral as they were like really planning this an is he and his brother were both eagle scouts? So I guess they it. It is fair to say that the kind of fell under the influence of Fred Woods who had no qualms about this whole thing. He convinced them due to give up their qualms as well yeah. I think the last time you say the word. Smart thing that they did was they were initially hatching the idea they said

He saw the news. California saved. California, has a five billion dollar budget surpluses and we're not gonna, get money, kidnapping a kid, or even twenty, six kids from their parents, for their parents to pay ransom, but if they are on a school bus, then is the responsibility of the state of California, and they ve got all this dough, so five million. Is this chump change to them right. So we get them on a school bus, then their liable and that's how we're gonna get the most money yet, and so the calculation they made was that there was nobody was gonna, get hurt, they knew they. They weren't going to physically hurt those kids yeah. They knew that California had a budget surplus, but even more than that that that their insurance company, the states, whoever ensured the state, would end actually paying that five million dollars and that they were just basically taking five million dollars from the state that the state didn't really need

and that nobody was gonna, get hurt and then that calculation and really kind of reveals like how much they did use any kind of morality which, as they did, they utterly failed to take into account like the psychology. When emotional damage they were going to inflict on these kids and their parents and the town in general. You know yet, and I think that one of the things that because I think I think that even in the end, they saw it as like, not the biggest delia, because no one was hurt and it was really quick but like when I saw and eventually spoiler go we're and say that the two brothers, were eventually paroled and we'll get all that, but you know that the news aims and twenty fifteen were like followed This guy around in a parking lot ass, he inquired friends and he's just trying to avoid it and one was like you do realize the trauma these kids have still suffered into adulthood,

and he just went the other. The you know that I've heard so I've heard and then just like quickly ran away. So even to this day there to get them to realise that there was a real impact in in in the end result was trauma and PTSD yeah in the region, it did, and I had the impact in part of the problem for child chill. Apparently, artillerists is transformed immediately, like you know, in when, if the victim of a crime. You you wonder like why. Why me especially random crime, this is a random crime perpetrated on a whole town near Like Churchill, it was of possible town among a number of towns in the area that those three travelled to and staked out and his kind of trying to figure out what the best the best victim would be for this crime. They just settled on child Schiller. They had no grudges against child Schiller. They had no time as a child chill would the problem was they didn't care about the people?

Chile or how they felt about children or what they were going to do to them. It was. A random dates, those them basically randomly and child. Chile is the kind of. rural farming town. Where people don't talk about their feelings. I think I get the impression that they still think that that's week shows a sign of weakness: so I don't really have the impression that the town is ever really process this and that they ve tried to forget and then there's a lot of problems. among the victims, who are now they're like fifties hum at that that have never really been resolved. There worked out because the town just tried to carry on as if it never happened, basically from the get go oh yeah some of them got had very hard luck stories getting in the drugs issue. Getting better in going through rehab in treatment and writing books about it. Others say they don't try.

people, they suffered nightmares for years. Some continue to others that they don't even really remember much of what happened. I imagine if here five years old, You're not gonna, remember as much as a twelve year old. I beseech you so, depending on your age group, you may have suffered some more obvious, lasting damage, but they're all damaged. The way these guys got caught is well I guess I was told that story during the investigation. One thing they found in here and will put this the dumb column on the property. where were Fred lives? They found a plan written out. That said, at the top plan. I think it was a kidnapping plan, even capitalize, the p Yeah they wrote it out here and they had a lot of ideas they wanted by an x machine. I think they do to two extra

in case the ransom money was button. they had a larger plan. There one plan about them. The state dropping the money from a plane in Santa Cruz Mountain right at a specific drop site, indicated by series of lights, but they also had this larger plan of pudding dummies in a plane with parachutes in It was sort of all over the map, this plan over the course of a year and a half. Yet there there is this reveals. I think a lot about them as well, that on that plan sheet, it said one of its line items was burned. The plan ridges Didn't get around that they are literally rience about gather learning to yeah and they had a lot of like scratch out and misspellings and apparently admit it referred to Fred by name in the ransom know. Yet they were plain to give to the authorities like really resolved only ass. They were trying to throw the authorities there trying to sniff the authorities off the case. I guess the eye posing

or presenting themselves as a say, ten, a group, and they said that their their name was Beelzebub, but they spell Beelzebub yeah, they spelled b, L as a b, you be, which is just a few, If anybody who knows how to spell that word, it's just like, if you miss spell things in your ransom. Note like you're not going to do very well for yourself, most likely that, right in the aftermath of the kidnapping from when they buried the kids too. When they left the plan was called the a police department? demand for five million dollar ransom, but the chill of phone system was very small and there were obviously when he cadet twenty six kids and the media Descending every phone line was busy. They literally could not get through with a ransom demand. The kids escaped

before they even got three with a ransom demand yeah, I think he said the donation the phone company they literally had to go in and install like dozens of phone lines. Just so the F B, I could operate effectively even yeah, so they never wanted guys do right, afterward when they couldn't get through, they decided they need scram that jig was up and they needed part ways, and they did Fred. Woods was widely enough to have come up with a passport with the name Ralph Snyder any travelled successfully to British Columbia. Think Vancouver. Do that fig passport, but then, when he was there, he started writing to people. He had a friend who was a oh, I think in film school and said hey. You should turn this to a whole like a whole host of movie There is a kidnapping that idea right. Just get me so, the the box office. I guess, but he said

but be the air to peace, is to be fair, but he's felt Hizbollah every hour ie- so that's it! It's inside the sis annoying made to no end then misspellings. by them, but then he signed the letter sent it as Brow Snyder. He sent it, as is his alias of the Copse F B. I tracked him like within days too vague. Over and get the royal canadian mountain. Please to arrest him. I wondered he knew the guy, though, in film school. I wonder if this guy was like. Who is it who thrusts earth he put in print disease? That's my alias this is crisis Fred don't tell the FBI but Miss Iled FBI, so Rick the younger, show and felt for his part, almost em, neatly confess he got home after the three of them met up and then split up went home.

and told his dad what he did his dad, because they had money again, podiatrist got him a lawyer to Sweden That's why we don't know exactly was one reason we don't know exactly what happened in those first like hours afterwards is because the lawyer can it kept quiet. Although I did see a news report, they said they they took naps. I don't know that What about it? But I did see that sounds right holds up if you put it up against everything else, keep in mind once again. They took these kids to a quarry. Fred Woods Dad own and where Fred Woods worked and the quarry security guards said when they were interviewed, said well yeah last week, Fred into other guys, dug a big hole out there. You know a few months before this happened like Oh, I don't know like a moving Van eyes, hole

he's gone now. So who cares rack exactly so? Rick turned himself in Fred got caught James, attempts to cross the border into Canada himself, but apparent the canadian authorities considered him a weight nervous be way too vague about what you plan to do in Canada in sea. Imposition of way too many guns to be led in the country and apparently try two or three times using his own name to get in a fight they gave up and turned around, and I guess here did he was gonna turn himself into authorities, but because of an all point bulletin on his license plate, he was picked up before he could turn him Well then, right so they're all collected in less than two weeks after it happened. Yes We must take our last break and then we willed kind of quickly go over the sentencing and what happened afterward right after this

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it'd bodily harm. Then you have a sentence of life without possible sentence of life. parole it. There was no bodily harm, then you could have life with parole, they ruled that they did suffer bodily harm so dead stomach trouble. They had nose, bleed some of the kids fainted and that that counted, but a nineteen eighty and appeals court a reverse that ruling said that is not bodily harm. made them eligible for parole and since then like I said earlier, the to show and fell brothers have been released, in the twenty twelve and twenty fifty right- long after some observers who were involved in the case can't think that they should have been paroled like especially Richard shown felt. He was twenty two at the time

Basically, there I saw described as along for the ride again an eagle scout. He probably became an eagle scout three four years before this happened, and he he he spent care thirty nine years in prison yeah, I guess so we ve seen as when he got up twenty twelve yeah, ok yap, so the about thirty seven years in prison of Zaire from age, twenty two he spent the next thirty seven years in prison for basically hanging out with his brother and his brothers, goofy friend, doing something really stupid and a lot of other people's again. If you're gonna, let Richard shameful that you should really probably take another look at Jane shown felled too, because yeah he was more involved than his brother, but tat. He was still no Fred Woods and then you get to Fred Woods and people say yea, probably just he doesn't really deserve to be

yeah I mean. The other two were model prisoners and they also had I mean people that were active. I don't know if it's a prosecutor or investigate, I think the investigator for the case, eventually vacated for parole both in here. So you know some the town People feel betrayed by that, yet they did get out Fred. it was not a model prisoner. He was still Haiti is ever you know, you're not supposed to to run businesses from prison, but He ran a gold mine. He ran a used car business. He ran a Christmas tree farm. He got married a few times. Others he was finally out it was. He was around the Christmas tree, far and Michael Bianchi. He was managing that business got injured on the job and would said I'm not gonna help pay for the surgery, so behind. He said our it any Father estate workers Comp claim

and they got on the investigation and found out that woods was behind the operation. So he's not. When that concern for parole that doesn't look good No, and I guess he's been denied parole seventeen times so far. The knees up next in twenty twenty four in a lot of people think people might not. He might never be paroled actually well here, the mansion, Napoleon California thirty miles in the prison that no one lives at. He did have a civil law suit and twenty sixteen where he had to pay money to the victims are there was described, as quote enough to pay for some serious therapy, but not enough to buy house, which is significant because they did rule own appeals, court rule the nineteen eighty that they didn't inflict bodily harm. But I wonder if, as appeals court would come to the to that conclusion. In twenty twenty one, a baseline inner,

with some of the people who were objected like oh no, I, like Jennifer Round high, do I mentioned earlier who's. Not I think emotional harm would play and these they write and there is definitely emotional harm inflicted. You talked about Larry Park who is addicted, amassing rack before he finally found forgiveness and actually went and met all If all three of the the perpetrators and shook their hand and told me forgave him and parenting changed his own life. Like that, Phyllis Edward said I can make it. have a deal on a young man. He had no four took his watch when he shook his head I was I was getting, but here my final little factoid is that you scarlet had those two vans: How long did those? Because he thought they would be worth a lot of money as the kidnap bans, yeah, which they might be worth an extra few hundred bucks? I can see that but- and I know that if that's the the crown jewels of your inventory, honour the cage bottom right,

Then you can go watch the movie from lifetime in nineteen. Eighty three called they ve taken our children. If you wanna see Carl Malden in his underwear, apparently bad movie, bad song, I read so they Churchill residents do not care for their movie chuck because it was shot in Kansas. And anyone who knows anything about the same more keen valley knows that Kansas is a poor stand in for that. So there a little turned off by that movie from what I understand and then last thing I want to shout out: Caleb Horton, who wrote article I'm vocs very in depth. One called the ballad of Churchill, a bus kidnapping, spigot, let's get on yet is the article, not the song. None are ok, it's an article because I got ok. Well, since we had, we worked out their misunderstanding, everybody. That means it's time for listener: male com,

this, let me see about racist ticketing enter episode on on anyone can we talked about people and the black and hispanic communities are ticketed more for jaywalking, MRS from Valerie mates in it, British hey guys. You mentioned the blackened hispanic drivers are issued more traffic tickets and why drivers his interesting issue Chicago. They install traffic cameras. They found that the cameras, despite being raised neutral, still gave more tickets to blacken hispanic drivers and so forth They want to study that the experts found that more affluent neighborhoods are built with more features that would naturally slow down traffic or sidewalks. More stop signs were crosswalk, while poor neighborhoods had few of those that fewer of those things and the result with cars, we naturally would tend to drive faster. Poor neighborhoods, since blackened span, drivers are more likely to live and be driving unless

the neighborhoods in Chicago. They were more likely to be speeding and thought by traffic cameras or so says the evidence of these crazy, not just prejudice on the part of police officers that causes this discrepancy is actually a difference in how the neighborhoods, build systematically, but it was really interesting- and I agree in very thankful- centre- who was it again? Valerie mates of Energy thanks a lot Valerie, it's a great one. a great one like Valerie, does we love little brain busters like that, so you wrap up speck on the bottom and send them off the email to stuff pie cast an radio dotcom stuff. You should now is a production of Iheart radio from our path My heart radio visit that I hurt radio apple had passed. if we listen to your favorite, shows

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