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the disappearance of a girl who is nineteen at the time. Her name was Torah Kaliko and she disappeared in New Mexico from the area where she lived and just stage is the fact that she's she's never been found like she basically vanished most without a trace. That's too sad enough in laying the more you dig into the story is very sad, but it also has some like this extra, hello layers. They your average, like true crime, missing person Probably murdered person story goes that make this case like one of the most fascinating recent true crime cases that that I can think of No! No! I know you didn't like this. One at all now is pretty upsetting you feel, like you, can make it. You want an exam

that should be left right, left right as usual, so the checklist is gonna, give some background on this case for everybody, who's not familiar. Ok, yeah Here's the deal- and you know Ed, helpless, put this together and he takes great pains to point out quite a few times that we no exactly all the facts, We know what we know from accounts from to tourism. And a little bit from some other family members and a little bit from the case. Files, although I dont think followed or available still, but I no, I saw otherwise it like that's that's. The problem with true crime is like, especially in the age of the internet, stuff diskettes piled on with dinner, weird facts that may or may not be true, and you know down to the fore. I don T, like are the case file still intact, that kind of thing but yeah. So so I think you're large points where we don't exactly know all the details. Right yeah

What we do know is that in nineteen eighty eight in September twentieth, she went for by cried. She was athletic and took these very long by grads, anywhere from fifteen to thirty something miles on a regular basis. Is a nineteen years old, smart, smart young woman and this in a universe of New Mexico and those living in a place called. I guess Beilin, New Mexico B, O n took her. Did I think its bell when Berlin, I think, sir? I think I heard somebody say it Ok and she left it now thirty, four this by cried and was last seen at eleven. Forty five on highway. Forty seven, which is kind of the stand route that she usually took. Apparently yeah are just a couple other details.

About taro. She was late. You said she was an intelligent person. I believe she was a sophomore in college and she was studying psychology or psychiatry wanted to. I don't think she decided yet, but she was in the field of psychology. She was a bank teller too, and when she had it out that day is very widely report that she had told her mom if I'm not backed by noon, come looking for me. I saw that mostly reported that she had said it kind of playfully jokingly, ingest. That kind of thing not that she had set out that day, going nowhere she was going to meet her her grim fate. I bet that she had a walkman with there too and that she was playing Boston and I can only assume because she was out for a bikers who is listening to Boston Self, titled, debut album, which has don't look back in it, which would be select for writing your bike to nineteen. Eighty eight, maybe so

or could have been the noon? I could have been theirs. Role that they release afterward, but Austin she's listening to Boston. Just remember, that's right and she was on her moms bike. Her Huffy bike, and she had a white T shirt. First, National Bank of Belarus and white short screen, Stripes white socks tissue, a butterfly ring with a dime insert a m the stone ring and then earrings half inch, haven't loop hearings, yup and choose Lassie from what I from what I understand on her way back from her bike. I'd along highway. Forty seven about, I think, like Levin, forty five, a m or something like that, and then that was there was it she was just riding along listening to her headphones. Last time she was singing the only

their detail that adds Likud varied cryptic twist to that last, citing is that she was reported being followed. It looked like buyer old, timey truck like one from like the fifties I think afford truck like some weird color like out a dirty grey or something like that year and the the cops and there will be a few different people working on this case, as is usually the case when its missing persons are different, agencies can involve, but in this case Valencia, county sheriff, Romero. His name is Lawrence Romero. He said that they found some bicycle tracks. About four miles south of where she lived, and it looks to them that they are. The to have been dragged off the side of the road and then back and they immediately thought that was pretty suspicious and then, when you together with the details of this pickup truck

and it was all of a sudden, a pretty serious case to them. Right yeah mean because you know, if you can find a girl, she doesn't show up home when she says she's going to answer. Said. Joking cryptic thing, of course, is gonna terrify your mom and dad did terrified him or her moms name was Paddy Dole. And petty was married to John DOE and through John Torah had to step simply, Chris, her brother and her sister stepsister Michel, and just immediately pad It was very, very worried when time didn't. She at home and then once the whence the evident started coming and she got increasingly worried, and probably the most tragic figure in this entire story

what is Patty, because from the moment like she started to get worried till the day she died in two thousand and six. She was worried. She was overwrought by this, like it just took her over and consumed her on, but one of the things to her credit for sure, as we'll see is that She didn't dislike collapse and buckle and in give in which she would have it. Have been very understandable head, she done that she instead channeled a lot of that fright and worry, and concern into action and spent like the most of the rest of her life work. Tirelessly trying to figure out what happened to her daughter find some evidence bring her home. I don't think she ever gave up the the idea that that Tahrir might still be out there or, at the very least, bring bring her killers suggests.

This yeah I'm going to I'm going to go with Tara after the most tragic figure in the story, but it was very sad what happened with her mom. She died in two thousand and six never getting any answers. Her biological father died in two thousand to her stepfather, now, like anyone, still holds out hope, although he, you know, he readily admit this from nineteen, eighty eight and the chances are almost zero. That anything is ever going to come to fruition about this he did have. She did have family that was looking out for her. You know, basically, rest of their lives near Fisher, inner sister. Michelle still carrying that on, like after Patty died in two thousand and six Michelle kind of took over patties roll of just trying to figure it out figure out what what happened, trying to keep the story of the case in the press,

and actually, while she was alive Patty and her husband, John managed to get deputized by the Valencia County sheriffs. So they were, they were actually allowed to carry guns. They were allowed to call contact. Other law enforcement agencies on behalf of the Valencia County Sheriff Department took to investigate the case. That's the kind of like the level of dedication that that they went to, which is pretty pretty. All that. That's how they channel that. Neither the sweet, late eighties, when you need to be deputize to carry a gun, her aid exactly because when I read that outside it really took that back, then yes, indeed think Sir mixed kill me, and they have a lock down out there. So as far as clue go they're, pretty scant. That's when the most frustrating things about this case There are reports that they did find a Boston, cassette tape,

a few miles from where she lived on that highway and then a piece of a walk me at a campground nineteen miles away that this seems like a stretch to me, it was a long way from highway. Forty seven, but you never know there wasn't any like they didn't prove necessary that that was her tape or part of her walk manner? Anything like that. No, they didn't bite the eye sought in a couple placing this is one of those examples of the facts. Getting convoluted, I saw that the Boston tape was found with the front of her walk man and the same. Location and then also I saw that there was found elsewhere. So who knows? But that is like one of like even that one tangible fact, is still questionable, and you can't even necessary we linked it directly to her like you are saying, and that was that's. That's all there was found they didn't find either her rings. They didn't find

shoes. They never found a bike. They never found anything except for those bike. Tire marks which see to be like a bike being dragged rather than ridden and then that Boston tape. And maybe or not a piece of the though the walkman again, who knows if that was her stuff or not, and they searched like dyke. They searched the area. Pretty pretty thorough from what I understand the M in any time. Others a missing persons like this, you have the big lineup marching through the word this one, the status things the see in a movie or tv show, and I can't seen one in real life never want to see one in real life. But it's too on the side things you can witnesses. The literally coming a field or the forest for US the body of somebody for sure. So this. Why should we take a break? Yeah, I think, is break time. Night was sick gear. We'll talk a little bit about some of the things that happened after the disappearance right after this

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right, so we mention this truck. This pickup truck vehicle number one in this case- that you need a sort of take note of a vehicle number two is a van with no windows, which those are always a little bit scary, It was in nineteen, eighty nine June fifteen, so less than a year after her disappearance in Ports Angel Florida and wait a minute chuck Howard of White Van imports Danger Florida. A year later, have anything to do with the disappearance of tar Kaliko a year earlier in New Mexico Well, it may or may not, but there was a little piece of evidence. Potentially that was left behind, What comes out of the convenience store the van drives away, and then she looks down and notices Polaroid on the ground. That look like was inside of a white Van. I think they later determined. It was in fact, from inside a van.

The on the inside of the van it was taken sorted from outside. Looking into the side door, probably were a couple of kids on some blankets and pillows a young boy around ten, and a young woman that look like she was probably middleweight teenager. And they were looked to be bound. Their hands were behind their back over. You couldn't see rope necessarily, but I don't see why you would assume anything, They had the tape over their mouth and they were kind of wealth hand and it's pretty pretty disturbing messed up picture. It's an extremely disturbing picture is, It is alarming actually like when you see this and it sinks in. What you're, looking at its deeply alarming picture especially when you realize they like this is real. This was really found in a junior food store

parking lot in nineteen, eighty nine imports Angel Florida, like some poor lady like came across this picture, was dumb sure, just terrified and the pictures significant enough that the moment they found it in like was it was reported. Do authorities they started setting up roadblocks around the county Gulf County Florida and to try to find this white Van. That, though, the the woman who found the picture head had seen parked in that parking spot when she came when she went in them and was when she came out of the picture, so they give us it's a very alarming picture in a lot of people said, I think, that's tar Kaliko and the reason that retard tar Kaliko found her family found out about it because a family friend had seen it on a current affair. For, I was so alarming in so sinister, and also so inexplicable, too.

I was not immediately trace. Anybody, it was not knowing came out immediately was like oh no, that was a hoax. We're just kidding that kind of thing: ended up on tv and very quickly. I guess tar calicoes mom had seen the the current affair episode and said that the Torah until fur. From that moment on in nineteen, eighty nine. Until today, it's that photos forever been linked to the tar Kaliko case, whether that's tar, Not yet- and there were a couple of other points about this picture, clearly visible next to the woman was the Vichy Andrews book. My we'd Argentina in obesity, Andrews flowers in the attic and those kind of disturbing the horror flesh. I guess I mean own if their horror, but there. They most of those books were about bad things that happen to kids, yeah air for sure in

does the horrors is apt. Horror, books, and the other thing is that the young boy in the picture a family immediately kind of came forward and said: hey we I think that that is our sun, Michael Hindley, he disappeared, camping trip in New Mexico and nineteen. Eighty eight as well. I am just as the man talking said. Basically, I'm sure that's him that was or can I found out to not be true because about a year after that they found his body death to exposure, so it became pretty cool that he got lost in the woods and died out there here, because it he was found not very far from the camping site that he disappeared from, so the chances that he had been abducted from that camping site, kept in a van taken to port Saint Joe Florida and then take him back to New Mexico or even just abducted and in Captain Nemo.

To cut the tissues pretty slip. Chances are far higher that he wandered often died of exposure and that's what the coroner finally came up with two a rule. This is Michael Hamleys death, but the fact that my Henley, disappeared in New Mexico and at tar Kaliko disappeared in New Mexico and that the two people, The young woman in the boy in this picture resemble those two just is like I said, is inextricably linked that photo to this this key he's in Taras mom apparently said forever that that she was sure that that was her daughter she's. Is a discoloration on the girl in the photos, leg that Taras mom said matched her daughters, scar from a car accident and she got in and a believer sisters said also show said that if you had asked me, if I had to say yes or no, if that's tar and the photo. I would say yes, but

also realise that you this that that makes zero sense. That doesn't it just doesn't make sense for this case, but that phone chuck. I feel like you do you know a lot of people link that photo to this case, but that photos, not even you know, guaranteed to be real. There's a lot of points that people have raised over the years. Said I don't know if this is actually a photo of what I repeat, what it seems to be depicting gear monsieur. I agree with any of those points either. To be honest, well. One of the big ones is that it's never been matched to any missing person ever right. There's no! ever come forward on the one hand and said this is just a hoax, we're just kidding in call off your search, on this and on the other hand, no one's ever said. This is this. Is that boy in this? Is that girl, that's missing, so it seems unlikely that a family would be unaware of that picture, a family that had taken it.

Is a hoax- would be unaware of not come forward, but it doubly unlikely that two different families with two different kids that had been abducted would not be familiar with. That picture, be like that's her son, That's our daughter right. It's a big one to me. Yeah There was another one where someone said that her legs appeared to be shaved and I think some people might say I said that would be unusual for an abduction victim ya, know by that, but that's what some people think evidently gay there's. Also, if you look closely the the people in the photos, shoulders aren't distressed right there, not, unlike this stress position, there actually kind of acts and if the, if they were bound because room Were the bindings are visible in the photo if they were bound their shoulders would be pin back a lot further than they are in that photo, so it suggests that they might not actually be bound right, nuts possible. I guess

and then the last one I saw was the tape that it should be much redder around the the tape on their faces. Then it is if they ve been wearing that tape for any significant amount of time Don't get that when I dont know why that its assume that they had to be wearing the tape for a significant amount of time they were wearing it in the picture I dont know that had saying like like I will, that proves that they were actually abducted or being held hostage. I think what they're saying is that suggest that it had just recently been put on. Yeah, which I believe someone was gonna- open the door to the van to take a picture of two bound children that they had snatched. They would probably put tape of their mouth. They open the door, would be my guess. The thing me the one point of all that that that just strongly suggests to me that that picture is Not actually real is that it is never since being

governing nineteen. Eighty nine since being broadcast on occur in a fair Oprah America's most wanted all over the internet that no one has managed to link it to either the the boy. Or the young woman in that picture to a missing person now that no one, no one besides the tar, calicoes family, besides her family, has come forward, Like now, that's our daughter that that's me says that I don't, I think it's. I think it might be a hoax. I guess I hate that word. These But I think that's what it is here, and we also didn't point out that the Torres mom said that that book in the picture was her favorite book so Who knows it was definitely an interesting piece of evidence. If that was her favorite book. Do you think that that was tar, Kaliko and the picture? Do you think you just think that the picture is real endeavours in a surly her

I didn't study it and I don't want to go on record for having an opinion on whether or not those her ok, fair enough near One thing we do know, though, is that you know this. This picture like restated its alarming effect that bum, b I got involved as broke. Has a national television in Polaroid it was a pull re, one of those the one. You wave in the air to develop in just a few minutes. It was that kind of Polaroid. I'm Polaroid analyzed in said this. This film, that this has taken us films, was an available until May of nineteen, eighty nine, so that that couldn't that picture couldn't have been taken before me. Of nineteen, eighty nine! So that's the picture in its not necessarily connected to the Tower Kaliko CASE, although as far as the world is concerned, especially the world of online sleuths. It is in some way or another always going to be connected to the tar Kaliko case. From now on, you

there are some other pictures over the years that have come out that are also not connected yet somehow connected because of the internet. There was. There was one that was a couple of people. Joking around on the train looks like it young woman in a guy, a bit older in to me just the two people giving around on a train future. Another way, a sinister the other one. Is another young woman with tape over her mouth and there assimilating similarity to the striped pillow, Polaroid and it was found in California ETA construction site, but you can't you can't really identify much about her at all, and I think the only reason it's connected is because hey it's, picture of a young woman with tape on her mouth looks, vaguely Liker and that's that not like, if you're going to read it or web sleuths or any of these online forums. About this case there's at least several.

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I believe, the truck bunker bike, at which time she felt at the side of the road from there. The individual's took her I remember that the truck that he's referencing is that truck that was supposedly fall bring her when she was last seen at like one thousand one hundred and forty five, a dot m, that's right and that she was killed later on. I made because she threatened to call the cops or something and that their, be a couple of extra people involved in this case right. So he said by I'm not going to be arresting anybody, because we now have a yet no one ever body, so I'm just going to sit here and hold press conferences instead and John DOE tars step fathers came out publicly was like that was the dumb thing I've heard in a very long time like okay, if you, if you want like an air case in you need to find tars body to do that. Fine, but you dump. Besides everything else, you know because to join

on dole. That was, it seemed like a bit of a warning to the to the suspects that were out there at the very least to see, foolish to a waste of time, and the thing is that sheriff Rivera, who, I believe is still the Valencia can ensure hasn't made any arrest since that press conference, in admittedly tars bodies not been found, but that this does seem like a weird thing to do so that was kind of like one of the first things that that kind of reinvigorated case that it managed to be kept alive over there, the nineties, but really started to kind of come back in the two. Thousands in multiple white. Been shown on it, but even beyond, like you know, somebody

story on it or a follow up or an interview with her sister brothers, something that the police investigations into had kind of like peaks, hum their increased interests in the two. Thousands as well yeah so now a character enters name, Melinda Sql and she is a blogger and upon castor- and I guess one of these loose and had done a lot of work on this case Apparently at one point: was in about two thousand ten was that she was working on a documentary film about Torah and that information on the body and that she was followed and the threats were being made so Two thousand ten state police off sir. In Mexico, other Ortiz he was brought in for a meeting about this case, mainly but as of

what's going on with S Gabelle in her research in what she said: yeah she's, getting death threats right, yes, so that that actually kind of them reinvigorated this case, while it is almost did Ortiz certain. A kind of look into it a little more but was eventually talk like hey, that's the Valencia County serves case and just leave it to them so We're gonna reassign you, and that was that Lee the death threats, or I guess I was death threats that Melinda Sql said she was good, were enough to make her move to allay. And then later on, she came back and started investigating the case again with Michel Doll, tourist stepsister and they really Sir Podcast called vanished. The tear the tar Kaliko story about this investigation. That was, I believe, revealed some new some new facts into fully p.

A lot of stuff together. Yes, a back in two thousand ten when Ortiz I got information. He met with Sheriff Rivera and River For his part said, you know what there was a third Investigation dignified three possible suspects, one of them is dead now, and I ask got some information about where this body might be and basic there's who is captain Dung donkeys. That sounds fine and I guess worked alongside river is that when it was kind of hard to tell That was what I got as well. I mean it's a call for more tease and he's the kind of presuming everybody's reading. This quote understands who Captain Don guesses, maybe its share of rivers, imaginary friend, or something captain tie, does some like that it does. Indeed there be one joke in here

so dangerous advised advise him that there was a you know, a dig, basically this location where they thought about. It was in that they didn't find anything, but they did. They did dig for the body at this place right and then, like I said, Ortiz basically gets moved off of the case cuz he state police in this is Valencia, County's turf, so so that was that was kind of like a that was two thousand and ten, and that was some some new fresh blood investigation injected into the case and then in twenty thirteen interviewed a guy named Frank mythology, who is a former deputy with the Valencia County, Sheriffs Department Farm he's not any longer. He apparently was kind of drummed out of the sheriff's office, possibly for stuff that was unrelated to that I saw he was arrested, while he was still a sheriffs deputy because he had

to appear in court for causing a crash in a neighborhood during like a high speed Jake, how interesting yeah. So it's possible that something like that led to his dismissal. But regardless he came forward after he was no longer a deputy and said hey. While I was a deputy. I interviewed this guy named Henry Brown. Henry Brown was saying, dying and he needed to get something off his chest and he he gave an official statement in the statement from what I understand deftly exists and has been verified. This isn't just like hearsay, but that Henry Brown said I was friends with this guy in India

It was a Lawrence Romero, Junior lords, Romero Junior was not a here's a bit of a he's, not he's a good guy. Necessarily from what I understand by was the sheriff son Lawrence Romero Junior at the time that that all this happened that tar Kaliko went missing. He was the sheriff of Valencia County. And Henry Brown said I was friends with junior and one day I was hanging out a juniors house and the the subjective tar Kaliko came up and before I knew it, Lawrence Romero, Junior and another guy were admitting that they had killed. Her her body had been right there, where we were sitting not too long before which they had moved her body after they started searching for an

Then they took her and moved her to a pond later on and that's where she remains, but that he definitely killed her and the reason why nothing ever came of it because he was the sheriff sun and that apparently was given that that statement was given in written down and taken into into the record a by the Valencia County, Sheriffs department. Yeah, and apparently some of these guys were involved with dealing drugs, and that may had something to do with it there also a report in that statement that it was sort of a kind, beer in that that deputy Rivera had their backs was the direct quote: So you know, maybe because the sun was in deep trouble. The deputy got involved, then make sure that that sort of state buried. But again this is you know, I think, to call this hearsay is pretty pretty accurate, but it's also

a juicy deathbed story, which you know these are is play well when these gonna cases for sure I also now that there is another guy who who gave a third hand. Confessor second hand confession, like that said that Lawrence Remit Junior confessed to him as well, and lords remarried in your died in ninety ninety one from a self inflicted gunshot wound and is not clear whether he die by suicide other people, say that he was playing russian roulette. Very foolishly and it did not so well, but either way he died and ninety ninety one within a couple of years of tar, calicoes disappearance. So, at the time again, his father was sheriff of violence: county and this deputy Rivera, who supposedly had the the Ramirez backs, became sheriff later and is now still sheriff Valencia County from what we understood.

And and of woods. Weird, though, is a lot of that statement. Gibes with rivers, weirdo press Instead, he held in two thousand eight that that these these kids did. You know she is being followed in the trunk shoes bump or by a truck she was bombed by from behind. She was killed, the the the people's family, help them cover up the crime he just stop short of and who it was, and that was at this very eyes. If he was the one that was helping cover things up to have that press conference is, it is a very. Odd thing to do if you're in in a year the one thing we did mentioned earlier, this pretty important too. If, if you think back to that Polaroid, if your asking yourself like. Surely they analyze the sing for real? And it's not just up to internet people too to compare photos. There were a few different, organisations that I looked into. And may vary,

frustratingly. One said: yes, we think that Sir one said. No, that's not an one said. Well, we can't be sure so that leads to the frustration to literally have three groups looking into this Each of them have a different take on it can only Jia back to nowhere for sure enough is frustrating for us or further web sleuth, Sir whoever's listening think of what it's like for the family. You noted two here: do you do It is rather here everybody say yes, Sir everybody say no to have it. Tis inconclusive, like that contradictory sis, gotta, make it so much harder near for. Ultimately, when you put all the pieces on the table, which one makes more sense that she was killed locally in ITALY, covered up by some local families who had the ability to cover it up or that she was abducted in ended somehow in Polaroid, in Port Saint Joe Florida a year later, and I think that's what her sister was saying. Where were you

and if I look at his photograph, I know that it's Torah, but also realise that that explanation makes the least sense of all the explanations that around their merit oh that's. The case is still ongoing in two thousand nineteen, the FBI. Only out of nowhere released of twenty thousand dollar reward for information on the tar Kaliko case No one apparently has any idea what prompted them to do that or why they did it, but it's out there. So if you know anything about tar, calicoes disappearing and you want to make a call twenty grand get in touch with the FBI. And even do for the money. Do it for the humanity about that year and that's it you anything else. You get nothing Well! Then I guess that's it for the tar Kaliko case, hopefully for now- and I said that it's time for a listener, Mayo I call this mass math mass

I was hoping you dinner or ignore the seriousness and if you hadn't seen in at all well I don't even know I mean if this person right this could be one of those great ones within someone corrects the correction there would be but was on. Somebody guides us into one eight hundred podcast and responding to checks, anticipation for a correction of Josh's man, Josh you're competence. Certainly in your mouth, charming and inspiring appreciate when people say something with conviction. Now, sour part Joshua. We had the math right, but for centuries You stated that the last seven digits range from Nearly one million to nine million nine hundred, ninety nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine. This a true than you would be correct in your calculations, but according to I can find that does not seem to be the case. The FCC webs. Until three number spells out prefix, which are available, but it does not provide a risk. Did range available for the last seven digits. If you enter

zero, zero, zero, zero zero: zero, zero as seven digits to check If a number is available there is, information about that being an invalid option. Where's your follow. For example, I checked one eight. Three all zeros- and it said there that it was available, so then That brings us either and from all zeros to all mines which provides us ten million, nine million sorry, George, so when you multiply that by seven prefixes, you get seventy million Camboss seven nine million a sixty three million. Not fifty four million the only reason I'm sending this email not to draw attention to a will actually you did through a liar, but rather because. Drew attention to its a blame. Him Josh, I'll go with that. Then I blame you both sure I think that's most appropriate in this, no in Philadelphia.

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