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the production of Iheart Radio, free and work under the podcast on Josh Clark, there's Charles to each o Brien over There- and this is stuff you should know about vile races, jerks Boo me. You know that I am. I checked, yes, so Chuck. Do you remember when we did our two part episode on the Simpsons and when the first things I said was I didn't want to record because I want to do- is sit around a research, the simpsons for the rest of my life sure I fell basically the up That way about researching the clan like. I didn't want to record, because I didn't want to research Declan anymore yeah no, I don't have one one. Well,

here's my personal history here in regards to the core and is boy and enough well This'Ll be peppered throughout the little bit because I grew up in stone, Mountain Georgia. That sounds good which is very. You know some of the early days of the second wave of the clan, which you know will get all this garbage in this episode, but that was a kind of one of the large national seats and one of the leaders of the clan in Stone Mountain had kids, is he. The kids are grandkids that went his enemy, grandkids my elementary school? That I'm the the bulls- and I was like you know her bout, the vegetables and I know about their story in that his granddad was great wizard and like it, scared the crap out of me so I was scared and then I got older

was like these- are just dumb costs playing rednecks everything and then I got a little older still and I was like what not fair either and I tried to start in my life look at Through the lens of minority, peoples even though you can't you know, as of is a white man, but you can do your best to walk I want someone shoes and see what it might be like that can dismiss it as rednecks costs playing because they killed people in lynched people and It was a fear, a few the group to black people and you know all kinds of other minorities, as will see, as there is a kind of progressed, but. I felt it was dismissive- did say there, just a bunch of dumb rednecks hidden, don't give them that power. So you know interesting to sort of go to that evolution as a kid growing up in the south who know out in my

an agent ancestry, have horrible things that happened in the Deep South written to rectify as like in a just cause, I'm related to great great great great grandparents, but we did awful things. Does it mean that I'm that person? No, not at all, not at all you certainly aren't there person at all, I can attest, but she added- the terms with it as someone who is the opposite of those people for sure, I think it is wise, a view and in the very thoughtful of you to be like. I can't trust you no use, I guess white privilege to dismiss the clan because it does. Of infringe on, like the impact that they ve had on on people of color in the United States for sure think that very insightful at the same time. Yes plan are dumb redneck cosplay they're, just once you also get whipped up into into violence area, would carry out horrific acts. So there dumb redneck cause play. Do you really have to keep an eye on and then break the back? vizir organization. By putting,

prison whenever they do something like that or start too. yeah and, as we see through their history, depending on when it was and which sort of adoration Khazars there's been at least three some were more violent and dangerous than others in some were sort of like Gosplan rednecks yeah. Not do you know, of course it does an excuse. It is just like a fun social clause. Or anything like that. But right it is interesting, but I'm ready to be done with this as well. So let us do it reveals the thing that kind of strikes me about the clan. The most is they. The clan enjoys his popularity when America feeling its most racist, yet in usually America feels its most rate racist. At times win. The rights of minorities or anybody who's? Not basically white Protestants are being advanced, yeah society, that's not an accident and right,

but then the clan always always overstepped, because America may be racist in America might be. What can you say why a man it, is definitely based on white supremacist them or why supremacy in enforcing that thick, but the the the taste for violence and the willingness to like kill people of color just for being people of color, not a mainstream thing. Fortunately, so the clan always been on the fringe and always will be on the fringes, is just a hopefully Van Please society will learn its lesson like you know, advancing the rights of peoples, color, doesn't mean that there has to be some spasm of anti minority sentiment. Inevitably leads to violence carried out by groups like the clan. I really hope get to that point. I'm rather than just keeping existing trapped in the cycle. You know, and I think it will. I think we are approach

that eventually I don't know when it will be, but I feel like with each of these I propose that we go through. There is less and less people who react horribly the next time, where the next summer, the next time, so that eventually, that reaction will just kind of fizzle out. That's me yeah and its also interesting, I watched a documentary. No one really dug it sort of a good sir report new show from this British might have been a BBC crew that about the model. plan just from a couple years ago, during one the Ferguson, uproar Missouri and he went on not undercover cause. He was a british guy, his interview. I can't do it. He went in deep the clan there for seven months and its end, to see the the scattered ideology in that kind of is. The hallmark of the clan period through History is,

like there's never been a very codified thing of the issue we are because there's people in this documentary there are like- three. The members were arrested for plotting to kill a black man and the people there, Are you there like whoa whoa whoa there out man we're not into that? We don't want to. Met violence against black people and we're not even bigoted. We're just disappear here: race who of your white separatist, but we don't want it. You know might burn across for our ceremonies, but we're not doing bombing and lynchings and we're not down without at all, but you are I get the feeling that behind closed they're, probably like pay by which this guy's would have been able to keep that murder out rain, that that seems to have been a transition that kind of went in this.

seventy started in the seventies. I believe there's like a different public face to the client or they tried different, like well cable, that everybody hates the clan. What have we? What have we explain it like this right? What if we put it like this in a site like now nice try near second or work, or it should we get into this and origins. Yes, oh so, like you there have been three generations of the clan and this the first generation the clan started out as they think. Basically, a social club made up of firm disgruntled confederate veterans in Polanski, Tennessee and eighteen. Sixty six. and this group of veterans get together at a time where there a real trend, a crazed basically for secret societies in the nineteenth century, currently in the the eighteen, ninety is up to the nineteen thirty's is called the golden age of return.

Recently like a third of american men. Were members of a secret society or something based, unlike actual real ancient secret societies like the Knights Templar, the rose accretions, these regions, and a fake ones. They gave you a reasoned alike, leave the house on too is on Thursdays and go like you now have whiskey. At the the moose large Argillite feeling here and groups like the Moose Alex in the Knights of Columbus, grew out of that and in fact, woodman of the world insurance is called. There is kind of a weird name, if you think but woodman of the world was a secret society from anti century and they would sell their members insurance policies and that's where that insurance came from. So this kind of, like the context of where the who Klux cleaner, originally came from in the nineteenth century. This crazy trend for a secret society this year and by all accounts it was started on Christmas Eve, like you, said in Polanski, in eighteen, sixty five by

six men Calvin Jones, Richard Red Fruit, Mccord, John Kennedy and John Kessler, I think Believe it or not, the violent s name was Jim Crow, no James Crow. Yeah in Polanski, Tennessee and dumb they they were sort of based on this. One of the secret groups called the sons of Malta. It seems like it was more inspired by the they weren't around by the time the civil war ended. But the definitely sort of some kind of some stuff from this from the mountains as far as and this is the whole thing, with a secret societies like outfits, stones and rights, initiations and dumb names of leadership that you make up. It's all a big part of it I have never understood the desire move in and not just

beside the clan clearly instead in that. But any fraternal group like that. I just your including fraternities and colleges, and ever got it yeah that sons of Malta you mentioned, seem to have been directly impact for I dont there are members who were who were from this Walter, how they heard of it, but the sun. and then another group called the coup close a dolphin in both seem to have been party cruiser crews from Marty, grow. in New Orleans and an assault, the sons of Malta's how made their way up to Boston and that's where they really kind of getting king got hold, were gap

pillar- I guess, but neither one of those were were racist groups from what I can tell in from also what I could tell the coup clicks claim was it necessarily intend to be a racist terrorist political organization, at least at first, but shortly after they formed in eighteen? Sixty five sixty six, the federal government passed The reconstruction acts and reconstruction definitely deserves its own episode, really want to do one or two on reconstruction at some point, but when they they pass that act that that kind of change. Your gave focus to this. What may have been laid kind of a group of racist people, in turn them into a racist political terrorism. Innovation. Now they had something to do besides meet at the.

A moose lodge an hour's to enforce white supremacy in the deep south through act. violence and intimidation and terror techniques, and that was the first thing nation of the claim they spread really quick from Tennessee down to Georgia and other neighbouring states thanks in part to personal visits organizing by a guy named Nathan, Bedford Forest. So a confederate general who is not yeah he was there a lot of complications without guys what we'll get him in a sack, but the name KKK Herb, cooks, clan, they think, right of and there's no again it's been such a sort of Willy nilly organization. As far as having a national sort of codified presents There is not even like a website that I saw they even go to. Its original mandate deserves some terrible websites, they're pretty bad. comic sans everywhere. There they're pretty bad when this like a bull.

Background in like pink rights and stuff, like that spewing rate, bigotry and ideology is pretty bad. I want like throw my laptop at the window and points, but they think it might have derived from the greek word key close K. Why o o s, which were basically denotes what people thought were like the natural cycles of governor or types of government Then a civilization could have wished pretty haughty. If you think about it for the care k K, I mean course political philosophy that dates back to the third century I see that the Greeks shrilly somethin close, is what it K Uk Ella. Worse, is what what sort of translated as in and modern Emmeline, not the modern era, but back then the clan with a k like hours. It was originally club one word and then clan

the Sea and they think that may have come for maybe scottish clans. They play scottish music, sometimes at their rallies. But that's not the firmed either the adventure early. I think that sea was replaced with a K. It became king, k, K and these lodges started Poppy up. Oliver read after the civil war, because colicky said once a minority. It gets a little bit of a freedom There is a bit of an uprising in clan membership and that's what happened from the The duration is like there. We have these enslaved people that are now free. We need to basically intimidate them into feeling like They still have no freedoms, even though the losses different right, so one of them things they did was in a win win section came along and all of a sudden there were, you know, like people in the south could hold political office or be judges are all is like. This is like flipping switch as far as the south is concerned.

and is it like a laser, focused like the aims of the coup Klux clan. In that they now took up. intimidation and terrorism campaign against black people in south against Republicans in the south, the reply begins at the time, are a much different party than they are today in that they were into the idea of big government to support and enforce social justice and then years later around the turn of the last century Williams turning Bryant was a candidate who was a Democrat, who basically ran on the republican platform of big government whom, for social justice and then later on, it was submitted by fifty yards, a big kind of transition or switch basically of ideologies between the parties, but at that time. If you are republican, you are probably, if you're in the south, you're, probably for equal rights for black citizens

and you were a target of their intimidation campaigns as well big time, because not only where they can battling as politicians, but Voter intimidation was a very real thing and voter suppression, and they would they would murder. People, like hundreds may thousands of people in the south specially Louisiana reports ahead of the eighteenth The eight election were that murder people for intimidation and literally to keep them from voting. Yet do there one town called Opel loses easy. Anna town of twenty five thousand, those pretty big, is the courtesy of the parish camera pairs. But in two weeks two hundred people were murdered around the eighteen, sixty eight election, two hundred that fourteen people a day in this town of twenty five thousand people, well because of terrorism carried out by the k, K, K, yeah, Ed hopeless, but this together and at his keen to point out- and I think we should do- is that-

lot of what the clan zone, ready do, as is lead their groups by fear any you'll, see that today, not only through the clan, but other groups, like fear of you, know that the immigrants take your job or fear this fear of that. Then it was fear of these enslaved people. We are now free, rising you know in in getting revenge, and that didn't happen like even though slavery happened like once black begins earn their freedom. They did not all of a sudden, say: oh yeah, well pay back time more angry, we're gonna come after you, they were here to be freed enters to try and live as regular people with rights and society and that was in the message that the clan was putting out there, where you need to be afraid of them, even though there are no accounts of that happening. It was this by people trying to be regular, normal people right and the left

Other problem with that kind of thing is is like when somebody does stuff like this. When they carry out a terror campaign, it makes people wonder Jesus. What did the other people do to deserve this? people in do anything that deserve this in. That's that's what I call the false balance or balance fallacy where there, the idea that there's you know, there's problems on both side through those good people on both sides. It's like no sometime, One side is the problem of basic hundred per cent of the problem, and I think those important of at two point, I'm for us to point out to you that there was nothing that the they clan was defending against, except white supremacy and blacks, black suppression, the suppression of rights among black people, was it is despicable as it sounds. There is nothing gallant or good about it. There is nothing

about bull about it and in fact they were so violent in so criminal in so to speak, all their within three years of their founding the grand wizard of the k, K, K, Nathan bed for forests, who we mentioned earlier biggest his one and only basically executive orders, grinned wizard thing we have to this band in burn all of our stuff, because this God now to hand, that's how violent they had become and how despicable or accident yeah forest comes namesake here He was like, I said he was a pretty controversial, remains a contract dude In it he was one of the generals of the confederacy and he was in charge what pillow masker happen, which will hear something it into in detail, maybe an assured stuff. Maybe, but am will you know hundreds of largely black soldiers who had given up and surrendered we're just massacred on this day,

four pillow and He was known as the brilliant general, the wizard of the saddle, which is what he was called because he's a cavalry guy and that later became the other kind of gangsters for the clan as far as the grand lizard they can install that from their gagged but he. He seemed to be a vile man, but then later in life, like he said, became disillusioned with the clan something well said it was just because he didn't think they're organise enough so people said it was because he thought they got to violent, but in May late in life. He gave this big speech about. You know basically, try hold up the black man and give them jobs and put them positions of important positions in our government and them. Doctors and lawyer, so I don't know the change of heart. has been a lot of controversy since since then about like Should we honour this guy? More me now or talk about like his entire,

life up until that moment. No, I think it's it's like he does. Nerves to have like is like it all spread out, on the table, but I feel like going to oversee like a massacre of of unarmed black soldiers, on oversee, like it in a white supremacist terrorist group. That's pretty tough to come back from No I mean it is definitely worth noting. I think, fair to note that he did have at least something change a hard at least publicly. I saw that here too, were I think, the governor of Tennessee or somewhere and offered to help destroy Why vigilantes, who were harassing black citizens? Because he thought it was on called or so yeah he was it an unusual, person over the span of his life, but he still did some pretty horrible stuff, of course, in this universe, pops up any time there's a dead

over whether they should strip the name from this or that in plenty of plenty stuff name for him. There is a high risk. And Jacksonville Florida that was named Nathan, F, nickname and be forest highschool until two dozen fourteen year, two thousand fourteen. There is a school named after the basically the founder of the coup clerks clan injects himself. They should just name all the high schools in Florida, Tom Parry High school is even Florida, eggs from gains or another big time. My music seen down there back, then ok. What happened to the Sixteen yeah, maybe there still is one who all came out against over dont Felder, the guitar play for the Eagles was Tom, pennies guitar teacher, and then, like Leonard Skinner, hung out and Jacksonville and think that

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all right, the info the next year. This is basically when the federal government stepped up, starting teen seventy and said you know a week, count on these states, especially in the south. In should point out in it and makes a good point of pointing out that like. There was racism all over the country always has been there been claimed groups all over the country, but in this it was in the government. It was in the courts, it was in the school systems like it was, Nowhere else in the country so that the federal government that we can count on the southern states to do there, thing. Have real investigations and prosecute people and to protect black citizen. so we're gonna passing enforcement acts. It basically says We can go in there and we can kind of take your business on our own. If we have to take care of business, they did

General Grant Ulysses Grant. Who was then President grant ahead and turning general name. Amos Ackerman disguise awesome is also one of the heroes story, he does not even have the Wikipedia page, he doesn't know. That's pretty, aim, Wikipedia it's bad he's a Georgie boy too Yeah yeah. He is so. This guy ended up the attorney general under Green and he basically used everything in his discourse from forming like basically the the product of the F b I too, to getting federal troops in getting martial law, declared down South Carolina to oversee the presidential election down there, like all sorts of different stuff everything he had He would throw at the clan and ultimately kind of broke the back that first clan that combine

and with Bedford Forest, I dont know why you have to say both of those needs be just kind of do. The combined with his executive origin and like the clan with First Clam, went away very, very quickly. Actually yeah and it's hard to tell how big it was at its first peak. Some we'll say maybe a half million people but, like you said, faint faded out pretty quickly and you know we'll talk when the clan fades out, you know it doesn't go anywhere as far as these people go don't like everyone. All of a sudden was awesome and not racist. This means that the formal clan just lacks membership. Basically, I don't know, I think I think win win suddenly, the fact that the federal government and, like you know You're senator or you presented- is why are you here

president talking smack about this group that you know you used to think was cool, but all of a sudden you realise that the rest of the country thinks you're a backward dummy for looking up these clan members it can kind of it can kind of make people who self reflect little bit, you know, so I wonder how many people do chain their minds or have historically over over the course of this necessarily like I'm wanna wrists anymore, but I think that that's that's impossible letty that somebody can reflect like that or at the very least, the next time, they're not going to participate her agitation. Join in you that are know none. I saw did you see that mean the dude in? I think Indiana Illinois can I remember he is, I believe, in a wheelchair, and he said, like lives matter rally he's holding a sign. that says, I'm sorry, I'm late, I had a lot to learn and he apparently was I dont know if used Society is certainly not in favour of black lives matter, and I guess-

reading about it and looking into it in doing is research and had a complete change of heart. Ensure, after one of their rallies in support of them, which is pretty coexisting that I have not seen it so it is, I mean it can happen. people sentiments about this kind of stuff, can change and I feel like when people are like. Oh, oh, I am in favour of of keeping other human beings down for, really no reason whatsoever except they don't look like me. I feel like that. That's like her there's a lot of room for improvement. That can happen in that, in that sense, tuna, yeah I am I'm sure. Individuals have changed like that, but which it was on mass. There were other violent racist groups when the clan does not as popular during that period. They just have they didn't have that sort of unified look? Well, what is home? Yes,

that look. If you're, if you're ready to you want you yeah, I mean will you can thank data, be Griffith and Thomas Dixon Junior for that yak is prior to this. The thick in farm, did really look like what you would think they they wore masks in hoods in you know, disguises and they tried to disguise their voice. Apparently, sometimes they would pretend that they were the ghosts of confederate soldiers coming to terrorize black families. The following: absolutely no one, but they they didn't. Wear necessarily What you would think of is like the clan today in, like you, said that strictly came from D, W Griffith Anna Guess, Dixon Thomas Dixon, to a lesser extent, but Griffith, like really put it therefore, everybody to see with the birth of a nation The nation was a movie based on a plate space on a book from Thomas Dixon Junior, he published the clansmen with the sea Cohen

a historical romance, romances, cuckolds clan and where they were depicted as heroic, heroic sort of noble christian warriors and that came a play. The head was a little bit more popular and indeed Griffith Base the movie on that play, and it was You know this is where you saw crosses burning, and this is where he saw those white pointed hoods and says, with robes on them as poor, poor horses. They have no idea whether it makes you feel better rang the horses individuality which they wouldn't. You know what we know is sort of. The look of the clan was fully put forth by D W On screen, I was gonna curious because I know he was a huge name in Hollywood Nepeian near in Hollywood and was a founding partner of United Artist with Chaplain and Mary Pickford Netteke Douglas Fairbanks. Maybe

but I was curious about both those guys like where they super racist or was the. just a movie to them and Dixon. Supposedly really racist, although he said thirdly denounced bigotry in the wake this sort of nuclear those created. I had a harder time finding out what D W Griffith all about you never apologized for anything any seems to have sort of escaped scrutiny. In some ways so in his lifetime. I think so but I'm not really sure didn't have time to really do a deep dive into other I you believe the stuff or he was like- I'm gonna, make us this movie, that's gonna, be super country show and get banned and get me a lot of attention, but that the enormous his heart was in it or not the impact that his movie had no yeah astounding. It was like imagine if, when STAR wars came out all sudden like a Jedi school.

popped up in real life in like they would form together and go out, and if we didn't run for office is like Jeddah, is basically sweet. We need a third party right, yet the General Party, Imagine if those general unrelated virulent races to were dedicated to suppressing, but the rights of minorities. What do you think about that? That's much less good! It's much less good and uh. Yeah he's gonna happen scoria, but based on this, be. It was a popular movie. They kicked off, which was considered the second wave or second incarnation of the coop looks clean. gave us all of that this symbolism, the grandiose, look and feel in just kind of like gave it this almost legend that really didn't exist, because the first plane was now like that they were a bunch of hooded, murderous. eggs who would ride around on horseback at night and set people's houses on fire. They didn't look anything like that.

Oh yeah, you can let you know the resurgence in interest of the clan. Almost square we at the feet of deja vu. Griffith and then only be as it was in his popular to a lesser extent, Tom Dixons Feet, not Tom Dixon, the gray great lighting designer Tom Dixon, they racist author, yes Thomas Dixon, Junior great and, in fact, the birth of a nation with a part of it was found. In the neighborhood. I lived in a way endless feel us right there, where member, where we shot the driving around for the toil of commercial here. Can you just say my favorite, I regret to say that is no you're driving around yes, you did

look at the right and he started to pull through crosswalk in this lady, with her husband in the three kids. It's her legs, I think smack the hood of the previous there. We were filming in a man like yelled at you, and you like your back at her and shook your fears like you, you got a job, a match. You did, you did in every way accept physically shaken your office. but you gotta make a shouting measures: some pedestrian malware, filming, a toilet commerce. There is quite a cutting edge. It was very briefly. She way, overreacted, totally I'm not saying you are in the wrong, but it was just tell you remind me of everything I hated about living in a way. I think at one moment would like how bad this lady every video His father knows a great great memory here, but the birth of a nation was filmed like right down the street from their part of it. what my favorite movie, theater, no eight a vista, was right right on this corner and also the movie theater that doubled as Detroit to romance for the Karate Kung FU buddy.

at the beginning, but yet like right out there, front it. That's a big like convergence of five streets and a like some of the huge like marching scenes from birth. Venetian were from their boy there anyway. This second birth, the clan. A lot of it can be credited also to that of William J Simmons, who was in from the movie and nineteen fifteen went to the top of stone Mountain here in Georgia and burned to cross inspired by a movie here, Well, I'm going to get across in the hate in the previous clan. Make sure you know was, still there James Venerable, who I mentioned earlier, who went to school with his grandkids? He was a kid on top of the mountain with William Simmonds at the time and he was up there and I think, with his uncle and this was kind of looked at a sort of one of them. First meetings of the newly reborn Cooper

clan in the nineteen fifteen to twenties yeah. So, in addition to having like a much more unified, look and I guess design Athos sure, I'm the this version of claims. Second version that clean seemed more organised. At least they organised enough to actually become a political force. Not just in support of you know, say the Democrats have the time or in support of just whatever local judge was known to be erased, in in you know they they would. They would support him in intimidate voters against him. They would actually put forth Canada who were members of the clan and publicly members of the clan, and probably most Obviously, Robert Bird, a senator from West Virginia was a the clan member and like never back away from the planet? At any point, there are other southerners.

Like from Georgia, hers senators. I mean who were also southern from Georgia, who were from the clan some representatives, lots and lots of local officials Elliot Clan would actually they became something of a political force as well. yeah I mean the local thing is really was a big deal because it could be- and you know what takes we all get worked up over national politics is where we should, but if you really want to, the difference in your life data day. Local politics is where tat and you know Johnny commissions and school boards and boards of direct like that in the local level is really The clan could get in there on a moral okey basis, do a lot of damage so there you know they had official uniforms now they had official ranks entitles they still sort of like hey, were disturbed fraternal order and that's kind of all we are, but that

same time. They expanded. There ethos, and it wasn't just black people anymore. it was there, anti Semites. They were Anti Catholic. They were communists. They were against thing that wasn't wide in all of this was sort of under the banner of hey what we really are because you know they would also like trying pedophiles and stuff like that. What they said they really were patriots. heroes and good Americans, which sounds very familiar these days. It really does this this this version, the clan very much reflects the kind of white supremacist bs that you see the day in America, where it's it's very much spread across different groups that that are a kind of held together this thread that you know why people are losing ground and they need to make it back up through whatever

whatever we need to do that. That really seems to reflect a bit also the fact that there are crazy, not jobs in Congress today who hold white supremacist values, yet basically publicly really bears a striking resemblance to the second resurgence of the clan yeah, who maybe we should point out again it like white Christian White, protestant Christian that's important seem to be the only thing that was that was ok like anything else like Anti Catholic, the Jew, anti everything except white, protestant Christian, and so like the that this is the largest popularity of the widest popularity of the clan, the southern poverty law, sooner estimates that they may have had around the mid nineteen twenties, as many four million members here spread across the. U s- and it wasn't in the south. I mean there were plenty in industrial cities in the north. There are plenty on the West Coast

plenty in the MID West Indiana was known as the straw. Although the clan and I read as many as half a million half a million members which would have been a third of the population, of white men in Indiana at the time, while in the nineteen twenties. So what are you? Let's go like, why was everybody in the clan just in the same way that the wreak reconstruction gave. I guess, purpose to the clan massive waves of immigration, that it started in the late nineteenth century to the United States. Was making America generally racist and they were easily whipped up by things like you're gonna lose jobbed all these immigrants yeah like It was very much based on local grievance grievances, like whatever the local fear, was in a lot of times. You write that was immigrants coming into the town and taking jobs or

men marrying white women or whatever they felt the local thing was that would be most effective. It recruiting kind of was kind of holding on them speak of it all was very, I think, in time, According to a lot of these people still is in that documentary. It's amazing to see these people two years ago. Talking about the kid leaders of an important thing for them like getting dressed up meeting together in the woods and burning across riding around at night on your nitrites or midnight rides in your car. Putting up flyers under the under the cloak of darkness. There it's like cosplay. It really is there they're playing like they're in some important club. It's seeing that the will of the women in this documentary all of said, We know this isn't the kind of thing I probably would have been into, but

it really improved. My marriage when I got on board and enjoined, and now my husband and I have something talk about- we have commonalities in here this in your just like crawling out, skin it seems Marriage, which is clearly just as you know, a male dominant Mary, and you know, if he ever, if you'll join my clan, if you like, my football team will finally have something in common, and I love about sought order, throw open the box paid so yes, I mean it makes sense like if you dont have much of an identity or you are looking for something to give your life purpose like a group or a club, especially one. That's you know in some looked up to it by some people like can be we give your life or ill shot in the arm. You know I got a good ways and in those there somebody great clubs right where p that for you I got a brother minister,

but I mean it is interesting that so much of it in this document really seems to come from that missed, in that wanting to belong to a group and I'm just up this one guy he was liking, I'm just the landscaper analysis, Party in and now have focused now some to do. Look at his brothers. So One of the one of the things you mentioned was the mid. rides and going out at midnight one of one of the reasons they do. That is because the plan is always thrived on anonymity like they they don't. I mean that's does not to say that they dont show them facing public. Some of them do, but plenty of em don't and that their strength than that and one of the reasons that they would ride at night was because it afforded that much more anonymity, even if their they warrant particular the anonymous in there

their neighbor who they were terrorizing, probably recognise their voice, but and the fact that they their face wasn't show There was plausible deniability to that will be no the anonymous, though, in this I commend area anonymous out this one group in Missouri yeah they- shut down and they put their other information on the head. Well, initial, Little bit of the video with the guy in the Guy Fox mask the the you guys voice or whatever right saying that you know we're coming after you, we're gonna, put your names online and was is fairly interesting. Don't do in God's work there. Actually it for real and that's actually like a traditional anti clan tactic. That groups, like the end, doubly c p or the Anti defamation League used back during this time. When the clan was at its peak popularity in the ninety twenties, they would bribe people to get their hands on a membership list. They would send in people the info trade to get their hands on a membership was then they would publish it in

all of a sudden there, anonymity in the strength is afforded by the anonymity, is gone. Ages broke up with a clean chapter in your local area, because Nobody wants to be associated with any more and they probably have to make some sort of public statement about how they left. You know where they, the it's all just a, misunderstanding, they were never part of it right or you're in fear of losing your job, maybe, but that really helped break up this. This version of the clan in the nineteen twenties. and then the federal, again, if you look at these these successive waves of the cooks, clan, your government is the one who steps into break the back of the plant and they did it again, basically using the same playbook from the enforcement act The Irish in the nineteen forties Reba, somehow the and gotten a tax exempt status, and I removed it and then suit him for back taxes, equal tube ten million dollars in today's dollars and the clan broke up real quick

that so in Managua Book, that's the eggs and exactly do so that the federal government is used. A bunch of tactics are basically, rid of the clan again and then the clan went away, and that was that for a while, all right, should we take another break here? Yes, I will sucks, may work where this can be a long up. Giving the clan along episode will take a breakin may builds, come back and sing a protest, some and covered it. Didn t I will be right back sure you, everybody, Microsoft teams is helping priority bicycles reinvent the way they work Great Chuck, that's right when pandemic it. The bike shop had to close their New York City, show room, but they found a way to reopen by doing virtual visits on teams yeah and now

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hammer out the clan the client Abou outer space. You get is therefore my whole online best know who, which nor is there on your brothers oh no. I was thinking of the one on the Christopher guest movie. Now it was. The count brothers, the folk music movie. That is They merit now arising yea Madame driver has really funny part where their record again here in he's doing background. Speaking like that right, and Timber lake singing environment, our Jason. He goes outer space. What's the word where Harry Sheer ends up joining like a full group at the end. Oh yeah, that was mighty wind mighty went yet Years ago, another good money get us all right:

Firstly, we have the wine this up and talk about the third wave of the clan, which was the civil rights era you I think that the civil rights era clan would be the big adoration, but actually wasn't. They were one of the more dangerous areas because they were very famous for carrying out bombings. Oliver, the south, mainly including a very sadly the bombing in Birmingham thinkers thirty eight bombings over, like a seven year period, but the bombing in Birmingham where they bombed the church and Addy May Collins, Cynthia Wesley Carol, Robertson Carol, Denise Mcnair for young black girls who were killed. and if you don't know, the story just go- watch the slightly documentary for little girls, because it really does a great job of Conover retelling. But an awful thing that was yeah. No definitely was the most fame,

in most despicable, but they bombed a lot of other people murdered a lot of other people. There's a couple that live not too far from where my place in Florida is named Harry Harry more, whose house was bombed by the clan on Christmas Eve, they chose Christmassy because they knew that there. I think there older children would come home there. kills many of them as possible, so this there there a real reign of terror that the they claimed was care out during the civil rights era in Birmingham. apparently was called Birmingham for awhile, because it was just so prone to being bombed like where the church was bombed, but also because it was where the clan was the strongest and most politically backed up which to the civil rights. leaders credit they said. Well, then we're going to Birmingham. That's where we're gonna set up shop, which made, where is what brought Birmingham to basically the forefront of the civil rights?

war yeah. You know there are some other high profile events. The assassinate assassination met your everts, obviously the Mississippi burning case, we saw that movie did a really good job of the case of those three civil rights workers. Nineteen sixty four who were killed Amino there were still lynchings going on in and there were still people seats of power attorneys in the luxuries and it was. It was a very, very mixed up in this country? Because we're being achieved while bloodshed was going on you mentioned before. It's like they're trying to hold on to this thing. That is not America is anymore, no hurts like Ts America's a multicultural society in its better off for Lakelets Seesaw get on the trolley Shelly

so the FBI, it's worth mentioning, played a dual role. Apparently, J Edgar Hoover knew all the way back in nineteen sixty five, who carried out the sixteenth Street Baptist Church bombing, but just sat on because he wasn't like a really big fan of civil right, yeah or the civil rights movement. But at the same time, the F b I actually did have soon Integra role in breaking up local clan groups by using, like Cohen I'll, throw them, program where they would basically infiltrate and start getting p. the question the leaders or start accusing each other disloyalty and to turn a group on each other like what they did, the black panthers. They did to the K K K to it far less frequently, but they did have an impact on helping to to break up the, k, K in the civil rights areas. Well, yeah and the civil rights era kind of to today, Clan has really lost a lot of its membership.

it has been, and that again is not to say that any the racism went away. It's been fracture sometimes in the more dangerous groups, further outright wipes white supremacy groups in NEO Nazis. There have been people in power. David, Duke, you know we have to mention him. He was actual house member from a state of Louisiana, but he was, in national grand wizard of the clan. and I think they started to kind of. Push away a little bit from the symbolic GI, of you know these can have crazy symbols in the hoods in the car. spurning semi. Let's have still went on local and state level. I think, a nationally they can of camp that down little bit and was like, I think, would be better if we could just hold office right solely certain. That's basically there

there's a direct threat to today. This idea, where they're, just trying to soft cell race, them and suppression of minority rights in egypt- packaging in other ways, but it's all the exact same thing in it. It doesn't matter how you dress it up. You're, trying to deny the rights of other human being so ate it say what everyone to Hell with your ideology Una near you're, totally it's there there's never gonna get handle on the numbers, because been a super organise national thing, but they think it is down to like less than thirty thousand now, and when they do specials and cannot go to these groups. The meeting you know in these towns are number in the single digits. Sometimes it's not you. It's not like hundreds of guys getting together. And of course there are women in there now keep saying guys, but it's it's largely always been men cuz, they call them clansmen, but these wives.

are getting involved as well, so they can have something in common with their husbands. Can the good, is this: the numbers are small enough that basically local immunities are strong enough to come out and chase clear rallies, break them up, as was the key some Madison Indiana Labour Day in two thousand nineteen, they clan said that they were going to have a cook out an apparently Ten of them showed up and the entire Madison Indiana Community, or not the entire, but a significant portion of showed up and basically chased the clean out of the public park. Awesome, hum and broke up the rally intended twenty minutes from what I read, that states usually par for the course- claims relegated to basically spewing hate. Online or, like you said, leading flyers on people's car so poverty law centres is that they have been tracking. Reclining. They think they may apply toad, which is not good because you like to just keep it seeing them decline, but they bottomed out. In other words, the problem is

There is no lack of other races groups hum fitter that are equally problematic, if not more so the others. One part in this new special were this kid that these two guys dressed in the robes and put up a flat in their front yard or whenever a confederate buying them one other. I guess clan flag in teenager and Saint Louis, comes across the street ever suburb. Therein an interest Hey man. Why power, as one of us want to see you Charles about you know, I'm really interested in joining up and and he's got to talk to him for a minute, and it's just like it's so troubling deceived. This dumb kid you know, reaching out in all the wrong ways, because he's been taught something right. You know and when you see did this family he's in these people's homes and there's five six, your kids, sitting around in I've got a cigarette has taken a shot of bourbon and sugar. Mountain do in her hand and spewing hate.

These children are sitting there and you just you want to run in there and steal these kids. First, to say that it is still there, but I just did it awful pretty awful anytime you talking about eight, it's awful in it should be issued. Your stomach is it hard earned. Everybody's is learned stuff, almost totally So the toads this future we already given on hey before it, and we should do a reduction and honour. I get one quick things about the hours that was going to fund at the on a lighter note at baseball games. I'm not sure the history look it up, but a strike out when you're keeping It is known as a k vans Hebron K signs, they hang up with the picture is known. Falada strike out here, one for each troika, freed strike out. May hang it up in the in the stands and further seeds And they have always hung that third key upside down

per tradition, so it never says KKK, which I think is great yeah. It is great weight to go baseball fence, sticking to a way to go baseball well you anything else. Now nothing else do. I know more about the cake. Ok go visit this Poverty Lawson or they have some really good research on it, including we're just like this? It is pathetic. kind of reassuring. In some ways. I have your bothered This maybe that'll help, and since I said that it is time for a listener rail, we see here are gonna call this Azra the podcast her hey guys, minimums Ezra from fourteen years old. I've started yes, oh my own, and it is inspired by your show. I'm doing a school profit For my part, yes- and I would love it- he could respond with a couple years. for beginners, my podcast is called. High school is a joke Listen you every day, and it would mean a lot if you responded, and even Mitch mean I also thank you for? I was making love to be more

general. At the dinner table you as a really cool but you know the EU inspired me to start my own show sincerely Ezra. That's also measure. Congratulations, Jenny advice. Well I'll give you the advice I found is the best of all time, and that is just talk about stuff that you find interesting, because even if people are listening you're still gonna enjoy doing it and that'll make you keep it up in a few. Keep it up them. Other people search noticing come around next thing. You know you have an audience scrape advice, stay away from the clan because he with a better advice, jug everybody, whether your podcast or no steer clear of the clan. You don't even talk to both you and again such as this. as we did you, kids, listen, email sent it off to stuff podcast it. I heart, radio, dot, com, Stuckey should know, is production of Iheart radio for more podcast, my heart radio? Is it that I heard radio apple podcast or wherever

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