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He did a low and work under the podcast, I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles Spear to seventy six bright and Jerry Bicentennial baby rolling. I'm Josh like I said Jerry wishes. She was a bicentennial baby. Yes, it as both the man. I'd be five years younger. Yet exactly where I am squarely in the bicentennial baby year on the tried I demand people refer to me as such when I'm out in public doktor bicentennial baby color. Esquire. So how are you feeling pretty good good man? We should probably say thank you to all the people who came out far West Coast Jaunt. Yes, a good idea chuck last week, so big thanks to Seattle, Portland and I'm Francisco furrier for stuff he should know, shows and then every one who came out for me.

Crashing into the world live. Yes, thank you to everybody for all James. We had like really good crowds in your responses everywhere. We went then go. I was drunk in one country, really well, I was tense and on stage and CAFE Du Nord actually went well when I went out so it's like. I includes again a presentation right, a visual audiovisual thing and I could not get it to start working for a good fifteen seconds MIKE which in my mind, was your good fifteen minutes and I was like Well, everyone to see someone die of fright on stage with that old man, but it I got it working and it went well from there. But the thing that got me the most was the sat around four hundred and thirty more minutes after the show asking question

so they were really into it, and it meant a lot to me this great them. Thank you in a way I haven't been to Brooklyn yet, but this will come out after the Brooklyn Show and I'm just going to know actually will come out probably the day of the Brooklyn so I'll hold. My thanks for then we'll see how it goes. Brooklyn How did you go with busy Philips? It was good, it was fun. She super nice and only made a couple of really terrible jokes, I will cut those out. Are you leave a member that bad out the other were pretty been. Ok like dad jokes, her like Super offensive joke no one which evidently Emily said. I said the wrong word, which explains why it made no sense. Kid Stephen S, minister issues like what was up other one joke, unlike what a night, older she's, like none and others, not what you said. I was like. Oh and I won't say here better: it explained the light. Are you going to tell me later? Ok, yeah operator, you get caught,

What about the other one? Was it a dead joke just dumb gotta keep image up. I know it's me sure, but otherwise it'll be. Although I don't, I get the fuck, today? Unlike the last twenty minutes, than aren't there. So I emailed them in there. I who please tell me this is not all so. It may be a truncated version- and I will see the lost episode- is what they know. I'm ok, we'll get good. Congratulations! I'm glad, aside from the fire snuff willingness to bad jokes. Otherwise it was great and we're gonna go back out on the road. Sometimes we decide this year a year where figured it out, hopefully another like Ninus Show's over the course of this year, cheer places we ve. Never, in places we have been. Who knows? You're gonna mix it up here. Yes, a keeping Europe for that, we ve learned now words straight up going to put them in the beginnings of episodes no messing around.

More no messing around okay, so That, of course, goes quite nicely into the story of Betsy Ross in the american flags origin fraud. I don't know that certainly true. I dont think that the official historical stance, but I think a better way to say Chuck, is questioned and a just a great story for his So who cares? If it's true yet lay off now puts Gandhi virtually no no person whose, like we, you know, said rod? I guess it so it's well, I mean, let's get into this, because the first thing that you will we say if you re a Betsy Ross believer. She was a real person by the way. Yeah. I think the first thing, a lot of our listeners around the world will say was is who is Betsy ROS sure, while she is credited which is where I was going with the the

sort of creation, design and selling of the first flag thanks to a lot of things, but I certainly held up by a very famous painting called the birth of our nations flag by Charles Weisberger. Very famous me yeah, but One of those paintings is like super old timer. Where there's a lot of written explanation painted into the painting, I just find that's just there's nothing more old time than that? You agree that. Well sure I wasn't expecting this, but he says something along the lines of just one. In a word, he lied I've anything prepared. He said this is the national standard was made by Betsy Ross in one thousand seven hundred and seventy six at two hundred and thirty nine Arch street Philadelphia in the room represented in this picture? That's a lot of words, but it goes on still

the committee, Robert Morrison, honourable George, ROS, accompanied by General George Washington, called upon the celebrated woman and, together with her suggestions, produced, are beautiful, emblem of liberty, So what are you guys doing this weekend? I was thinking me about maybe going roller skating, I know, hasn't been invented yet cuz. It's only one thousand eight hundred and seventy something one thousand eight hundred and ninety three and one thousand eight hundred and ninety three. But this new country pretty need ha. Grenades is gonna trails off from earth ends. There it's a really wordy painting. Frankly it very wordy, but that that help sort of cement. The idea that Betsy Ross, I was, in fact the does minor and creator in seamstress. I guess for the first flag or I'm gonna, take it on behalf of some of our more historically stute listeners and say she, I don't think she's credited with designing the flag. I think

the one thing that everybody agrees on is that she isn't is not given credit for designing she's she's, given credit for Cree like physically creating the first like and then help being with some trouble shooting in the early design. Oh, you should or to an elementary school why are they teach and otherwise sure it's all right? Air Zob created one hundred percent by Betsy Ross Fraud, what will which support such use? Anything that is neither one ok, but we should talk about the real Betsy Ross because she was a real lady she's, not an apparition visage She was born in one thousand seven hundred and fifty two on New year's day she's a new year's day, baby supposedly That's a documented here. Probably Elizabeth Griskin was her name. You Samuel and Rebecca in in Slovenia in her great gray.

Pappy Andrew Griskin was a very notable. Adelphi in he was wanted first settlers in aid, carpenter in Like Bill apparently a lot of Philadelphia First Buildings yeah, which is I mean, that's that's pretty prominent for that that time, because I mean this is when the whole place is being settled and is being settled by Quaker. So, like Pennsylvania is Quaker Settlement and that's how Elizabeth Griskin a hey Betsy Ross, which makes you think like she. She robbed banks later in life and went on the Lam and changed her name. Not true you'll see it's it'll all become apparent a second, but she was raised as a strict Quaker in Penn, When you write one of nine children who grew to adulthood, but her parents had seventeen kid steered and while the Quakers take like keeping their faith,

going by multiplying seriously. I mean that's like how a lot of religious groups are. They do it twofold. They, produce a lot and they also try to make sure that their their members who are born into their their groups met. Other members were in the groups so that they will raise more quakers or what Have you the whatever the religious group is actually Betsy ran how this later on, as will see she's a bit of a rebel the air, and also I imagine Samuel as Quaker was like you know, it's very fun, creation and his wife was like it's not as one for me Please I'm sure it is essentially a great lake, eighteenth century clicker impressively the better. Perhaps? This is the one thing we are allowed to do: that's good while they so the Quakers

She had a really really liberal society like there is a lot of equality. There is a lot of. It was a very there were very peaceful croup, and so are there pacifists through and through but they also were really strict. Morally, like if you were in a play, you could be fine. Twenty shillings and spend tended ten days in jail for being in a play. There was a kind of frivolous and not very religious, but on the other hand they all drank. Like fish, you just worried about So it's like the native Americans because they created that with corrupting them, Denison Quakers, oh yeah, sure nice. You, I think we used to work with one. Didn't we? Yes, yes, if it so, I think we know the same coin. There's probably, but now I'm wondering of first vows about to shout out the name is like. Should I not like. Why? Wouldn't I bet

nothing happened. Why would I be exactly and there you thought, fraud while some people like to keep their stuff personal Saunders show Gonna do that under the table. Quaker is what they did, but there there also called the society of frenzy. I think is the greatest name for any religious group of all time right, founded by six year olds, society, a society of best wins are there in pencil mania. The one thing that we do know is that heard nickname was Betty and when she was about fifteen, she did two so very well, she was an apprentice. Tuna pollster John Webster, and this is She learned her craft right and dumb when you think of like we always hear Betsy Ross being a seamstress right. She was not seem she like you just said in upholsterer, which involved a lot more than say, dressmaking, his mare fact. I'm sure she did

close here there. She knew how to, but mostly her stuff was, unlike sewing, curtains and table cloth and rugs and like other textiles rather than like actual clothing. So she was in upholsterer through and through so is seamstress specifically clothing. That's the can I have interesting. I feel like such a fraud, because I didn't look up the difference between the two, but that's that's my take on it Find out also shook umbrellas. Nation blinds and flags that something in upholstery would have made beckoned eighteenth century. Only seamstresses any woman who sows ok, anything oh then I wonder if upholsterer is a specialty of seamstress, then probably so and what is a man who so called the seem stir. Maybe never never thought about that.

And, if he's in the union his seems Sir Teamster dad. I know it's got a really bad and they will have Jerry cut that out to keep my problem. So while she was doing this work, she met a man named John ROS note, the last name, and He was also an apprentice in was good at it. He opened his own shop and what sort of em he can't he came from a well. Next family in his actual uncle George, you might have recognize from that painting Georgia junior, he was he signed it. Duration of independent right. That's legit are you here is a use big time. He was, I think, a representative were four pence Virginia in the legislature, either Pennsylvania New Jersey, one of the two here, here's a bigwig. If he's hang out

George Washington and Betsy Losses upholstery shop. Then he was a big wake and write a big powdered which, by the way, so this her marriage to John ROS. It didn't very long, although it was kind of marked by that, like younger younger age radicalism, where she so John Ross was in Anglican. Yeah you when the Quaker, which was bad right. So they fell in love. He was an impulsive as well and John Ross and bets Betsy later Betty Ross when they met in, fell in love. They had to elope to New Jersey, which everybody does the ill of two New Jersey, because her parents were like. You cannot do that I'm doing it. They said well, then you're in your out and she went often got married and she was excommunicated excommunicated at the way things are specifically catholic. Bishop kicked out of the quicker

and her parent, her family disowned her. So she deftly loved the guy, went off and followed her heart and they ve made sweet upholstery together because he opened his own shop. Actually has really sad, though I mean this great there. They found each other, but its anytime, someone's, like expelled, been disowned by their family. It's just sort of share of religions. Yeah. It is therefore yeah for any reason, really. You know like bringing shame or dishonor it's like it's, your family, that's supposed to be supposed to be there for you, no matter what but doesn't always worked out that way where it, which was which Chuck means family is what you make of it. I thought family. What was it? Never trust family, never trust that, specifically blood family So the revolutionary war comes along and in Philadelphia people were, you know, can getting together forming militias?

Do you know defend the city in case case things went down right, and no one knows for sure what was going on with John and Betsy. But We do know that he did he died, just don't know quite how yeah they think maybe It was either an accident or I from being in the militia or theirs there's supposedly family, rumour that he may have suffered from mental illness and may have died as a result of something some complicate. From that really sad, though, Cosette was obviously her. Truly, of enough to to leave her family in religion and she was widowed in seventeen. Seventy six, just what years later after got married, yet so so three years after right, yeah, ok, so when she

the widow there that radicalism I mentioned earlier sorry to kick in. She went back to Quakerism if she ever left him. I know I've never seen that sheep began attending like Anglican, mass or anything, but she went back to the quick response she joined it. A group, a specific group of Quakers, called the Free Quakers, are fighting quakers who were like our quakers, but we also are not crazy into pacifism, Water up, we are, we will show me back, show me and see what happens, and that was what they were on their on their shirts butt head, but the reason that they were Anti pacifism because they want to support independent since there is going to be a fight, a struggle for independence, and you couldn't really side with inside in and not be a pacifist, basically yeah, member pacifism episode. That was a good one. There was

Edwin written, so she was once again unlucky in love. She got married again to my Joseph Ash burn died in prison and in Britain and then she finally got married time to a man named John Clay. And she was married to him until he died. But this was like twenty years this yo you. I know how Sheen John Claypole met at her second husbands, funeral alma, the guy. He showed our afterward John Clay Pool, even even more even sooner than that John Claypole was imprisoned with Joseph aspirin over in great Britain and after he got out, he made his way over to America and he's the one who brought bets

Ross, the news that her husband died and then he I guess he was like. So you do not ride. Can I can I be of any assistance for you and rather than just being there for her, he took away the for her and he was just there. I wonder if he was By the way your husband's last words were totally. You should go marry my wife, that's the that's. To do back in the day so she worked isn't upholsterer until she died at the age of eighty four, eighty thirty six. She had five little girls, which is kind of great and side from that that's kind of what we know about Betsy Ross. As far as the facts go yeah that's about where they they run.

Anybody say listener all guys. You left out the most important one, the most important fact the story of pursuing the american flag. Well, well, we're going to stick by what we just said and say that we just ran out of facts, which means is pretty good time for message, but don't you think Charles agreed will be right back.

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is that when Betsy Ross was hanging around for upholstery shop when they in philadelphia- and I believe, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six- I think June 17th seventy six when they say I happened, Three men came in that trio, including George Washington, George ROS, who was member her first husbands uncle and then a man named Robert Morris was a wealthy man known as the financing of the revolution and considered one of the founders of the. U S financial system. These three come in very, very important men and, as Legend goes Betsy Ross recognise George Washington, immediate. And they said, MRS Ross. We need your help. We we have two were part of the continental Congresses, Flag Committee and we ve been tasked with coming up with the flag. Will you help us create this flag and she basically said: let me see what you get yeah she said: will first of all my husband passed away six months ago. So why are you bother me of all people right?

Uncle George was like I know, but you're still family. You still got Ross on your name and so make for a good story later. So she, at the design and she said this is not bad. She said, but you may want to change the proper since a bit, and her real and in this kind of the one thing that I think most historian, do agree on. Is that her big change, design wise was changing the star from six point, eight to a five point. Her right you if you agree that their bessie was did have a hand in making the original flag than yet, you probably say, that's, probably correct, and apparently just because was easier on her to cut yeah. Think that. They were saying, like five pointed stars of be harder than the six point, so she said no, no, unlike whipped out or scissors, and cut up some either cloth or paper in show them. How easy was near, like that's beautiful and George was she was like a recital target

about this. Can we go like why my I upholstery shop, rely on my general. Why am I in this story, doesn't even makes sense that I will be here. Oh save that ok, so they said. Sure that's fine easier to cut you ve proved it no George Ross over there trying to cut the six improve IRAN, the sunlight, down came back out of here is missing a finger Tipps, and so they said that that, let's find must have, and they draw the new sketch they incur rate heard her new star and they said get to it. Kindly and she did and its a bit was a big flag. It wasn't like this was when they were gonna fly. You know out impact exert, wasn't like a little tester flag right, so it took awhile.

And what would it take a few days maybe- and she finally says hears what I've got and they say this is great. Let's see how it looks on the master of a ship: they hoisted up a ship and they said right, I think we're gonna go here. Everyone tat our basically that's it. You know it's just occurred to me. Chuck is how closely our history of besides resemble drunk history episode. I know said for sober right issue, but the so that the flag is it's been proven. Massive ship looks beautiful and they go back to Betsy Ross and they say Betsy. We're gonna need a lot more. These than the implication is commerce takes over him. Betsy becomes wealthy and secures hers her her place, as one of the the important figures of early american history- that's right here, The thing now is that there is no

or evidence that this happened? This all comes from a story that her grandson? we can be told in eighteen set, These issues have been passed away for what thirty years more almost Christopher, between thirty and forty, so sheep, but it wasn't like she died a hundred and fifty years before when her grandson wrote it down like he had known her in his lifetime yeah, and he- that his aunt had told him this ten years before right and said this She told me the story. He reckoned did it probably in a much nicer way than we just did and he told this- is in a speech at the Pennsylvania, historical society- and this was you know, eighteen, seventy. Eighteen. Seventy six is right around the corner. Everyone's get no all hot and bothered by the upcoming celebration right, and

everyone to sort of where we get to the reasons why, but everyone definitely bought into this right. This is great, let's run with it right and so but the here's Bower historian say: okay, I, Sir William, can be produced this story in his speech to the historical society, took place a hundred years after the thing happened. Almost forty years after Betsy Ross died, it family, lore and apparently got other people from the family to come, testify like yes, they ve heard this story multiple times and in India, similar iterations. It's like the story of how our ancestors, and mother and her whatever she was to them, so the first american flag and they say. Ok, though, we dont think that the right ass in clay, poor families are liars by any stretch their not now that existed make it up. You know right, that's gets kind of. The the what's a common you give somebody, the benefit of the doubt

this benefits for the benefit of the doubt that historians and give the families that they do not just like liars who made this up but it is family Lawrence historians, kind of approach with a little bit of a grain of salt. The thing is: there's no other family in the United States who sang actually heads. It was our grandmother who made the the first american flag, or My grandfather was at that meeting and he was the one who came over the stars. There's nothing like that. There's no other competing stories to this. What to this family story the reason why a historic sick with a green assaults, because again, like you said, This no documentary evidence whatsoever to show that it ever did take place. Yeah there's like there are few flags here red flags that is about why this may not be true. What I think is that it version of the truth, and then history tells wraps a good story around it right

there was no record of a committee being formed The George Washington was there is just doubtful in and of itself as a huge super Army general in american hero that he would be like, Can you kidding around and when he's like, why am I here? But why would you been there, but the others. Not only that this is this was recounted by William can be as a a congressional committee for the flag and there's two problems with that George Washington wasn't a member of Congress right. So again, why would they said, him along with this committee and then, secondly, Congress, now in any way shape or form on paper at least took up the flag that the details of the flag until one thousand seven hundred and seventy seven a full year after the story supposedly took place that's right! There are few things working in her favour here. It is

provide that she was paid a prick. In sum of money, same here by the Pennsylvania State Navy Board. Okay, so that she did make flags for the Pennsylvania Navy. Well, this is where it gets all murky, because there's another man which will get into. What was put opinion that, though, of that guy for now, ok, I guess we're getting pretty fast and furious. And there is also a painting suppose leading to eighteen, fifty one, the devil meaning that shows her sewing an american flag, but I dont think they have like officially authenticated that its from eighteen, fifty one, eighty five, one year, but here's what I don't understand if there was a painting in eighteen, fifty one I mean. Supposedly none of this happened all one. What seventy there

be story. Year later, when the big meeting took place, where I mean that's when That's when William can be told that family story, but the fact that there is a painting that pre dates his speech by nineteen years showing the same thing, but I assure that lends support to his story for sure all right, but it's still that's an one thousand, eight hundred and fifty one painting depicting something that happened: seventy five years prior right, oh yeah, I'm sorry. My map was, I forgot, a hundred years that he forgot to carry the one I did but again that that painting is not. I don't think I fully authenticated. So who knows, if that's true or not, thirty lying Ross, Claypole family members did it like two thousand twelve days unless claypole for a minute, About to run out of the room, the eye glass claypole her another promise, guy

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You said that there was another guy who kind of muddles the issue a little bit and he does but not fully, because if little school kids are being taught that Betsy Ross did design the flag. That is an issue because this guy named Francis Hop Sin is given credit more than anybody else for having a hand. In designing the first american flag, if not be, the design of the american flag this this sketch that this trio of the congressional committee brought in allegedly ear so the story, the story I heard around the camp fire of Old Hopkinson was that he he kind of, was in fact the designer he designed quite a few things back then for the United States and the first thing he did was say I want payment of a quarter ask of wine, but then he actually I want twenty seven hundred pounds, which would be like

worth and then we're like will now we're paying you as an infant disorder that, like working for a corporation and owning your own, and they bad at it back and forth, and then we're like, will now we're paying you as an input disorder that, like working for a corporation, and only your own ip and there right now we're paying you anyway. This is ours, when you look at what he filed for- and this is where the naval thing comes in, it was for the night. The flag of the United States is what he requested payment for rice. Supposedly, the quarter cask of public wine for the american flag and the the big old, like twenty seven hundred pound bill, was for the naval fly and that's the only one that Congress responded to. They just totally ignored the first one. I guess you This is where I is get a little confused. Mean there are practical reasons is not like. We just want to fly a flag like in bad, The keys here, too, is that they needed a flag. It wasn't just like. I mean there are practical reasons like we does want to fly the flag

in battle. Flags are very important or they were back then, because if you, small Navy and you didn't have a flag that everyone knew. As you know, the United States would be basically dont bother me right is likely don't shoot, em unfriendly with you. We needed enable flag right so They had they there a bunch of flags that that you could find in Revolutionary America at the time. There is a very famous for that you would recognise today on the Washington squadron. That's a good one. It is a white flag with a green paint three the siren yoga. Heaven do right, which is the point of that. To say that when you revolt, you're, you're going above the kings head because the king was the had line right like they. They ruled by. You know on behalf of Heaven, so by revolting

Since the king you're, going to Heaven the kings boss in saying hey, we want to get rid of this guy near, but the pine tree there was actually revolt. There was that took place a few years before the Boston tea. Party. Even it was the first revolt in the in the colonies against the king, the first actual revolt, and it was because the king said on this pine tree, I on their patriotic this pine tree and they were to make ships masts out of there are very, very valuable, but the king was keeping all the good and in so these millowners just started cutting up the kings ones as well. The sheriff, and I can't remember where it was but came to arrest, a mill owner and some other mill owners came around and they beat sheriff. I can chase them off and that was the first actual act of rebellion in the colonies and that's why the pine tree became a symbol of rebellion,

revolution it. I didn't know that until today it's a symbol of a pain in my, but if your king, the king of the king of England, but it's a pretty flag, it's alright! Ok, are you a Gadsden flag person? No, ok! That thing that too much controversy. That's very famous dont dread Ami Flag Right, a rattlesnake coiled up saying don't mess is Texas. Texas, don't try. Dogma is what it says: and then there is, of course, the sons of liberty, flag, nine, vertical stripes, red and white. It's fine in this. You know, and this one took different different than the one we stuck with with the thirteenth some thirteen stars over the blue field in the upper left corner. There were different designs for that, including one that I think I might have liked better Well, one time they had thirteen stars in forming a square

but then they had one where therein and urge over seventy six, which I think would look conical, that's Abbas, flag near the agreed for a little while they had the american flag, the red and White Stripes thirteen red and white stripes. Field on the flag and then the Canton, which is a square, in the upper left corner, which can be up to a quarter of the size of the flag and it still considered a can. Was the union jack that these were Egg Alex Real, weird and dumb. They. They apparently were running into trouble flying that too, because those little confusing so they abandoned that and as legend has it, that flag is while awaiting which show that they really needed in official United States fire that suppose these would lead to that Betsy Ross Languages, thirteen, stars in a circle on Canton, a blue Canton with the thirteen alternating red and white stripes.

Yeah. I would say that at the very least the young the Grand union flag as it was known with the union. Can, the corner was highly confusing in battle, so Congress, comes clear to them that they that, yes to flag, we need a national flag, but that the big distinction between what actually happened in this the story of Betsy Raw says that they didn't say anything about the flag until June 14th, one thousand seven hundred and seventy seven when they passed the flag resolution and they did consider these he's some things? We won on the flag and that's it and that's the first time. There's any trail. Any paper trail of the United States actually thinking it Pima and discussing a flag, and we have every other change from then I think one thousand nine hundred and fifty nine or one thousand nine hundred and sixty. From seventeen seventy seven onto the mid twentieth century

No, every change that was made as a documented it, but this alleged First Betsy Ross flag, took place outside of that doctor History will remain unknown at the time. You know that this was something important. I guess I said you know what has happened. Well there's a lot of reasons one reason was even way back in eighteen, seventies. There was a notion that women were doing some great things and being overlooked. And they wanted to inspire young women and girls across the country to do great things as well, so better way to do so. Then too, sort of Jesse up this Betsy Raw story right. There is also like a desire for you. Kind of reference did earlier about the centennial coming up in eighteen. Seventy six,

like a real hunger in the United States, which has a relatively young country, take two to have its own mythology. Yes, for some of these stories that were being kind of. Generated in air rehashed. Her put down on paper for may be the first time that that that's what they provided was this. This shared national history that that the United States citizens were kind of like rallying behind yeah. That's that's a good example. Why that would have taken often become cemented yet the other thing that can attracts me up as the fact George Washington was in the story himself. The Apparently he was just such a legend at the time and just you know, emblematic of of what this country was and would be. Does it here and up in a lot of stories that he was Never really at egg is m in this environment. Boy just tell a story in the eye and guess who else was there

maybe they're losing the crowd General George Washington himself, because this crashes gas since its air. If the woozy and then, of course, the easiest explanation is that you know it's a simple story here: easy to tell and it's pretty strange line has nice beginning middle an end and it's much better than weird, convoluted retail. Let no one would remember anyway. So here's where France's Hopkinson comes in the story It's gonna get a little money here kid burden to the airline, but then money and then it was unable flag let's see I got a couple of things about the flag, so in others the study of flags, how their made with their what they symbolizes called relics. Ology photos, flag, airy; no, that's where you starting to lose steam

Ok, relics, ology, there's a great ninety. Nine percent, invisible episode on fire. How yeah that's right! I knew her that word so and when it is so, the United States flag, there's thirteen horizontal stripes, seven red Why, in case you everyone when it trivia the stripes, are the thirteen colonies. Obviously, in the stars of the fifty states of the union, the symbolizes, hardiness and valor, not blood, white symbolizes purity and innocence. Blue represents vigilance, perseverance and justice and if you ever want to see a heck of a flag, go to the Smithsonian Museum of American history and you can see the STAR Spangled Banner, the flag that was flying over Fort Mchenry in one thousand eight hundred and fourteen when Francis Scott Key,

looked up in the dawns, light and saw that it was still flying over there despite the massive assault by the British and was inspired to write the STAR Spangled banner, which became the national anthem in nineteen. Thirty three, I believe yet. Nineteen thirty one, of course, is what I meant amazing. So that's it. Egg in Betsy, ROS, go forth and tell the truth, and if you I know more about that, you ass, you can read this article of fine one by EDGAR Urban, actually unhoused efforts at camp. Since I said that it's is time for listener mail We call this really cool email from an Atari guy. This is throwing us hey guys the show I worked at at Atari in the late seventies, I ran the warehouse in nineteen. Seventy six Warner brothers purchased a diary from its founder, Knowin bushel. Sit down for a couple of years after that, before departing and seventy eight, a cartridge,

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