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despite year, harassment. I still figured it out what about somebody you want his here. I have his hair buddy about them. I do Mean Tom Brady, known. Chuck. Yes, did you grow up? I'm tv dinners? There are no real now. My mom is was, and is a great cook, so she wouldn't have that. I see I see well. Well, I did I grew a tv dealers are usually when a tv dinner appeared so you did miss out they're, pretty amazing when you're like six seven years old, oh I've had them well, six or seven. Now I m like in college. Ok, so so so you understand the magic of a tv tuner right sure origin. That is like a secure.

Sure was Mary, oh yeah, all of your foods and, like a differ, little compartment yeah, and he just staring at you. I mean like this to sway to sweep petty gayer way. Six to seven better and when I was six, if I would get it we dinner meant that my parents were like going to do so right. There are going to play bridge or something like that right. So as a special night like I barley, exit, I'd probably get to stay up later there be baby centred whatever it was, this kind of a special thing when tv dinners made an appearance, appearance ever did anything together. They naturally ever play cards are no man. I rarely had babysitters. I remember having babysitters theirs was one of em they're yeah. Maybe they don't trust you that's it

each other. They may have really enjoy key party swell plus I hear you never know. I had to have a sister, the six older, though so area in baby sitter ear, but they stood and do a lot of everything. I remember I can literally to think of a few times like when you an eleven John Concert once they got a pretty good track record so far and wide Mohammed's are Elvis, but not with my dad wow on that last tour to men I think they call back the jumpsuit integrity tour today I'm a kiss my breath that hatred but an undignified ending gear. They didn't didn't, do much stuff together. So I didn't get a lotta tv dinners, adding get alot of hay theirs, just throw it in warm up. My mom was kind of yeah, always cooking for us

no, my mom curricula to boot. Now that I'm older and look back on like us critical You mean, like you know, she was a yard nurse for PETE's sake, you how a weird hours and stuff but she's great, She raised me very well, as everybody knows, is well known fact so with Maybe dinners in particular that I have a certain amount of nostalgia, form church but apparently America as a whole has a bit of nostalgia for tv dinners The tv dinner in the Smithsonian for PETE's sake. That's like America's greatest repository of nostalgia for sure yeah. So I think we should take people on a delightful tour of the history of this wonder. We. I owe you sound like you're, not so sure I am sure I was joking around four undecided autism. You know magical experiences everyone's about to have but we like that's in green in it. So as

story goes Swan Censier Swanton Ensigns was, and is a leader frozen food industry. Whether or not this is and who knows, but it's a great story, was that one thanksgiving they had too much. Turk, on their hands posts. Thanksgiving yeah to the tune of some two hundred and fifty tonnes of turkey that they didn't sally overestimate, which is so sad, you know, get for those turkey their legs thanks for another year, like we see wanted to give our life as a meal. Now we're not just on a train. Well, yeah, that's what they did so the story goes they had about they loaded. They could nor is it enough room enough freezer room, while this turkey, so they put it on a frozen, train or a refrigerated train car as polaroids. Its call them he industry and the trick

This thing is, is in order for that train to stay refrigerators, gotta keep moving, and so they face we were just run in this turkey all over the country to keep it frozen in cold It's like the one movie I'm set in the future with till the Sweden, where the train never start our societies on the train, yet absolutely that, but with frozen turkey of the kid movie, Sir, that cross between their in speed yet like so, if the train ever stops, it's gonna lose four duration, the loser. The duration of Turkey's all go bad. So there's this remember that since which. When Homer strained to describe or think of the name of the movie speed like it's about a about a bus, speed goes down and it can speed up any says it like that many times any other. I think it's called the bus that would

slow down or that couldn't slowly out there. I remember the very funny line. But this is real life chuck. This wasn't a cartoon or a joke. Now, half a million pounds of Turkey on a train and if it's out of its points Where do you live in? It said that no, the idea that this actually happen. I know it's so insane me so apparently the swans and Brothers Clark and dumb The other brothers Niobrara Gilbert, I want to say or can gable, but Clark were swans and said I employees, we Do you put your heads together and come up with an idea, so they had it Mr Virgin, they had an employee contests where whoever could come up with what Do with all this turkey, I guess we're just be the employer. Month, or something like that

and all the while this contest is going on in the swans and company. There train out there in the United States of America, just certain circling endlessly, because I can't or else the turkeys we'll go bad until this one went yeah. So there was a salesman name, Jerry, Thomas J E r R. Why not like our own J e r. I write which no one ever gets right. The prior get he travelled from Nebraska to Pittsburgh. You were PAN American Airways had their kitchens right, because They were testing single compartment, foil, tray meals that they would serve to people, and I guess he couldn't in in what that might look like and once he went there in person right and steal one while yeah, so that-

There was a single compartment rights are basically was a trade that you put up. The food on there. Weren't like different compartments in the trade and he's a guy get my hands on one of these right. This is innovation. I dont understand that either, which is why his story smells little fishy to make agreed. By. Does this guide you Thomas's thee, he's is known as the inventor basically the tv dinner right yeah. So he comes back to. Swans emboldened and says I got it. I've I've driven from Pittsburgh back home, to wherever this once in companies located. Where am I he famously said? He said- and I have added to more Compartments into this trace unnecessary compartment trade, and I did I already two lines in there's no way. I know how to do it

turkey now we're gonna basically sell. It is a frozen thanksgiving dinner and he said your employee of the month chair here to say, looking potatoes and gravy here. Yet your peace here Turkey here, none of it such as each other. I'm a genius, I'm Jerry Thomas. So this coalesce with the another craze, which was television in nineteen. Fifty three, There are thirty three million households with televisions, and it was really I mean and other people that had been doing this before Quaker State foods in forty nine, had something in the Superman, get a frozen meal called under geez, I think There's one thing I would say the most one of the most offensive brand names over here: the one eyed eskimo label. Yeah. That's

terrible. Today's were almost in supermarkets and then in a previous to that, even the strategy plates from MAX and were being served on aeroplanes, but not as a retail food righto. It had been before said the creation of the tv dinner. Well, wait, don't don't don't leave out Jack Fischer who jack Fisher regular ozone, gold, frigid yes, but there the most depressing meal. However, because there is an embargo yeah, they certainly are assuming you didn't have to leave to go home to eat dinner, you could to stay and keep drinking man some bars and allay enlist, feel us. When I lived there that around two a m. The a guy would come around. So ok, that's different out due to the best I'll be there legit, handmaid tamales and at one fifty five was the perfect time to be dropped in to the drawing room. Oh yeah, nice anyway, the creation, the tea.

Dinner was not so much that it was a brand new thing, but it was. It was a marketing success story because, the tv they thought. If we can build a singer on the television, then we ve got something our hands right. That was the key. The tv yet a tv dinner right because all of a sudden it was like cave everywhere. Live tv plus this. Of their didn't realize a certain amount of like cachet to the tv dinner right, because If you had a tv dinner meant that you had a tv and if you had a tv, you are probably upper middle class sure at the time right so dear having a tv, a dinner to go with your tv, really appealed. Two Americans and even to stay there was such a great Marketing I guess that people still call these

like almost any frozen, aren't or frozen meal a tv dinner here, even though it was nineteen sixty two went swans and stop calling their products that they still made the products they two sub calling on tv dinners IRB. Everybody else kept calling on tv then get your enemies in the eighties. Like twenty years after they that brand went away Stoke on tv dinners and eating a mine. Betrays. This is another thing out. I'd check. Dehydrated knows her! There was a hope. The whole point of a tv tray was it was affordable, individual table, tat. You would open up in front of yourself and EU, the dinner on well, you're sitting on the couch sea could watch tv most efficiently while you eating dinner. Yet another cover the coffee table you to stoop over a little bit or the sink eating over the sink. I dont know what that is depressing way to eat.

So these are actually called that was the brand swans tv brain frozen dinner and their their big concepts with the box Look it up on the internet. Was it look like it does design local television the box? Was it the tea? The dinner was like the screen on the screen, and then it the little dials on the bottom left and right corner and You don't look like little. Tv is ninety eight cents and nineteen fifty four and they sold a ton of him yeah. They apparently so again, remember all this came from a bunch of Turkey that was about the spoil. Swans is littered with chrome start to an industry, so has it's an ordered, like five thousand of them, initially there to be made and they hired a small. Italian of of Ladys in aprons and ice cream scoop. In specialists to assemble these things right, majors harem, right down the assembly line, and they saw the five thousand just almost media,

and apparently in the first year that We were so they sold like her ten million of them. While they came, with them in eighteen, fifty four and by the end of the first full year which I guess we'll be nineteen fifty five decades ten million of them. So we welcome initially ordering five thousand government selling ten billion over many year. It just hit America just right, and it was at a time where women were starting to what can I reentered the workforce gave them time that they could still get that hot meal table. Cosette was her job back then right right. Women are really great opportunity to provide a stark contrast to the year. Husbands, mother, yeah, yeah, apparently for her a bunch of men who are like this in good enough. I want my wife to cook from scratch, like my mom Doktor Freud, and if they could be like my mom and a lot of other ways that be awesome, would it killed, were heard no role

so the apparently didn't delight all men because they were on board but would kill it. It's just me up in a diver wishes you in episode on that some time ass, a thing o available, sang Froid, but on men wearing diapers is unknown. Yes, fairylike, I think, is called diaper play for sex play, but by its diaper centric. Yet we should do a pike S just so that we can included in, like maybe a fetish whenever there took a weird journals did jeez yet continued under sets. A good word ended, I think no footman. So we take a break all right. I'm gonna go change. My diaper, we'll talk about gelatin writer

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check your saying that in the last two and that that the tv dinner hit just right yet in struck circle, Erica impart, because women were starting to enter the workforce right and what I was partially the result of world war. Two worlds to also- change things as far as food and food consumption in food packaging goes and add up only at the end of we're too. There were a lot of companies that are gone all in into applying the troops food. Yet there were makeup. Great money, but apparently were basically with a large amount of supply. When the war ended and they said well, if we don't figure out a way to get non Wartime America, the regular american consumer, to buy the stuff. We're gonna go out of business over extended, basically and so forth. Companies- I guess-

Julie and, on the whole time, America to basically, why had prior to point being considered field rations, yeah like speed if you remember that part Gasset, Gunnar was where that whole movement was born, yet spam, condensed soup de Hydro did stuff. Freeze, dried stuff, like all of this came out of. Basically in overstock of world war, two food supplies that were intended for troops were kind of repackage, rearranged to be so to the american consumer, and part of that also was the same thing that we dinner struck, which which was convenient. You know like hey here, your husband They want. A meal in your your family still expects you to be the one to to cook for him, but now you have to work. So what are you gonna do? Well, we have. We have something helpful for you and it's called convenience foods and one of the big convenience foods. Came out of the post war era, but really it

together steam before that was gelatin. He asked vaguely jello as the name brand but gelatin. The word is from latin gelatinous, meaning jellied froze and it was first use in Egypt, but I was really first used in cooking in France and you know, I think, most people notice by now, but if you dont gelatin is there's a protein and it's it's deuce from college in from boiling animal bones. Yeah or hooves yeah yeah I get so it it's it's. Agnes. Basically, and they can go one of two ways I think, depending on what you do with it, you can turn it into a glue or you can turn it to food. That is therefore a good start. No really neither air and again

from the I think, the seventeenth century in France. What is his name? Pepin Yemen peppered Dennis Plebeian right who may or may not be really Jacques PAN. There is great and french he's also cook the first person to mention it in writing. I believe- and then it is kind of sat there for a while until the nineteenth century, when I guess it, people aware of gelatine and that you could use it as a food, but it was. Extraordinarily Gore, me like the average person, was. Making jello at home. It was very time consuming yeah you, you had to start from rich and boil animal bones to start the process of gelatin. It was the exact up That is how we think of gelatine today, which is instantaneous writer, so easy, yet so in the nineteenth century, the this guy need Peter Cooper

figured out a way to turn gelatin into a powder form a dehydrated gelatin powder and it went absolutely nowhere for fifty years- and I was superb, to find this out. I knew it was pretty old, but it's interesting how it's kind of Moved along in these very slow little fits and starts like no one would give up on it now, who's interesting ways, weird- because it's really discussed here, if you think about it, it should have been given up on and had never was it. A very bizarre invention almost makes you feel like there is some sort of divine hand guiding Gelatin along in its progress. Yes, a later on in eighteen, ninety four gunning Trials- Knox, Chemic, revolutionizing We found a came up with a process. Resulted in a dried sheet of gelatin and he heard

elsewhere go door to door to show women like hey. You can add liquid. Did these sheets, you can make desserts, you can make aspects which is really gross word. I think it is Not it's pretty it's a gross thing. It's a savory gelatin year which will get to that better. Couple years later arose, Knox, which it was at his wife S, yes published a book called dainty desserts, which is book recipes and things were kind of moving along a little bit eighteen ninety five, those a cough syrup company in New York, called pearl pearl, be weight Let's go pearl. Wait: ok, Sir W Hiv right for they weren't. So cops Europe's it. He said I must get into the food business. And the wife whose name was may said Nina? Let me add: some fruit serves to the stuff and actually

he's the one who named Jello. She came up with that name yeah, but they didn't succeed. Either and so that their Labour. Francis that the whole name orator, Frances, Woodward, yes for four hundred and fifty bucks, this person purchase the name in Brain jello right and he almost fell victim to the curse of jello- is well right. He could do nothing with it either. Despite some, the attempts. He apparently to sell it to his supervisor, work for thirty five box, even though he paid four hundred fifty two at while for it, so it at some. Well, I guess he decided to give it another go and he hired a bunch of travelling salesman sent about affairs community, other things that kind of stuff. Said teach people how to make the yellow and Time had started to stick actually Jello Jello kind of hit

Just the right time failure. I should say the world was finally ready for Jello part of it, headed with refrigeration here for sure once Nina refrigeration. Is four Jello, as we all know, I end once those technologies were developed. It kind of well, it form, literally, Congealed figuratively. And then once advertising started taken over likened the midnight teen thirties, general it's a very this radio from Jack Penny, J e L, L o tag. Really gonna help push things long as well. In at some point. They started dabbling with with other flavors, I think. Originally they tried strawberry, raspberry orange and women. I and then they tried chocolate and ate the apparent chocolate didn't go very well, so they re supporting their right. No first, this really set as chocolate jealous guy has pretty awful.

Thirdly, we should add milk instead of water and yet when they came up with Jello pudding and they re released chocolate and that that spread like a whole put, wine, including something I grew. Which is Butterscotch Jello pudding earlier man. It was so good except you you couldn't do you had to get the skin The skin was no good, but everything under the skin was great. What would you say those dislike of on top. It was a very is the tougher layer on top. Yet, if you just scraped off, he had some nice pudding underneath and we still loves the brown. The chocolate jello pudding? Yes, good so make a parfait like you know, a little little putting a little with criminal pudding little whipped cream. She knows how to live here has hit half its special, It happens about three times a year and a my oh boy, Sparta time so a nineteen fifty is supposedly the jello shot with.

Alcohol was invented by this really interesting, guiding, Tumblr or who on his, imitation and a singer. Songwriter who looked into I'm he'd, be did so here it is about math in chemistry. I guess he was like the Jonathan coltan of his day. I can tell- and he was also an army and to get around I'll call restrictions as the story goes, he claims he invented the Jello shot, which I've never had. A word never have a yellow shot. Oil unanimous in months have pretty girls well Cello against Angela. Why? Even if you do it, if you like or embezzlement to Jello its debts disclose, does it tastes like tat was yellower what it s, it's very obnoxious tastes use. Pussy use like I think, you're place, half of the water, with whatever liquor using. Usually people use vodka while ever really just stands out in a noxious way. Grass

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speeding long, it's it's taking over America. And they may decide to come out with these savory lines and it became and this was this post war war- to think that you are talking about- I guess they did what this great article you sent, making and eating the nineteen. Fifty most nauseating, Jello Sort recipes from a collector, weak, yellow, mandatory Hunter Oatman Stanford in that this interview and dumb with Ruth Clark Gear, if Clark basically we'll get interview and she talks about Canada savory movement that took over in not, with Jello, but the fact that it was, time in America where and if you look back is so great back at these old ads in his old recipe bottles that it was a time where you would the guy was to have a dinner party with this big flashy

spare mental and unique centerpiece food centrepiece made of Jello well tell em all kinds of things are done. What the hot dog tree right, there. There could be a lot of different stuff. I think that's what Roof Clark? Does she recreate the stuff right, yeah and her poor husband has to either, but a lot of those things were Jello, Bold Sawyer and a lot of the reason why jello moulds were so weird and so popular. Because Jello puts much time and effort into publishing cookbooks in the whole guy. Wasn't all these companies wanted, like all of their products too to be your entire meal, yeah, so they're putting these these random part like products, a thick food but he made into some really weird configurations and they came up with some very odd jello, molds and fifty or sixty does such a sad culinary time it was by the roof clerk. My second point is that to the people were at that time,

like a really well thought out. Fancy jello mole was as such, piece of their clear table was like the pinnacle of class in us. You ever work can about like a shaped mould with like. WHAM shake in asparagus inside of Jello essay Ray Jello. That's like celery flavoured, you love. If ever savory the lime jello is one of the most abuse jello flavors of all time. People would put tuna stuff, lime, jello, there's one called affection salad that law inside of lime jello here and why Roof clerk pointed out, is a joke and apparently preserves really well send in that also, there would have otherwise been inevitable and running after day, three was still crunchy. After day five, when it was put inside of a jello mauled several grocer Mozart,

Great Buzzfeed article. If you want to An idea of what people were doing in the fifty Sixtys and Seventys with Jello Mould called, teen horrifying. We disgusting, retro, gelatin recipes and they are groves. Man cottage cheese and salmon mould yeah yeah I hate jello man, that area you like your waking nightmare. I can't even look there what you said to me: that's grove about half way through it deleted at through my computer on the window. The best one I see is lime, cheese, salad, its entire line, Jello mixed with cottage cheese, and then in the center of the general mood you put a seafood salad, our Kraut mould I was on an eye, but it was a weird time and again Brief Clark has budgetary he said she can't really answer exactly why jello moulds were as big as they are, but she posits that part of it was this idea that there are all these

but he's trying to get you to use their products in these are just monstrosities that they came up with him. People fell for it. Like can salmon canned tuna in Jello threat. God, threats, Jello, moulds man. Where do you wanna had next? Let's go the crackpot. Three thousand cried for travel saw. First of all, I have a crackpot the same here: and is yours actually crockery using as a proprietary happening. I dont think its a crackpot brand pot. Yeah, it's a slow cooker agar I forget to use a lot, but when I remember our going a little crackpot, binge or I'll cook, You know a few meals over the course of a few weeks, and a crackpot in theirs

great. If you know how to use it, not a spice things out for sure. You know. Apparently at first people didn't know the because if you're cooking, a recipe say it's like summary, silica beef stew. The stove top yeah simmering action- that it's going undergoing, does something different. The recipe. Then a crackpot does, even though its the exact same recipe and so at first when crackpot It was first introduced by rival back and nineteen seventy one when crackpots first came out, they people were like this is this. This dinner that is making is really growth. It doesn't take very good I am here, and yet they still didn't stop using buying crackpots Wellgood was more bland back then

we're talking to seventy. So by the seventies. I think it was. The people are using more spices than before. I think there was more bland and, like the forties, maybe the fifties yeah, but there yeah, you're, probably right, but that one article we read said in a like an old rest for Chile would have like a teaspoon of Billy powders somethin her present in such all the food you sought, because I didn't lies like no man, you dump a bunch of that junk in there While you were saying back in the forty to when tv dinners really hit me, referring to enter the workforce these seventy one, moms really into the workforce and so the of having a crackpot where you could make this meal in a one party in the morning throughout all in their turn, it on then come home at the end of the day and dinner was ready. Still went to work and got everything you need to get done done with Sir attractive, that is that, despite the fact that it may

he's meals. It did not tastes like they should people were still like. I said there are still buying the crop pattern. Instead, they started look around to find tips for how to make these things tastes better, and I a woman named what was really Mabel, Mabel Hoffman, maybe half minster, the French said: peace, peace, children, I've got this covered, listen up! Yes, you wrote a book called the crockery cookery or a crock he Cookery Novi and it was a huge huge hit. The New York Times, bestseller I believe she went on the cell about six million copies of his thing here, and I think we ve said that you know we said with you. You throw the food in there and cook it all day, but the whole idea is that you put it kind of tight fitting, went on there. It could set a very, very low heat all day, long right and then, when you

when you get home from work eight hours later, something like that and will be dont need this servant, smile, yeah and thanks who crockery cookery the crop in eighteen, seventy one or two million bucks and seventy- to ten million. Seventy three twenty three million- eventually peeking in nineteen. Seventy five and ninety three million dollars worth of crackpots being sold yet was a genuine legit, craze food crises and supposedly crackpot cookery. The book was America's best sewing cookbook ever right. Yes, it was like a legitimate craze. Crackpot cooking was a legitimate crazed, but again there is something compared to the same recipes on the stove top is compared to a crackpot there's something in it was through. The flavor was just disappointing. So what Mabel Hoffman did is a very tight deadline, create from scratch a book. Could I guess, the world's first cookbook of slow cooker

supplies and she did in her own kitchen, with like twenty crackpots going all day every day. Here she had to testing stuff, and she figured some of the keys to crackpot cooking, which was like you want weigh less liquid thing. You he's like on the stove TAT Day. I have a lot less evaporation. The Jurassic park keeps it in there. It is one reason why made his suit so tender in a crackpot were slow cooker because it is circulates the the the moisture rather than allowing it to evaporate right. And then things we came up with. Is that when you, when you use herbs into the recipe you wanna Reserve, some of em fur right before the things finnish cooking seek at it like a pop of fresh flavour, yes so once you figure this out cut prices took off even more So she was, there were stolen, a bunch of crackpots. She was all about you cook books

and eventually she would said, have a really was onto something here. He wrote a deep sigh cookery chocolate cookery These are seventy eight, seventy, nine and seventy seven. What kind of all in a row crape cookery and eventually, eighteen, eighty five health, three healthy crockery, cookery and that the person Hu, I interviewed her later in life, said that she was justice really great lady humble and was super upfront about the fact that she like I hit something at the right time with the right book and it just distorted kind of fell into this and has been just like a wonderful thing for my life yet drilling it yeah. She sounds like a pretty cool person. So, what's your which a crackpot recipe, Oh geez, I don't know favorite thing to cook

Why are usually sums her like beef yeah, it's just as such, and such a good job like making arose, there's something you now: ok, but yeah. That's usually what I'm cooking when I cooking a crackpot is there is beef, very judges, crackpot beef, crackpot surprise if the good aspects you and take a break yeah? Let's take a break in finish up with a bit interesting bet on open

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this came out of this. This trend has to do with studies. Studies dick those studies here beds reporting the whole thing. I love Oats, o Brien yeah is very important. It so there is a huge trend in the eighties, where anything that had to do with o Brien, you could sell a million units of a minute. Yes, so much so that there is a ninety ninety article from Tulsa World that there are no answer to allay times. Article from ninety. Ninety said that there are over like three hundred different items. Available in grocery stores of the time that touted on its label the fact that it had open and poured nuts for. Yes, they were- and this is largely to some studies that came out. That said that out, bran was convent.

Local food for lowering cholesterol right now is that back in the late seventies and in I guess, quick roads took notice of those studies and they release the thing called mothers. Brain but they send it straight to the hippies at the health food sore this thing didn't do anything about these is released a product, and that was that yeah and then kill dogs came along and said: hey, you know what what if we start telling Well, there are food can basically prevent cancer. Can we do that? and the lawyers said no and the President of Kellogg's, overdoing it anyway who's gonna, say as Reagan enraged I know, I'm not gonna! Stop you as a good Reagan. And so they said, okay, well, you eat our cereal renewal will reduce cancer and nothing. Then there is no blow back despite the fact that this has been a legal for nearly a century and then quake its partnered, with Chicago's Northwestern University and Linda,

and horn and nineteen. Eighty six they had a similar study about out bran, cutting cholesterol right so Their stern disabled colleague didn't get in trouble is try this ourselves and they went out in there hired, Wilfer Brimley. Remember his eye has yeah. I think I told the story that working oh yeah was any like the antithesis of white. His his persona was the word got around. There are like this notice. It may be a short day because that's how it goes with them some time. This is that I think it was. I think we rapid about have take as he disliked I'm done I'm cantankerous there, but in the time when the cameras or Roy Hugh, he told everybody that eating quicker, o Brien was the right thing to do, and if a courier, cholesterol and then this came out. So things are starting to build here. For openness. Book came, I called the eight weak cholesterol cure by gaining robber Eco Wall, ski in chronicled, his decline. His elder yelled, the bag, cholesterol.

From eating and o Brien Diet, and that book became extraordinarily popular. Their supposedly was the these one of the greatest selling self, help health books of all time, it just took off and then yet another thing happen, and this is a thing this is like where the peak began: the death, The journal, the American Medical Association April, nineteen eighty eight published a study the University of Maryland, where these research is found that yeah eating and could really significantly lower your cholesterol and not only that it does it first sick, the price of the expensive cholesterol, lowering drugs, that's right and people eight, even more bran strike the trend is developing QC it. I think it's fully developed

point also everybody's, going o Brien crazy. One of the big things that that they were doing was eating open methods, but these Breyer Muffins were like loaded with fat in butter in eggs. And so they weren't actually doing anything near lower their cholesterol, because the effect would be counteracted, suckers right but in the in the meantime, people are still having fun eating lotta, muffins and pretending they were really healthy and his heart study came out and it basically, You know why you're all fools your dummies. You know how it lowers your cholesterol, because it keeps you from eating bacon and eggs. That's how you chumps were you in that city itself was was attacked because they only Seti twenty P, which is not much of a study. It isn't an the people who were on the Oprah diet were eating twenty percent more fat, then the control, it was a terrible study, almost like they wanted to take o Brien down a peg near

really well, basically, the science reporting in May newspapers and in the new services reported brain was the greatest thing ever and then they suddenly turned on it and said o Brien is nothing and everybody drop, though plan in the. If, if you read the stuff today it's true. O Brien really does lower cholesterol sure, but it has got over hyped right because of the eighties. That's the eighty Soria yup, that's food, feds may anything else. I gonna find out all right man. Well, if you ought to know more about food fared, you can take. Those words into the search bar has therefore excite comes near. The search bar I gotta, get much stuff. Just look elsewhere, but still it since I that is sent for listener. Mail, all this immense response, and I would like to say that we got many many of great

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