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we're doing it. You know cause with We ve, never really onboard people, because Wooden David Edward colleagues of arms from the house, four days right so thought. Maybe you know we'd give someone an article about it. I mean sort of his try out, but just to make sure that it was a good fit in Libya killed it right out of the block and she's super talented as a writer and obviously very smart and greater research and like a noble speaking for both of his words, there excited to have Libya on board and yeah. So thanks Libya allotted to the to the family, welcome aboard Livia? Did you high school Lydia now being done to email or say: hey. I didn't know you were riding for study, should now them yeah, but this kind of fun when I think is a first assignment do for her, because it's a little bit Bread and then it was it is one really.

Deep dive on one single thing: great: what she's gonna bomb that when we get the next one, But this is actually three things in one, had. The idea of the court's deny but then I wasn't gonna want. Maybe that's not quite but I want to do this a Shorty, so I thought was expanded and talk about bailiffs Court stenography and court sketch artists, the the triumvirate yeah. That's what we're going the unsung heroes of the courtroom, because there there but you know, you're not really, ideally, they're doing their job right and they're, not us many bale of uniting in another. There is pretty much true they're kind of mental, kind of blend into the background is the judge who wants all the attention? Usually sometimes the lawyers occasionally It is sometimes a lawyers, please even avail of its super busy doing things.

Their dinner, not show known him saying now. Their knowledge in their Gunnar anything or be lighter hurry up boring. That would be bad, but are the least exciting, though, so I think we should start with them. Ok, so bailiffs, it turns out, find their heritage. Yoke goes back many many centuries, Chile and they apparently originally started out in the UK as kind of legal overseers of a manor house for a feudal. Lord basically can approach, he managers, yeah they could collect. Read today, would sometimes do some occur, meaning they could collect. Fines. Think a little later on when they were brought into the court system, but it was still sort of doing like sheriff. He things right

so that I saw Chuck shook was the Bailey in France, where they were much more involved in courts and actually have more power. They were more of a government official then just like somebody who served a feudal. Lord and that's where this it's weird almost like between Medieval England, a mediaeval France between these two interpretations of what a bailiff was. It got all mixed together, shaken up some fell off in some such stick around and then you said. Okay. Now we have the bailiff as we understand it today, right, which is kind of what we're going to concentrate on is that the good old fashion american bailiff sitting in the core eaten apple pie ready to jump in there and someone skull, open or and the judge a key piece of evidence or arrest. Somebody yeah, because a bailiff, too is as far as people in Amerika. If you're in the UK, you, like, I note a bailiff visit, somebody who there's a

or bailiff furthers eviction, bailiff, who deals with travellers who won't leave that not really our understanding, a bailiff in the United States in the United States, we think of them almost exclusively as a officer of the court who is a most people's opinion, the the security for the court like they were gone. They were a badge there very frequently like a share step, ear of a federal marshal or something like that. But apparently there's way more their jobs, and just that I had no idea about like I really thought they were just there to stand up and look menacing. That was there their purpose yeah there, about eighteen thousand and change in the United States. Interestingly, it's not a sound official title, its disorder Lydia says a colloquial terms for someone who does this job, but you dont get titled bailiff, they deserve they just call you bailiff, like you, can be a part time basis

small town, but also be a marshall or share stepping is your main job yeah even in NAM, in big cities. That can be the case as well, but but you, I think, you're you're, you're, you're dead we in the smaller area, more rural area, whether say less court activity there can be like this is not big enough of a job, for you need to do more, even pull your weight more than this. The right to go back to the idea that narrow assistant I deliver the paper. Do you love bathing in Dover, air traffic? So some of the other jobs, a bailiff has that I was unaware of you, said something them handling evidence if you're dead, with evidence in the court. You do not just handed to the judge you handed to the bailiff in the bailiff hands to the judge, though, is a big one realize the eighty, the murder weapon in IRAN at the judge of that either in the males as guy.

Equally another one that I did know but didn't realize. I new is that the bailiff is usually the pursue swears in a witness making I swear an oath on the Bible or the constitution, or something like that, depending on whether you're in a red state or a blue state. You know what I mean. Yeah they're gonna, assured the jury in and out. They're gonna ushered the prisoners in and out, You know a lot of times for these big trials that have no, you know a few bailiffs working the room. They tell people do not smoke, they tell people, They screen people when they come into the court room. They had to. You know You can't yell out loud. You can't do that. Not in this court, like the judge is going to admonish them, but then the judge is going to the bailiff in the bailiff scan the Santa with that look means right, yeah guess a good bail. Doesn't even need to wag their finger like to convey tumblr. They can to shoot a look and you know exactly what you're not supposed to be doing any more solidity debts research on on the web, the kind of broke down the you know like what makes for a good bailiff,

if you're looking to do this is a job and they'd declassified? It is highly social, with constant tact with others, including unpleasant, an angry people and physically aggressive people. So you're, not the muscle, but your definitely the muscle, exactly which means you're also providing security to not just notice the courtroom, but for like functions of the courts. The like of the jury sequestered your job, Bailiff is to be one of the people, guarding them you're, also kind of in charge of guarding the jury against themselves so like if the jury's not supposed to be discussing the case, search at some point, you're supposed to be there, making sure that they dont discuss the case that look yeah that look you just basically making sure everybody's following the rules as much as possible that and I thought this is pretty interesting kind of going back to the the feudal. Lord time, bailiff still in the United States can be responsible for evicting people, not just in

when I saw there was Michigan and Ohio and I think Washington State all using airlift still, whereas other places you sheriffs deputies but then confusingly in some places a bail, a visa, sheriffs deputy. Would you get paid for doing this underground? Easy, not quite it depends state governments pay much more there's a median of almost sixty nine. And a year which is not bad if you on a local level, maybe forty, two grand for being a bailiff. What I didn't understand- and I didn't get a chance to look as, if that, on top of your salary, as a Marshall or a young, assures deputy, or something like that. It wouldn't surprise me if you part time the bailiff, if it might be more of an hourly thing mercy, but at an I'm just guessing there, but not ninos bad scratch, fur highschool graduate or to get your g. That's enough to be a good living. You can.

The degree in criminal justice I saw where and we'll talk about celebrity Veloz here in a SEC but Judge Judy's, bailiff Petri to Petri, Hawkins, Byrd or Petri, I have never watched the second. A judge Judy deny any point to pray, my life, so I don't know, but I'm going with Hawkins Bird he had a. He had a b has a criminal justice degree, so he's legit right, oh well, I mean, let's talk about celebrity bail. Because there's basically to that come to mind, wound was Petrie. Petrie, Hawkins Bird. There was never seen it either. Judge duties bailiff for twenty five seasons of, Judge Duty and I read of like a really sad but article so apparently Judge duty ran her course on CBS. I canceled instead, I'm going over to, I am be tv Grimed, be tv yet which had a note

No, I don't think anybody they serve as a good move, judge, jury She didn't ask her bailiff of twenty five years to come to her, show and apparently didn't talk about it at all, and she had announced that she was doing the show. Before the end of her twenty four seasons of the film, the entire twenty fifth season. Together- and she just never mentioned it- that she was starting, this other show and he was invited. So his feelings were deafening. And I think he was a little bewildered and sad and I think fellow betrayed by that yeah. I saw that too. I saw The reason she gave was that they can afford your salary and He said war. No one even talk to me about it. I probably would have taken less, but it wasn't offered any, They said it in twenty five year. She never like invited me to one celebrity shindig or one like social lunch. I was right yeah, but

ed, but I wish her well in it, and you know he did want to drag her through the Maria noise class. He basically say like we are professional colleagues, we weren't friends and she was like I'm just moving on with a new Caston. It is what it So he said, I never watched it. What I did watch light as a ten to twelve year old was the people's court, I don't know why. I love that show on right after school and I want me, a lot of Judge Wagner and a lot of rusty barrel is bailiff in rusty barreaux, his the first slippery bailiff, and by far the most prolific, celebrity bailiff of all time. Oh yeah, he actually was a real bailiff in court for LOS Angeles county. So is a bird. Oh yeah Bert you're right, you're right, he was for Manhattan. That's how you can judge duty. Was they worked in an actual court together before she had a tv show,

Rusty, Burrell, worked in LA county courts actually guarded the courtroom during the Manson trial. He was legit, but he became the the celebrity bailiff on divorce court first from nineteen, fifty seven and one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine- and it just so happened that. With a lawyer by the last lack of water during that time on that show and that lawyer wapner would go on to have a son named Judge Joseph Ay Wapner, who had become the people's court, judge right that's right and they work together on people's court and then judge Waters, animal court and he said most prolific I'll. Do the math real, quick. Cause bird was in twenty five years, but it looks like twenty six years for rusty. Oh, I was clear on divorce court twelve on people's court in it by that animal court that pushed him over the edge was at the shark that gotcha

I don't know I mean it was two years. I bet it wasn't very good, but they count two more years so one more year than bird yeah, currently Waldner. One point in interviews: said when they originally doing the people's court. Casting the executive producer said that we wanted to sex Gimme a sexy girl, as the bailiff the waters. I now, let's, let's use this real bailiff who, at my dad, worked with yeah and he did in the rest, is history to take a break. We should really take a break everybody and not keep you in suspense are going to come back and talk about court. Reporters,

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visit one hundred flowers, dot com flash tune in that's one hundred flowers, dot com flash tune in Orange shook suit. Core report are you said Eric bailiffs where the least interesting, so reporters are the most interesting d. I think court reporters in school It is definitely interesting to me, but boy. I love this court reporting section. I thought it was super interesting, the machinery and the history, and that is the fact that their play a real civic duty, in recording history and that's one of the first points Libya makes is in neo Babylonian Mesopotamia, they kept legal records on clay tablets in these weren't. Just like

So I know what happened in this court case. It was, but it was recalled. History like it was recording precedent and all itself was really. Orton from the beginning, yeah food for the Mesopotamia the Babylonians they weren't saying like quickly to preserve this. This amazing verdict about this lane dispute for posterity like this is how I like on clay tablet was how somebody I could prove that no, my family on this land, it was decided back in five, fifty five b c and my family on this land look of a uniform tablet. Com the hand, truck and I'll be right back right exactly, but the the it just turned out that that they kept such meticulous records. And they survived. We figured out how to wreak uniform that that that we learned a lot about the Babylonians and in how they d with law in agriculture

and land disputes in traditions and customs, and all that thinks so writing that down through legal documents- and we actually understand, what about a lot of things based on core document, do you remember? We were talking about the Salem which Charles NET episode and we were saying like we, We understand it very much because it was extensively documented, but it was documented through court cases in there's just certain ways that you prince Facts and information when you're documenting it through a court record. That's just not the same doesn't give you the full picture compared to. You know rounding out with journals and diaries and stuff like that, but it still way. Why better than nothing. But what struck me as weird Chuck is that the idea of, recording stuff like that, which seems like, oh, of course, you're going to do that it got lost for awhile. Yeah here in the United States during the colonial period, they were. You mentioned diaries and stuff, that's kind of what they relied on was

You know whenever a lawyer or a judge might happen to keep personal note books about stuff. They would use that, but they didn't officially decree, like This is something we need to do. I think it was the Earl. Eighteen, hundreds that they said This is a problem when we can't just rely on whoever happens to wanna, take notes and save them just you need to start writing your verdicts down on paper. At least to say them out loud, and the judge like the probably because just didn't really feel like doing that is, gave rise, actual court reporting yet think about this chick. You know how like impact attic like older men are when they're just think just know, they're right. Like think about that, cluster that would arise when some judge just knew. He remembered a verdict, correctly is totally wrong. That was this. Eight of the early american court system before they find,

like the beginning of the nineteenth century, when they finally said no, we need to write the stout like, if you put yourself in situ and I can't imagine how many terrible outcomes there were from that area things at an one forward, Massachusetts, finally, an a law. That said, the governor has the authority to appoint one quote: learn it in the law to obtain true and authentic reports of the of the decisions in one thousand eight hundred and seventeen was when Congress finally passed a law saying the Supreme Court at the very least, has to have an official court reporter get on that to something I didn't realize I was pretty interesting is that before that people did document, court reports is particularly of the Supreme Court, but they were just like freelance: most who showed up and sat there and documented themselves to turn around and sell to have ever wanted deck. That kind of information knows a gum it was Willy nilly, I think, is the term for that.

Man ask. You would want to buy that penal law, schools, attorneys, Bobby's, constables, Bayliss, bailiffs, Belize, so finally, finally, at the end of the nineteenth century, everybody's, like I or on board with this idea about, were actually recording the decisions of the court and let's go a little further. Listen, let's record every single minute detail down to join cheers down to somebody sitting quietly when asked a question and that's where court reporting was actually born was in the end of the nineteenth century, eighteen. Ninety nine was in the national shorthand. Reporters Association was formed and I think this is one of the region spoke to me a little bit because I took a course in high school called speed Well, there we go feed writing type typing in Cameroon.

Things on his classes that that do you know that you spend time doing three different things: how matters without a dancing a cheque book. That was in there that class manually speed was on nobody. Did they come at a better too? wasn't it wasn't a fish shorthand as we're about to talk about what was it the kind of shorthand, though in funny thing. I remember from that class. I don't think I should say her name is my old friend she, probably think it's funny and wouldn't care, but I won't say your name, but she said next mean class and we and always cut up. She did not learn She learned the short him, but not such that she could take the test, which was basically you just dictate things you write in shorthand and then transcribe it back in long form. But she was really really fast at writing

So she would write it all in regular, longhand and then take the time to train I have two short hand while and then turn them in reverse order. That is in the gallery. Once in a while, she got busted there. Now Nicholas cheating that always feel bad for my unnamed friend yeah really fast and account for some yeah. I mean was it she should have gotten and aid for effort at least be yes, she went back and transcribed at using a book. That's that's cheating chuck. There were no trees, a book. I will then she ass. She should again in a She just needed more time. It's like, if you were an edge in class, and you had to just write down in italy- what they were saying in German, writing the german first and then taking your time to transcribe it. Yet I go you're saying for sure, and I dispute the teacher having those notebook involved, but hand, is fascinating to me and a very long history. Going back to Sis Rose,

slaved servant Marcus Julius terror. In sixty three b c e developed a latin shorthand became. Known as Turanian notes and these symbols heroic four thousand symbols and they you know, is basically the earliest version of shorthand yeah medieval monks got a hold of it and turned it into thirteen thousand symbols. Of course, they did so yeah. I guess they had a lot of time on their money time and there's like out. A real value in developing shorthand, so there is also a short shorthand systems that were developed over the time. But as far as court reporting goes, it wasn t a guy named John Robert Gregg, got into the mix in the late nineteenth century and he device a Gregg method of short handwriting that was so useful in so popular. He actually open schools round the country s arm described as it takes

even where? Basically, if you were a secretary, if you were involved in anything that that that involve transcribing or taking dictation or any job like that. You basically could not get the job until you had a Gregg certain certificate, and so you had to go pay to take those classes in betraying I get. It was, the way it was and then along came miles, Bartholomew, who basically ruined everything for John Rubber Kragan his heirs. No, not so you would think the court reporter miles Bartholomew by inventing the first steno type machine would have made. Speed rotting in shorthand go the way of the dodo, but that did not happen Libya points out very stuteley that today there are still some court reporters who do, pen and paper short and and ostensibly causes yes, we'll see it's really hard to learn how to master that machine. And if you really get a shorthand and you can

two hundred words a minute using shorthand, then just kept plenty, ends and paper and go out here. If you, two hundred words, many you're, probably generally keeping up but from the demography machines or the statue, is what they're called machine shorthand like you can. If you know what you're doing you can do three hundred words a minute. That's when you're doing like some high quality court reporting work get a feeling that the pen and paper might be some of these small town courts. There You know what I mean yeah they, their bailiff, is due in all sorts of other job corps of border. This has pen on paper. That's a giant mass. Basically in these might be that it makes sense, you know, and before we move on to the tonight, we do need to shut out the that weird gas mask looking thing that you see sometimes Steno Mass yeah and that's the thing that you speak into, but they can't hear you speaking

and it records. You know record records using the real words get my theme. Issue that is now, even though the shape or the look of the mask it's the color of the material they use. It always is weird: nickel medical tan color Have you heard of yellow or blue This is a job that I thought we might be fun as a retirement job for me, but I would not be able to do it without my own commentary, so it would just be a very low voice. So I can, And you know this attorney objects got this guy again, seize all that are mainly languages, man, the out of the Greek and anything you can do that. I think you just need to say what people are saying. Well, that's it! went in and of itself, it depends so I was looking into those steno masks and I was like so how does this work so? actually when you're wearing that mask is part part muffler part silencer, like the people around. You can't hear you that's why that Massey Sober

but all you're doing is restating with the people. Are you you're doing vocal commentary? I don't want to kill me, not ok That makes sense, but then you're like wait a minute. Are there like transcriptions? Yes, that means that you have to go back, listen to what you recorded type it up as you're listening and turn it into clean transcript. So your basically doubling the work with the Steno steno mask. Oh, I thought had. I thought it was a machine that just did it for you now it does, but where wells invented that thing in the more war to it did not have that Michel. Although it was a really clergy process that a lot of time, but the reason they did it is because so highly accurate in it can produce. So many like comments, indeed sales in observations that you might just miss that if you were typing or writing shorthand right. So is a lot of effort, but it seemed to be worth the effort

Libya found a court reporter from Cleveland Name, Title Petersen who wrote some stuff. I pleasing, as are its person, does a Petersen and concerns personally to us, but he said basically, you know if you're just a regular person. They speak it about a hundred eighty words a minute, but then he, a multiple people speaking give people talking over each other, by interrupting each other. It can get two three hundred actual words a minute and if you're, one of them typist around you max out it when those in the low one hundreds, basically you are set to say who is speaking to the name, the person you're in there for me eight to ten hours at a time and in its little job. This machine is crazy piece of machinery because it doesn't it's not like a little tiny typewriter. It is twenty two blank keys, in a blank number bar

You are playing it the piano, basically you not say you're, not spelling out words, one letter at the time, you're doing it all at the same time and its interests miracle how anyone ever learn how to use this thing, yet that that the hundred and wait. A minute typist is using a Corti keyboard like you and I use on our computers and apparently because the rate of speech is one hundred and eighty words per minute. That means that, if you're typing on a normal keyboard, you start to fall behind at the fur after the first ten seconds, and you just go ahead and further behind right. We can't do with that machine, your time out this democracy machine with just twenty two keys in there like them or by the way that set up is you ve got the beginning. Consonant sounds that being worked on the left hand, the left side on your right hand on the right side. Are the ending continent sounds

in the middle are the syllables or the law, the vowels, that that you use your thumb to type they go in the middle, the words. So that means because the placement of the keys, you can press all these these keys at once and come pose a word all at once, rather than one letter at a time limit to how fast your typing inequality, keyboard, you're, still ultimate typing wine lighter at a time with a stenographer machine. You typing in entire word all at once. Basically, yes in that's why, in a court room, they can ask for the substance, refer to read back the court poorer to read back. Something has just been said which has been used in countless tv, comedies and movie comedies throughout history. It's always a great gag when something dumb happen, in court and the court reporter the very best. Its own reads back. What has just happened here like airily carefully

to a camera with the joke was, but I know there is what did they do it in that? I'm sure they did at the time it's been a million movies, it's one of the great jokes, so one other thing They ve done is said. They said. Okay, the Phonography machine is amazing and the people who who use these things and can type three hundred plus words a minute r r magical human beings. They are by them. We now have technology, they can make these things even more outstanding, and that is that, while you're typing, and apparently, by the way people who are typing, who are masters of his demography machine? They can they type with, like ninety nine percent accuracy at three hundred words, a minute took his fame attic. So they have these things plugged in now to a computer. That's basically adding time stamps, putting the person's name after like next, Sir, whose speaking at any given point and then they take that in transfer they send it out.

Real time live feed to like the judges, computer, the lawyers, computers, I'm so that everybody who needs one in the courtroom sees it the transcript as its happening. Basically, almost entirely in real time critical. It is pretty and then the one last thumb technology I saw a is that they have a speech to tax, so that now, finally, those steno masks are act. The valuable tool- and I believe, the shortening the come back. You had those on your phone yeah. Basically, but you just need us a muffler silencer mass to attach to your phone in you be you'd, be right. Therefore, a court porter yeah that those were remarkably accurate on the phone. I found yeah pretty pretty interesting, but there are some things where they kind of lack like if are, if you weren't, using just the court report. Some some parently some courts have said, was to set up some microphone

in the court and have an ay. I transcribed, listen and just not, you know, take the court reporter out of the whole thing in the Senate, Mascot get rid of their ugly sent a mask. And they found that the ai I cant do things like understand accents, especially if it's a thick accent when people talk over each other just throws its hands up If, if you want, if you ask any, I too want to read it back. That can be a problem or the a. I can ask you to repeat yourself: that's another one too. So, if you are a court reporter you're, getting me make in should be three Hundred thousand dollars a year should be free. Vs me, children, machine because it takes, is this you know. Is it depends on how faster alert you are, but Mr Persson says six months to learn those keystrokes another couple years, to really get good at it by that has allotted I'm put in.

The median pay is about six one grand as of May twenty twenty, so give little side hustle go on doing depots, Haiti though I think most of his usually video recordings as my friend as that for a living, but sixty one and should be more Muslims in about thirty, both Albert they video recordings em, but sure they have transcripts of causes so much easier to scan transcript. If I were you looking for how much to his riches video national court reporter honor, that's interesting, probably depends on the again the size of the case and how much money can throw at great cost dough yeah, I can imagine there is one person we should mention that I can feel bad There is one part of this I did find funny. There was a New York State Supreme Court court reporter was, it is, will even name who had a drinking problem in it, screwed up pretty bad

the few trials, and it's not funny because he had a drinking problem, the only Funny where it is. I can imagine them. Reading the transcript, backed at some point when he did ITALY typed. I hate my job. I hate my job over over and over apparently like he did this and some really important trials liked. He just didn't take notes for a couple of days and some of them, and so now some guilty verdicts have been up for grabs and they had Chuck. They had reconstruction Things were the judge, brought the lawyers and the defendants at everybody back in and said. Okay, who remembers what about this, because we're missing some really important parts of the record, and we need to try to recreate it well, and the thing that struck me too was in this den in York, posts article on they interviewed his Ex wife, and she said it was that job that caused him to start drinking the first place and unlike a man because I had to tell you, I can't

of too many more stressful jobs, they dont involved in actual human life in your hands like say like a heart, surgeon or something, then a court reporter unique game in the pressure get everything right, not miss anything not fall behind in stalemate for eight hours at a stretch. You know every that you're working that that sounds like a very high pressure. John, I don't know, I think that thing that that account you set of what they was another insider account was. It seemed a little more zen to me than that, because what they he talked about. Was here but not listening, yeah. So you can't, I have to go into this future state. Almost. Where your hearing words but you're, not listening is if you're in a conversation with someone, has then your investing even if you're not trying to your probably of investing emotionally and that'll, get out of your rhythm you just after you just have to hear.

And let the words flow through your fingers. Yeah yeah, pretty interesting, I think it is like is anything, but it takes a certain kind of person for sure yeah and I'm sure, I'm sure not all of them can do with the. That would probably be the ideal way to do it for sure artless take our last. And we're gonna come back and talk about the scrappy little sketch artist right after this don't let stress where you down in the year building greater planet business with our big and a beer sale joy for his window, a downturn. Those above cancel any time now, the December thirty first in the year on the right or left point with tons of writing a space in our sweetie clean Aspasia Clubs and use a crowd meter in our have to pick the best under visit joy for just one dollar down ten dollars a month answer any time in club online or honour at deal. Has this ever thirty four,

join now at your local Glover online at planet, witness Nikon hurry deal it's Friday December. Thirty first seek lover details or I'd. Sketch artists are maybe the most unsung, because there aren't many of them. I was starting to think about court sketch artists in you, you don't have them for every trials, not like a bailiff or inaugural stenographer, you only sketch artist in there when it's something the media is interested in right, yeah and there's only so many of those trials, there's only so many big cities where those trials might be taking place. So there aren't that many artists, anymore, that are working now. And yet the sketches that are produced through not ordered by the courts are not part of the court record. They

existing too for the media to have some sort of visual information to accompany reports of like court cases, which makes sense, but I never really thought about that before and that's it and it started because there weren't cameras, eighteen, fifty nine. John Brown trial in Virginia, and there was a national magazine that sent illustrators to cover this, and that was kind of where the whole thing started When cameras did come around, they put him in the courtroom. The trial of the century, the first trial, the century, the limber baby, laughing with Bruno Hauptmann in nineteen. Thirty five was chaos with those huge cameras in full shhh bulbs, court reporter nub photographers dislike the apparently climbing on tables to get good shots. It was just the zoo in their. So he said he could even get a fair trial because it is camera people and even though that argument didn't work the ABS said you know what no more cameras courtrooms generally

the American BAR association. So they don't. They can't lay down the law, but usually I mean some are telling US and sometimes there's cameras in a way which the J trial, but most you're gonna see a sketch come out on the five o clock NEWS: yeah, a member because the ABA said there shouldn't be cameras, the court room, a lot of states and the federal government's a dear you're, absolutely right, and so that actually was one of those rare instances where, like the predecessor came back in style. And yet I guess in the sick These tv news was not a huge thing until the civil rights era in two, The assassination of J F K and the ensuing exacerbation jack, Ruby egg. The sixties is kind of supercharged the reason for there to be tv news, and they did the people who

doing the news needed like if they can get cameras in the courtroom, they still needed some visual, and so that gave like a real boost is take courtroom. Sketch artists as well. You think that ruby, trial, domain, name, Howard, Brody, very famously sketch that one and he went on to do are of K and Emily case assassinations. Then those Manning Bill Robles has done some pretty famous ones, and I like his stuff he did the Manson trial and if you look at those sketches online, he can, has aroused Stedman quality to him. Oh yeah yeah, it's pretty cool stuff, the as that, though guy who did the Manson leaping at the judge? Yes, so so yet, so that I think there are Coreham sketch ardor set of kind of made names for themselves, especially among the media, but what they will do is sit there and in need of dry.

Ah, the sea in a court. Believe it or not it's what the sketch artists are doing, all they do is sit around and draw, but there, but it's it's harder than it sounds because very free, Finally, there are there's not a lot of visual action. Going on in, like the courtroom to very it's, not rare, necessarily but It's not happening every moment, so there Charles Manson to always be jumping over table exactly so that the core of the court's sketch artist has to basically have a real I for nuance in facial expression and in to figure out how to capture visually a subtle exchange who's that can maybe change the momentum of a court case or something like that and then present it. Then they have to do it in a way that looks good and they have to do it quickly and then, when their done, they have to run out or up until probably the last few decades they had arrived outside in the tv news. Crews would film the the sketches that they made for that day for the evening news

yeah. You know they don't have a specialty like the stenographer does or a special place to stand. I mean, I think so. Words. They accommodate them as best they can. I think there was this one we call for mental floss, where one of the three hundred there's Vicki Ellen Berringer said that they would give her a place set. Sometimes in the jury Box if there was room, but so naturally, now there with everyone else in Europe. You know you have some of the big giant head in front of you. You gotta get a really work the fly in what you said, work fast I mention it's not a whole lot of people doing it. I think Roy was interviewed, like through four years ago, said he's working life, but he's just one of two. In LOS Angeles so, and I thought that astounding, but again, if you think about the media covered trials are just aren't that many I'm, so you don't need hundreds and

Thousands of sketch artist around the country, a just to pick up work. Sketch artists are becoming bailiffs. The bailiff get the gun in one hand and getting on the other stuff and stuff out there. So one of the places you can work if you're a reliable schedule, just as by drawing the Supreme Court Cuz, you just aren't to get a camera in their like aimed. Since two empire news familiar with Nina Totenberg birds like play by play of Supreme Court arguments in discussions and she's kind of like of verbal sketch artists but the point is you there's not any media allowed in the Supreme Court King s just today, with the abortion proceedings. I was looking at pictures. I saw some night at this, charges. It was probably done. By Arthur lean.

Arthur may be the only person to him for the Supreme Court, but an area that He does this go to blog and four indices. So maybe they probably more than one in four something this big, but apparently it's quarters of rail or I'm sorry, sketch artists have We said this lot easier to draw someone like Charles Manson than it is to draw I'm just sort of normal, looking Norman like, like or no like Tom Brady or something like that. Yeah very famous Jane Rosenberg Sketch Tom here Tom Brady and was a dumb berringer during the flight gate dad proceedings in an oath Tom Brady is today Leah handsome person, and he looked at,

little bit like lurch. Yeah arena became a meme, and that was pretty funny. The best one I saw the vest me myself was that sketch of Tom Brady photoshopped onto the hunchback from Hunchback another day, the Disney movie really killed a perfect he'd have fit for a lot of pressure that she did. The others best when I saw was that Schedule Tom Brady's head on the potato Jesus mean right right, if it pretty well to the full a little thing here that Libya found much of that was pretty great and a testament to how good work that she's doing for so far, but she she found that they sometimes attorneys in this doesn't surprise me they will buy some of these sketches. I guess sometimes either if it's a fake case early in their career, and you know that frame. So you know this, I think, is a sort of this assembly Alex thing cuz there they are, even though they have different styles. You can always tell the courtroom sketch. Oh you're going to have a frame decorum sketch of yourself to me. Finally make it

an attorney is probably pretty big deal. Yes, persevere, standing and pointing at the accused, yeah Billy dramatic, like that sure I've always why It's the Wall Street Journal to do a piece on us, so we can get a drawing of us like that. That's really like em, easily recognisable type or drawing to Yale totally come on. Whilst we earn. You know men magazine, Amy and its defunct chuck. I now but nicotine, SK as to draw Brigham unheard tired, but more Drucker, I think he passed away but to be drawn by more drugs would be pretty amazing. Ory I'd take checked Avis too. He did the easier football guy in the seventies thou. That's right! I got that the cook bottle on my barston agar, maybe someday. Book Commemorative Coke bottle oil since checks a commemorative coke bottle. I think that's it, which means it's time for listen remain Everybody

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