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of Iheart Radio and welcome the podcasting Josh Clerk in Theirs Charles to be checked brine over there. and you put the two of us together put it lead on the jar. Maybe poke some holes in the top fur but a blade of grass, and there may be some cotton ballsy up cannonballs with some worthy used to knock knock things the compounds, no formaldehyde sure- and you got stuff- you should know Did you know that, seen from eighty and worse, we brings the frogs back to life, liberates the frogs right, yeah yeah, and I think he like kisses a girl, because it he's watching like a soap opera nor romance move

I can't remember but great it is a good movie. I saw it not so long ago- and I am likewise is really good. They also like the whole free range. Kids thing man, those were the d, yeah. I mean we're on the border of showing that to my daughter, whose you have like five and one slash two and Emily. It's like he thinks he's ready for Ets said. Well, I mean when, when do we want to see the Satis Movie ever that's gonna. The question is just rather heartbreaking. Yeah you should shore e the first minutes of Bambi. The first twenty minutes of up all right. All right. I want after each other in some horrible may. Actually, oh, she can handle the first part of up. She can handily t I'll bet. I can't hear I know what I'm saying, I think the only get the harder it is. Gonna agreed, Zog and little update on some other way, cables here and I posted to the stuff. You know army page as breaking news yesterday, but

figured the world at large. Should now that, as of yesterday, my friend, I am no longer squatter. Oh, gratulation words over while than the long national nightmares come down here. We walked a check up to I county of residents and buzz delay She came down to the lobby and picked it up. It was the lady who needed as well No, but she was gonna, give it to the person who did need it. Ok, but there does not allowing people in the county building abbot that was it. So it's done. I mean all came from the squatting certain in the squatting episode, which was like ten years old, at least totally alien in his house for a fifteen year yeah, and you had like a little plot of land that you're you had been using in and as we demonstrated in, the episode like you technically had sums weird legal claim to it now chuck I mean

Think I remember seeing like it's not entirely clear that that technique, even works, is just if there is only one or two right yeah. If there is a legal text, that might work, it's that and you proved it right man that some serious long term dedication to that episode well just like correction- I didn't get it through squatters rights, though that really had nothing to do with it. What did it have to do with it had to do with county, red tape and mumbo jumbo in some back taxes- and you know it just takes a mean- it took You probably took five years from the point where we engage The real estate lawyer help us out with it like that's how long it took to cut that red tape. Wow. That's a lot of red tape. When you bring a lawyer in to get a piece, in your squatting on there's a lot of red tape around it. but the lawyer, it wasn't like a tunnel work so that didn't Cosette much money in the bank. Taxes was not that much

so it wasn't like a very expensive affair, but We got it in the nick of time too, because I just found out that Georgia, or is there bearing power? lines in our neighbourhood, and they had contacted the county about that peace. land alike. Put a bunch of equipped why. Last week, wow that is raising a time, Maisie no longer squatter everything's coming up Chuck, today it is no longer squatter and as coming up very soon, but by the time he comes out, you will be half a century old as well, though. to have now happy birthday. Cha. Thank you, man in the eyes of mice, crazy near the big five zero then only comes near once twice: three and in a person's life in a year. Forty guy array, middle age, but if he is like a boy, I'm going down how does it feel not really care on the same person, but its differ.

a number to be reckoned with ways: great mentally media in Algeria, Alice? when a few years and will sillies ok, that's fine. I should probably just as valid to serve fill in the joke. Grave I dug for you in that squatted land as a surprise for your birthday, oh boy, how they say they didn't realize you're having any kind of struggle with fifty bucks. No, it's fine! Just when you see it on paper, it's like a boy, ok, who's that lets because I really didn't feel like going to the trouble filling it back in and when Seed on paper just have been. Writing the dumb, fifty everywhere one guy. We had all these talks because it turns out there episode of biofuel design could have been a little thin, otherwise chuck it's not the most robust episode, but with was

between Shorty and full length. As you know, we will make some hay out of it in its actually one of the things they come. We talked sweet, what's in it a little bit, nor how environmental psychology works episode from October, two thousand nineteen newtonian gay definitely definitely tied together, bye, bye. Philip design is certainly its own thing and if you ve been too, like a restaurant or a hotel or something prepare endemic. I should say- and you saw that they have like some Vines growing on a wall or some succulents growing on a wall or theirs a lot more natural lighting than there used to be or anything like that. You have been in an area where there is some Bio, Philip design going on in there, equally, and we should point out that a lot of this material comes from a gentleman I mean they're there, a handful of people that sort of help pioneer this idea and one of a Miss Stevens, our killer.

who is a very mature revered, professor, at Yale of Social ecology at the Yale School of Forest- which had enough existed gale the area El School, a forestry and environmental studies, and I'm trying to I think you just passed away a few years ago, but November twenty was seventh alnaschar the year, though, yet lookin, for he was a deafening one of the champions of Biofuel design yeah. So I think I get the impression that he was one of the ones who really tried to connect science to that that type of design because there is like it. You know it is extremely trendy right now, like I was saying, but there's a real push toward. You know backing up the assertions that this is actually good for us, this type of rice, good for us with peer reviewed studies, so you know hats off to them for doing that, yeah, I think the best way for years ago, can cover that's a good point. It's one thing to say: please:

the nice in the house. and it's another thing to say, a design concept can actually in of your health and well being which is what we're talking about. Yes, we should say what it s right: yeah, yeah, Philip design is based on the idea that we humans have evolved. have millions and millions of years of evolution behind us and that much Stop evolution took place in a Thou door. Or at least in in deep connection with nature, and it was only recently some people mark the first industrial Revolution in Manchester, as the dividing line, but it was recently that we kind of transition to way from that deep connection with nature that took place on like a daily basis and then resolved we kind of suffered and that biofuel design cease to kind of say Well, we know were already kind of stuck in our buildings were stuck in our work life, but

figure out how to incorporate nature into that that way of living so that we can reconnected. because we really do need it yeah. I think I have seen a couple that is it verify this that say that humans, really spend about ninety percent of their time indoors. Now, in, like you said that there is as far as that is tat goes. That is very, very recent. If you look at it relative tag along humans have been around- you know, yeah yeah I mean so, So there's this idea that if, if we had literally evolved to to gain sustenance. and an ability to thrive from being connected with nature. The converse of that is that, if take people away from that and stick them and highly artificial bill environments like an office building eight or ten hours. five days a week, fifty weeks a year, they're going to start to suffer?

in deteriorate mentally and physically, and that's kind of the basis of this concept is like okay, if you, if we ve, got to work like that, with working more in conjunction with nature, yet and there's a couple, a cool quotes here from you know it's it's nothing new! That people understand that be among nature is, you know a generally sort of work using way to live, but if he could read from The great Ralph Waldo Emerson, almost said, throw you didn't, they were weird pair. You know I mean here which reminds me. I think we have a literary correction on today's episode. I well everything's is coming together. It is but he wrote in eighteen. Forty four seconds series essays- and this is You know the mid eighteen hundreds only as far as the masters of the world, have called in nature to there

can they reached the height of magnificence, and this is the meaning of their hanging? Gardens Villa garden houses, island islands, park, and preserves so he was gonna straight up, saying it in the MID eighteen hundred, let it like we can only peak as people when we are surrounded by nature as much as we can be in that's. Why even back, then I guess they were and to bring the outside and right in camera. Was like right guys in for a long time really care. Of course. Why would even say that you weirdo and then about the mid twentieth century o the captains of industry at the time said. You know, I said Ralph who yet said Mc Nutt says transcendentalists we're going to completely opposite direction and we're going to show just how much we conquered nature. we're gonna do nothing but like straight lines and right angles, and you know, the oil embargo comes along in the seventies, we're going to decree by

from a mandate that buildings have to be so tightly seal, that not a drop of air can possibly escape them in everything be totally artificial, uncontrolled, including lighting and everything and we're going to show that we can make sure we don't even need nature, and then short order within just a few decades. People started be like I can't. I can't live like this. I didn't see anything directly connected to it, but I would hazard a really you know armed air, anecdotal guess, gas that you can try a lot of the weird things that people do like gum mass shootings in office, spaces and workplaces, and things like that too environment a lot more than people have directly have to have traced directly I'll bet. You could agree, it's a total guess, but from

when I can tell that seems to be largely in conjunction with a lot of the depth that people have went to buy a fillip design investigations. So that's fine It could be a factor for sure, there was another gentleman, the sixties name Eric from the sort of introduced, in the. U know, Twentyth century this idea of bio failure, but I think it Edward O Wilson, he's gonna known as the you know, the twin four century Darwin he's a biologist and a writer and a philosopher and an ant specialist. But here book in nineteen eighty four cod by a filler failure, and I think that was where I think it's bio failure. I wouldn't and I in that case, but I am pretty sure that ok, sorry go ahead. I mean a correct worlds: surly another turn now it may be, but either way that was. I think I think he is the person who coined the term that's the first EU, so it actually saw of that

yeah, it's by a failure like for love of life, for love of living things. Basically, I think Edward Wilson deserves his own episode. Using interesting, dude as a boy chuck. I read an anecdote about him as a boy he, can be living in, like I think around. New Orleans wind, the first five It showed up to North America washed ashore. Somehow I think from ballast or something like that from a shift. Ships, ballast and eleven year old boy, he was smart enough to recognise They were something new or different in described them. Scientific, I think he was the first person to describe firing. North America as an eleven year old kid I mean your specialty. In your life, I mean passions, but if your mainly passion is ants, then you're pretty cool in my book yet so this whole. area of biofuel year basically says

we're saying what biofuels design is based on that that humans evolved to get their q who's in their happiness and their well being and our ability to thrive from our natural settings and that Just have like a deep need to connect with nature, and that when we don't bad, things can happen basically to our well being even we don't necessarily put our finger on his being the result of not being connected to nature, but it still it still. Is it still what what the underlying thing is? and apparently biophysics design as far as architecture, an interior design go it finds roots a little more, even even more recently, then Numb, then Edward Wilson actually comes out of the nineties when there is of a movement to change Z. enclosures too. them more naturally, that that's that's where this whole movement of living.

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probably few wagon yeah, I'm pretty sure at the Seattle Z. Right yeah, she's, a graduate student, and this was, I can't believe it the nine by now and not dead, six eyes, not a yes, took a while before we started saying- and this was in every issue- but So a lot as is then you know, would keep a gorilla and a monkey in a cage and he sat up and people like Judah said you know I wanna we make this more like their habitat because they are experiencing zoo coasts are fighting. They're, not social they're, not reproducing that's a big problem in that was born the same idea for humans, which is funny that took so long. from the nineties to can really take hold more with humans, because we call the inhumane rate per annum. But for us I guess it was just fine. Maybe they just didn't see the connection. Yea AIDS they didn't because the the way that they changed

zoo animals enclosures for the better was to make them much more. Like there, natural habitat, and you know The animals that live at the zoo are far more recently removed from their natural habitat. So we can imagine them in a grassland with some trees like a survey, or living among antelope, or something like that? All of these techniques that they brought together to make their there? The is where they lived in zoos, a lot more like the ecosystems that they lived in back home when you, when you think of him, you don't think of us living on savannas grasslands, but that's the very basis of this idea area, Bio failures that that's where we evolved on the savanna, these big. open grassy meadows with lots of trees and probable some water somewhere, trickling by just basically everything any human alive thinks of as an idyllic outdoor place that that's that

setting that we evolved in and that that's the kind of Heaven had that we need to interact with two just as much a zoo animals does, and it's like our technology made us for There that were animals would happen. You don't I'm saying we ve lost their memory, and so I think that's why it wasn't the opposite. Like all, we need to make better habitat for humans and then Give her zoo animals. There was the opposite way rank as we think of ourselves as his animals any longer. The I think thought or natural habitat. Is the building you're gonna exactly so It goes a step further, though, like it's much more than just put in some plants or a fountain. That makes a nice trip sound they really want to get into a sort of the evolutionary aspect of. A thing in that if it was a benefit. Evolution airily overtime over the the millennia, then that's what gonna contribute to the actual health and, well being so, it can't be

had to be an actual thing that really improved us, for you know thousands or millions of years, not just something that may be went away like or like a desert habit. at or something like that. It had to be something in order to for the science to work and we'll get to that something that really contributed as evolved to our well being yeah. So, like again, we combat to that Savannah Hypothesis, which, which means there designing something that kind of seeks to Emily the Savanna will there's lots of high open spaces my have like a really soaring atrium lots of trees that you can just. Put some trees and urge atrium again a bit of a water feature, one of the other big things. It's kinda like a foundation of biofuel design, is it's like you're saying you just put a water feature, put a tree and call it a day like there actually needs to be aw into how these things interact and form a cohesive whole

You would you want to see the forests, not the trees it when you're creating Philip Design, and that that they kind of have to to fit together correctly in it intuitive way, or else that, in a sense that evolved in this vein of its lodged in all of our brains. We'll know like this is Facon it power we won't have a benefit for us and it might even have a negative benefit if it's not done correctly year, like the is to create an indoor ecosystem. That sort of mix the outdoors and a lot of ways like the it. The its bigger than was bigger than the sum of its parts. If you really want the individual a genuine you know improving, in their health and well being and, like I said, not just hate this bank, put up palm tree in the corner right isn't an isn't it nice to Flickr yeah. But I mean that something is better than nothing, but I am sure that the fact that seeing a potted plant in a place like this

give him back in the mid century was not we're you're jarring, like it just looks like yeah. Of course you do that there is this kind of like early trace evidence of like this kind of like a cry for help like her we know that we need something natural in here- even a fake parted plant, to fool us into thinking that that there is some sort of nature here, but Bio, Philip Design, basically says forget your potted plant, like we need, like a whole planning, whole cropping a whole little the like a garden like a glade, something that that looks natural, not just a single plant in a pot in a corner. That's not enough yeah and sort of one of the third tendencies that you have to gauge and interact with this, The idea that bio failure is what is known as a week, biological tenant instead of a hard wired one,

That means, if it's a week when it means that you get to work on it and it has to be nurtured and me no made this- could be employed like instead of No, plant. Wall was very nice, but, what's even better is a hallway lined with plants that you have to literally one through and interact with yeah, like the idea behind this kind of foundational concept. Is that if you're really creating a bite, Philip Glee, designed hum workplace for your employees, You know everything you got into the fire or the atrium where the reception desert is it while the people who come through the doors but when they pass through their entering just a normal office in it, loses all of its impact like that. Receptionists is be work, unlike gangbusters in probably have the best life they possibly could, but everybody else who works here, who just past

is through. The lobby is, is not going to really benefit from. It needs to be kind of constant and it can be ephemeral, I get it can be kind of fleeting or passing by. There needs to be like the constant past. Melody of fleeting an ephemeral contact with nature so that over the core, the entire day, it was virtually constant. It just came in different forms that were kind of fleeting A good example of this is like gum. The shadows of thing changing in the office space as the day progresses. That's ephemeral! That's fleeting bite they're still shadows, even other indifferent places in different sizes and shapes and angles. Throughout the day, the shadow you're still there all day, and they change in that. We feed on that kind of the basis of biofuel design that that has an effect on us, a positive one, to be able to see that during the day yeah and I think the idea to is there's also. You know if you're surround

goodbye or in open a building that employs biofuel design. Europe you're developing an emotional attachment to a place you might not ordinarily develop an attachment to, and I think anyone who's ever walked through just a sort of a standard gross office like we used to work like our office. We haven't been it for a while, but it's kind of cool, because we have this huge. Huge Bank, a windows which is nice and a lot of people, plants which is nice, but we ve been some tat office is over the years, so bad exist straight. Nothing but marble like barely any plants, is GM, bad news and then Bad windows, this is work, is divided up with, like hi hi sidelined how do you delete your understanding, tiptoes, just bad news for sure Fisher, so walking through something like that, and then the experience you have emotionally.

When you're like at a botanical garden and you're walking through a greenhouse site. It's just I mean. Maybe there are people that don't like things like But it's hard to imagine somebody walking one of these lush sort of human, greenhouses! That's diskettes! You know the good ones. It's it's just packed with stuff everywhere and you water running in like plants are brushing up against you. As you move, I don't know many people are just be like. No thank you spiralling out there. For me, I'm sure there people out there and there many people are going to go camping or be in the woods and stuff like that, but say even a lot of those people would enjoy a greenhouse experience rain. I know you order, or at the very least would enjoy prefer a lobby that has that well dine with biofuels designed the one that's a sterile in in you know, norwegian

We gotta think they're gonna, leading the charge alone weirdly. They are for sure, but Chuck I so mean we kind of reach now the reason why a lot of the big tech companies are leading the way in working with an architect. For firms and design firms that are pushing by Philip design on them is that their basically trying to subliminally trick you into liking work right. you'd like they want you to form a place attachment to their offer that you stay there more. You have fewer sixty you do more while you're they are. You just enjoy yourself there and there's really kind of two. ways of looking at big corporations getting into by Philip design one. Is that you're being manipulated to increase productivity like deep, deep manipulated on an evolutionary. Almost genetic level or they

have to be at work anyway and they're trying to make it is pleasant as possible for you right. I guess it just depends on whether you like a glass, half full or half empty kind of person, but those are the two interpretations of huge companies getting into buying design and, and I'm all of them have lay gum, facebooks campus, a Menlo park. The Google Plex Microsoft office in Redman cover Tino apples, big old Dona UFO. All of them have Amazon's offices. I think they're called basis is balls down. Town the earlier, so they column red improvement. Seattle prove me wrong The all of them are designed with biofuels. Design right now here. Think you'd have to be fairly cynical when an effort is made to bring

we're coming helpful environment, be like you see what they're doing here, they're just manipulating me. I see every other who had the girl, you would think that way. You know get it right, some of the ways that you can, I mean they're, sort of indirect indirect ways of doing this. Obviously we talked about plants. Light is a big big one and that that first office we had years ago and bulkhead. Edie. I think that's what you're talking about our cubicle walls were so high. It was like it was stifling no white natural light would come in. I think there are like there offices on the outside Sophia in office, maybe at a window, but other as you are just counting on forest lights, above your head, which are the worst thing. We should do it, Shorty on forests, aligning at some point assure mechanical but

water features are always great. The sounds of running water, the visual of running water. I agree, but I feel like there could be too much like. I think that what this, Sound of water in particular, is supposed to be something that we here in passing her in at a distance. They can think if you just water, trickling all day long kind of loudly, it might drive you a little bit crazy. I think so! That's just my take on it. I would dig it, but you have to you know you might just have to pee too much right now it s only that's definitely part of it. But I, like ours, the sun was to find extremely relaxing. I just think it could be overdone is what I mean took a Bulgaria. like these are the obvious real natural things. The you can bring in open windows occasionally to get like real, fresh air and there. Yet one of the things I saw Chuck was was thumb.

natural ventilation and I'm sorry like this is a bit of a thing to me, like I'm totally fascinated by how this this fits into this. You mean so the idea that that you know that buildings of yesteryear, unfortunately, the hell out of a still work in were sealed off paper finally to make them more energy efficient, but that all the air that passes through is very filtered and artificial, and there's no coming in from the outside biophysical- France has no? No don't do that like go back, Natural ventilation later have lower energy cost. You gonna have pleasant, Bree is blowing through you're gonna have changes in temperature that are much more natural, which sounds good, but in practice well, what about your? What about your computer harboured so I did humidity in the air to right where effect as I can have on all of your employees, computers or the the servers and These men are whatever or

No, what about when it's cold out? Do you leave the doors open like what do about it during the winter time and then also in the spring. What about your employees, who have seasonal allergies? Still good boy like I have like I totally get the need for that, but that is the one part of biofuel design that, unlike this, is the thing that most at odds with with modern office buildings there like like natural air verses, you know artificially treated, Ere, I dont know how their figuring that out and find a lot on, but am fascinated by their own. I wonder if it's more like it's not, fleetly one or the other. Like you have your age system in everything stone. But when the weather agrees you you can open your windows like they're, not hermetically sealed, like most offices, yeah. Ok, I saw that There is a scholar mixed system where you using both in yeah, depends on wind, but but then you know if it's real,

called out or whatever it is. Everybody's have to be like a superficial inside for this in the next few years. And then maybe I'll get my lady and I'm just there's gotta, be a way to conquer that. I think yes, so I mean to me what fastened, me about this whole thing is I've. Always the nature guy, so it's it's obvious to bring in plants in water and stuff like that, I think the. or indirect things are really fascinating. There's this place in Portugal, its I think, they're a bunch of on their called second home. It's a co working space, but this one in Portugal, specifically is well known for having more than two thousand plants this sort of the obvious when, but they also just in, design. They don't have any straight lines in the office here: because there are no straight lines in nature. Rarely they don't have matching office hares and desks, and things like that, because there

variety in nature. So they'll just have like a different chairs everywhere and, like actual they colored fractal complexity, that, you find the nature and different shapes of things, and I don't think that's it thing where someone would walk in and say. Look at all these different office chairs. I feel so alive with great, but I think it's just little thing like that can contribute to the whole as working as a part of, You know emotional and I guess mental ecosystem. Yes, that's exactly point so like gum. What is that its dame who pass to Sir Colored yeah Doktor Keller. Was kind of breaking it down into two things: ones, direct experience of nature and then the stuff you're talking about under the umbrella of indirect experience of nature kind of I am being worked on subliminally by things like or curve shapes in fractal pattern.

or using like stone, stone, flooring, yeah ever lighting and always has been highly artificial carpet or something like that. Our group countertops as a way of evoking nature because it is still granted. It is very kind of carved it in the shape that we, that natural there's lots of straight lines, usually with a granite countertop, but it's still a natural material. It still evokes nature. There's also like using artificial light. That's designed to kind of change throughout the course of the day. that's another way to kind of indirectly experience, nature, just kind of using suggestions and tricks. The stuff you wouldn't put your finger on billing nature, but it still having their vile filling impact on. You Although a lot of what I saw as far as researching is some of the leaders in this. The space kind of say, like you know, not stir artificial, like it is

like real light in this space, as you possibly can from what I saw. That was light. That was like the e number one thing, as is natural light like lightning natural light in yet Other thing that I think is really cool is way finding my cow, a building is laid out as far as you know, usually you're, walking down a straight hall. You turn left. Go down another straight hall, but if they can, nature a little bit more and have hallway that are little more meandering. I mean. Do you gotta? where you need to go upstairs, but It's done in a more natural away like me and or to a central point which might be the oasis or something like that. I think that's really cool way to bring it out here. We talked a lot about then the environmental psychology episode, but we we talked about it from a different perspective where they would use tricks and techniques to keep you

path. Rather than waiting you yonder off to places you weren't supposed to be. That was part of of way finding for sure. But yes, that's a fascinating topic, area like whenever I go to a like a hospital debts really smartly laid out, and you can really hospitals are notorious for people getting last and not be able to find where you need to go in, if you go to one, it has done it right. It's it's really all to think about how much effort goes into that yeah I love that to those one of my favorite part of that episode, and I like this too, but it's just with Bio, Philip design. It's like you know, take a look, by the mud pools and then, when you run into a pack of wild boars turn back around cause, you ve gone too far. Yeah go by the murder pools and say hi to Gary from accountants. It's in those all day, long crazy for the mud pools, we can never get Gary out of their shell. Take a break and talk about the science

I'm just trying to see. If I had any more cause. There is a lot of indirect indirect experiences of nature, but I guess it too. In other words: let's do it This episode is to you by IBM its part choosing between things. We want speedy, but reliable state of the art, but dependable. In other words, you want a hybrid actually, so do tell Coes. That's why they're going hybrid with IBM,

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So it's even more natural gas is a natural material, evoking indifferent part of nature its. Yet you wanna make your employees heads spin with productivity may, cotton ball clouds but those on the wall, it is. It is a little pillow turn your breakdown, very nice So science, this is our when good in can become a Debbie. If you think about it, but tat is their actual science behind this and it appears is that there is in most cases, there's there's been a lot of studies, I found a couple a couple ones not in this article, but one was in twenty eighteen in Denmark, kids, who had been exposed to greenery had fifty five percent less till health problems later in life. The Erika studies in Norway that found that subjects who did reading and attention based has surrounded by plants and greenery improve their scores over time and

There is a lot of talk about. What's called attention restoration theory, which is if yours, during a screen all day, even take in a minute to. stare out a window at a tree can restore you a little bit. I thought it really good analogy for this. If I do say so myself, you know grounding rods that we put into the ground outside of our houses in all of our or electrical appliances, are connected to it in an allows. We'd, we discharge the excess elect. Christy into the groundwork. Dissipates. To think that's kind of what nature does whether its gazing out a window or going out in nature were like unburdening ourselves with all of the just cried that has gathered up and the tension that's gathered from staring at that screen or thinking or over exerting ourselves we are able to disperse it in

nature, natures, a big enough reservoir to accept it and we feel better afterward. I think that's kind. Close to what we're doing. If I wonder for ever going to find a mechanism for how that actually happens, ores the opposite: where were actually depleted and then seeing nature recharge? Is us it's. You know it's two different two different versions, Well, I mean, I think the science does back it up. There was another study from northwestern in twenty thirteen that found that people who works. the natural light more during the work day got an additional forty six minutes of sleep at night. So it's not just like improved work productivity happy feelings. It's like you're, gettin, solid sleep at night yeah I mean like there's just unequivocal unequivocally a lot of science to back it up it, including on a physiological level things like gum there. We we have lower levels of cortisol, our heart rates or lowered. We, we, just generally are physically better off, when we have things like a good

you of nature or where there's breezes or where, especially, I saw were exposed to even indirect sunlight throughout the day. That has an enormous impact on on our sense of well being. As far as things like dieting. Depression goes well, so there's a lot of science to back it up. It's it's! What I saw Canna, how Keller put it is. There seems to be the sum, like architecture and design wants to figure out how to take this idea in package. It so that they can do sell it everywhere as easy as possible. It that's just true withal industry and business whenever them he comes up with a really good idea. They want figure had amassed, produces the american way right and Keller. It was basically saying there is a real danger. In basically

laying this out in establishing exactly how to do this because people just kind of commodity. packaging and they will lose it like you that does it that's not how biofuel design actually works. Instead, here the principles figure out how to make it work in harmony right with a lot of wits, called informational richness, there's a lot going on, but not too much because of its too busy you're too noisy than now. You ve got problems because you have a bunch of distracted, employs or a bunch of distracted customers who ever there's a lot of balance, but these guys, who kind of created this field and then again, backed up a science, can laid out the foundation of it and said now. It's up to you, the designer to figure it out and each different case. Don't try to packages cause you're going to lose this if we are, if we try to commodified interests day, I thought those very happy if it is, but at the same time it's it's really good, I was very wise of him. Do include their inner near. There was

more study dimension, because it's not just in the workplace but recuperate. in the hospital was actually this is can really really help people, impunity, for the National Institutes of Health, published a study that found them though recuperating for surgery, had shorter stays in the hospital overall and needed less pain meds. Even if, just simply they had a garden view as opposed to some other credit. like a brick wall or a parking dear Roger all Rick. We tells him made him in the environmental psychology absurd to. I think, as I was like that, basically laid the groundwork for the science backing up biofuel design was that first we're working people do at home, there's you can do at home. You can get yourself, pull in some wild boars that's a good first step, look out for Gary,

get that really famous banana leaf print wallpaper put it everywhere. You can just some com, balls and some construction paper, one thing that that they figured out there's a company called bright, green dirt him bright, green, they're kind of a leader in the field they You know that one of the things that debt is an element of Philip designers, something called a refuge where you're back is covered are protected, and then you have something overhead can allow overhead so, think about how like, when you're in a restaurant in Europe at a high, backed booth. That's up against a corner. That's like this debate is its best seat in the house, the Mafia, get you write or year, you know you're sitting, you know against with with nothing but like a waller, some shoves or something behind you and there's like an umbrella. CAFE overhead, like a little place, requires far for you. There's advice that you should set up a place,

That is how it could be a high wing backed chair or something by fireplaces, a place where you feel protected, but also very cosy to yeah. I love that idea, kiss I'm not crazy about it, but I always trains. when my back against a wall. If I can, but it's not like you know, I have two worlds of Munich you ve got Georgia power. Looking for you now, so I would definitely watch my back to fire. You, too, another thing to do obviously is plants inside your home, but not just like think about like we, in early about the ecosystem, how these plants work together and groupings of plants. And form a little habitat. If you can, and do a little better research about what plants like each other and pear those nobody's together near the big one-

But yet, even if it is just a couple of plans to start you don't don't wait to stir buying plants and bringing them into your house now and also learn how to take care of you plants, because plants can be really easy to take if you just know what they need in in and you will save a lot of time wives and a lot of time and trouble for yourself the great and then Our view is another easy thing that people can do depending on where you live, if you for some reason covered up. You're outdoor windows with a bookcase moved the bookcase so that you can look out the window. One of the bases of that Savannah hypothesis is that we evolved to relax or be relaxed by. A long range view long long? What's it called. The thousand Marine clear here that feels good

different, but your, but that's why, when you're doing that eurozone out your kind of in ASEAN Trans like state, that's what you're doing this is kind Likewise, when we're looking at our computers or our phones or something that were doing the opposite of that, so having it view. I would call the prospect, as far as a biofuel designers are concerned you really have a refreshing. Restorative effect on us is even physically honour eyeballs. I love it. Yeah I mean it's really when you dig into a u like. Oh, this is actually for real it's hard to read about, because the architecture and design fields or possibly the tumors. Tensions fields, the western world is ever come up with so reading. Writing about architecture and design is really kind of laborious Boeing

when you dig into it. It is, it is backed up in it. Does make a lot of sense? I just hope it's not just surpassing trend. You know that is here to stay here. I think you know we read at our house a couple years. and one thing that we wanted to make sure we allotted enough money for was Windows the of windows and, unfortunately, windows or one of the more expensive things, in a house so My advice to people. If you are redoing your home or something like that, renovating high balls, cotton calls in and try and set aside dough and don't on the windows. If you can and if it means maybe loosen something else, is that that natural light is huge go from a one bathroom, two zero bathroom with more window lot drastic that yeah well, ok, chuck good advice to end the episode on You gonna other vice just one more little interesting thing. If you hear

Land company talk about Bobby. plants will purify the air in your home, that's kind of not true the sound familiarly, yeah, I mean plants are always good for the air, but apparently the Atlantic issued a report that said, if he really to clean the air in its invite input room, you would need like a thousand house plants in there. I think I do effectively cleaning. I saw that the Hague, but it still get a thousand house plants in your term by ten room noticed, learn to live among them, agree its once. They start talking to you, then it's time to go outside right. You got anything else now, nothing else. I promise if you want to know more about biofuels, design, go online, Sir Lucan pictures and maybe go to a local embassy sweets because they ve been doing it in their lobbies for years and to good effect. If you ask me, they shouted out embassy, sweets them into time for listener. Mail

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