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welcome to stop. You should know rouse her for Stockholm work under the podcast Josh clerk chose the reach of bright Leary drove rolling with three of us together get us the talking he gets done after. I am having listened to you right now. I see that the term. What's a thousand stuff with the passion fruit, you know I biscuits and everything I think that's the does your passion for type biscuits, tee thou is that those marketing yet well buzz market. For worse than tee, I guess there may be a local, harrowing dealer who puts event in all in it without telling you have a good look at those Jimmy on the corner trade. We should probably not talk too much about heroin, though Chuck, because I'll bet

this episode, get played in a decent amount of like metal, schools, yeah and I'm glad we got in a couple of jokes early on, because the ghost fishing were rank alongside, like the immense show in the age. I ve shows as the least funny things to talk get is pretty sad. Actually, no one. I really find ways were humor knows. This is really awful and said: well will just take our usual tack worth it if it rears its head well. Well,. Bonnet and shake it around and hold it up very by to see the link that different. I think one of the things it was most depressing depressing depressing to me was the yeah I didn't know about others. Mike

in the mid Fortys, and I'm just learning about this. Well, you know how we learned about your member. First hearing about this we got an email from and I feel like such a heel. We got any mail from a class like a group in a class, I want to say, is probably a middle school class who, Donna Project, a ghost fishing, and they said you know who would want to do in episode on this- is Josh and Chuck so they're, the ones who brought this to our attention, and I cannot find the emails goin. So I'm very sorry, group from class can no longer identify by you guys. If you wrote in to tell us the dual episode about ghost fishing and gave us some sources, the star with you're, the only ones who did so we're talking about you, I think it was MRS Baileys Oceanography Class it that's right, Sherman, Emily Middle School. In

round. Direct taxes, never show a man was all right and our watch that I didn't know is pretty good. I mean it was just basically George Jefferson as a preacher here, which is great yeah. They want the Georgians you go, I can do anything, you know you're Rich Jefferson, as garbage man, Jefferson, as the President George Jefferson S, rescuing sea turtles for ghost fishing, is he saw this so arm, which this is definitely one of the ones we should not to start talking about without defining at first multi able, so no ghost fishing is and sadly like you said before we hit record Jerry eyes. Ass is what we're doing today, and you said ghost fishing with sounds a lot cooler than it is now when I've, when you send it over us, like a ghost fishing herself, had selves really neat, but it's there's no need about now, but it does have a call name agreed here,

technically. The definition is called abandoned, lost or discarded fishing gear yeah, a l de f g, and what this is is professional commercial fishing gear. Then I'm sure there's a small amount of recreational fishing gear, but that's not the real issue share, but commercial fishing gear that is been left out to see. That then goes on to just kill and aim: sea life for hundreds of years, yeah, it's it's awful yeah and it's a real, really big problem like just to give one example: can. I go around the world a little bit later, but just in the North EAST Atlantic there they they found in one fishery. So if you, if you look at a see the entire he's going to have like different fisheries different areas where there are like lots of fish. Typically, yes, in just one of those little spots,

one c in the world. They found something like twenty five thousand nets with this weather estimated twenty five thousand nets totalling about twelve hundred and fifty kilometres length that were lost every year every year. Someone put that into scale right. I did a little Google mapping. Twelve hundred fifty kilometres will get you from New York to Chicago yeah yeah how'd, you big Macs, like a hundred million. They will get you Brisbane the Canberra. Don't no word that second places there is they're both in Austria and then it will also get you a little wander around trip between London, London in Edinburgh, mile yeah. So it's a that's a lot of netting and that's just was lost in that one fishery every year, yeah what we might want to throw out a few of these guys. This is gonna, be

lot of staggering stats, the, U N Environmental Programme unit and the food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations nations. In this a conservative estimate, they said that six hundred and forty thousand tonnes of fishing gear are left in the ocean each year. Guy did another a little bit more googling you ready, then that is equal to five hundred and fifty six thousand five hundred and twenty one Ford yes, it's just don't through the ocean every year by wait it out for advances to sell at your name. I don't know I mean for vs well selling car all around the world survey knows what a forthhere still like a publican pickles. On the road but sure you could to you just know intuitively that that's afford vs

Here's another example Washington State right here in the United States. They did a little clean up job there recently and we'll get to the clean up efforts is, it is happening on a smaller scale hopefully increasing, but in one area they got a wrangled. Eight hundred and seventy ghosts nets in that contained more than thirty two thousand marine animals yeah thirty two thousand- and this is in one part of Washington state- in the end, if you say well, who cares about marine animals? Will everyday included five hundred birds and mammals yeah and we're talking like like big big like Wales, its effects, everything from Wales on down the little tiny fish. These things are just their floating around they get loose. One way or another and they just flowed through the oceans

travel very very long distances and along the way animals get trapped in a moment. The whole point of commercial fishing gear is to trap animals The problem is when you, when their operating correctly there then, and they bring the animals with them and then people eat up meant you can ever that or whatever, but at least their not just completely going to waste, which is the problem with ghost fishing. These things are like loading little islands of death. The tree all manner of sea life and then they just die. One way or another, either very quickly, depending on whether they knew the breed like their marine mammal in they can't surface or their sea turtle, that that, can't feed any longer because it's it's gotta em a net growing around its mouth because he stuck his head through loop when it was a juvenile yeah and set out what's in there. That looks need the mistake my face in it, and now I have a net and then I grow, but

in the net stays there and potentially cuts into my skin and become yet part of me. Like little turtle mothers tell their turtle babies this, like don't for your head through a loop like they, that human mothers, teller, kids, don't stick your amount of a school bus. We think the same thing, guess here's another step. The world Animal Protection Group estimates that getting snared and go skewer kills about a hundred and thirty six thousand seal, see lions and large whales. Ever here yet and then you know some of these animals are already endangered, so any conservation efforts are being at the very least blunted by or stunted I guess, both by you know, these other things going on is to site it's it's a staggering problem the plastics that they use. I mean back in the day they used to actually not

that long ago, nets were made of things it would biodegrade like. Sometimes your cotton or hemp and now you know, as we quote, advance unquote with synthetics. They have these plastics that these things could be out there for five or six hundred years yeah and when they, if they do break up the animals eat that stuff and die yeah. You met her. Are our great Pacific garbage Patch episode from years and years ago, yet factors in future yeah well so a lot of this stuff goes in and is attracted to that that those huge shires out there in the ocean- and we talked about in that episode about how plastic photo degrades when it's just out there in the

and yet the emotion of ocean currents combined with the sun photo degrading. It breaks down into smaller and smaller bit. They become part of the food chain which is not good. You don't want your food chain, eating petroleum based plastic now and that's what commercial fishing gears out of which again is why last so long, hundreds of years, which is what you want you very durable and your fishing gear, but when it gets loose, it's a big problem and, like you said, is a fairly recent problem You because it wasn't that long ago, like you have people were using nets, they degraded a lot a lot easier, yeah, it's as it says in here much resources, but if your sixty years ago, so in the history of fishing, this this synthetic netting is

New right in this isn't just like and we're gonna talk a lot about animals because it sort of that the main problem. But it's an issue to the industry, to like says right here that here in the USA, the estimated that one single ghosts net it's lost or discarded or whatever can kill. Almost twenty thousand dollars worth of Dungeness Crab over a ten year span. Yes just one net right and then there's like you could buy. You could buy seven Ford, Fiesta man. I need some cavity in there. And then there are, you know the small vessels, swollen even larger vessels that can get tangled stuff there divers that can't navigate through the stuff. So there is a bit of a human impact as well right. I think we should take a break the oaks I'm getting hot under the collar, and I will come back and talk about more the stuff ready for this.

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he'll marine animals and theirs it there's a number of different ways and it kind of depends on the animal church. So to start off with, we mention our sea turtle might be like. Oh it's. What's on the other side is loop danger right arm the young seal pups might be doing the same thing, there's a very faint picture of a turtle with the six pack ring yeah man, rowing of seeing that in its shell is normal side. On either side of six Pickering within it looks like it's one of those waste trainer people who How have worn a course for ten years? It's basically the same thing that nylon that's exactly what this commercial India is made out of its made out a plastic nylon or now I'm plastic, and it holds fast and when it, when a turtle gets stuck inner gets stuck around them when their young as they grow it. Basically they have.

Grow around this state yeah. It's not good. That's not good! For your physiology. It's not good for locomotion, you're going to be a stunted little turtle. Grow up like that here they are, I think he mention obviously marine mammals that need to surface they could die within minutes just because there simply trapped. They can be fixated. Like immediately like that or through you know, over the course of months and years, dice slow, awful more off. That's right. They can prevent them from feeding like work. He said if something gets wrapped around their mouth and they literally just can't open your mouth. They will starve

or locomotion can be affected to write. So if you are a slow turtle, yeah you're gonna have trouble going after food and you may starved to death like that is well yeah or you know swimming circles. For the rest, your life right is like one side of her body is entangled right, so you said there there you can kind of breakdown the manner of death in the acute or chronic. One of the sad on coins. They got me was from towing right here, so they say, you're a whale, your decent size mammal. Thank you fears swimmin along and you get a net stuck on. You like, like hell, vast you're, stuck there, you could still. Conceivably, swim along for a while for a very long wild, but now You have basically what amounts to an extra appendage, a ghost net, dragging from you, that's bad enough as it is, because these nets

enormous, like I, was reading about tuna nets. Some tuna fishers use these nets. That fall like seven hundred feet deep and are a mile y yeah. So you get a segment of that. Even this is men have one of those nets on you. It's gonna drag you down, make it harder for you to just move normally, but then, on top of that, that net is probably going to catch other animals, over time, so not only are you driving this net, we also in all the animals who had been caught in that same net and have probably died, and then eventually you just going be able to keep up any longer in you. You do you drown. Yell, I can't imagine a lot of things more just shameful for for human

then seeing a blue whale dragging a hundred foot net full of dead sea animals behind it. Yet until it dies it's pretty bad like you, I couldn't even have conceived as something that awful until he had learned about the stuff. It's last word is Y know: seriously means. I know this is not a son, a happy episode static. It. The other problem is it This is one reason alot of people ever heard of this too. It's like how many more problems can we have the deal where it's just and one more to the pile, and it makes a really hard night just get like like catastrophe fatigued here. You know, but you just you can't

You can't do that. You can't let it happen. You gotta go, take a break shake it off and come back at it with with vigour, or you need to say this one: This one means something to me, you're, so much so that I'm actually going to do something about this are not just gonna like click my tongue, Take my head and keeps going through my twitter feed. I meant to do something about no matter whether it dealing with ghost fishing or feeling climate change or whatever strikes you in their way, go after it yeah. That's that's probably the best thing you can do. Rather than trying to take on everything at once. I totally agreement I also support the idea that lake will. You can't say this is bad when you still do this yeah, though it can all be bad. Yeah like you

you can't not. Everyone can tackle everything. So if you want to be an advocate for for dogs on the street, go do that like his adobe thing would be for people say we don't eat fish, that's for the industry. Right am I. How can you eat? How can you be a dog advocate instilling fish values going on your work

and Hitler, but I say like fine whatever's meaningful to you in trying to effect change. There is much can, but you know. Well, then, you can say: I spent every weekend for the last year, cleaning up ghost fishing nets and saving seal pops what'd you do so. How does this happen, as I think that an enough like with hit people over the head pretty hard with the stuff? I assure you- I mean obese, more stats in here, but I think they get the point. How does this stuff happen- and I am asking us both and I ll go hidden say one thing is sometimes is accidental, sometimes is bad weather and you you have to abandon your gear. Yet there is it.

Two thousand nine United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization report that found that most ghost fishing gear is not intentionally discarded that most of it is accidently lost right, which is good that that makes you feel a little better right, this nice fishermen guy, who cares, cut loose yeah CN hell see, but that that also does happen. It does sadly it's nice to know, that's not the bulk of it right so When its unintentional, when its accident dollar or something like that, an active nature, a lot of times it's just dumb, severe weather like a big storm, comes up in it major lines and all of a sudden, all of your nets are lost and leave me if you're, a commercial fishermen that is about the worsening can happen to you shortly thinking, while you're out you know, church specially,

You're net was already fallen, your reeling it in you lost it because nature yum. That's that's that's bad for everybody Another thing that can happen is one of the bad ones you could be have illegal gear or be fishing illegally. Maybe using a method you shouldn't in a place. You shouldn't be by an you there's what was called enforcement pressure and you abandon your Garrick as you'd want to get in trouble. Yeah you hired out of their basically he's gonna whistle because in doing anything There is also what they call spatial pressure where, if you have some nets floating along. And another boat comes into the area doesn't see. It runs overcome, basically

some loose from the moorings. Then that has just become ghost fishing gear itself here that economic pressure. I dont fully get this. What I would imagine that could mean is you know it would cost us more to go out and retrieve these things. Yes, then, did just go back to the port and get these guys off the clock. That's part That is definitely part of it. I think like if you're, I think more often than not is if your gear is all or an offer whatever, if you take it back to port in your charged a fee for dumping it because it's considered waste right. Like I think, that's the tablets treated in the Netherlands. It makes more sense reaches litter, bright, you're, gonna have to pay to have disposed of properly the world. The sea can take it, cut it loosen, look the other way and go back home and say what fishing gear I don't have anything

wait, so that economic pressure to me we'll talk about later. That is the key to solving ghost fishing. If he asks me yeah, then inroad quickly, like I don't think we said for sure it's not always just nets right, crab pots and traps. That's for sure, fishing line, hooks rope and one that really chase me is packing vein so these bans around bait boxes and stuff. Those are clearly just dump. Oh yeah right tat through this again, that's actually in violation of the United Nations Convention from nineteen. Seventy three that basically was looking do stop pollution from ships, and dumb you're, not supposed to throw anything over the side from those packing bans too,

oil, that you re afraid your french fries in, like nothing, is supposed to go over the side except possibly vision, trails, firm, cleaning, fish, it's called the don't, be a huge jerk convention, the of nineteen. Seventy two, there's a heck of a convention, so some of the indirect person is basically like MAX Fund can convince. I remember that in the Red Rogers split that was the keynote speaker is pretty great yeah, some the indirect costs in and will see here in a bed. One of the biggest biggest problems is like you said when you come back again with maybe unwanted fishing gear and there's nowhere to dispose of it. Just simply, a lack of these facilities at port is a big big problem and that it is at least I can fix it all notes.

In making changing it from being an economic burden on economic incentive right right to bring in your old fishing gear. I think that'll change it, but that's where you decide as a huge power that you need to have places for people. They either take and get money in exchange for their old stuff or at the very least, just throw it in a been somewhere. He had not get charged for it yeah exactly because You know if you, if you know that you can just throwing away right when you get to going to take up that space on your way back in there's a pretty chance that you're not going to litter a mile wide net. You know here, especially in especially if you get money yet another one of the big problems here in this one, article III sent was its. I think you know these. These commercial fishermen are of ice to watch deadliest catch. You know how these guys are their notoriously

stubborn about new technologies or, ironically, it would be a new technology if they try to go back to biodegradable nets right but convincing these, these men and women to add extra expense or add an extra trip the by something that will help the environment it's a hard. So, even though, like du jour costing yourself crab money because, like twenty Grand One, last napkin cost twenty thousand dollars for the crab over ten years, I think they live more in the trip to trip mindset yeah, but I think that their industry as a whole thinks of it. Like the over ten year kind of thing, and so from what I understand. The industry's kind of woken up to this, a little more in is starting to take measures a little then we'll talk about that, but yet is entirely possible that individual fishermen in this kind like

yeah. This one quote in here really kind of drives at home and I've never heard of the phrase tragedy of the commons. But I like it. It says, as with so many tragedy of the commons is the responsibility to act lies with everyone and the incentive with no one, and I kind of drives There's no, like you know how to answer in international waters. There I know one they have made and roads with some of these big commercial companies their little hesitant to get to involve, because all of a sudden there aim is printed in an article, even if they're trying to do the right thing just being associated with this stuff. They don't even want right. You know, even if they're trying to help out a little bit here because can assist one more probable, Moorish Irina Bialik if a company stood up and said so, it's ok

is, is making an effort to now do this, then the flip side is like well. What have you been doing? That's true. I did it take this long here that several nature and so companies or reticence, even get involved. You know yeah, but I think as of two thousand and fifteen. There is a kind of a new initiative that started: that's it bringing more people into the fold and making it safe to join up. I remember the peseta, and there was a Mcdonald's somethin can't remember. The Mcnulty now make peace there was some new sandwich. You suddenly said it's like now made with like real chicken or something those like you put on a sign her his every It's all those like what was I eating for the past thirty years now with ingredients that may not kill. You must take another break in and I will come back.

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to the Northeast Atlantic, near where we already talked about the twenty five thousand nets that our task in their every year, we ve been there, and so I just wasted are three months getting their Fatima. Apologies are aids or to the Northeast Atlantic. I apologize. It's not gonna, take a six months to navigate through the MID west of the United States through Nebraska Kansas in our boat moorish, poor portages. That's a long, boarded all the way to the Northeast Pacific, yeah and Washington state. While that would be northwest while north these Pacific Ocean, I get northwest- U S yes, type Northeast Pacific, so Washington State

As our main. We already talked about this to remember at eight hundred seventy gill nets they rescued, or they found thirty two thousand and weak. We already made it here. I hate backtracking, nor I listen once carried back all right. Let's go to the Northwest Atlantic and we surely we haven't been there. I don't believe we have the Gulf of Saint Lawrence. For God's sake, now we have ok snow grab. This is one snow crab we. They was about eight hundred traps a year in this one fishery and some say that each Fisher like each boat may lose up to thirty percent and a year of the rapid- and this is an old like this- isn't an old fish tail, that's the national ocean. It can atmosphere, administrations just be Bay Office, saying an old fish tail

This finding dory I've ever saw they want, but I did they come. Where was it Nemo? Finally, one of the great I haven't seen you the one of them Oh, you haven't seen finding Nemo, no was save it save it. But Emily doesn't like any those movies. Ever so as an acre. Try there is every one of them has some sort of said death like she get after Bambi. When she was a kid she's, I can learn yeah this one. This one has there too must have them do and as it is a significant reason to good movie. Well, that's what I mean is the theories. If that's what you do, that is to teach kids about death. Sure, because I mean it's a sanitized, unlike kept out of sight and are scientists, it's a good service. Finding name is on the list in here you like a! U, on regretting wish we're gonna Southwest South EAST Asia, dwell the

maybe see. Let's make a little stop over there. They actually there all woke over there. They figured out that their people were losing it back in two thousand to that two hundred and sixty thousand traps per year while yet, which is a problem not just like say the lobster grabber shrimp that their intended for they they there's a lot of by catch. That say like a lobster. Trap can catch as well as fish can make their way in there too, so you ve got two hundred sixty thousand traps, the floating around. No longer Providing any see food for anybody. There. Just death traps, literal death traps that the problem The United Arab Emirates, ruled that you had to put a biodegradable like face or panel on the traps. From from that point on from two thousand to observe in Toledo,

open yeah, eventually that one there one fish that came in last array freed, while the other ones were like in the Caribbean Gulf of Mexico, this pretty staggering around Guadeloupe Bay. They lose about half of their traps every year during Hurricane season, which is about twenty thousand traps, yeah, the half man, that's crazy and then in Louisiana. Alone. They think that the Hague lose for. Ten million blue crabs last to their traps just in Louisiana.

For the ten million blue crabs- lost all right. So this has all been super depressing. What can be done about it? People are trying to take action. There was an initiative in twenty fifteen in London, founded by the World animal protection. It's an ngo and the global goes to gear initiative, critical main yetive and here's the deal like. Sadly, when your first getting efforts like this going a lot of stuff that they're doing is like simply gathering data, because it's hard to get support because people say well, what's the data? What's it look like and if you say where we don't really have great data yet than there are kind of

you. Don't have to date been the very first steps, is evidence, building azure, reviewing policies and can have not rubber meets the road, Kenneth things but unfortunate. Those have to be the first steps. Right but they're they're, starting to gather data from some of the rubber meets the road stuff yeah, I'm so like if we can go back over to the Pacific Northwest right here to the northeast Atlantic? I think there is like a little pilot programme in Washington State to like clean up ghost fishing stuff and in from I think, two thousand ten are no to them seven they were. They recovered. Four hundred and eighty one loss Gill nets right yeah, so this kind of stuff, where you ve got people, I think they d. They had like a few million dollars from the government and just started up a programme when you ve got people doing these

and then you have a central organisation like the Global goes gearing issue. Then the gears start moving the we'll start, moving like things start happening If they are to generate the data, then you can start to make the press releases. Then you can start till. I get the the public aware of this kind of thing and then you get pressure on industry and then industry shapes up yet here's one of my favorite things too, and this is not just for this industry and this problem, but one of my favorite favorite things in the world is when someone comes along and says: hey I'll, take that waste product you have kids, I can use it. That's what I'm saying is gonna, be the key yet for sure and design happening a little bit because, like a lot of things, you can generate power through some of the stuff. So that's one way that thinkers company called networks

the legal org own Org, Yannick, it there's a few companies. They came together to make networks. I think we're on their case. I think they're turning into energy, but they're turning fishing nets into carpet tiles carpet house boom great right. There is our fishing for energy. That's like Knower Cover command, energy right and then, of course, Schnitzel Steel yeah, the face of ghosts gear they are, they are together and started putting gear recycling outposts in. I think eleven states all over the place all over the coastal in states so that when fishermen come in whether you're just a little solo person when you ve got model. Filament line leftover warrior commercial guy. You can just turn Europe

in here and it gets recycled right and then they take it, and I think Mister Steele takes it in and get strips all the metal from it for recycling and then what's left goes to convey to energy, and they turn into energy. I looked high and low, equally how they do that and I couldn't find it so makes me a little nervous about what they're doing to turn this into energy. But there is supposedly have created enough energy from the stuff that they ve that's been recycled to power like twenty two hundred homes. For a month, amazing. Yet I mean this: is this stuff that otherwise would have just gonna stay down here?

and drowned wailed him in turtles. He escaped boarding, sure there's a sustainable skateboard. Retailer name be. You are Ethiopia and they are turning fishing nets into skateboards. Yeah, like how cool is that yeah, just pretty cool? Is there actually buying fishing net from fishermen? Have their the you stuff so they're giving money for another turning round and using it to recycle core and then there's there's a war, stuff. You could do with you if you divers keyboard Company or United Energy Company there's a group called ghost fishing and they think that's what they call right, just fishing, a measure which one is it it's a ghost. I think it's just ghost fishing anyway, they yeah there. Their group

divers, oh you. They were wrecked drivers in the North Sea. I think they're regionally, based maybe in the netherlands- and they noticed on these rex- that, like there's tons of like ghosts dear apparently the big problem with shipwrecks, so that's why it's kind of dangerous for humans. They also gets caught up on coral and stuff too, so they started cleaning up. They took it upon themselves to start cleaning up some of these Rex and then little by little. This little group of like friends, there in a wreck, divers that started cleaning it up started. Making connections with other groups are divers all around the world sudden, the girl ghost fishing. I think us fishing alliance or initiative is this: this

multi national network of people who love scuba, diving and who spend some other scuba diving time, cleaning up ghosts nets in those actually pictures of these people like freeing seal pups from the house fishing net. You know your hides pretty cool if you're into scuba, diving, there's something you can do right there, you imagine there are not many better sleeps at night. You can get than having speculative free here, but I don't think you previously pretty well, I would guess in Australia, we can't leave you out there a couple of cool things going on there. There's a program called group called ghost nets. Australia, and they ve been partnering with indigenous groups. To basically help cleaning up, you know in individual areas, and then there's a another fishery like we gonna have been picking on the fisheries and some of these companies, but

Some are getting on board, there's one in Australia, how the northern prawn fishery so definite give them your support. If you live there they are working with the World Animal Protection Group too. They report sightings. They report Go Skeer locations, basically like here's, where it is at least, and sometimes they are even involved in retrieving some of this stuff in setting some these animals free when they come across it yeah, I think that's like It's part of it, you know, there's there's you got to have a good government involved to set up in a recycling stations or whatever, to fund pilot programs to get the data going and then with industry you have to educate industry. You have to give them financial incentives to keep their neck bring her to bring him back ashore here then, because there also

once you are out there in the sea to to make it so that it gets its. They have incentive to stop in in taking ghost gear when they see it. You I'm part of that, is like what just happened for north prime fishery. They just free advertisement for being the good guys because they got involved here, absolutely so good. I think we need to solve the problem I'll give you another shout to there's a brewery from Del Re Florida story, Beach, Florida called salt a brewery They made some news recently because they debut the six pack ring that is made aid to biodegrade. In its also edible rather than growing around a turtle, keeping eternal from growing correctly eternal can actually eat the six pack wrangling

encounters it if it makes it into the to the Lord. How well now well out of the trap, worries, don't even use the rings anymore. They have the recycled, the plastic can a lid things. You know yeah good job. You have me brewery ahead of you. I know more about ghost fishing or goes gear. You can take those words in your favorite search bar and it will bring up some pretty good stuff and since I said stuff, it's sign for listener mail and recall this one night. He showed ideas, an email from a deal that has kept up with our t shirt names. He wants us to pick all three of us, the each pick, our favorite. That would be Jerry.

Jerry, you does not like a horse on the ground. When I get through a teacher, you like a guy's, let me show in your tangents rural areas or really cracks me up or other funny ban names, and he should ideas. You come up with. I collected if you my favorites over the years and the time has come to turn a few of these t, shirt, dreams and realities. Don't you design and print a few tee shirts, but my problem is again decide which raises these. So if you can each pick one, it would really make my day and there are twelve so starting with number one trusses rock exclamation point friends, don't let friends your candle, that's actually Emily has that should serve as a thing really. I think someone my senses than that actually here, because this happen from time to time like we got em makes our pants off teacher year. Number three. If you have a beacon approach and a shovel, you could be ok,

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Hands as often as possible minors, mines. Definitely mystery is weird. Ok, I'm gonna go with master of Enchantment and Jerry definitely likes find your own butter. Ok, effective Jerry said that to me in this office, who was that that was that there is Room Steve Records in Grand Rapids, Michigan Steve, and he said, if you swimming assured sizes of be sure, to make an extra of each so I'm an exile. You probably a what large yeah man I'm right on the border between, like large being a little drippy and medium like really showing off way too much. That idea something in between medium and large. I guess large dairy. What are you jeers immediate? Did she stamp that out? She did medium unisex. She said

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