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the fuck I'm Dr Clark, but there was just trying to set high. We need better too was together. You gonna get suddenly called step. We should now it's like mixing baking, solar, vinegar and chest here. That's definitely that its explosive right, it is Chuck. Yes, how are you ok great then? Its unconvincing know me- and I know that you won't be ok about how we finish this one. I thought this is very interesting and well written. Thank you very much. I would agree with very interesting, of course, well written and your fingers duenna taken.

Thank you check. I appreciate that you wanted is yes, okay, so Chuck there was a study released in a little known journal called conservation letters. You may have heard of a heavy I hadn't until era this I had neither until I found it by it was by conservation, internationals, will Turner and a couple other people from that group and from the point of this paper, ways to point out that, even though we may try to mitigate climate change were still screwing things up by trying to mitigate and By not preparing for the worst e g, climate change were ultimately gonna screw things up after the earth is already screwed up. Let me give you a couple of examples. Are first, is one fifth of all. The world's tropical forests lie

within a few kilometers of areas that will be totally underwater. If sea levels rose by just one meter right yes? Thirty one miles of heavy human population would be underwater Thirty one miles the forest within thirty one might carry a heavy human populations right answer. These human populations are just going to sit there and drown in take one for the earth. Now move upward

and as they move upward thing in Ankara, these forests and they're gonna say hey. That bird looks delicious hey. I can burn this tree and cook this bird, yet hey Mama, let's get it on there's gonna, be all sorts of weird thing said in these forests after climate change takes place right, yet these untouched for us will now be touched and plundered right and by the way they say this same one fifth of the forests are home to exactly half of all the alliance for zero extinction sites, which means that these are sites where animals that are filled with animals that are on the verge of extinction. Right human show up it's over. Ok right! So that's if climate change happen,

We don't figure out over going to do for shelter and fuel and food right ahead of time right, that's natural! That other you! The other scenario, is ok we're trying to mitigate climate change. Now before some sort of disaster happens in the future, I gotta say: Hydro electric power, yet still today no, the damn, let's, and why not? Yet that's the clean and green. Yet when you release water it it makes turbines move which generates electricity completely clean cleanly right now. So how can you go wrong? Chuck, well, it didn't say so in this particular paper, but I remember a little pocket. Did about the reservoir undue size missing and assigns channel Short firmly did on that. Where to building dams, can potentially cause instability in tectonic plates from the heavy water and then no water yeah, and if you build Monte, Cristo damage could cause and risks.

Cousin, earthquakes? That's one way! That's one way or another way is that when you build a dam that river backs up and creates a lake in an area that was never really supposed to be a lake in all of the deer and squirrels Kuala bears and the plants are in big trouble right. Lamp was more. You also affect the fresh water down stream of the damp, and, basically you, screw up the environment right? This sounds like a your darned. If you do your darned, if you dont kind of thing right so chuck somebody reading a news report about this paper right could say. What's the point: why do any the right to slay me eat my hungry men dinner and I'm I dont care anymore. I don't care right like I can't do anything about it now and this that the very

Understandable and reasonable reaction is kind of cause for concern among a lot of critics of the media, because, while let's talk about whether or not science believes that anthropogenic or man climate change is real Josh National Academy of Sciences, who we actually know some people there. Very nice people did a great work. We do hey Rick Eric. Marty. Thirteen hundred and seventy two scientists were pulled by the. Meetings of the National Cadmium Sciences and ninety seven percent agreed that an anthropogenic climate change is a real thing and they even went so far as to say what's up with you three percent by her, what he would do, you think, and a kind of fund out that they didn't have the expertise to really determine the right they they want

and shamed them failure. Based on that three percent citation and publication rates of these. These people are basically stupid, which is why they don't believe in man made climate change right to this poor. It indicates that science says yeah man made climate change is happening. It's a real thing. Ok, so you have on the one hand, saying yes, there's a problem people and you have them the public. On the other hand, saying our I dont want to drown in. I don't want to drive these species out of extinction. What can I do? What can I do? Mr scientists and the group that serves to connect these the people who know there's a problem and maybe have answers and the people who can actually create change by carrying out these. These solution is the media, and it's about here where that disconnect comes about especially when there's doomsday scenarios yeah. Major another step which futile awkward, because he found is TAT a gallop

last year in twenty two and twenty two in the future forty eight percent of American said they believed the seriousness of global warming is a quote generally exaggerated and that was a seventeen percent rise from ninety nine. Seven year when we suppose we have a lot more information, probably near over that time period and you hit the nail on the head. Is because of something called alarm ism, thanks to something called the media right in part of it part of his large alarm ism. Another part is that there is such a thing is professional climate sceptics, yet bloggers, reporters media influencers who are like nano? It's not real and then take money from pr companies to buy part of it is alarm ism. There's theirs

If you put enough problems onto a person, they're gonna, destroy their hands and give up. Well, there's also a british study that you found that the Think Tank Institute for public policy research. They do A review of more than six hundred news articles in the UK, this just in UK right on climate change and they found we should reach on these. Did this is the language alarmist language being used by some of these six hundred articles right, the climate Fear serious climate change is now inevitable. That was James Lovelock person, who came theory he also said same guy said the earth has passed the point of no return. He also called for the temporary suspension of democracy until we can handle climate change. Really yet another one said were headed for dodo status. Words like point

a return, civilization or collapse. Global chaos and welcomed levels favour tipping point here. Your favorite person I'm. So there was the alarmist language right and it creates the sense of enormity right and that sense of enormity creates as reasonable distance. From the problem linked to something I can do about. This is nothing any of us can do about this yet again, little my grandma you to my countrymen dinner? I have to admit, I know it's a pretty normal human thing to do. Well, being clear kind of being charged with like save the planet now or humans will be extinct in the blink of an eye. And who is not going to shrink from that a little bit and say where's, my hunger man, but they also found that there are two other large categories that climate change reporting language can be put into: there's also non pragmatic option

some which is basically like second happen in our lifetime care. A ray of another pragmatic optimism, which is like you can change your light bulbs and make significant his later. We it we can save ourselves, but we have to do something. This pragmatic optimism what they found was far and away the most common type was alarm is right now, because it sells. You now have lines itself headlines itself at once first, it does that there really are papers anymore, so itself clicks exactly new These resolutions are very, very difficult to keep get more exercise save more money. What about this? We have a resolution that you can really work with stop wasting time going to the post office. That right, you stamped out, I'm instead because they bring all the services of the Eu S. Postal service right to your computer with yours business, sinning invoices or packages

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to show causation like you, ve got miss language. You have people who don't care about climate change, any longer are afraid of the prominent aren't thinking about it. They didn't show that one cause the other each other, their correlated, but other studies. Have shown that if you manipulate the public in a certain way, you're gonna have a counterproductive reaction. Right you're, not the reaction that you're intending night, which I thought this is really interesting. The northwestern study you cited in two thousand ten in Canada. They did a public service announcement. A that said he binge drinking has is is a bad thing. You shouldn't Vince drink. You should feel guilt and shameful, shrinking. But what happened while they found that people who were already exposed to send to the feelings of guilt and shame

to begin when were shown. This tended to drink. The two were likely to go bins, drink within the next two weeks than people who were exposed to these ads and were had some sort of neutral. Motion going on right, the tried and even scarier there was one in two thousand nine in the Journal of experimental social psychology, tis a fun reed cigarette packs. They found that said, really blatant aggressive messages like smoking can kill. You actually increase smoking in some people right very specific set of people, but if you're trying to get people across the board to quit smoking, it would be a good idea to not use these death related messages. You wanna go for death, neutral messages. That is what is called. That's what it's called really yeah, so that that study, that two thousand nine study from the Journal of Experimental, so psychology was carried out, is conducted by some terror, managed

the arrests, chuck the tripe terror management theory is the coolest sounding theory of all time has nothing to do with terrorism. So all of you who are listening to this pod cast hoping for one on terrorism. You can now be officially disappointed, yeah and when I first saw terror management theory. The first thing I thought it was terrorism. Think of terror. You know what I see in my mind. I see like a seventies, horror, follow. Paperback cover term has yeah right, like gum yeah like me, the red, scholar, maybe the young, the covered Stephen kings, Dense Mc Cobb perceive that nice reference squeak club were quickly relieved that great funny line had hint of one forgets what else

when they just came out recently, when I was doing the cure for the episode are genuinely like, was cracking up at my desk. That is often forget. That happens. All the time So where are we tear management theory? This was created in the nineteen eightys by psychologists at the University of Mozilla go tigers, tigers, yet very TIGERS, Fairfax package Mary TIGERS and based on the work of earnest Becker, who was the author denial of death, which a lot of you may have heard of, and we talked about him for appointing. I think we have talked about him and I think definitely is their worst waded die here. He he came up big time, but he was an anthropologist to basically said. Ok, all culture is created to distract us from being obsessed with are inevitable death. I think he was obsessed with death, he definitely was but

through his obsession, he managed to free himself. I imagine so that's what he thinks is a big distraction. Everything from my sports on tv, television, probably war, is, is used the distraction and create meaning in life will actually one of the young. The war was a big one that he used. He used the camera. What it's called is that they told you that's like this study of death. Becker's was more like the obsession with death now, but based what he was saying. We we are aware, innately that we do create culture to distract ourselves from death when we encounter another culture, that's totally foreigner alien to us and we look at their culture. We see how ridiculous it appears that their belief system just appear

Dickie lists to us right that IRAN minds us that work where we do the same thing: arbiter, ridiculous, and then we start thinking about our own death. So we want to destroy this for that we encounter because its reminding us of our own death- and we hate it. How does it feel the cultural relativism one? That's the opposite of Asthma cultural relativism is, is also flawed. You know we figured out and to a certain extent, because This allows absolutely anything right. You know wholesale, but needs the opposite of of what I describe cultural relativism events, but terror management theory takes Becker's ideas right in introduces them from anthropology to psychology and is really can, to date to standardize them. So the idea is that you are afraid of your own demise, and so you cling like mad to the culture that you must and if I were any rammed, identify what yeah and then they could find

in study. After study that this this theory holds up and ask what This'Ll defence, yes interesting. So let me give you an example of a study there. There were a bunch of judges that were never use in a study, and I guess they chose prostitution to use. It is like a it's the same tat same offence. It was easily standardized, maybe, but they took some judges and basically relate die eventually to one group. They didn't another group where they they give him some activity that basically guaranteed death salient see, I believe where they weren't thinking about death at all right and they sent both groups

to handle their prostitution cases and the judges who ve been reminded their mortality tended to throw the book at prostitutes and they the researchers theorized or postulated that the reason these guys through the book prostitutes is because this, was there they were buying into their culture, their clinging other culture, morals and laws and what they believed in dry, and, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Chuck you ve, been hung over, like tragically hung over before right once or twice so you don't want to take any risks whatsoever. You kind of feeling at death's door you're on some sort of edge right there were you really hanging out there, you really vulnerable and, like you, you maybe Milo notice makes you cry while you

putting it on the couch like you really need to be around Emily and have our support right then right. Yes, I think that's the eggs, that's that's the route of it. That's the basis of it were reminded of death. We cling to what we find confident. We tend to find comfort in the charade of society or culture that we create a better, You can't even trickled down level that even beyond death, when you're feeling most fragile invulnerable vulnerable, which obviously death would be that the ultimate invulnerable vulnerability I fully, but when you need the support most any cling to what you know most right, but I mean like if you got fired from a job or you know said something: there is some disruption to your normal life right, you're you're, going to cling to it. So that's distant! That's the distant defence there's also proximate Yes, this is with regards to climate change. Yeah. That's when you downplay the seriousness of something like that. That's kind of me. I don't think about death,

and I wonder really like played down, probably go. You now surely die when old, like everybody, they don't want to think about that. You just downplay. Significance of it right, I wonder, though I mean like- is that the best you can hope for? What's down your old noted to just kind of downplay, Norton like genuinely not worry about it like. Is that really flawed? I hope not, I never think about death, but I guess what I ask, because I have the same approach like I tend to think Loco, I'm where that I'm going to die one day. Yet you know I'm aware of death. I don't think about it, I'm not obsessed with them I especially not my own, but I wonder sometimes lake in the last few minutes am I going to reach out cause people do yeah. They don't see that movies. Emily is, is very preoccupied with death row. Yes, you can talk about him

but she's she's cover dark side like I'm driving home, and I could easily slip off the road and hit that tree or there's a tornado. In the area and a tree is gonna, fall in our house and kill us all in her sleep. Well, think about that stuff. But how does she react to them? I think there's at a low level of anxiety, roblee she'll probably grew that she didn't said the shadow slacken. That's fine! We want now here's the thing. Saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up. Basketball there's always that guy who joined your game he never passes the rock he instantly bricks theories and who can We have you and then put his hands up and say no foul, no foul, with Geico it's easy to switch and save on car insurance. No need to fake an angel sprain because you're absolutely exhausted, so which in save with it's almost

better than sports. So you got proxy more in this old defence mechanisms when reminded immortality right yet imagined both can probably happened to write firing at one or the other right, but with with the dew stationary and climate change, it seems like terror management can explain that through the the proximate defence, where you just play it like: ok, well, who cares? If not that big of a deal it's not going to happen in our lifetime? They re anything. So I guess if we were to give advice to the media, which we never do in an article Yan media, dismissing the cynical even sort of a part of that are now. I dont know. If we already gloomy fully concluded that it would be to basically a dot the more pragmatic, optimistic approach- and I think tends to work, but it doesn't look like the media's gonna, do it check, because

combat see yourself. Yes just see. I felt when I first came out: it was all the rage yeah in green living and as soon as everyone else, I can't you know what I can deal with the fact that it looks a little funny and I'm not used to this wider light. I'm gonna do it cause. I'm gonna do my part and my very small part I can accept yet its climate change and in the media are the sudden started a reporting stories about mercury that mercury in sea officials and you're gonna die views. Alarmist language they just sensationalism. Man has been around since the first words were printed new, extra extra real about is like you're, going to die from the plague here, still around. In this case, its climate change and its making people shrink into their couch. Instead of doing small things, it can actually make a difference from doktor bite you

What I do is I don't read. I don't watch local whose I don't watch. I want any news really now known him. Do you now that I think about it. Not really I mean I watched selective stuff like if, if there's like a video or something I'll watch it, but I think I get most of my niece from Twitter magazines, yeah I get most of my from the internet and a lot of times not from leading sources on the internet. You can usually get an honest truth. If you seek out some of these other websites, yeah. Ok, I wish I could think of the term management theory and earnest Becker mixed another cameos. Thank you, doctor backer for show enough you're, better if you want to learn more about doomsday climate scenarios, terror management theory, tobacco warnings, this articles got it all. You can type in doomsday and climate change and I think it brings

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