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And then I saw them again what name names, but I saw them again in high school at the peak of their fame, when a person at my high school had bought two tickets in could not get any of the the girls at school to go with him weird during the high a bunch of his fame yeah, and so I must have been a real dog. I felt that for this person, so I went in bon Jovi with his person and that's just the kind of guy was back then these days I would have said buzz off. Are you still friends with this guy Ok, does he listened to the park? Yes, maybe while as decided to become a dog- and I'm sure he grew into a fine specimen

well. As you know, I can play olive by Jovi Slippery were on the Quaker Oat boxes in my air band. Oh that's right am, although I never saw him in concert. Well, I gotta say that that second, like I never would have paid to go, see them, but it wasn't bad yeah, wouldn't think it would be. I mean this group for their prose. They know what there so the first cancer, not so great, I mean for an opening ban you now I got run away that was kind and only notable song. They had at the time that Tom Parry there are no she's runaway punjabi. I do know is that those Thomson twins. This is a great opening. Yes, firstly, for people worry,

Didn't faith feeling like who are these again? Let us get to it fairly. Yes, okay! So we're talking today about faith. You eventually talked about some of this before I would refer everybody to our two thousand eight twenty minute long. How prayer healing episode works? Well, remember that nope. The that whole stack cardiology study about inner Sesar repaired and ring a bell with you at all little bit. There was that's where it found its its purchase originally hooker. So this is much much bigger, broader picture that we're looking at right. But when you talk about faith healing, there are basically two types that people kind of lump indicated the categories. Why

is prayer right, there's this idea and it's it's a pretty widely held idea of more people all around the world of differently religions, of different cultures, that by praying to God, you're kind of beaming- some well wishes to God in the hopes that he axes of a satellite in beams them down under the person you're you're praying for whether it be like that they they, the ants that have taken up residence in their cast, go away or that they

get over there cancer, or that they have a better day than you know, they're having whatever it is? If you stepped back and look at it will all you're talking about is completely senseless as far as science is concerned, and it's a form of faith healing its it saying. I believe that by praying I can effect something about this. This person's physical or mental state. That's one form of faith healing year and for me, I'm not a religious guy anymore, as people now, but if someone says to me for any reason to they're gonna pray for me, depending on who it is in the mood I men can vary from me disorder quite like I would never confront someone over that or say don't do that. I believe in that bear your teeth.

He said, but it might in my own brain either be like whatever all the way to you know it I'll take that. Thank you well, depending on what kind of procedure you're going in, for somebody says you may want to be like will allow just to hold off on that one. Okay, nobody mean. So there is a study that now there is the study on inner sensory prayer, and it was a pretty good study using scientific method that cut people up into three different categories. Those eighteen hundred, nothing to patients, are receiving the exact same procedure, coronary bypass surgery at six, different hospitals and three groups of people who, I think, like represented Catholics

not an operational Christians and I think carmelites nuns were all approach and asked to pray for these people. These you say: formalize nuns, karma Lightner us then I nearly delicious there their regular. Not so the three groups prayed for these people and they said they prayed for them, based on their first name and last initial. So please help John C to feel better and then they, specifically all of them, prayed specifically for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications. Those are the two, the two requirements that they use their first aim last initial, and then they include that. However, ass they wind, a prey is totally fine and they studied these groups that were actually prayed for

They divided a map into three groups right. There was a group that did not receive any prayer. There is a group that did receive prayer but were told they may or may not be receiving prayer. Then there is a third group that was that received prayer and were told that there receiving prayer bright and away. They went back and looked at these eighteen hundred and two patients. They found the group that receive pray, and knew they were receiving prayer fared worse than both of the other groups and that actually the group that didn't receive any prayer at all for the best of the So if you're going and getting a cardiac bypass surgery, you may want to say just just don't pray for me this time around ok, yeah and was his grabs, her article yeah. He points out in what we may get touch on this a bit more later, but he points out that it's just it's really tough to scientifically study incessantly prayer- and I remember if we cover that ten years ago or not, we do,

but it's just you know. Sample sizes are tough the during the health outcome. Mike is hard because today live for a week. Did they lived for the rest of the year? What would have been a long long life when he mentions the sharpshooter effect, which is there are so many potential outcomes that anyone can group something together and say what we learned this and then you know who's due in the present, how hard they pray and how long they pray and what are they bring to? It. Just is tough to study somethin like that and if, if prayer actually does have an impact, if there's a group, that's a control group, that's not being

for how do you control for like the friends and family who were actually praying for them and fearing in the study? So there's a people have taken this quite seriously at a guide seriously. They keep running up into these conceptual walls. As far as the structure of the study is concerned, no one's been able to figure it out, but that coronary bypass study was a bow as close as any of them came, but even still that one was fraught with methodological methodological problems, so intercepts repair out of all the types of faith healing are probably the most investigated through science and scientific studies, peer review, Journal studies, the other side of faith healing is

I am probably comes to mind when somebody brings up faith healing and that is usually an event. Jellicoe preacher, putting his hands on you and casting out the demons are casting out the disease or doing something to where the power of God is coursing through them. Person and getting rid of your disease or condition or whatever that's the other type of faith healing, and that's the one that most people think of you and the less. However many minutes it was had a great ban name, and I wonder if you can guess what it was cast the demons out now. That would be the album title. Four of the lay even jellicoe preacher- no narrow conceptual walls- nice, okay, if you could,

There would be a kind of like a Thompson twins cover me, so you said he in the terms of the faith healers in you generally see this more as a man that does this and my research at least, but there was a woman, there's been a few in the sixtys and seventys those very popular in Catherine Coleman. Who was a faith healer, and you know, looks like she should have been on the on. He horror, something with her. That's just great lacy laundry. Says that they weren't incidents, in nineteen sixty seven. They did a case study and again that these are problematic, but because of sample size, but they study twenty three people that she supposedly healed and they found out later on that none of them were healed and one woman. They do this, this old trick, where they're like get out. You're, wheelchair and walk over to me

this woman in a wheelchair head spinal cancer, she threw offer back, brace and ran across the stage and then they followed up with her, but her spine collapse the next day and she died for months later yeah. So these mentioning that, because all of these people are when you go to one of these performances, everyone thinks that their healed and no one hears the follow up story. That's in that auditorium, right, yeah, an ally of the success stories, are anecdotal for sure it with with little or no follow up and when there is follow up, it's usually fines. If that's not me, but it's so how about this truck? Let's go! Take a commercial, and when I come back, we'll tell will tell everybody what it would be like to go to a faith healing sermon and then, after that, we'll talk about the skeptical

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right. We promised to details like to get one of these faith healing witty column, column, performances, but It depends on what type it is. It could be a service In a revival, probably a revival is usually good way to put it, which is also a sermon in service shirt one thing you're gonna have in your pocket is some cash money or a cheque book. I imagine they probably take credit cards these days because there is generally some kind of money changing hands at one of these events, whether or not you have paid a fee to get in

or made a coat and quote donation. While you were there to get up on stage and have your your chance to faint in front of thousands of people right so usually we'll take a Benny Hin as an example of what these things can be like, that guy so Benny Hinn is a he's. A faith healer, I'm not sure, I believe, is non denominational, but all of this stuff traces back. Actually I didn't realize this. I don't know if you did or not, but all evangelical, charismatic and Pentecostal Christianity actually finds in one place in one thousand. Nine hundred and six

the ASEAN Street revival. Have you heard of that year in, and we should point out. You said charismatic at is quick to point out the charismatic religion. Does it mean boy that that person of their preaching sure as lotta charisma, it's actually a form of Christianity that is rooted in Pentecostal ISM? Yes, that that, basically me is it. They believe that God is in the building that day, in literally, can do things in that room. He up so there's lots this is actually. I didn't realize this either until a sort of researching this article, there's a pretty big schism actually in Christianity today between Pentecostal ISM, which is a form of charismatic Christianity and traditional Christianity and with Pentecostal resuming

Mary Christianity because you believe that God is in the room? You also believed that God can operate through you and their certain gifts that are available to you. There's the gift of knowledge, which is just you just know, stuff, because the Holy Spirit or God is telling you this there's the gift of tongues called glass. Allow you, where you suddenly start speaking in times every cover that in earnest. I don't think so man, if not, we definitely surely did snake handling, which definitely fits as a great one, charismatic it definitely India.

But the basis of charismatic is their God is part of your everyday life and can do things to you. Imbue you with divine powers, and one of those divine guess is called the gift of healing. Now, not everybody has a big. Potentially anybody could have it if, if you, your soul, has been baptized anointed to where you were saved plus. Basically- and that's a big thing that you find in charismatic religion, is that the more somebody speaks in tongues, more somebody's able they to heal through faith, the more somebody is wealthy.

I think we need to do I'm prosperity, gospel episode by asylum, but this ties into that is well. The idea of all behind all those things is that those people who are the wealthiest who speak in terms of those who can faith you are the are the ones who are who are saved more than other people. Does the charismatic religion, the other side, the traditional region, religion. They are probably familiar with his like new o, o o. Scriptures the Bible. That's that doesn't talk about any of this, and when it does, it is now in the way that you guys are it. So there is a real theirs listen going on Christianity today between people who say God as per year, everyday life and other They know, God is in scripture, and that's where you, where you find your answers to God, not in a wholly laughter or glass, allow the already thing like that, and so there's this kind of traditional christian

group in America that is losing ground very quickly to charismatic Christians, who are gaining more more members and one of the ways the doing. That is through faith feeling. Is it true that growing yeah, apparently one every for American Christians is a penny Kastl now interesting, I think its the fastest growing group in America by far so none of this is new. This this all started in the nineteenth century is worse. Faith healing goes. People like John Alexander Dowie people like rumor, has it ever tipper embedded competitor like the second more happen there about rule likes him more to Frank, Sandford, not read, Sandford events. In Idaho, said. These are all faith healers who have died.

Breathing from said. I condemn the he'll like race people the dead too. I am actually Jesus. Christ right so China has run the game it throughout history. People like many hen and on the other guy Papa Peter pop off are some of the been around for a while to you, but there there than the newer version of this nineteenth century huckster. Yet, and so so as I was starting with the Benny, hinting the Benny Hint Service a revival is about twenty four hours, long man, they actually a little longer, because I think it consists usually of six services each about four and a half hours each okay. So we're talking like twenty seven hours of this revival and the whole thing is basically stage or created, are carried out.

The way that you you're getting more more excited more more jazz doing in from the perspective of the believers who were there, the Holy Spirit is now coming to this place and you ve got all this like other. Its appearance is going on through Holy after what people are just ecstatically laughing and they feel so great or their speaking in tongues arriving on the floor. The Holy Spirit is present in the building right and after everybody is good and worked up. The Holy Spirit is present. Finally, Benny Hin Wilkes onto the stage, and the revival really truly begins. Then, then, that's when the healing start yeah, but here's the thing like growing up in church like the

spirit, was in the room every Sunday, but it's just a different thing with these more, I guess any kind of preaching as some kind of a performance or sermon as but like in the nineteen twenties is when, especially with the Amy SIMPLE Macpherson is when these really highly produced dramatic stage shows started cannot take place. I was I was reading about, hurt eighth a blow my mind that she does not have multiple movies made about her, oh yeah, she is extraordinarily interesting and she was based in allay to Yemen. Really surprised there should be a terrific outcast who should I his career? Should I make Jennifer Lawrence are probably do pretty get Amy simple. Make fears are eating yeah, I think so. I think she could carry that was they turned. It will see if you have the casting powers as well. What if it turns out to be huge admin,

ray performance. So she, yes, you really get things go on in the nineteen twenties and she used area firmer props, like ships in Trojan horses. Motorcycles, Benny hen I mean did. Did you watch due to go in it who are you to read all of these things. I've seen Benny him before you like. He will he's one of the most physically spicy charismatic Belladonna confuse it, but in the true sense of the word charismatic fist the aggressive in charismatic in that he's he's running all over the place he's using his coat his jacket to he will and over the crowd in the first twenty row, The people will fall back into their seats right as, if blown by back by the Spirit he will he put his hands on it. I'm a guy who will jump up and kick his feet outlined on his back he'll get up now. Do it again, he'll get up and we'll do it again and they have what's cultures on stage these

he's got a big man. Usually you you catch these people and put them on the stage, help em back up and they're all a part of the. If you ve ever seen why you never saw flesh one right now, I didn't, was there a preacher and virtually no unfledged to ok Frida, I saw the sequel I dont know I didn't pledge to you, that's what the story was. Was What's his face early army from for mental jacket player that faith healer, who was nothing! I'm! U willing! I didn't say here: bodies, people use tricks like earpieces and there's someone off stage, reading them card that people feel in say hi, I'm so, and so and I had this ailment and then they will put in peace and they will say I'm thinking of someone, perhaps name is James or Jammer Jamie and they something wrong with their foot and then all the

and the guy who filled out that card says. Are you talking about me? Get amongst age, lay the hands and by all accounts, these people are so caught up in this they just hysteria of the moment and the drama that sometimes they do faint right so visit. That's right! I'm glad you brought it up because I think is really important to get across like the people who attend these revivals are true believers and they are caught up in what they would say, as they were described all this to the Holy Spirit. Through them being at this revival. Being you know that part of the energy and the air yet why sceptics would say, is it well? Actually, this is all just part of a mass hysteria mass delusion regardless is basically two sides of the same coin, weathers divine or whether its internal these people are experiencing fainting. They are expecting falling backwards. To them, they feel like they're, just being lifted right offer their feet. They are like experiencing this holy land,

whatever their, not they're, not taking in, in the sense that you and I would be like always, these people are facing their participating in something that is happening that connecting them to everybody around them and the people on stage at the very least in the ones that are the most legitimate. Well yeah there there either that or they sometimes they are actual plants. Okay. So so here too there's. Let me give you three examples: Benny Hin Peter pop off in Hobart Freeman yeah. They represent three different version of faith healers Benny hand? His thing is like you're saying he runs around on stage of wages Co. His thing is, he healing like a specific disease. At that moment, he'll be like here the cancer being healed in this room and then after that, he'll be like whose felt there whose cancer riches he'll come on up here, but you ll, run up bill. Accuse you of my cancer thanks a lot right. He apparently

not use. He was tracked by a documentary film maker and investigated pretty thoroughly back in two thousand. He apparently does not use plants. He apparently I did. I don't really know enough about the guy to know how true his faith is, but it's it says a lot that he wasn't caught using plants or any kind of technical assistance whatsoever. People have planted people there, though, that are healthy. Like sting operations, Albanian chose yea, they would planted like whatever some new Sherwood Plant, some one in the audience have them go upon stage and said there were healed and he would tell M is being healed and then, when he's interview said hey. This person was a plant, they weren't even sick, and he said that she was sick and you healed and his responses, little literally like

well, you know, I'm I'm just a man like you and I'm trying to do better and I was trying to do better. Oh, that's not an answer if there s actually a pretty pretty common investigation, what they're doing is that's remember how we said like that that God, or the Holy Spirit, gives you divine gifts right Those gifts is the gift of knowledge or what they were doing was challenging. Yes, the idea that God was giving them information regarding the area right guy

giving you this bad information. That was a lie. So therefore, you dont have this pipeline to God. I can see Benny Hinges being like tat. S happened right at his face. His famous further saying that at the second category is exposed legitimate straight up, fraud right and that the poster child of that is Peter pop off. Yet he was, he was exposed, one hundred percent exposed at the kind of the height of his. Your career, yet he still makes a ton of money today, selling holy water, hungarian, water, heater, hidden, sell it if you send a donation in as a thank you, if so, send you your wholly spring water regular right. So then people who ve gone, always bring water, come on and say right after that

I got a cheque from the Irish that I wasn't expecting and now my house is paid off. Thank you Peter Papa afraid. That's what he's doing it so he went bankrupt getting caught, he handed the amazing Randy James Randi, exposed peer pop off on Johnny Carson tonight. Show here in front of billions of people totally ended the guy's career right there heaped he went bankrupt very quickly, afterward that he would they were the ones using the earpiece right yeah, so Peter part of it was getting like. You said it. Basically, the premise of flesh to rip his wife was going through prayer cards, saying people's name, saying the details, they'd written down about what diseases they wanna cured in what their prayers were, and it Peter pop off was being fed this information through an ear peace. While he was pretending that he was getting this nation, from God the gift of knowledge and wound people, but seven days a week, six days a week at his revivals and making a lot of money.

James Randi went to one of his revivals number one inserted a plant in their a couple of times a few different plant, so disputed is gift of knowledge, but then also made a recording of the radio transmission of his wife and then place it on the Carson show so ends this guy's career. This is in nineteen eighty six, by two thousand five. He was back to making like twenty four million dollars a year through divine debt relief. How do people not pick up on that an audience I don't know, I think it's probably a well. I know how they pick up on it and that's part of what makes this so sad is. They are so desperate for health, good health. The deal believe anything they dont think o my guy in the sky just called my name out of thin air and said all these details that await that. I wrote down on an index

car on the way in an handed to somebody right like they dont make that connection. So I think that's a pretty good point. There, either desperate to be healed. Or this is like their genuine belief that some guy is come in and been like others. What you believe wont. Let me figure out how to work that into my into my scam near either way. It's it's. I mean, don't you you shouldn t, I'm not saying you are I'm talking to you. People are unpack hassling, her, like what suckers what chumps debts did not for you to judge these. These people are, in some cases, being very much preyed upon. Oh yeah, not in all cases, though there are so so far we ve got any him. We got Peter pop, I have anyhow. I know we took me forever be like that's, not it

not a typo graphical error rate. But I can't tell you how many times I turned into watch. Benny has a man when am I gonna learn their both very funny shows the hand. Then the third type is exemplified by a guy named Hobart, Freeman yeah. You would call these people utterly incomplete. True believers right yeah there Ones who die because their walking the walk actually not Hobart Freeman. He died in part of complications, gangrene in his leg that he wouldn't go, get medical treatment from so he was actually pre sitting down and not walking at all, but he died. He he prayed over his sicknesses, his pneumonia, his gangrene in his leg, and here and then called faith assembly. I believe in Indiana, and he was preaching that medical, not just you, know, come and get your ear. Your faith,

being by medical interventions or not it's not as a sign of that that evil that basically sign of a lack of faith in God. Yeah me he was to the point where he was like don't even clean. My wound right, like that's medical treatment, and I refuse that yeah and so he died. I am not quite sure how old he was. The problem is, this is like he's an adult he can make his own decisions, especially the United States, were religious freedom is vehemently protected. Yet the problem with him and his faith assembly was that he took like ninety people with him. While he was doing this increase babies who were neglected any kind of medical care children who were who died of easily treatable diseases, women, died in childbirth, ninety people, they they decided, died, and I think, between five and ten years that

assembly, who probably otherwise would have lived had they sought medical treatment as well, as is faith healing, yeah this this is where it can overlap with christian science. They don't believe that medical science is, they issue medical science and medical assistance right? I guess, depending on their may be arranged. I dont know if I'm not? I don't know any christian scientist, so I don't know if some of them are there. Hardliners and other people there like? No, what we will take a little medicine for this in that, but ostensibly christian scientists, don't believe the medical intervention So there is some overlap there, but it's what they were

If someone dies even a child is it's either God's will or in the case of faith feeling if it doesn't work, they will say that day they didn't truly believe they are. Truly. They put the vein, the blame back on the sick person. If you didn't get, if you didn't get heels by my hand, then that means you didn't truly believe in that you aren't devout yet, which is its that's one thing if like you're, true believer, faith, healer buddy a con man and that's all you're getting out of it is saying you don't have enough faith, but a crippling thing to do to some a person of faith. You know how despicable is that. Well, I think it was Binny hands would have been hindered. Above one of them's nephew read an article by him and he is still very much a devout Christian, but he saw the light. He was a catch her for a while. We catch the people on stage and he is like

it wasn't until I met my wife and she couldn't speakin tongues in IRAN was like you, gotta be can't marry her she started? Opening his eyes too, I guess the the other competing Christianity which says you dont speak in towns. You dont faith heal. And he has put all that behind him in and said it and he felt guilty now for this lavish lifestyle in us. The other part of this prosperity thing is They believe that God has is blessing them with all these riches and these italian villages and the fleet of Mercedes and the driveway and the helicopter, and that its all God's will, but he had a big problem with the fact that they would then in turn blame the people he didn't get healed because they weren't devout right. Sad, yet is sand. So there's a few there's a few really bad negative outcomes from this one is: you I because you aren't going to seek medical treatment and even

you're going to have faith, healer and you're not say like a christian science adherent, but you, you are a true believer in faith healing. If you go to a faithful earn their like. We, I just keep your kids. You might be like well, I'm not gonna go spend any more money on CO pays for any follow up stuff. All alone. I don't like going to hospital. I hate chemotherapy and then the war, if, if that tree was keeping you alive or prolonging your life. You might die from because you believe that the faith healers is healed. You one. Is that, like your beer, losing money, if this stuff really actually doesn't work, then Europe throwing your money away or put a different way. It's being and out of you that's another, it about come of it and then yes, injuries like Catherine comment

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if you know anything about Andy Kaufman or saw the movie man on the moon with Jim, carry as Andy Kaufman. You remember the scene where, or If you grew up in the seventies and eighties, you remember seeing the stuff on like sixty minutes or PBS. It seems like it. It was a big thing. Then these psychic surgeons will use their hands most of the time. It's on your, like your your belly, laid down with your shirt off and it looks like they are reaching into your body with their hands and pulling out organs or tumors, or something right pulling out some sort of la Flesche MIDI product. So what's really going on with psychic surgeons is it is a complete fraud. They are masters of sleight of hand and they are covering up

If you ve seen the video there always covering up what they're doing with the other hand- and they have blood packets in there, and they have like chicken gizzard or something tucked away that you don't see, and it is just a big. Sleight of hand magic, show and the man on the moon movie, it was very sad- is Andy. Kaufman was kind of it. His wits end with trying to kill me now get heel of cancer medically and He took a chance travelled to wear earth care Philippines. Was it the Philippines and saw the guy palming. The chicken gizzard knew it was a fake does is very sad moment in his life and movie. So I wondered I remembered that being the case and that movie too, but I had read like an account of his experience there and from what I could gather he'd. He left the Philippines feeling like the psychic surgery, had worked

there, then the movie contrives real inserted that part yet because he spent I think, six weeks over there getting almost daily psychic surgery, any apparently improve decide to gain some weight. Is spirits improved so much so that he left the Philippines expecting he'll, but when he went back to the United States, he died pretty quickly after that was pretty said of the movie. They are really worth because he starts laughing it like the whole cosmic joke of the whole thing. Yes I mean what can happen if some of these people, maybe he did feel better. Sometimes people do kick cancer and they will say it's because of the either intercepts repair, the failing or both. Ah, what sceptics will say is no, sometimes people feel from cancer. You know I do, here's the thing, though check this is where science is kind of fallen down and allow faith healing

continue on basically unabated those that were Third, they dont have ensigns, doesn't understand why some cancer spontaneously remiss they just don't there. They. They know that some types of cancer are more likely to undergo spontaneous remission. They also suspect that people may actually develop cancer and their body might overcome it and they will to go there. Eyes without realising that they ever had cancer at some point, but they don't understand the mechanisms behind it where I feel like science has fallen down. Is this misunderstood? Frankly, faith based explanation has been, has been used to replace another face, face explanation, which is that the holy speed? he'll these people there saying, though, a spontaneous remission. Why does that? We don't really know, but it's not the Holy Spirit and I feel like that's: that's

that doesn't fly at all, I'm for people who believe in in faith healing when they hear spontaneous, permission- and they ask- oh you know: how does that work in science as we don't know, but just trust us, that's what it is. That's not gonna change anybody's view if you're a true believer in this kind of thing year, and it also points out that some of this could be due to a placebo effect, which Kamer would show that we talk about that before for sure we did a placebo effectual. It was probably that one, that's of course, when fake treatments seem like they have actual positive effects for the patient, so some of that could be there. Some other could be. They have a comfort, therefore reduced anxiety, and it has been shown when you have reduced reduced anxiety and stress than that. Can that can help your your case medically, which is also actually, I think why

that first study, you talked about what you with a bad outcome, didn't wouldn't want to explanations, possibly that people it increase their anxiety, yeah like they gave them performance anxiety like they didn't want to. Let the people who were praying for them down right or left God down, so they actually became anxious, which, in turn be created. Negative outcomes are complications from the surgery which is just someone surmising. What that could mean that outcome could mean right again again so like if, if, if science is taking it upon itself to to challenge faith, doing it I dont think, is doing a very good job right now, because the placebo affects us not explained very well either. The idea that anxiety can can lead to negative outcome, Caesar things I like you, you're on the right track. Keep going! Don't you stop there? One I think there are stopping early.

I hope not, I don't think so, but it didn't you do get the impression that if you ask a scientist about faith healing just throw out. Well that Holy Spirit thing. That's mass delusion, there's spontaneous remission of cancer, so just leave it at that, and do you get a little pat on the head? I just don't think that works. Who knows me twenty years down the road. When we understand spontaneous remission, we can say no, you were not healed. This is what your body did. I think in that case, then the people say well, yeah God made my body do that through the faith healer. Don't think is ever going to end well yeah, and there is also the case that the Peter pop of the world selling sorry not selling taking donations for wholly spring water. Thank you at one point, I think he was a an actual company and then, of course, the governments are spoken around the books in fraud claims.

And then he registers as it is a religious group and their religious protections in his country and exemptions from the IRS such that they can get away with some of the stuff, then we have to show their books right. This rhetoric, speaking of laws as well to arm the the there are laws on the books that protect religious groups in, I think, like nine states from criminal negligent, manslaughter homicide charges for withholding. Withholding medical care from children Yad at its weirdly. Just can't came up today, actually in real time as we record today, as we in the news Did you see that in Idaho it didn't

the articles called in Idaho, Idaho Medical care exemptions for faith healing come under fire. This was breaking news like three hours ago. There's a cemetery in Boise called Peaceful Valley, cemetery, six under grave sites and nearly a third of them are children, and while it's impossible to tell how many died because of negligent parents? They think that a great many of them did they try together corner reports. Autopsy reports advocates of try to do this, but basically they estimate a hundred. Eighty four hundred and eighty three Idaho children have died since nineteen seventies, while because appearance withholding medical treatment. I think they led the nation and yes, as more children die of faith based medical negative neglect in Idaho than any other state? and so they had a rally.

Today, where they had a hundred and eighty three childs eyes, caskets delivered. I think, too, that the capital steps and boys and they're, calling on reform in saying you know you can't do this anymore, like I know that parents like that these children's can't advocate children's children, can add advocate for themselves, so it's up to the parents to make sure that they get we'll treatment if they need it, and here again, though, these parents will literally watch their kids die and say it was God's. Will right- and I mean like you- This country was founded on religious liberties, there's just such a sticky situation where it's like, like we have the technology Save your child knew not letting us do it and in Idaho, like you said, is the state that leads that others its don't have anything like that any in haven't for a long time. Some have

pulls that allow that but say like if, if this happens to multiple children array of yours like yours, You ve, let more than one kid die, as God's will work in actually come after you and then other stated, like Florida and I cant remember the other state basically say yes, why you're here not going to criminally charge parents who withhold medical care, but the court can still come in and be like sorry ts. Your kid is getting this lifesaving medical care, whether you like it not while barely everything change and nineteen seventy four there was the federal child, abuse prevention and Treatment ACT and, at the time, the Department of H h S interpreted that she say that states must implement faith healing exclusions, and so in order to get a federal funding a lot of the state pass these faith healing exemptions, so they could get funding and later on, the department said you know what we were saying that interpretation.

This is not what we met, but it was too late at that point, yeah and- and I think it was two thousand and three was when they finally reach did it, but in so all of these these exemption, relics from two dozen three at the latest Seven hundred and ninety is a lot of them were removed to so I have a feeling. It's going to be around for much longer will probably be like one state. That's like the hold out state and I'll be surprised if it's not Idaho, but I don't think there's gonna be too many states with it around ten years from now five years from now, and what shall I do you tube today by the way, yeah yeah ice? We saw what we used to watch in college, we'll go to my friend Clays house, and he had vs tapes dealers and Peter pop out for sure and then, although he wouldn't efface the healer, did you ever watched by Robert Tilton know the name sounds familiar. You probably seen the fart compilation

He was a televangelist in the eighties he saw around, but I think you might have been one was what broken and carriage again, but he was a televangelist in and Eightys had this great great show somethin power. What is called but clay our power now. I know what they are talking about. I'd I'd know exactly what you mean. You ve probably recognise the sky, but clay had a bunch of these Dublin. We would. We would sit around late at night watch about children and I speak in tongues and stuff on a show and he was hey, it's a stroll down memory lane yeah nice. It's really funny to watch Bob Dylan, I will say so. What do you mean the FARC com? since he fired a well now years later, someone did a you, he would make all these funny faces and Turkey Jerky movements and

some one later on dubbed in farts every time he closed his eyes, you'll, tighter and Meda funding over them? It's that's funny to watch, but is also funny just to watch Bob Dylan, because he is like its entertainment. That was hysterical, but Nino people would write him big checks and go broke and not be old, Peter Mortgages, because urban and money because they his whole deal was the prosperity so I'd like you, you will get rich. If you, if you send your money, it will come back tenfold that gonna do yeah. We definitely have to do in opposite to sign that land back in the day. Real quick did you did you ever watch cartoon network, when a dull swim was just like an hour long block at night. Yes, and I'm so there's like space goes, coastal coast was like, I think their first show the day will see a friend a verse is why the creators right before space goes coastal coast.

The kind of dip their toll in it where they would run old space ghost cartoons just normal, but they were Debian like inappropriate half tracks, maybe like one of the most bizarre funny things you ve ever seen like somebody with deliver, a line that was maybe mildly like Kurt, like nineteen sixty space goes cahoon funny, but then the crowd in this city, audience would distort laughing, is, is great stuff. Well, I just love them like almost forty seven years old and I have put myself out there Public has alerted researched man and there's enough funny to me, then Bob Tilton, fart, compilation, hey what's funny, is funny, That's right! Well, if you, I know more about faith healing, I don't know like goin to too maybe go check on yourself. Who knows who knows what will happen?

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