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Forty pcs offer details welcome to stuff, you should know a productions of Iheartradio to the podcast on Josh Clark and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and it's just the two of us. That's okay, because we are here. We are ready to do this thing and Timmy good stuff. You should not have tried waiting into political waters, yep no way around it, no way around it. What is that d dot c license plate, say taxation without representation that says it all. It really does I love it. Cuz, it's so subversive you know, that's right which on Dc Statehood and why the District of Columbia is not a state when they have seven four thousand roughly people living there about two hundred and fifty

thousand of which were born and raised there, and yet they don't get. The benefits of statehood notes will talk about for reasons that are Conover terrible relevant. I beg now so yeah few are aware, if you live in DC, you you, have some voting rights, but mostly you are very its limited or restricted. As far as like what you're allowed to do to participate in democracy, at least compared to other states. Right and all of this is because of a layer, layer, after layer after layer of rules in laws and regulations that basically prevent DC residents from voting or participating, like other other residents of other states,

and so this idea that like wait, this isn't right has been something that people have been talking about for a very long time, and yet we still can't reach this finish line to make DC the fifty first state which a lot of people including most of the people who live in DC, want they want to become the fifty first state. They want to be a state, they want to be treated like a state and they just can't quite get it to the finish line. But it's possible check that were were cloves closer than ever actually closer than ever, but still not to close it s me well both will see. I think we'll see you will see. So, let's talk about how DC was even established in Y. All this is is like this hodgepodge of weird laws and rules and where it came from, so we didn't have a capital as a country at first for a bit out. I guess from seventeen. Seventy the eighty nine, the Cardinal Congress met in different places they met, and, finally, of course, they

in Maryland son. They met in New York City, some they even met in New Jersey, some believe it or not, and in seventeen eighty seven and fill the Philadelphia convention, they wrote the constitution and said you know, that's really gonna beat up the federal gut. it and said we need some place, that's like clearly, hours that we will meet. That is permanent and it was written right there in the constitution, yeah article, one section: eight clause, seventeen, yes and exactly where they are going to put this new capital was a huge debate, like everybody just presumed it would be someplace like New York or felt it l fear where it was already. You know the pop. Nations were very established in large and where they ve already written constitution and where a lot of the early founding fathers were from

but the southern states in Hey man. We don't want the capital all the way up there in New York or in Pennsylvania. We needed somewhere that's a little closer to the middle of this country. This string of thirteen colonies along the eastern seaboard, so they came up with what's called the compromise of one thousand seven hundred and ninety was it. Okay will place this capital further south towards you guys, but You have to say that the colonial debts in public nations that were a crude during the revolutionary war we we get to those over to the to the federal government's responsibilities. We these northern colonies are swimming in debt and we just can't pay em offs of one of the first things we have to do in these damask. This country is laden with revolutionary war debt. right and with the residents act this do. You know we literally need land fiscal space, so Maryland Virginia pony up I give up each a little bit

this area, and I think they eventually not. I think I know they eventually back Alexandria Virginia in eighteen, forty six, but initially that was a part of the the the of land and sort of the very from the very beginning. They weren't a state. Because of something that happened, that kind of feed little more contemporary of the past, couple of recent years the Pennsylvania mutiny of seventeen. Eighty three, when these veterans, hundreds of veterans, stormed Congress and said you know This is what we want. They were angry. We want back bay, we want this in that, and the Pennsylvania Executive Council would not the state militia to protect Congress. And they had to move to New Jersey temporarily, and so they were like this not good. We need to be able to be in charge of our own defence, really

and so we need a federal land. That is not a state, so we can have our own Our own defence system are soldiers yet aid system. They decide that if it ever came down to, you know a federal verses estate, kind of situation, again that they couldn't reliant state, malicious or the capital couldn't be associated or affiliated with the state had to be a stateless capital that was its own territory. It made sense, it definitely did, and it was all because of that Pennsylvania, mutiny of one thousand seven hundred and eighty three, because those war veterans were owed back pay and they were mad about it. We're chasing Congress all over the country for it. So so that's why DC was stateless to begin with, like that, so that the federal government could have its own jurisdiction over this, over the capital that right and in eighteen hundred Congress. set up there in Washington Dc.

Cosette Alexander, is part of it. First Georgetown was and still is, and they were either down, so there was a lot going on there, but for the first several decades. DC was pretty rural It didn't really start growing a allied. We have some population breakdowns, but is really civil war here is when the population boom happen. There I think in eighteen hundred there was eight thousand people there, their eighteen sixty, in two thousand and eighteen a hundred and seventy five thousand. That's a big job yeah- and these are you know, people that work for the government in these are also free people now that came up from the south said approach hence there and so DC for many many years had image ready. Black population and right away. federal government was like, while that won't do either yes and so the

reason that they were not okay with it was because wealth at first, so people in DC have been agitating for what, home rule, which is just basically bureau allowed to self defence in your own government, you can elect your own officials. They can pass laws. Other people can't like out by other people in the country, can tell you that your laws, are in valid just basically the the right to sovereignty that any state holds right. So people have been interested in that in d c c The outset, but, as you said earlier, was really rural and small population for a while, so it really matters much cause it affected. So few people, but as the population It became more and more of a pressing issue until they finally said- and I think eighteen sixty seven- you know what your egg a year you're totally right like we should. We should let DC residents.

Boat and they passed an act. That said, everybody in DC can vote in it by saying everybody in Dc- or I should say every man in DC can vote. They were for the first time in american history, enfranchising a black men to vote like they're. There had never been a law that allow black men to vote in the history of the country. To that point in that was the first one that was ever passed in so starting in eighteen, sixty seven for a full three long years. Black men were allowed to vote in DC for things like federal, fairer, federal government positions like president and vice president right in I said that won't. Do that's what I was talking about day. Quickly realized that you have a large city. Urban a larger city now that is being controlled. You know there's a lot of political power with black people for the first time in this alarm them

So they said all right. We're going to replace this with early appointed commission, and they did that really quickly, and it was exactly for that reason. It was, you have to read, disenfranchise black people, yet there is a famous quote from a senator John Tyler Morgan, who was describing it years later- why why they repealed that law? In appointed that for that federal, commissioned a rule, the city he said and I'm sorry further everybody. After the negroes came into the district, it became necessary to deny the right of suffrage entirely to every human being to burn down the bar. to get rid of the rats, the rats being the need population and the boy and being the government of the District of Columbia So what did he say? Set it out loud? He did and rode down like it's in quotes there. So he did what he saying is that to keep black people,

voting in DC. They had to remove the voting rights of everybody and that's what they did in. What crazy is that, how it has generally remained for a hundred and fifty years now for basically the same reason. Unfortunately yeah it was from the eighteen hundreds until nineteen. Seventy three, like I was born in alive when one Kington Deasey was still a territory that a governor and a ruling council that the President appointed they did have a single delegate to Congress in, that they were not given the congressional vote. So there was a delegate the kid

do the things that delegates do they get even introduced articles yeah, but they can't even vote on their own articles. No, no, they can they can be on committees and all that, like almost everything that a house member can do a congressional congressional member to do, but just not so non voting delegate, and so in that way like, yes, you had somebody who could advocate for DC, but they did. The people of DC couldn't elect somebody who go go on their behalf in the House of Representatives and that's just the house nobody and never have had a single representative in the Senate. So the only weapon sensation that Deasey have, as has a single non voting member of the House of Representatives. That's it yeah, like constituents, without a real say at the end of the day, it gets even far far worse than that You know, because I'm sure people are like more come on you're. How much is that affect these people really well we're gonna go

exactly how it affects them, but one of the big ways if it is it stands out to me is that win home. Rule ACT was passed in nineteen, seventy three that said, okay, you guys can Jerome Mare and you can electron City Council bully for you, there's this thing that we have to tell you about, though it's not all you know great every single law they gets passed by you and your town is subject to Congress in our view, it doesn't actually become law until Congress says that your laws that you came up with impasse yourselves are okay, and that means that any Congress person any house member from anywhere in the country. Who is offended by one of your laws, who takes an issue One of your laws can strike that law down. Basically single handedly by attaching a rider to your annual budget, and so, if you

like that writer? Well, then you you can do without it, but you have to do without the money that makes it. about twenty five percent of your operating budget every year, that's the kind of like a draconian rule, that Congress holds overdue, see to this day. Yeah, and this is why any now, unfortunately, this does weight into politics and we'll get into that more later, but like it, can a purely for partisan politics. Why DC is not a state? Did this point In its, the ironies are pretty rich here in that agenda, Lee. Republicans. Do not want DC to become a state, but also the same party. decries government overreach certain states, states riots and so I say well yeah, but it's not a state, but it is certainly government over each when you have the load people of terror of a district voting for their own laws that their constituents want, but the federal government can override those

then you might say like what laws who cares wade what's the problem? How are these people actually really hard with that? While there is actually like a lot of laws that DC has passed, that Congress is either dragged its feet on or overturned that have actually harmed people do he had needle exchange programme to try to slow the spread of tv and it was overturned by Congress in ninety ninety eight and was not allowed to happen again until two thousand seven, and it turns out that and that was finally allowed to start up again the HIV infection rates in the city and by the way DC had one of the highest rates of HIV. After its needle exchange programme was, was banned by Congress. Yum, its HIV rates dropped by seventy percent. An estimated two hundred and twenty people were prevented from being infected with HIV in just two years. After the needle programme was allowed to start up- in two thousand seven there's also ones on abortion access covered. Nineteen

at the short end of the stick as far as funds go, there is another one where they tried to repeal the sodomy law which outlawed sex between men back and nineteen eighty one and Congress didn't let it actually go through until nineteen. Ninety three, while there's just been a lot of stuff where basic if you have somebody in Congress who doesn't like the idea of DC the people of DC Having legalised marijuana or being able use taxpayers money for abortions, like DC, doesn't get to do that because a writer gets attached to their budget and they have to have to take it and that cover thing you're talking about they ever USA got one point to five billion dollars in aid, but com cut in half for DC. Even though they had were forced to other like what well we're bigger than Vermont, unlike one one other state to write Wyoming her. Yet

and they're, almost the same size as Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota Delaware Population, yeah and they were, I think, had more confirm covert cases at the time the nineteen other states, yet they got if the aid judges, because, yes, with its my numbing in crazy and if you like, just put yourself in the position of somebody who's a like interested in the political process and lives in D c, and the idea that you're city can pass a law huge look with you support? I think they're marijuana legalization law passed with sixty five percent support of voters and some from the Arizona, could come along and be like nope you not do and that that laws doesn't go through a matter that is a rider to your, but your annual budget, how our outrage! dancing with that be Vienna. How how frustrating liberty, at the very least so yes, it it actually is harmful to the to the domain,

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to be able to vote for president vote at all. That's right so to fifty sixty sixty This is how long the residents DC have been able to vote. Yeah me one. said quite awhile did mean, on the like the beginning, a timescale just sort of gotcha. Oh, I didn't know if you're being facetious or not- I don't know- I mean for many decades now, but not yet. It's a guest that context? It's it's an outrage for sure, and so that too that the twenty third amendment that's the whole purpose of the twenty third amendment, as the basically say yes, DC can now vote in presidential elections and they can contribute electors but they can never have more electors than the number of electors that the least populist state in the United States has the dead matter. How many people DC kids well too long would probably couldn't handle it button right. It could swell to the size of a two million, a population doesn't matter. You get your three electors right and it's always going

three at the minimum, because you're a number of electors are based on their representation. You have in the in the house in the Senate, so you always every state has to senators, and every state has at least one Congress, but and indecent, probably would always still have one congressperson anyway. It's how many Alaska in Vermont in Delaware like these are the did it's just based on population, so they will probably always have three electors. and so those electors ever since the believe. The nineteen sixty four election, the first time DC ever contributed electors, the electoral college, those those electors almost invariably go a hundred per cent toward the democratic candidate right like this is one of the first states that

it's called, unlike those electoral maps during every presidential election right, and they go towards the Democrat. So if you made DC estate, that's not gonna, be a huge change like nothing's going to change this. Gonna have their three electoral votes in there, probably going to go towards the democratic candidate for President Their only gonna have one Congress person and that on Congress, person will probably be a Democrat, but it's kind of a drop in the bucket. When you talk about four hundred and thirty or sixty. I can't remember, however, many are in the house right now, but when you talk about Send it now we get to the problem the partisan political problem with why DC as Non State because DC it and has been for a very long time. Majority black as far as the population goes into,

far as their voting based goes traditionally, black voters lean Democrat. That's as far as voting history goes, that's typically the case for the last several decades it lease, and if you have to do senators that just did not exist before the Senate would go from one hundred senators to one hundred and two senators and those two senators were almost guaranteed to be democratic senators. Well, imagine what two extra Democrat senators would do right now, if you had two more democrats- so do than what we know now any number right now now we reach exactly now. We reached the reason why d C is not being allowed to be a state wise, a partisan political matter right and here is where you're gonna get into. To me, a very disingenuous arguments for Should that are just

It be so much easier if they just talked about what the reality was instead of disingenuous arguments, it everybody knows, is the real reason. It's just that suffer hate about politics in this country is no talking about with what the real situation is. some people trying out, but they are so there We'd have to avenues that have been bandied about over the years is basically the to two main pass VOR make in Dc Estate and one is what What we need to do is that the idea is that what we need to do a shrink. What is key all the the federal district only the buildings that are your federal control, like the White House in the capital building in You no kind of everything, their dc, all the other government buildings, basically and just make it that

but no one lives there, except for me, you know, lives in these. Buildings are office buildings, except for the White House, where the president and first family live, and maybe some of the staff so wanted disingenuous arguments that comes up is well We cannot have a situation where there's only three or four people like what's living in these places that this kind of representation right, let us three electoral loads yet is complete We disingenuous sure, in especially effect that president missing in income, running for election again than that incumbent. President we'd have three electoral votes to cast for themself right so right, so on paper you're like oh yeah, I can see that being a problem. Let's just give up because of the twenty three amendment and that cork that'd attributed right. but there are a lot of like workarounds too that people are like. No, that's that's a ridiculous argument. Right, like the present and, in fact, usually does vote.

Can t from their own home state. That's that's one and then I have no electoral votes were cast No votes are actually cast in the District of Columbia. Then you there's no electors to be given right. So you'd have those three electors that just never didn't go to anybody. That's one that Duration write. Another one is to just take those three electors and give him to whoever wins. The popular vote, regardless near and then a lot of people like, though you just repeal the twenty third amendment. If you make DC a state like it's a one to punch like they, that's just how it has to be that right and we'll talk more about some some, disingenuous arguments and in deconstruct him as we go, but that's the one that seems to be bandied about most most commonly right yeah- and you know we talk a little bit about why it matters to begin with. we mention the very beginning, their license plate taxation without representation, and you know that the little bit of a snide license plate, but it

very true: they pay federal income tax and, like really, HI federal income tax, so much so that they contribute more than they were from the federal government. One thing I saw Chuck is like I was like what would make in d dot c, like even handled being a state. You know how much does it get from the federal government and apparent it is not in any way reform that the state that rule that area that receives the most federal funding. I guess they honour goes to Mississippi thirty. Five percent of Mississippi State and local budget is made up of federal, HANS thirty, four percent for Louisiana New Mexico, South Dakota. Twenty seven percent disease is twenty five percent, so just a good order of all of the money they d C users to operate comes from the federal but the rest is from local taxes and

see apparently has a little by little flower and bonnet in that it typically has a balanced budget every year. To really so, we can do just fine without being a state. It would be like gap. We should still get federal funding because other states gifts of funding to. But even if you kept it at the federal funding they get now, they would be doing just fine. as far as federal law is concerned, they are treated as a state, yet there and on a state with representation like estate. We already talked about congressional representation. They They can't vote on bills its it's really where that you can introduce a bill and write them. oh, but now vote in that bill. Yeah, because, Additional amendments are typically what's thrown around about making DC estate or not, or has been up until recently It's kind of ironic that DC would

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podcast network available on the Iheart radio, app apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast or it so we ve me no made our position clear that most of the arguments against statehood are and these are our arguments- I mean is it any honest person will tell you that it is strictly partisan political issue, its cause. They dont want to more democratic senators in there that they. And you know that's their right to to fight against that. I guess in the end they do, but its disingenuous and its anti social sentiment like there. How

somebody or some group of people are expected devote has like nothing do with whether they should have the right to vote or not. You just keep people from because you don't like the way their going about. That is an anti social act, Anti democratic yeah! It's both, and you did that's exactly what's going on right now that is in that it. They boil it out, I mean demanded us just like you, do gerrymandering episode or reverse oppression episode. It's still the case, that's just how it is right. Now it's one of those political fictions that is anything but That's right that one of the argument is that its unconstitutional to begin with that's waste, that up until recently, most of the attempts to make DC estate of tried to come via constitutional. Months in The thing, though, like there's nothing specifically prohibiting

DC from becoming a state in the constitution. No, you mention that, like some, some people are like what shrink DC the capital down to just the federal buildings, basically as Ed who helped us out with this one puts it like, tourists DC and that everything else commercial and residential DC that would become the state and then that federal district would become the capital and people like donor. You can't do that. There's like a size requirement in the in the constitution can change something like that, and in people are saying all. Actually here is a site. Requirements of maximum, not a minimum. It doesn't say how small it can be. He says how big it can be, a can't be more than ten miles square yeah. I think ten square miles. Yes, since, where mobile, so it yes, you totally could trinket soap to shut down that argument. one more thing chuck about that. One of the reasons why they have abandoned a constitutional amendment

Making DC estate is twofold: one, that's a huge hurdle to to jump over. I think after two thirds of the state to ratify year consumer. First of all, you have to get it through both houses of Congress, which is an impossibility to begin with, and then you have to two thirds of the state, many of which are controlled by republican legislatures to ratify that amendment to make DC estate sources to huge via an obstacle to surmount, but also its really disingenuous to require a constitutional amendment to make DC estate, because since the constitution itself was ratified in seventeen, eighty eight, not us single state that was admitted into the union. From that time had had was was admitted through. A constitutional amendment there are no constitutional amendments that have admitted states they ve all come in through, can Gary Congressional decree instead, it right in well

sorry about then just a second more detail but another one of the path that has been bandied about a little bit, is my past statehood, but paths to making it not a state and ensuring it never become stayed the same Rwanda we just make it work Virginia Maryland, like it used to be given back to them and no, The Vienna, who doesn't want that DC Virginia in Maryland. None of them one at Maryland, doesn't want to assume those seven hundred thousand people genuine doesn't want at DC, doesn't want to be a part of either one of those like the only people that want that are are frankly republican. You don't want it to become state, yes, because it might add a few more electoral votes to Maryland or Virginia, but it would not at a single extra senator. You can't have more than two senators, no matter what your populations again, the crux of the matter

Another one is that the idea that the city can't take care that federal law property- and I don't think anybody who is a pro statehood advocate- says: oh yeah, the other can that's not true, but they say what we wouldn't be taken care of most of that property. It would be shrunk down to be the capital, so it still be the federal government's jurisdiction. Well, there's other federal billings outside of this little tourist area. How would you can do about those in DC says? Do you know how many states in cities have federal buildings in them that the state in the city takes care of, in conjunction with the your government and with funding from the federal government doubt in autumn totally not a problem. I think this ingenuity that word. It is now Buddy is one of my least favorite things witness it, it is consistent. This is just dishonest. It's just a bunch of garbage Acting a certain lake

just call it what it is so frustrating it's almost almost disingenuous. So we you mentioned earlier that no other state needed a congressional. Sorry, a constitutional amendment to become a state, The Tennessee model is sort of where Deasey is try to go more recently, the tent He plan in seventeen. Ninety six, Tennessee wasn't a state yet, and they said you know what we're tired of waiting around for Congress to do anything about it. So we're going to hold our own referendum, we're going to vote to become a state and we passed it and then we're going to riot in approve around state constitution and how we're going to administer. That and kind of this is how we would do things, and they did that. and then Congress disorders, like everyone, sort of sit on sitting there, swilling thither staring at Congress like we're all ready to go, just unlocked the door and we can but coming eight and it worked and it also worked in Michigan, Iowa, California, Oregon Kansas in Alaska,

DC recently think about five years ago said: maybe less try! This Tennessee plan forget constitutional amendments. Let us have a referendum and it ass by eighty five percent, and they said great was trafficking solution and they did and it was approved and said the mayor's gonna become the governor city. Council become the legislature, and here we go Congress. Let's get this done, we're ready to roll yeah. An eye is so. This was in two thousand sixteen that that referendum, and they started to adopt the Tennessee plan in what sucks Chuck is. That means that they were distracted, that idea that they had to become a state through constitutional amendment, four decades, yeah like they. If they taken up this Tennessee plan decades ago, who knows where they would be now they might be a state. By now to solve. It. Just is really said, did to think like that that that that boondoggle work that they needed, for example, a hundred plus you her yet basically, so that's why I'm

I don't know we might actually see it's possible. We could see DC estate because this referendum. In that the plan that they fall, where they basically made themselves an instant state like to stay Congress kind of thing, eighty came in just the last five years, so it for the first time ever in the history of the District of Columbia, a bill past that says this is a state. Please go ahead in and pass this bill Senate. It passed the house everything else has been like were the House of Representatives and we think DC should be estate. Not it's just like us, a resolution in support of DC being estate. It's not an actual law this is an actual law that pass. The House of Representatives, of course, had died in the Senate because it was well miss the colonel was majority leader, and he didn't even let it come up for a vote. I came

leave it even made it onto his desk before catching fire, but but the fact is, did pass the house at least once, and that is brand new. That is definitely new year in twenty two, it's amazing, It's amazing, that we have a situation in our honour, modern day government where one person can say now, we're not going about honest to party system does not work, it is broken. It doesnt work yeah. It was reintroduce, and twenty twenty one just this year passed again before it sadly, in this case, it is probably not going to happen because Democrats, Kennedy on anything yes within their own viable irony of the whole thing in yes, it really is, You mentioned two people earlier, probably, be the same two people, that's what I did arm happening you're. The only other question mark is Mark Kelly, no Angus, king from Maine.

Really? He may be retired now. But yes, it is. But I saw would come down to Christian Cinema and Joe Mansion and dumb, but both have not supported previously DC statehood stuff before other people who have not actually didn't actually cosponsor, that bill in the Senate have supported other stuff. They will be expected to vote yes, so it could come down to two people again, both of whom damp Democrats that would keep DC from becoming estate it's pretty interesting stuff. What would have her different? is bandied about over the years we did become a state. that New Colombia was what they were. Gonna call it for a long time, but you know, in more recent years, Christopher Columbus Become favourable in in the eyes history, so there's they may be

Nuclear power is not the right, the right name. After all. No- and I didn't know this, but they they are- that they plan as part that referendum draft constitution that was passed there would change the name they would keep it as Washington DC, but DC would stand for Douglas Commonwealth after Frederick Douglass, the abolitionist former sleigh like it and they need DC. You know, I think, people they go to tourists DC, which has a lot of fun. We both than that that thing a lot of times. It is that by DC as a rich city with rich history in another self righteous history of music and culture and black culture, and food and like there's that there's a lot two DC besides the mall area, oh yeah, and every time I go there I tried it how different areas and do different things in its awesome. We have it

great great time and when do you live shows in DC turn my favorite places when you go to a what down the one again and again Lincoln logs the pastry where you come from What do you mean where they come from? What's it what's the bakery? The does you know, I don't know think it seemed to her. I only knew street. I dont know always sitting there backstage Delicious and we always like ten, each of them, their Blair links with cake rose but like the bakery version of this was cake Romania. So before we go Chuck, I feel it We have to talk about how some recent events, like really kind of, have brought the idea of DC not being a state to the four, both of which occurred in twenty twenty actually, oh, like the storming of the capital. That's that's one of em for sure, yeah, and I think that gonna harking back to the mutiny of seventeen. Eighty three in that.

there are some people who think it could, it would have gone down a lot differently. If we had been able if the government had been able to call on the state National Guard like super quickly, yeah, because the now no guard the Dc National. it is not under control DC, just like any other states, national Guard would be under the states control, which is why that that's? What Congress wanted to be like they wanted these seas. National guard be under control. The federal government, because it that that mutiny of seventeen, eighty three but the exact, opposite thing happened on January six, because DC and the capital wanted the Dc National Guy indefinitely, would have activated em and brought him out hours before, but the federal government at the time kept them from doing that because they were under federal Control, so that was one that really just kind of pointed out like oh wow, this is harmful. This is not good The other way there was pointed out was kind of the opposite of that. Where, during the vote

lives matter. Protests in the summer of twenty twenty after the murder of George Floyd in people took to the streets in DC. They were, they were basically beaten out of the streets harassed out of streets used to gas on by the Dc National Guard that was deployed by the federal government, whereas you can pretty much guests. If Miriam Bouser had been the governor of the state of DC rather than just the mare and had the power over the National Guard, those National guard troops would not have been deployed against those protestors so both of those events Jason within months of one another so that the Serbs protests were in twenty twenty. The insurrection was in the beginning of twenty twenty one yeah that was this year, its nuts. James really about twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one seems longer, as he has been a long decades, Both of those both of those events have pointed out like because of that

mutiny of seventeen. Eighty three, those things were able a half in the way that they did really really interesting. Yet is so now you guys know DC statehood. Make up your mind about it, but then the facts the vets, and since I see them the facts at the time. Of course, everybody for listener mail, I'm gonna call this maybe shout out we do want to shut out with this is can especially because this is a future shout out. Ok, had been a long time listeners in January, twenty twenty, I had a baby Hoosier youngest listener. While I was pregnant, I worked an assistant manager, local horse sporting facility near the Georgia. Every morning when I fed the horses I put, my phone in my phone belt and turned on stuff, you should know a baby's can hear nearby sounds in the womb, so Clara has been lost. As long as she has been able to hear now

Now we listen to stuff, you should know during our afternoon walk together. Then episode finishes before it's over Clara will sign and ask for more than a toddler sign. Language is the, I know it's adorable, I didn't realize the thing them. When are you? My best friends taught her kids and I was like our critical air. We did basic stuff we can get to involve, but there was a little better than early on and kids are so neatly face you're, so need not like us. We were just dummies yeah you're. Here his oatmeal in a television we play with a stick in a wheel. Back the mail. I would love for her to have a shout out on episode. So one day we can go back and listened to her episode, so Clara. Your episode is uneasy statehood. Maybe things would be different, then yeah, maybe something that would be some but this is from Paris takes a door and she deserves thanks

We do. We really help the long hours of shut down home, of an infant and for helping making learning new things fund. That is kerosene, tax, adore great name. I saw something care is definitely a great name. You sound like the last hour fighter, Somethin and hello. Little corollary of you. Listening and by the time you twenty were. not only show, no, maybe not by then recently retired near I'll, be seventy yeah yeah. I guess that's right yet so yeah Thank you very much for writing in Paris and Karla best wishes to you any fantastic life. If you want again touch this like kerosene Karla did you can send an email to stuff podcast it I heard radio dotcom stuff you should now is a production. As I heard, radio from our path casts my heart radio visit that I heard radioactive apple had passed, wherever you listen to your favorite shows,

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